Renewed rerelease on GamersGate
http://www.gamersgate.com/DD-SABW/steel-armor-blaze-of-war
From Gravi's Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/Graviteam):
- updated to the recent version of GTOS engine
- international version (Eng/Rus in one package; determined from the OS language)
- slightly modified interface and adjusted game mechanics
- revised Iran battlefield and training battlefields
- M60 and T-62 interactive cockpit
- M60 and T-62 driver night vision devices added
If you bought the game earlier, simply redownload it in your library.
Kick ass. Revised interface? I don't expect the world there, but improved UI with this guy's games is always a plus.
As with their Achtung Panzer/Graviteam Tactics, it's fun because it's dual-layered. Strategy & Sim together. Now that I have SBPro, which has a playable T-62 IIRC, I probably don't need to bother with the T-62 except maybe if I feel like the specific settings in SABOW. But a playable M-60 is welcome when I want some retro 105 from the 70s.
Nice. Maybe it's time to play again. I like the sound when your tank gets hit. Like sitting inside a metal drum and someone bangs at it.
fond memories. I have a blog post about this back in 2011.
http://jomnisgames.blogspot.sg/2011/12/steel-armor-cold-war-tank-showdown.html
I have had SABOW for a while and think it is great.
Nice blog entry Jomni :)
I have been using Steel Fury Khatkov 42 lately. That is also excellent.
Just wondering - I have APOS and the Zhalanskol, Operation Hooper, and Shield of the Prophet modern dlcs. Is this a rehash of the same or something quite new?
Quote from: Boggit on March 03, 2015, 11:57:08 AM
Just wondering - I have APOS and the Zhalanskol, Operation Hooper, and Shield of the Prophet modern dlcs. Is this a rehash of the same or something quite new?
You're talking about a totally different game. Steel Armor is primarily a tank simulation, with a strategic element. APOS is completely strategic, with no direct simulation or control of vehicles.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on March 03, 2015, 12:24:22 PM
Quote from: Boggit on March 03, 2015, 11:57:08 AM
Just wondering - I have APOS and the Zhalanskol, Operation Hooper, and Shield of the Prophet modern dlcs. Is this a rehash of the same or something quite new?
You're talking about a totally different game. Steel Armor is primarily a tank simulation, with a strategic element. APOS is completely strategic, with no direct simulation or control of vehicles.
Gotcha! O0
Quote from: Boggit on March 03, 2015, 12:53:17 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on March 03, 2015, 12:24:22 PM
Quote from: Boggit on March 03, 2015, 11:57:08 AM
Just wondering - I have APOS and the Zhalanskol, Operation Hooper, and Shield of the Prophet modern dlcs. Is this a rehash of the same or something quite new?
You're talking about a totally different game. Steel Armor is primarily a tank simulation, with a strategic element. APOS is completely strategic, with no direct simulation or control of vehicles.
Gotcha! O0
But Op Hooper and Shield of the Prophet campaigns ported over from SABOW to AP/GT. They were originally done for SABOW.
They did that just to confuse everyone.
Quote from: Nefaro on March 03, 2015, 04:27:38 PM
Quote from: Boggit on March 03, 2015, 12:53:17 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on March 03, 2015, 12:24:22 PM
Quote from: Boggit on March 03, 2015, 11:57:08 AM
Just wondering - I have APOS and the Zhalanskol, Operation Hooper, and Shield of the Prophet modern dlcs. Is this a rehash of the same or something quite new?
You're talking about a totally different game. Steel Armor is primarily a tank simulation, with a strategic element. APOS is completely strategic, with no direct simulation or control of vehicles.
Gotcha! O0
But Op Hooper and Shield of the Prophet campaigns ported over from SABOW to AP/GT. They were originally done for SABOW.
But SABOW has the same operational map and tactical game. You can even give commands to them exactly in the same way as Graviteam Tactics. But they auto resolve battles that do not involve the drivable tanks and not let you play them like GT.
Wish they made all tanks drivable and play all operational and tactical battles like GT. That would the the killer app.
Just played and interface still sucks. Have to relearn everthing.
