Russia's War Against Ukraine

[GDS_Starfury]

can we all skip to the bunker part at the end.  :bd:

[Pete Dero]

^The resemblance is striking.

Volkssturm is being recruited as we speak.

[SirAndrewD]

^The resemblance is striking.

Volkssturm is being recruited as we speak.

No.  The Volkssturm was well motivated in comparison.

[Pete Dero]

can we all skip to the bunker part at the end.  :bd:

Soon in a theater near you : Downfall 2

[Gusington]

^A reality-based series, in a different language. Same themes.

[GDS_Starfury]

there are tons of downfalls memes already, like a new one every week.

[Dammit Carl!]

The line from Killing Joke's song "Eighties," "Let's kamikaze 'till we get there," seems painfully at play with the Russians now.

[GDS_Starfury]

[Gusington]

Any reference to Killing Joke is a good and welcome one.

[SirAndrewD]

ISW reports leaked Russian documents that discuss the true scale of the mobilization.

They call for an eventual goal of 1.2 Million men mobilized, with a two week training regimen to get them ready to be deployed to combat.

This is partly confirmed by the reports coming out of Russia of young men and students being called up despite not having completed their military service, and by public statements being "exempt" because of their student status. 

Gen. Mark Hertling's analysis is that it'd be virtually impossible for Russia to mobilize even the 300,000 that they're officially asking for due to the huge institutional problems with Russia's training programs. 

His analysis connected to something mentioned earlier in this thread, Russia simply has no true institutional NCO corps. 

The NCO's that are tasked with training recruits are notorious for being bully's who have hazed recruits, sometimes fatally as institutional rules.   Most of them are lifers that enlisted for long service in the Russian army because they were recruited from the lowest strata of Russian society, many choosing service over prison.  They are given enormous power over the recruits, and lord it over them like abusive prison guards more than actual teachers and trainers. 

Hertling spent a lot of time studying the Russian training institutions, bringing up that even Elite units weren't exempt from this treatment as a right of passage in the VDV was to have their jump wings pounded directly into the chests of trainees by their NCO's. 

You can only imagine what kind of army will result from these methods, with no experienced Jr. Officers or NCO's to command them once they're sent to combat.

I think Ukrainian tactics to use PR to coerce surrender and then to send POW's to neutral countries will be even more effective if ISW and Hertling's analysis is correct.

[Gusington]

Two weeks of training to get sent to combat??

[SirAndrewD]

Two weeks of training to get sent to combat??

Two weeks. 

The Russian MoD even confirmed that in an announcement. 

That's not really enough even if they were doing what they claimed and activating reservists. 

It's comically bad if they're sending in the untrained or men so old they did their service decades ago. 

Even worse, there are reports of people with health exemptions being called up, like diabetics and the chronically ill.  People that need specialized care and won't be able to get it being trained and sent into battle. 

Russia seems to be going with the old adage, bury the enemy in bodies.

[GDS_Starfury]

Hertling has become one of the standout analysists of this war.

[GDS_Starfury]

bad day for soviet aviation.
1 Su-25
2 Su-30
1 Su-34
all happily shot down today with visual confirmation on a 30 and 34 so far.

heres the su-30 https://twitter.com/i/status/1573787617765752833

heres the su-34 https://twitter.com/i/status/1573682176037724164

[JasonPratt]

Dang, even Hitler got three months' training!  >:D

I've been a little surprised that memes featuring Russia as WH40K's Imperial Guards (the most obvious geek comparison imaginable) haven't started showing up yet. If this doesn't do it, nothing will?

(Maybe the problem is that fans like the Guards, who are portrayed as overachieving underdogs in a nightmare universe.)