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Huw the Poo

Quote from: sandman2575 on October 13, 2015, 02:18:10 PM
I don't really have a dog in this race, not having backed the SC kickstarter. But it sure does seem like CIG has awfully little to show for 4 years and $90m of game development...

Oh yeah, I agree with that.  What they apparently have to show for so much time and money is disgraceful.  If I was a backer I'd be hugely pissed off at this point.

Rayfer

Quote from: Huw the Poo on October 13, 2015, 02:43:13 PM
Quote from: sandman2575 on October 13, 2015, 02:18:10 PM
I don't really have a dog in this race, not having backed the SC kickstarter. But it sure does seem like CIG has awfully little to show for 4 years and $90m of game development...

Oh yeah, I agree with that.  What they apparently have to show for so much time and money is disgraceful.  If I was a backer I'd be hugely pissed off at this point.

Just more reasons in support of my personal decision not to back any games on Kickstarter. I'm not saying anyone else is wrong to do so....it's just that I don't/won't.

Father Ted

I just think it's brilliant, brilliant money-making concept.  A virtual videogame on which customers can project their ideals is always going to be better than one which exists.  People are buying this because someone is saying "We need your money to deliver your ideal game", and people are falling for it.  People will keep coughing up until he releases something tangible, and then they'll realise, "Err, it's a videogame, like all the other videogames.  Shit".  End of money-spinner.  Therefore the best way to carry on making money is to carry on stringing people along.

Swatter

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If even only parts of the article are true, that's damning.

I have not followed SC closely and I never realized they were attempting to do so much. I code games in my spare time, so I have some idea of what's involved. What they are attempting to do is insanely ambitious and it sounds like much of the developers time is dedicated to trade shows and the generation of hype. That is a recipe for disaster. The fact they are selling in-game stuff for hundreds or thousands of dollars just smacks of unreality. It sounds like they are not even close to a "game", let alone a solid alpha. If its true that they have spent most of the raised money, then this project is dead. It may take another year for it to die, but the writing is on the wall. Even if some investors want to pick up the pieces, they won't find much to work with, just bits and pieces.

The people who gave a small amount of money for this dream, they have my sympathy. The people who spent hundreds or thousands on the game- these people honestly get what they deserve for giving their money away. Ok, they don't deserve it, but I don't feel any sympathy.

Unless the entire story is a fabrication, this chicken is cooked. I read Derek Smart's stuff (Smart is a real piece of work himself) and he is correct, the size of the staff they have will eat up large amounts of money per month. The end is nearing fast if they have spent even close to what some people claimed.

Edit- let me add one more thing: As I was reading all of the associated stuff linked in this thread about SC, all the high promises and jargon associated with the game- its reminds me of a cult held together by a single unstable personality. Once the cracks start to show, the entire thing will come down quickly.


jamus34

Sounds like CR and Peter Molyneaux need to come together and have a lovechild named Ego.
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Arctic Blast

Yeah, this really isn't looking good. I don't think it will turn in to vaporware, but I do think it will be stripped down from what has been promised. Chris Roberts hasn't released a game in at least a decade, and the only time he ever headed up a dev studio that studio went under while not managing to bring much of anything to fruition. He seems like one of those guys who needs someone keeping him focused and his goals within reason. Trying to develop an MMO space game with a persistent universe and with an MMOFPS integrated with it as well doesn't strike me as anything close to 'within reason'.

jamus34

Quote from: Arctic Blast on October 13, 2015, 10:26:14 PM
Yeah, this really isn't looking good. I don't think it will turn in to vaporware, but I do think it will be stripped down from what has been promised. Chris Roberts hasn't released a game in at least a decade, and the only time he ever headed up a dev studio that studio went under while not managing to bring much of anything to fruition. He seems like one of those guys who needs someone keeping him focused and his goals within reason. Trying to develop an MMO space game with a persistent universe and with an MMOFPS integrated with it as well doesn't strike me as anything close to 'within reason'.

There's something to this I think. I don't know if CR got bad advice or if the years since his glory days at Origin have artificially inflated his ego but this reminds me a lot of John Romero and ion Storm.
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MengJiao

Quote from: Father Ted on October 13, 2015, 04:54:15 PM
I just think it's brilliant, brilliant money-making concept.  A virtual videogame on which customers can project their ideals is always going to be better than one which exists.  People are buying this because someone is saying "We need your money to deliver your ideal game", and people are falling for it.  People will keep coughing up until he releases something tangible, and then they'll realise, "Err, it's a videogame, like all the other videogames.  Shit".  End of money-spinner.  Therefore the best way to carry on making money is to carry on stringing people along.

   I kinda think part of the problem is the gigantic persistant universe problem.  It kinda contradicts the whole idea of a game as something
you just play as you want to, rather than buying into it as a hobby.  If I ever have a few hundred million bucks to waste, I'll try something different.

smithcorp

I think the biggest problem is lack of discipline. Exhibit this: http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showthread.php?74871-Star-Citizen-Chris-Roberts-lots-of-spaceship-porn-lots-of-promises&p=3861755&viewfull=1#post3861755

Some project manager okayed one or more persons to work on this. "Let's apply resources to fleshing out a fictional sportsball game instead of contributing to getting the actual core game out the door."

Unless the game evolves fully into just buying pictures of spaceships, then this thing is spiralling out of control.

MengJiao

Quote from: MengJiao on October 14, 2015, 08:59:10 AM
Quote from: Father Ted on October 13, 2015, 04:54:15 PM
I just think it's brilliant, brilliant money-making concept.  A virtual videogame on which customers can project their ideals is always going to be better than one which exists.  People are buying this because someone is saying "We need your money to deliver your ideal game", and people are falling for it.  People will keep coughing up until he releases something tangible, and then they'll realise, "Err, it's a videogame, like all the other videogames.  Shit".  End of money-spinner.  Therefore the best way to carry on making money is to carry on stringing people along.

   I kinda think part of the problem is the gigantic persistant universe problem.  It kinda contradicts the whole idea of a game as something
you just play as you want to, rather than buying into it as a hobby.  If I ever have a few hundred million bucks to waste, I'll try something different.

RPS's sort of giant exposeez:

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/10/27/star-citizen-101-what-is-it-and-why-is-it-controversial/#more-324237

sandman2575

306 RPS reader comments...  Star Citizen really touches a nerve, doesn't it?   :tickedoff:

Huw the Poo

Wow.  Why do they treat Chris Roberts that way after the appalling treatment Peter Molyneux got only a few months ago?

undercovergeek

Quote from: Huw the Poo on October 28, 2015, 03:42:30 PM
Wow.  Why do they treat Chris Roberts that way after the appalling treatment Peter Molyneux got only a few months ago?

he has a penis and must be destroyed

if it was christine roberts theyd be rolling on the floor waiting for their tummy to be tickled

Huw the Poo

I agree with your sentiment, but my point this time was that Roberts was treated quite lightly compared to the way they treated Molyneux.  Both men have a similar track record...in fact Molyneux has arguably the better history.  Either they've quietly learned their lesson or they're hypocritical fucks.  My money's on the latter.

Toonces

Quote from: undercovergeek on October 28, 2015, 05:34:30 PM
he has a penis and must be destroyed

if it was christine roberts theyd be rolling on the floor waiting for their tummy to be tickled

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