I dunno. But I feel the UI became worse. >:D
Turorial:
http://graviteam.com/forum/index.php?topic=11215.0
Despite owning the game for so long, I learned something new like the WP smoke, anti-personnel rounds, M60 range finder, and the commander auto-ranging. :D
Now it's on Steam too!
http://store.steampowered.com/app/286280/
Big warning from Graviteam. Gamersgate Steel Armor installer will install on your Graviteam Tactics by default. Users must change the path manually. Only for Gamersgate Graviteam Tactics. Lucky I have Steam GT.
The warning is no longer in effect. Installer has been updated on GamersGate.
March 2015 Patch is out!
http://graviteam.com/patches.html
LOL - all I've been doing each night is downloading. I had to get the later version to fix the language problem with the updater, then got the newest version (full install) which delivers the F10 3D unit positioning, now a patch! I haven't played it for days, just been updating it!
Lol. I didn't bother changing the updater and just used the Russian one and pressed by trial and error.
New March patch is out (Gamersgate version)
And another patch. March15c.
Demo and new patch (april 2015) available http://graviteam.com/games/SABOW.html?action=downloads
April15 Feat Vid
April15 Knock Outs
Patch April 2015b for GamersGate version.
Here: http://graviteam.com/SABOW/sabow_apr15b_patch_eng.gt2extension
Or on GamersGate in your Library.
14) - 32) are new this patch
1) Modified and redesigned missions from "Instant Action" mode, added training elements.
2) Added the mission driving T-62 tank.
3) Changed sounds for MGs fire for M60 tank.
4) Direction indicators for gun and hull moved to the back of the indicator area.
5) Added a smoke generators for M60A1 and T-62 tanks on the driver's seat and the corresponding command to the commander.
6) Ability to turn on smoke generation for M60A1, T-62 and T-55 tanks for few minutes in the tactical interface.
7) Added automatic alignment of the commander's turret on M60 tank during the transition to the stowed position.
8 ) Ability to use the variable thickness for sight reticles depending on the zoom.
9) Changed a view system for M60 tank commander, added additional poses in the cockpit.
10) The display of the "ceasefire" query in the combat interface.
11) Slightly optimized visualization for smoke and dust.
12) Added new commands in combat interface.
13) Changes in User Guide.
14) Added the [Delete] button to cancel the selected target from the commander.
15) Added setting the priority target by clicking [LMB]/[MMB] in the center of sight (binoculars) for the commander and gunner.
16) Changed some icons in the combat interface.
17) Added clickable area for the M60 tank commander for switching to the main turret controlling mode.
18) Added hotkey [\|] to activate the menu of crew commands.
19) Different effects on detonation of ammunition and ignition of the fuel/charges.
20) Ability to close the hatch on the current seat (button [P]).
21) Added highlighting the center of the view, to set targets without cursor mode.
22) Display for enabled smoke generator.
23) Added an order for the commander and gunner to switch to active defense mode (hold [ 0]).
24) Added an order for the commander and gunner to switch to active defense with respect to the priority targets (hold [9] ).
25) Added a command [ U] to set/change the point on the route of active defense.
26) Added a command [K] to turn the tank/formation directly on the priority target.
27) Added the single missions menu.
28) Hatches with attached preiscopes are automatically closed when crewmember get inside the tank.
29) Fixed a bug with a closed wedge at the first loading of the projectile.
30) Fixed bugs related to the dynamic time deceleration and decreased rate of fire for the machine guns in the simulator mode.
31) Added a single mission explains the principle of a smoke shield order.
32) Added a single mission explains the use of active defense mode.
T-62 showcase.
I love the watch those shells being ejected.
30% off until May 11.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/286280/
Please give the demo a try. It has a lot to offer.
Demo:
http://graviteam.com/SABOW/sabow_setup_apr15_demo_int.exe
Crap. Now I'm going to buy this
New patch - May 13th 2015 (Steam)
Wet surfaces during rain.
Terramorphing terrain under the tracks and wheels, depending on the soil and moisture.
Increase staffing departments in the fast combat.
New mission: Roads.
New mission: Night Fight.
New mission: Rangefinder.
Added damage model for aircrafts and helicopters.
Ability to rise up in the stowed position (M60 tank commander [Y]).
Added achivs for passing certain single player missions.
Hi Asid - so the Steam version has been patched before the Graviteam/Gamersgate version this time?
Yes, right now Steam is ahead. :)
Quote from: smithcorp on May 14, 2015, 04:18:38 AM
Hi Asid - so the Steam version has been patched before the Graviteam/Gamersgate version this time?
