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Title: My Challenger II is almost complete - but what should I do now?
Post by: JudgeDredd on July 13, 2014, 08:14:22 AM
Hi all

My Challenger is almost complete...a few touches (sort the main gun out which I screwed up when my semi gloss seemed to turn into 200% gloss!). I'm debating the skirts.

Now - I was "toying" with the idea of changing the colour...what do people think? Clearly it's way too light (not enough yellow?). I wasn't (am not?) really into mixing colours - so always tended to go with as near as I could get out the pot. I don't particularly mind the colour as is.

The reason I was toying with changing the colour is because I just bought myself a spray gun and compressor and have stocked up on Tamiya acrylics. So I thought I could give it a prime, pre-shading, base coats, clear cover, markings, clear cover and then weather.

Obviously I'm new to ALL of that stuff (I've done some simple weathering with Flory weathering solution) - so could screw this up. Am I bothered? I don't know. On the one hand I'm pleased with my very first AFV build. On the other, it's not what it should be (missing a few bits, wrong colour etc).

Anyway I'd be interested in peoples opinions on these specifics...
1. Should I prime and repaint?
2. Regardless of yes or no, what stages are next? I'm guessing here...
    a. Clear solution
    b. Decals
    c. Clear solution
    d. Weathering
    e. Clear solution


Thanks for the advice.

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Title: Re: My Challenger II is almost complete - but what should I do now?
Post by: Staggerwing on July 13, 2014, 08:33:59 AM
I think you should redo it in one of the Girls und Panzer themes... flags and all!
Title: Re: My Challenger II is almost complete - but what should I do now?
Post by: GDS_Starfury on July 13, 2014, 09:22:14 AM
use the gloss to your advantage as its the best surface to apply decals and weathering.  then simply recoat in Floquil clear flat.
Title: Re: My Challenger II is almost complete - but what should I do now?
Post by: JudgeDredd on July 21, 2014, 01:14:45 AM
Well, I've decided not to repaint the Challenger II.

Instead, I finished off the little bits over the weekend and gave it a flat coat to prepare it for the decals...then another flat coat will ensue before I attempt some weathering.

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I also started work on my 1/48 scale Sea Harrier. I got it really cheap because it's such an old kit. It's very dated. You can spot the difference a mile off with newer kits, tooling is pretty poor, there are very few parts and there's a lot of sanding to get rid of run-over plastic.

So I put a few pieces together and gave them a prime. I'm going to have to try and do something with the jets
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Title: Re: My Challenger II is almost complete - but what should I do now?
Post by: Staggerwing on July 21, 2014, 05:25:09 AM
See if anyone makes aftermarket parts in your scale.
Title: Re: My Challenger II is almost complete - but what should I do now?
Post by: JudgeDredd on July 21, 2014, 05:31:19 AM
I didn't think about that - but my modelling hobby is rather expensive without adding after market parts to them.

Plus, I know there's all that photo etched stuff out there, but I honestly take the view that it's what you do with what you've got that matters (in other walks of life also  :D ).

I know others think differently - and that's cool. Lots of people want that holy grail look and they are so good at what they do that they don't want some sub standard part bringing the model down and that's totally cool...but me...nah...it's me and the kit (and about keeping it cheap!). My kits don't have the look that everyone else manages to get from them. So "extra parts" are kind of a waste of money for me.

The only thing I buy outside of the model kit is the masking for the glass parts
Title: Re: My Challenger II is almost complete - but what should I do now?
Post by: JudgeDredd on July 27, 2014, 10:45:17 AM
Decals on and flat coat applied

Weathering next and oh, how I am dreading screwing this up!  :(

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Title: Re: My Challenger II is almost complete - but what should I do now?
Post by: GDS_Starfury on July 27, 2014, 11:18:46 AM
from the looks of it whatever you did to the drive sprocket is what you should do to the rest of it.
also keep in mind that the only coat that counts is the last one.
Title: Re: My Challenger II is almost complete - but what should I do now?
Post by: JudgeDredd on July 27, 2014, 11:42:54 AM
Exactly why I'm worried GDS.

