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Started by JasonPratt, September 17, 2018, 05:04:17 PM

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JasonPratt

#240
The projected budget would look something like this:

Current: 39
Three Legions: -30 = 9
Upkeep next Turn: -2 per Legion x 4 Legions = 1
Regular Republic Income: +30 = 31
Allied Enthusiasm Event resolves: +25 = 56 Talents, up from 39.

Those two Allied Enthusiasm Events y'all have rolled randomly, have been absolute windfalls!

High unrest can make legions harder to raise, including manpower shortages, which can also trigger as a random event in itself.
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JasonPratt

Ah, wait, I forgot! -- there is a third Office now! It unlocked with the defeat of Tarquinus! (Not necessarily the defeat of the 1st Latin War, but that happened, too.)

The Republic must have... A PONTIFEX MAXIMUS!!

This is the next (and for this Turn last) Mandatory business. But we could't do it until the Consuls were settled anyway. But it has to be settled before voting to raise more Legions.

AzTank, of course, must make the proposal to nominate a particular senator as PontMax. Any senator present in Rome (not the two in Captivity, for example) can be proposed, including senators who already have another Major or minor office. So one of the Consuls can be PontMax.

The PontMax gets a random income bonus during the Revenue Phase; and a +5 to his Influence (regardless of Era). Once elected, he serves for life, or unless he is stripped of his title by a Senate vote (the only vote that needs more than 2/3 majority) or by a prosecution for corruption. He can also lose office from too many Evil Omens randomly rolling in a Turn. He's also the only Officer who will lose the influence he gained from his office if he loses his title (so -5 if he stops being PontMax).

The PontMax can, at any time during any Senate Phase, appoint one senator to the priesthood, which is a minor office, also for life. The PontMax cannot appoint himself a priest, but he can be a previously appointed priest, and unlike the PontMax office itself a priest is always a priest. There is no limit to the number of senators who can be priests; only a limit to the number able to be appointed per turn ( = 1).

Priests and the PontMax get extra votes on any War proposal, for or against. Priests don't have to vote in a block with each other or with the PontMax. Priests get +1 extra vote. The PontMax senator doubles his personal votes (oratory, knights including any activist triggers, and lesser priesthood, but not bribes).

The PontMax, once elected, also immediately unlocks the ability to veto a Proposal. Vetos can be used on most Proposals, with some restrictions that I'd mention when relevant. A veto can be applied any time before the vetoing Player has announced his votes, and kills the Proposal, which cannot be re-Proposed with the same details again on the same Turn. The PontMax can use his veto power only once per Turn (and not to veto a Proposal to strip him of his title. ;) )

The PontMax is necessarily vulnerable to Evil Omen events. He himself is required to pay the financial penalty if possible; and his Faction is required to pay any leftover balance if possible plus a separate 10 Talent fine. If the Faction cannot pay, the Republic Treasury pays the balance of the original Omen penalty (not the Faction penalty). A PontMax unable to pay the penalty loses his office (or immediately upon a second Omen on the same Turn) and picks up a Major corruption marker for possible prosecution during the Senate phase. A Faction unable to finish paying the Omen cost plus the fine, generates a special Major marker for its Faction Leader for possible prosecution.
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ArizonaTank

Johannes "Honus" Wagner
"The Flying Dutchman"
Shortstop: Pittsburgh Pirates 1900-1917
Rated as the 2nd most valuable player of all time by Bill James.

malize

Quote from: ArizonaTank on October 09, 2018, 09:00:32 PM
I will nominate Fabius for PontMax

While Fabius is a fine example of a Roman, and no disrespect is intend himself or his family -- it does seem that having just removed a monarch and successfully fought his attempt to retake our fair city at the cost of three legions; we would not, as a body, willingly choose to recombine the religious duties of the monarch (potifex max) with the executive duties of the monarch (consul)


JasonPratt

#244
Hm, this vote could get seriously flakey!