Hi smithcorp.
I have found that in the last few updates the Steam version is slightly ahead just like Krabb said.
regards
Gamersgate patch is out.
http://graviteam.com/patches.html
Are these patches sequential or cumulative? In other words, do I need to instal April 2015 before May or just go with May, the most recent?
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on May 14, 2015, 03:32:00 PM
Are these patches sequential or cumulative? In other words, do I need to instal April 2015 before May or just go with May, the most recent?
Just install the latest patch :)
Thanks. O0
If you have the "Re-Mastered" version of SABOW then it is simple. Just install the latest patch.
If you have "another" version like the physical then you may have to do a core update first.
If any help is required then let me know :)
Regards
Don't you still need to apply a Core update exe, then run the content update(s)? The same old odd update process like that in Achtung Panzer/GT?
Quote from: Nefaro on May 14, 2015, 04:50:18 PM
Don't you still need to apply a Core update exe, then run the content update(s)? The same old odd update process like that in Achtung Panzer/GT?
Not for the remastered at this point. Steam updates automatically. Gamersgate version just apply the latest update. It is the "Older" version that may require the core update.
Regards
I have the GG version. Updated the May patch just fine. The tutorial missions were a great idea. It's really a spectacular game. Graviteam is wonderful with capturing the "little" details.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on May 14, 2015, 06:34:51 PM
It's really a spectacular game. Graviteam is wonderful with capturing the "little" details.
Agree. Burning crew, ejecting shell casings...
I downloaded and reinstalled the game and then downloaded the GG patch.... however it is not an exe so I assume you have to go into the game to apply the patch? Sorry, not home yet and just wanted to make sure.
PE
Quote from: PanzersEast on May 15, 2015, 08:23:30 AM
I downloaded and reinstalled the game and then downloaded the GG patch.... however it is not an exe so I assume you have to go into the game to apply the patch? Sorry, not home yet and just wanted to make sure.
PE
Correct. It is the same procedure for all patches prior to this. You run the update program from within the game or from the separate .exe in the root directory and install the patch. Then save and play.
Steel Armor: Blaze of War75% off = £6.25Sale on for next 48 hourshttp://www.gamersgate.com/DD-SABW/steel-armor-blaze-of-war
I recommend this sim :)
Me too!
Cheaper than Steel Beasts.
Prettier than Steel Beasts.
And it has campaigns to boot.
But of course these are just 3rd World Tanks. O0
For that price, sold!
Quote from: jomni on May 19, 2015, 06:55:04 AM
Cheaper than Steel Beasts.
Prettier than Steel Beasts.
And it has campaigns to boot.
But of course these are just 3rd World Tanks. O0
More accessible than steel beasts too.
For that price, I'll jump'in.
I'd love to see them add crewable tanks to graviteam tactics. When it comes to that game I'd rather just play combat mission, but if you add crewable vehicles, well now there's a reason to think other wise.
I recommend it. I've had some good battles and the new interface is easy to get into. The latest update has helped it go a long way since the last time I jumped into it.
PE
SABOW rocks. It has the Toonces seal of approval and my firm recommendation!
Is there any hope that this series will receive MP?
Best,
Jim
"Cyrano"
:/7)
Quote from: Cyrano on May 21, 2015, 08:57:33 AM
Is there any hope that this series will receive MP?
Best,
Jim
"Cyrano"
:/7)
Graviteam are a small company with limited resources. They have said that single player is the priority but depending on the success of the product then MP is a possibility in the future.
GTOS and SABOW have the "Network" option in the settings already though they are not functional.
Regards
Another patch (May2015b, Gamersgate) is out.
Games well worth the seven bucks I paid for it, glad I picked it up.
Only complaint is that I wish they would make the graviteam rts games have crewable vehicles. I'd love to see panzers and t-34s with SABOW's engine. Steel fury doent cut it, I want to crew a panzer or t-34 in SABOW's campaign system.
hows does steel fury compare, i know its the older one but is the UI really different. I'm partial to WW2 tanks also.
It's ok, I'd boot it up if you already have it. There's a ton of mods and senarios for it, but I'd rather see the graviteam devs bring WWII to the SABOW engine.