The sprocket all I did was put some Flory wash on it - that's all. I didn't pay too much attention to it because it was the wheels which (apart from the sprocket) were covered
Title: Re: My Challenger II is almost complete - but what should I do now?
Post by: GDS_Starfury on July 27, 2014, 05:54:50 PM
but no matter what you do you can just put a wash of the base color over whatever you do and be good to go.
Title: Re: My Challenger II is almost complete - but what should I do now?
Post by: JudgeDredd on February 22, 2015, 10:32:36 AM
Ok - so I have eventually (after much putting off) started to weather the Challenger.

Basically it's been sitting there for months and I didn't want to start a new model without completing it, so I started today. It was very bland looking and I thought "what's the worst that can happen?" I mean...I wasn't going to move onto another model but kept putting them off until I completed it - so good or bad, I was going to start it today.

This is it before I started
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I used Flory Models Dark Dirt. That's all at the moment. I plan to use some Humbrol weather powders at some point.

And this is it at various stages. I may have not been "careful" enough. Looking at it, there's some obvious "brushing" marks. But I do have plans to do more - and the flory model wash is brought back to life with water.
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Title: Re: My Challenger II is almost complete - but what should I do now?
Post by: mirth on February 22, 2015, 10:49:54 AM
Nice JD. The wash brings it to life.
Title: Re: My Challenger II is almost complete - but what should I do now?
Post by: JudgeDredd on February 22, 2015, 10:56:20 AM
Thanks mirth...it really does. It's evident that a brush has been used, but it actually looks dirty and used now.

I like. I'm looking forward to adding a bit of "rust drip" and some sand wash and focussing on some of the crevices and bolt sections.
Title: Re: My Challenger II is almost complete - but what should I do now?
Post by: Staggerwing on February 22, 2015, 12:41:11 PM
Looks good JD.  O0

Now I'm jonesin' for the smell of styrene cement and model paints...  :))
Title: Re: My Challenger II is almost complete - but what should I do now?
Post by: mirth on February 22, 2015, 12:46:44 PM
I miss the glue fumes.
Title: Re: My Challenger II is almost complete - but what should I do now?
Post by: JudgeDredd on February 22, 2015, 01:56:49 PM
ok - I'm done...the finished article.

First time EVER doing weathering on any scale - so I'm actually rather happy with the results. I could compare to other people's and think it's crap - but I like the final cut. It looks like a used tank now


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Title: Re: My Challenger II is almost complete - but what should I do now?
Post by: Staggerwing on February 22, 2015, 05:33:50 PM
That chessboard actually makes a nice display base for the model.
Title: Re: My Challenger II is almost complete - but what should I do now?
Post by: mirth on February 22, 2015, 05:35:48 PM
^Agreed
Title: Re: My Challenger II is almost complete - but what should I do now?
Post by: Nefaro on February 27, 2015, 05:09:54 PM
The weathering really brought it to life.   O0
Title: Re: My Challenger II is almost complete - but what should I do now?
Post by: jomni on February 28, 2015, 09:28:26 PM
Nice.  O0
Title: Re: My Challenger II is almost complete - but what should I do now?
Post by: MikeGER on March 01, 2015, 03:14:13 AM
+1 i like the weathering O0
Title: Re: My Challenger II is almost complete - but what should I do now?
Post by: JudgeDredd on March 01, 2015, 03:32:59 AM
Thanks everyone. I was totally amazed at how easy it was to get that very reasonable result. The florry model wash was literally brushed on and wiped off albeit with some idea of what I was looking for
Title: Re: My Challenger II is almost complete - but what should I do now?
Post by: Shelldrake on March 05, 2015, 08:49:08 AM
Very nice JD!
Title: Re: My Challenger II is almost complete - but what should I do now?
Post by: GDS_Starfury on March 05, 2015, 09:28:48 AM
thats looks pretty good JD.   O0
I have an idea for you but if you try it you wont be able to play around with and touch your model again.
a filter of ground up pastels over the wash.
basically you get a pastel thats the same or close to the main tan color and grind it down on some sand paper.
then you take a smallish brush and rub the powder over the raised surfaces that youve weathered.  the nice thing about
this method is that if you dont like it you can wash it off.
Title: Re: My Challenger II is almost complete - but what should I do now?
Post by: JudgeDredd on March 07, 2015, 12:35:37 PM
Thanks GDS

I'm not sure I want to tamper with it now. It's been sitting there for so long, holding up my other model making activities that I kind of just want to move on.

I might do though. I wouldn't be able to wash anything off though...not until I had "cleared" it which I haven't done as yet.

But - I might do   O0