And I'm soooooooooo tempted to get it before I go on holiday in August!
ya know you'll cave in way before then...so why not today JD ::)
I picked up Hornet Leader last year. Not sure the T/A Leader will be different enough to warrant the purchase. Will be interested to hear what people have to say about it.
I've been tossing around getting Hornet Leader because of all the good AAR's I've been reading...
However, it looks like TAL is different in the way it does the tactical stuff... it uses hex shape board pieces to make up the target area with different terrain!
I'm going to the Comic Book Shoppe to see if they have a copy.... my wife is out of town so maybe I can sneak a copy home.... 8)
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/1361210/thunderbolt-apache-leader?size=original
Thanks for the push rekim...bought.
I'll let you know. I'd rather splash the cash on a new leader game than a re-release such as Phantom Leader - which is a fantastic game, but hard to justify the same price for an update.
I love the leader series and I'm looking forward to this one. U-Boat leader not so much. I liked it at first, but it's the variations of weapons, sites, targets, pilots and aircraft that make the series for me...U-Boat Leader didn't really have those variations.
Congrats to the purchase Judge :)
I ve read there will be a tablet version, for Phantom Leader
That would be great for TAL to 8)
are there any PC version planed that somebody heard of?
Its a pitty, a 1:1 representation of a DVG solitaire bord game couldn't be sooo difficult to do while the 'AI' is already build-in the rules and game-mechnics, isn't it?
Matrix put out a Hornet Leaer PC game back in 2007(?).
I just went looking for the demo, there was one, but the link is now dead. :-[
I think it was based on teh first release version and only had 3 campaigns in it.
Quote from: Barthheart on July 19, 2012, 12:51:35 PM
Matrix put out a Hornet Leaer PC game back in 2007(?).
I just went looking for the demo, there was one, but the link is now dead. :-[
I think it was based on teh first release version and only had 3 campaigns in it.
IIRC there was a sort of demo using VASSAL on Dan's web site.
i am downloading right now :)
ftp://ftp.matrixgames.com/pub/HornetLeader/HornetLeader-Demo.zip
THX for the head up
Quote from: MikeGER on July 19, 2012, 12:57:16 PM
i am downloading right now :)
ftp://ftp.matrixgames.com/pub/HornetLeader/HornetLeader-Demo.zip
THX for the head up
Thank you! The link wouldn't work for me the other day, but does now! 8)
Something is lost in translation between PC and boardgame.
For me, that goes for all boargame-PC conversions I've tried - Hornet Leader and Conflict of Heroes.
To be honest I don't really think it's the developers doing anything wrong. Conflict of Heroes (which I beta tested for some time) is a great game - but it has lost something in the translation to PC. Maybe it's the setting up? I hate the setup phase on a PC whereas setting up of a boardgame is integral, required and fun.
Hornet Leader - I didn't have the boardgame before I tried the demo - and I really just didn't get it...it came across a very simple. Yet it's just a representation of the boardgame.
Maybe it's because what is so integral to a boardgame is removed by the PC? Whatever it is - there is one thing I am 100% absolutely sure of - if there's a boardgame out there that is popular, then in it's conversion to PC, it should be represented 100% faithfully to the boardgame. It shouldn't be deviated from (with the small exception of implementing rules). Graphics, game style, playability should remain as the boardgame. But that's just my opinion.
I'll let you know what TAL is like. Hornet Leader is amazing. Phantom Leader was my first and had less content but was equally fantastic...and the era was superb too. I simply cannot wait for IAF Leader! U-Boat leader....well it's here and I'd like to fire it up again...maybe.
Looking forward to hearing your impressions, JD. I've never pulled the trigger on the DVG solitaire games, though I have been tempted many times.
I do own Modern Naval Battles and the expansion deck which is a fun, quick-playing, light game.
Have my copy today...woot woot!
Only thing is, I'm busy with my B-17 model tonight...so it might have to wait a few days before I give it an outing.
...how about one of those un-boxing videos, that seems to be in fashion today on YT ;-)
I bet you will be the first on DVG:TAL :)
It appears not MikeGer - enjoy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvqj8rzZJjs)
Quote from: JudgeDredd on July 23, 2012, 11:17:40 AM
It appears not MikeGer - enjoy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvqj8rzZJjs)
Neat.... did your copy have the US bucks in it??? (watched at work so no sound...)
Although it's about the old TAL version maybe our HFC review can give some insights to those interested in buying the new TAL. Dan said to me on CSW that he wants to keep the old game for the most part and only improve on details (and the components of course) so our review is not that outdated I suppose. And we tried to make clear why this game is such a blast as a coop game :)
http://wargamecenter.wordpress.com/2010/12/01/review-thunderbolt-apache-leader-gmt/ (http://wargamecenter.wordpress.com/2010/12/01/review-thunderbolt-apache-leader-gmt/)
Quote from: Barthheart on July 23, 2012, 11:30:15 AM
Quote from: JudgeDredd on July 23, 2012, 11:17:40 AM
It appears not MikeGer - enjoy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvqj8rzZJjs)
Neat.... did your copy have the US bucks in it??? (watched at work so no sound...)
No :-(
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Thank you very much Judge ! :) HELL ! i am tempted :) ...must resist must resist must resist...
...but i will put it on my wish-list for my visit of The Spiel2012 games trade fair in Essen in October...
let us all know how you liked it when you played a mission please 8)
Quote from: JudgeDredd on July 19, 2012, 02:49:01 PM
. It shouldn't be deviated from (with the small exception of implementing rules). Graphics, game style, playability should remain as the boardgame.
on a side note
on CoH
did you saw that the upcoming 1.6 patch (a first beta is already out) tries to turn CoH more into a 1:1 representation of the board game 8)
(hi-res counters and hires-scanned boardgame mapgraphics overlay for the landscape in the making)
(i couldnt test it, i am stuck with 1.5 while in the tournament at WG)
No probs MikeGER...I'm going on holiday in August so I plan to play it a few times up in the Lake District in between cycling and climbing...so I plan to get some of the rules under my belt before then...so I'll post a little AAR here when I do get a game going.
I had heard that was in the making and indeed just prior to release I believe Eric was wanting to release a closer port to the boardgame - I think priority was maybe to aim for a wider market than just that od the boardgame fans.
I may well be picking up Conflict of Heroes in the future if it gets to a boardgame conversion.
Eric did a great job with the game - there's no mistaking that - but at the expense of a a complete conversion of a great boardgame. I hope he's earned his money from it and I hope his addition to move it closer to the boardgame garners him more cash.
And whilst I say PC conversions of great boardgames should not be deviated from - I'm not the one relying on it keeping me in a living...so they have to make the call themselves. I'm just saying what I think is right when it comes to boardgame conversions. I'm not sure I know any that make the grade...though CoH is very close if the conversion is as complete as I believe it to be.
WANT!
I like the changes I've been reading about compared to previous Leader games, and I also like the idea of more of a pure ground attack game.