There's only 2 crewable tanks in SABOW, and it's cool they went for more obscure conflicts. So future dev paths would be Yom Kippur or go more Modern into the timeline, but I'd steer clear cuz steel beasts has that locked up. I'd rather they go the other direction in the timeline towards WWII, no ones really doing it at the moment at high fidelity.
Quote from: -budd- on May 25, 2015, 01:59:50 PM
hows does steel fury compare, i know its the older one but is the UI really different. I'm partial to WW2 tanks also.
I use it and think its great. Especially with the STA mod.
UI is different but easy to learn
More info herehttp://dogsofwarvu.com/forum/index.php/topic,338.0.html
Regards
Book marking that site, thx. I'll pick it up when it hits a sale. I've had it in the basket on other sales but just didn't pull the trigger. I've been playing Steel Armor the past couple of hours and i'm enjoying it. Once i buy I'll probably need your advice to get the mods and mission packs in. I'm familar with JSME so that should help, thx again.
Quote from: -budd- on May 25, 2015, 03:40:07 PM
Once i buy I'll probably need your advice to get the mods and mission packs in. I'm familar with JSME so that should help, thx again.
No problem. I am happy to help :)
ASID...how do I know if that STA mod is installed properly for Steel Fury? i don't see anything different in the menu interface. JGSME says all six mods are active and installed.
EDIT: Nevermind, bro. I got it. It was a JGSME issue.
Asid, just want publicly thank you for everything you do to help people out with games like SABOW and Steel Beasts. You're a huge asset to this forum and the wargaming community in general.
Thanks man O0
Quote from: mirth on May 25, 2015, 05:31:18 PM
Asid, just want publicly thank you for everything you do to help people out with games like SABOW and Steel Beasts. You're a huge asset to this forum and the wargaming community in general.
Thanks man O0
Thank you for the kind words mirth :)
Hey Asid,...Questions :D
I'm playing Steel Armor and i am confused by the controls[graviteam, go figure] I have the latest manual from GG dated 4/29/15, the controls from this manual don't match the in game controls in the option menu. For an example the in game controls in the option menu say spacebar gives you the orders menu, when in fact its fire at will when i play. Am i in the wrong mode? I can seem to get the orders menu to come up. Another question, the manual mentions "active defense" and mentions an active defense interface which i have yet to see, where you can order your units to look for hull down positions. I also can't figure out when i'm giving orders to a single tank or a platoon, when i look in the menu options it says orders by platoon. Do i have to give some platoon orders using the operations map? Sometimes the whole platoon honors the orders other times just the tank i'm in.....I've got to be missing something.
Here's a shot of the page of the manual that mentions Active defense, i don't see any of those icons.
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1144.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fo484%2Fronnie8691%2FScreen%2520Shot%252005-26-15%2520at%252006.59%2520PM_zpskz19mywt.png&hash=a3fe8794feba9b1ae04c6e80e8af2bf7434f9599)
Hi Budd
I am using the Steam version so my version is slightly ahead. My manual is 3rd May 2015. Also if you look in the folder you will find a controls PDF called "03_controls". This is located here: Steel Armor Blaze of War\docs\support.
The Spacebar = Quick orders pop-up.
This works in the F10 map view. It brings up a menu once the unit is selected. Select the unit and right clicking the mouse button achieves the same result.
Active defense
The tank will take cover relative to the active target that you are engaging. That is once you have designated the target. To activate it just press the "9" key once you have an active target.
Also there is a mission called "Active defence" in the "missions" menu on the main screen.
Orders to a tank or platoon/single tank
The orders bar in 3D view runs along the bottom of the screen. There is an icon 4th from the left. It is 3 silhouettes this means the orders are to all tanks in the platoon. Right click this icon and it turns to 1 silhouette this means you are giving orders to 1 tank. You can also hold the "Shift" key while issuing orders and you will see the central figure in the silhouette turns blue. This means you are issuing orders to the one tank. Your own.
Also, In the "game settings menu" I suggest you change option 10.05 "change view to horizon". Change this to 100 or 150% and 200% if your PC allows. This allows you to see a greater distance.
Hope this helps. Let me know if you need any more help. I can be reached on TeamSpeak and i find this can expedite the resolution of "issues".
Regards
Stop reading the manual and just do the tutorials.
Keep doing them until you win all engagements.
Just check out the Controls page in Settings for details.
And ask here if you have any more questions.