AzTank has made the nomination, but he can also still withdraw it before he starts calling the votes. I think. I'll have to check; I seem to recall that once a proposal is made, it must either be vetoed or voted on. But a nomination isn't necessarily a Proposal: a proposal implicitly calls for a vote, even if discussion may continue until the Presiding Magistrate begins formally calling Factions to vote.

Strictly speaking there are no such things as "nominations" in the rules, but I'm umping that anyone can make nominations as a sort of informal recommendation for discussion. (We've had nominations before, from people other than the PM.) Once the PM (currently Fabius himself) PROPOSES a senator, however, there will have to be a vote, even if the PM allows some time for discussion beforehand.

Keep in mind that if the Proposal is made, and it goes to a vote, and every Faction (other than the PM's) votes against the PM, he must either step down as PM or lose 1 Influence.
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Erax

The Progressives' Plautius, with a paltry 3 Ora+Inf, poses the least threat of persuading away other factions' Senators should he gain a +5 bonus - and it forces me to keep 10 talents in reserve to deal with ill omens.

JasonPratt

Man, I miss the popcorn smiley...  :dreamer:

This is where the game first starts seriously injecting political friction -- with lots more to come! Soooo many subtle angles to try to cipher out.

Meanwhile, while we're waiting for further discussion and/or for AzTank to declare the official proposal and call for a vote:

Would the Players like to do a Google Hangout or a Facebook thread for discussion purposes, so that notifications will show up more quickly? (The official game choices would still need to be posted to this thread.)
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Erax

Sure, whichever one you decide is fine by me.

Ethel the Frog

Hmmm... Have we voted on PontMax?  Has the vote been called? 

Perhaps we should set a google hangout with all of us on it, so that we can talk more easily? 

JasonPratt

AzTank has not called the vote yet (or made a Proposal, strictly speaking -- once he makes a Proposal, he can't back out of it, there has to be a vote).

Meanwhile, I see two votes for a Google hangout for quicker chatting.  O:-)
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PanzOrc Corpz Generals -- Fantasy Wars narrative AAR, half a combined campaign.
Khazâd du-bekâr! -- narrative dwarf AAR for LotR BfME2 RotWK campaign.
RobO Q Campaign Generator -- archived classic CMBB/CMAK tool!

ArizonaTank

Johannes "Honus" Wagner
"The Flying Dutchman"
Shortstop: Pittsburgh Pirates 1900-1917
Rated as the 2nd most valuable player of all time by Bill James.

JasonPratt

Okay, you've got to call the voting order. You don't have to delineate the order entirely at first, but you do have to say which Faction is going to vote first, and then call the next Faction once the vote has caught up.

It seems more convenient to delineate the voting order entirely at first, though, for asynch.

You could also declare, since it's your choice, that any Faction can announce their senators' votes in any order they care to.
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PanzOrc Corpz Generals -- Fantasy Wars narrative AAR, half a combined campaign.
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ArizonaTank

OK

Order is:

Conservatives
Progressives
Populists
Aristocrats
Plutocrats
Militarists

The Conservatives vote for good Fabius for Pontmax

The Conservatives will fondly remember friends who vote with them...:)
Johannes "Honus" Wagner
"The Flying Dutchman"
Shortstop: Pittsburgh Pirates 1900-1917
Rated as the 2nd most valuable player of all time by Bill James.

Erax

I'm sorry but this is too much power, too soon, for one single family. The Progressives vote against Fabius; with our special ability that's 5 votes.

JasonPratt

ICEBREAKER THESIS CHRONOLOGY! -- Victor Suvorov's Stalin Grand Strategy theory, in lots and lots of chronological order...
Dawn of Armageddon -- narrative AAR for Dawn of War: Soulstorm: Ultimate Apocalypse
Survive Harder! -- Two season narrative AAR, an Amazon Blood Bowl career.
PanzOrc Corpz Generals -- Fantasy Wars narrative AAR, half a combined campaign.
Khazâd du-bekâr! -- narrative dwarf AAR for LotR BfME2 RotWK campaign.
RobO Q Campaign Generator -- archived classic CMBB/CMAK tool!