Shadow Empire

Rayfer · December 26, 2020, 10:02:15 AM

Well done LF. I enjoyed the video. I didn't realize the map wraps around because I never got far enough into a campaign to notice it. Is it an option you can turn on and off?

MOS:96B2P · December 26, 2020, 10:05:07 AM

Quote from: Lotti Fuehrscheim on December 25, 2020, 08:51:19 PM

The game makes automatically screenshots at the beginning and end of every turn.

Interesting game and video.

Lotti Fuehrscheim · December 26, 2020, 10:44:30 AM

Quote from: Rayfer on December 26, 2020, 10:02:15 AM
Well done LF. I enjoyed the video. I didn't realize the map wraps around because I never got far enough into a campaign to notice it. Is it an option you can turn on and off?

No, you always play on a whole planet, and whatever the flat-earthers are saying, planets are round.

(but considering the situation at the poles, I wonder if Vic is a bit of a flat-earther himself

Jarhead0331 · December 26, 2020, 10:50:40 AM

I still wish there was some space or interstellar component to this game. With this added, I feel like it would be truly epic.

solops · December 26, 2020, 10:58:06 AM

Quote from: Jarhead0331 on December 26, 2020, 10:50:40 AM
I still wish there was some space or interstellar component to this game. With this added, I feel like it would be truly epic.

Can you say "DLC"? Actually, the game is such that I cannot imagine ever being to play a that kind of campaign, time-wise, even if the space portion was severely abbreviated like in Rising Sun's. An accompanying space campaign of similar depth would be impossible to play.....the space portion AND multiple planetary wars!!??

Edit - "Fading Suns"

airboy · December 26, 2020, 12:59:42 PM

Quote from: Jarhead0331 on December 26, 2020, 10:50:40 AM
I still wish there was some space or interstellar component to this game. With this added, I feel like it would be truly epic.

I don't think that is feasible. The current game is very, very long. Even on a small planet on the easiest settings, it takes an extremely long time to achieve victory. Adding a space aspect to the game would make it even longer.

solops · December 26, 2020, 01:48:54 PM

Quote from: airboy on December 26, 2020, 12:59:42 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on December 26, 2020, 10:50:40 AM
I still wish there was some space or interstellar component to this game. With this added, I feel like it would be truly epic.

I don't think that is feasible. The current game is very, very long. Even on a small planet on the easiest settings, it takes an extremely long time to achieve victory. Adding a space aspect to the game would make it even longer.

+1
That said, I AM Retired and I WOULD attempt to play such an epic beast :)

Jarhead0331 · December 26, 2020, 02:57:28 PM

Quote from: solops on December 26, 2020, 01:48:54 PM
Quote from: airboy on December 26, 2020, 12:59:42 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on December 26, 2020, 10:50:40 AM
I still wish there was some space or interstellar component to this game. With this added, I feel like it would be truly epic.

I don't think that is feasible. The current game is very, very long. Even on a small planet on the easiest settings, it takes an extremely long time to achieve victory. Adding a space aspect to the game would make it even longer.
+1
That said, I AM Retired and I WOULD attempt to play such an epic beast :)

If WWII can be played in one day turns, someone can come up with a balanced way to accomplish this. It wouldn't be that much different from EotFS, and Hollistic figured out that formula 25 years ago.

FarAway Sooner · December 26, 2020, 04:48:12 PM

Quote from: Jarhead0331 on December 26, 2020, 10:50:40 AM
I still wish there was some space or interstellar component to this game. With this added, I feel like it would be truly epic.

Are you talking about an "orbital" or "satellite" field of play to introduce an off-planet aspect to the game? Or making it into a true interstellar 4x?

While I get the appeal of both pieces, the latter approach simply wouldn't work for this game system. But, before I disagree further, I want to make sure I understand what the proposal is?

Jarhead0331 · December 26, 2020, 05:10:54 PM

I'm talking about a game where the player can discover or research tech to get back into the stars and try to reforge the old empire that was destroyed in the war. I'm not saying it would be simple. I'm not saying it would be for everyone, but it is certainly possible. I don't see what is so verboten about being able to rediscover space faring technology that would allow the player to land troops on other worlds and conquer them.

solops · December 26, 2020, 10:47:51 PM

Quote from: Jarhead0331 on December 26, 2020, 05:10:54 PM
I'm talking about a game where the player can discover or research tech to get back into the stars and try to reforge the old empire that was destroyed in the war. I'm not saying it would be simple. I'm not saying it would be for everyone, but it is certainly possible. I don't see what is so verboten about being able to rediscover space faring technology that would allow the player to land troops on other worlds and conquer them.

Oh, I agree. It would be totally cool and epic. I just don't think I would live long enough to get very far in a campaign at the current level of detail. But it would be awesome.

Fetrik · December 27, 2020, 01:12:39 AM

I think that once you controlled one planet your next conquest would likely be sent every possible reinforment available from off world. Which would in many cases make that a stomp once you had secured a foothold. On top of that you would already have done all the research for the best units.

The same issues that trouble a late game TW campaign would be an issue here. While such a campaign is certainly
feasible, is it desireable by any but a logistics genius?

I'm only halfway through the manual right now and i haven't played the game yet. Dastactics current series on YouTube convinced me to buy the game.

solops · December 27, 2020, 08:47:19 AM

Large empire, multiple offensive and defensive planetary wars plus space naval ops... WOW!

Jarhead0331 · December 27, 2020, 10:29:30 AM

Quote from: Fetrik on December 27, 2020, 01:12:39 AM
I think that once you controlled one planet your next conquest would likely be sent every possible reinforment available from off world. Which would in many cases make that a stomp once you had secured a foothold. On top of that you would already have done all the research for the best units.

The same issues that trouble a late game TW campaign would be an issue here. While such a campaign is certainly
feasible, is it desireable by any but a logistics genius?

I'm only halfway through the manual right now and i haven't played the game yet. Dastactics current series on YouTube convinced me to buy the game.

But the AI opponents would be researching too, and some of them would be striving to get to the stars and reforge a new interstellar empire as well...so ideally, you'd have to worry about fortifying your own worlds.

Logistics would be tough, but no tougher than it is in a game like, say Aurora...

Fetrik · December 27, 2020, 02:10:17 PM

Quote from: Jarhead0331 on December 27, 2020, 10:29:30 AM

But the AI opponents would be researching too, and some of them would be striving to get to the stars and reforge a new interstellar empire as well...so ideally, you'd have to worry about fortifying your own worlds.

Logistics would be tough, but no tougher than it is in a game like, say Aurora...

Exactly! Current endturn times multiplied by number of planets. I'm just imagining like having to take a turn on 12 different planets in a struggle to hold on or conquer every turn. Progress would be sloooow.
But for the people who want that it must sound a dream come true. I'm do think the idea sound really cool, just not very enjoyable for most people.

*Crap* When editing to shorten Jarhead's quote i managed to make my reply seem like a quote too... *ops*