Quote from: mirth on May 25, 2015, 05:31:18 PM
Asid, just want publicly thank you for everything you do to help people out with games like SABOW and Steel Beasts. You're a huge asset to this forum and the wargaming community in general.
Thanks man O0
+1 and thanks for the info on the Steel Fury mod.
SABOW
To gain hands on experience.
Select "Battle Editor" from the main menu.
Select "Quick battle settings"
Option 2 "Enemy side". Set it as "Target". They will not return fire. This way you can practice without the annoyance of getting killed.....
Hope this helps
regards
Quote from: Pete Dero on May 27, 2015, 02:46:00 AM
Quote from: mirth on May 25, 2015, 05:31:18 PM
Asid, just want publicly thank you for everything you do to help people out with games like SABOW and Steel Beasts. You're a huge asset to this forum and the wargaming community in general.
Thanks man O0
+1 and thanks for the info on the Steel Fury mod.
No problem :)
Don't forget the GMP missions. They add a lot to SFK42
Regards
Quote from: Asid on May 27, 2015, 12:17:54 PM
SABOW
To gain hands on experience.
Select "Battle Editor" from the main menu.
Select "Quick battle settings"
Option 2 "Enemy side". Set it as "Target". They will not return fire. This way you can practice without the annoyance of getting killed.....
Hope this helps
regards
Awesome pro-tip! Thanks!
Quote from: Asid on May 26, 2015, 10:12:40 PM
Hi Budd
I am using the Steam version so my version is slightly ahead. My manual is 3rd May 2015. Also if you look in the folder you will find a controls PDF called "03_controls". This is located here: Steel Armor Blaze of War\docs\support.
The Spacebar = Quick orders pop-up.
This works in the F10 map view. It brings up a menu once the unit is selected. Select the unit and right clicking the mouse button achieves the same result.
Active defense
The tank will take cover relative to the active target that you are engaging. That is once you have designated the target. To activate it just press the "9" key once you have an active target.
Also there is a mission called "Active defence" in the "missions" menu on the main screen.
Orders to a tank or platoon/single tank
The orders bar in 3D view runs along the bottom of the screen. There is an icon 4th from the left. It is 3 silhouettes this means the orders are to all tanks in the platoon. Right click this icon and it turns to 1 silhouette this means you are giving orders to 1 tank. You can also hold the "Shift" key while issuing orders and you will see the central figure in the silhouette turns blue. This means you are issuing orders to the one tank. Your own.
Also, In the "game settings menu" I suggest you change option 10.05 "change view to horizon". Change this to 100 or 150% and 200% if your PC allows. This allows you to see a greater distance.
Hope this helps. Let me know if you need any more help. I can be reached on TeamSpeak and i find this can expedite the resolution of "issues".
Regards
thx for the replies. I have the GG version and have the april 15 patch installed, I don't see anything about missions on the main screen? Is that a mod?
here's what my main screen looks like.
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1144.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fo484%2Fronnie8691%2FScreen%2520Shot%252005-27-15%2520at%252003.50%2520PM_zpspwb0dl0v.png&hash=5b77d35a4688332e892de01c3abc49a5f2ccc33a)
GG didn't have the lastest patch. I downloaded and installed from graviteam forums, the missions tab is there now. I'll check the control doc now maybe thats updated also, thx again.
Quote from: -budd- on May 27, 2015, 05:57:54 PM
thx for the replies. I have the GG version and have the april 15 patch installed, I don't see anything about missions on the main screen? Is that a mod?
Hi budd
Latest GG version is May 2015b here: http://graviteam.com/SABOW/sabow_may15b_patch_eng.gt2extension
No Mods
Install the latest update by logging into your GG account.
Main screen. Version May 2015(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1288.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb498%2FAsid_1%2FStrategy%2520Sim%2FSABOW%2FSABOW%2520Misc%2F2015-05-28_00001_zpsr9mwovfm.jpg&hash=b7348c9040587adc6d6425b423bbcab1c6e60b12)
Missions menu(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1288.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb498%2FAsid_1%2FStrategy%2520Sim%2FSABOW%2FSABOW%2520Misc%2F2015-05-28_00002_zpsfqylgmru.jpg&hash=f4e4075a4ef327f78c50869487ee46bdf4682ffe)
The defense mission was introduced in the April 2015b patch.
Patch notes April 2015b for GamersGate version.14) - 32) are new this patch
1) Modified and redesigned missions from "Instant Action" mode, added training elements.
2) Added the mission driving T-62 tank.
3) Changed sounds for MGs fire for M60 tank.
4) Direction indicators for gun and hull moved to the back of the indicator area.
5) Added a smoke generators for M60A1 and T-62 tanks on the driver's seat and the corresponding command to the commander.
6) Ability to turn on smoke generation for M60A1, T-62 and T-55 tanks for few minutes in the tactical interface.
7) Added automatic alignment of the commander's turret on M60 tank during the transition to the stowed position.
8 ) Ability to use the variable thickness for sight reticles depending on the zoom.
9) Changed a view system for M60 tank commander, added additional poses in the cockpit.
10) The display of the "ceasefire" query in the combat interface.
11) Slightly optimized visualization for smoke and dust.
12) Added new commands in combat interface.
13) Changes in User Guide.
14) Added the [Delete] button to cancel the selected target from the commander.
15) Added setting the priority target by clicking [LMB]/[MMB] in the center of sight (binoculars) for the commander and gunner.
16) Changed some icons in the combat interface.
17) Added clickable area for the M60 tank commander for switching to the main turret controlling mode.
18) Added hotkey [\|] to activate the menu of crew commands.
19) Different effects on detonation of ammunition and ignition of the fuel/charges.
20) Ability to close the hatch on the current seat (button [P]).
21) Added highlighting the center of the view, to set targets without cursor mode.
22) Display for enabled smoke generator.
23) Added an order for the commander and gunner to switch to active defense mode (hold [ 0]).
24) Added an order for the commander and gunner to switch to active defense with respect to the priority targets (hold [9] ).
25) Added a command [ U] to set/change the point on the route of active defense.
26) Added a command [K] to turn the tank/formation directly on the priority target.
27) Added the single missions menu.28) Hatches with attached preiscopes are automatically closed when crewmember get inside the tank.
29) Fixed a bug with a closed wedge at the first loading of the projectile.
30) Fixed bugs related to the dynamic time deceleration and decreased rate of fire for the machine guns in the simulator mode.
31) Added a single mission explains the principle of a smoke shield order.
32) Added a single mission explains the use of active defense mode.
However the latest is May 2015bHope this helps
Regards
Whoa! Air Strike is new. Gotta play that.
I'm playing the Iran campaign now. Finished and won the Cuba one but quite sloppy.
I know what SABOT and HEAT rounds are but what is best to use in SABOW? The lack or reactive and thick armor on the tanks in this game makes me think HEAT is preferred. They can potentially do more damage and there is visual feedback. I've been poking SABOTs on targets and don't know if I got them or not. But it seems to be different in SB Pro. SABOT seems to be more effective. Am I right? Also I can't seem to do one-shot-kills in this game. Is it characteristic of tank battles during the era? Something like a glorified WW2 tank battle.
I played the air strike mission. The sight of two MiG-23 making passes is amazing.
This may be an interesting read:
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/m60-vs-t-62-lon-nordeen/1101370072?ean=9781846036941 (http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/m60-vs-t-62-lon-nordeen/1101370072?ean=9781846036941)
Hi Jomni
I thought I had replied but it must not have sent >:( ...It was a longer reply. This is the shortened version. Apologies.
You can check the in-game encyclopedia. This will give you all the figures. For example armour thickness and penetration values.
I find in SABOW that SABOT rounds tend to ricochet more than HEAT. There are many factors involved as you know. Distance to target, angle and location to name a few. The tanks in SABOW are circa 1970 and as such do not have the armour associated with modern tanks such as Chobham or Reactive. This means that HEAT is very effective against tanks in SABOW. SABOT tends to pass right through while HEAT sends molten metal into the vehicle killing the crew. The SABOT round also travels faster. However the HEAT round keeps its effectiveness over greater distances.
1 shot kill
To get a 1 shot kill is difficult. You have to hit at the correct location with the most potent round at the correct angle. You may disable the crew or tank but
not entirely destroy it.
I use
HE against infantry
SABOT/HEAT against PC's (HEAT usually first choice)
SABOT/HEAT against tanks (SABOT usually first choice and depending on enemy orientation)
So SABOT against hard armour & HEAT against softer armour.
Steel Beasts
Steel Beasts models various rounds from different eras with greater penetration values. Depleted Uranium is a big help here. SB also models different types of
armour which is designed in varying degrees of effectiveness to counter projectile threats which reduces the effects of a HEAT round. You can score a 1 shot kill in SB depending on where you hit the vehicle, what you hit it with and at what distance you engaged.
Hope this helps
regards
I've owned this game for a long time. I'm on vacation, maybe I should actually install and play it.
Quote from: SirAndrewD on May 29, 2015, 01:45:05 PM
I've owned this game for a long time. I'm on vacation, maybe I should actually install and play it.
Update it and enjoy :)
Quote from: Asid on May 29, 2015, 01:45:48 PM
Quote from: SirAndrewD on May 29, 2015, 01:45:05 PM
I've owned this game for a long time. I'm on vacation, maybe I should actually install and play it.
Update it and enjoy :)
Going to finally give it a try. I got it a long time ago on a holiday sale with blue coins. I saw the release of Across the Rhine on Steam and relived my deep disappointment at that title, so I've got the itch for a good armor sim.
Any other tips for a newbie?
Quote from: SirAndrewD on May 29, 2015, 01:49:35 PM
Any other tips for a newbie?
In Options menu change following.:4.23 Unit color on the operational map = NATO
This will allow you to be Blue and enemy Red. Most are used to this way
5.01 Always show enemy = enabled
This will allow you to see the enemy on the map and easily find/engage while you are learning
8.12 show distance and LOS = enabled
Great tool in the map view. You will have a good idea of LOS
10.05 Change distance to horizon = 100% +
Default is 75% which is too restrictive. More means you see more and enemy earlier but can hit F.P.S.
10.07 Automatic start of subsystems
Make it easy on yourself when learning. You will not have to turn systems on and off.
10.12 Realistic control restriction disabled
This will allow you to jump to map view no matter what crew position you are in. Otherwise you will have to always switch back to Commander before accessing the map.
To gain hands on experience.Select "Battle Editor" from the main menu.
Select "Quick battle settings"
Option 2 "Enemy side". Set it as "Target". They will not return fire. This way you can practice without the annoyance of getting killed.....
Practice in the battle editor.
Hope this helps :)
Quote from: Asid on May 29, 2015, 01:44:49 PM
Hi Jomni
I thought I had replied but it must not have sent >:( ...It was a longer reply. This is the shortened version. Apologies.
You can check the in-game encyclopedia. This will give you all the figures. For example armour thickness and penetration values.
I find in SABOW that SABOT rounds tend to ricochet more than HEAT. There are many factors involved as you know. Distance to target, angle and location to name a few. The tanks in SABOW are circa 1970 and as such do not have the armour associated with modern tanks such as Chobham or Reactive. This means that HEAT is very effective against tanks in SABOW. SABOT tends to pass right through while HEAT sends molten metal into the vehicle killing the crew. The SABOT round also travels faster. However the HEAT round keeps its effectiveness over greater distances.
1 shot kill
To get a 1 shot kill is difficult. You have to hit at the correct location with the most potent round at the correct angle. You may disable the crew or tank but
not entirely destroy it.
I use
HE against infantry
SABOT/HEAT against PC's (HEAT usually first choice)
SABOT/HEAT against tanks (SABOT usually first choice and depending on enemy orientation)
So SABOT against hard armour & HEAT against softer armour.
Steel Beasts
Steel Beasts models various rounds from different eras with greater penetration values. Depleted Uranium is a big help here. SB also models different types of
armour which is designed in varying degrees of effectiveness to counter projectile threats which reduces the effects of a HEAT round. You can score a 1 shot kill in SB depending on where you hit the vehicle, what you hit it with and at what distance you engaged.
Hope this helps
regards
Thanks. That confirms my suspicion.
Patch - June 18th 2015 Steam
• Fixed several bugs lead to errors in the game on some configurations.
• Fixed bug with wrong display of flags in the 3D mode in the deployment/initial orders modes.
• Fixed a bug with infinite rotation of the commander's cupola on M60 tank due to switch to another tank.
• New mission: Tank riders.
• Sectors on the map shows depends on tactical information display button.
• New orders to control an infantry elements of the user platoon.
• Added infantry and motor infantry squads to reserves pools of a tank platoons in quick battles.
• New mission: Artillery.
• A number of minor changes and bug fixes.
• User's manual is updated.
Hotfix - June 19th 2015 Steam
Fixed shell hit SFX.
Patch June 2015 is now available for GamersGate version.
http://graviteam.com/patches.html
1) Fixed several bugs lead to errors in the game on some configurations.
2) Fixed bug with wrong display of flags in the 3D mode in the deployment/initial orders modes.
3) Fixed a bug with infinite rotation of the commander's cupola on M60 tank due to switch to another tank.
4) New mission: Tank riders.
5) Sectors on the map shows depends on tactical information display button.
6) New orders to control an infantry elements of the user platoon.
7) Added infantry and motor infantry squads to reserves pools of a tank platoons in quick battles.
8 ) New mission: Artillery.
9) A number of minor changes and bug fixes.
10) User's manual is updated.
thanks, downloading now.
Feature in SABOW. Your tired troops can hitch a ride
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^Sweet!
The troops mounting is not new. The tutorial mission in SABOW is. Just to make things clear.
SABOW is an excellent sim O0
Quote from: Asid on June 21, 2015, 11:30:07 AM
The troops mounting is not new. The tutorial mission in SABOW is. Just to make things clear.
SABOW is an excellent sim O0
Yes not new. I killed a South African tank with mounted troops and they all burned.
Quote from: jomni on June 21, 2015, 08:18:13 PM
Quote from: Asid on June 21, 2015, 11:30:07 AM
The troops mounting is not new. The tutorial mission in SABOW is. Just to make things clear.
SABOW is an excellent sim O0
Yes not new. I killed a South African tank with mounted troops and they all burned.
I've killed mounted troops in sooooo many games - video, tabletop. Their screams haunt me...
SABOW
Iranian UACV
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Is there a new update Asid, or are you Beta testing one?
Quote from: smithcorp on September 07, 2015, 03:29:37 AM
Is there a new update Asid, or are you Beta testing one?
Hi Smithcorp
This is one of the many additions being rolled out. SABOW has changed a lot since its first release.
Regards
SABOW is incredibly immersive as well as being a deep simulation.
There have been many changes made to SABOW since it was re-mastered. I think it's a great tank simulation which is often overlooked. Two of the reasons people overlook it is because of the UI and update process. I have been putting together an in-depth article about SABOW. I will release it when finished. Apologies for being slow.
Regards
^Don't sit here apologising about being slow....get on with it! :P
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 09, 2015, 11:34:40 AM
^Don't sit here apologising about being slow....get on with it! :P
I haven't forgotten about our Panzer Command Ostfront soiree O:-)
I was wondering
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 09, 2015, 02:22:25 PM
I was wondering
мы встретимся в ближайшее время мой друг :knuppel2:
не спешите, мой друг
Do I sniff an AAR? :)
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 09, 2015, 04:13:48 PM
не спешите, мой друг
O0
Quote from: Boggit on September 09, 2015, 04:34:56 PM
Do I sniff an AAR? :)
That is the plan :) . Details to follow :)
Now back on topic.....
The SABOW devs are constantly improving and adding. New patch + DLC should be out in a week or two. Hopefully I will have my article complete (ish) by then.
Regards
^^ Yay!!!! 8)
This is a game that I own but sadly do not play enough of because I completely and utterly suck at it. And by suck, I mean SUCK.
But if it's good enough for you, then it's good enough for me. I need to see what's coming and get some motivation to dive back into it.
I prefer the tankiness of Steel Beasts over SABOW, but SABOW is by far the better game with the operational layer....something I so utterly wish they would implement in SB. I absolutely hate playing games that have one-off battles that aren't interconnected in some bigger picture.
I understand why SB doesn't do this, but that doesn't make me like the game as a game any more, if that makes sense.
Hi Toonces.
May I ask which version of SABOW you have?
• DVD/Other
• Gamers Gate
• Steam
The GG & Steam versions are the most up to date. There is a large difference from the original release a few years back.
SABOW is actually quite deep. It is not as "gamey" as some would think. The Dev's have done an excellent job modelling the M60 & T62. All of the positions are available. It just takes a little getting used to. There are many options that one can set in order to customise the gameplay to ones needs. You can set the Realism level to "Arcade" or "Simulator". You can select whether the crew gain realistic experience or not. Many options like that are available. I will attempt to hi light these.
SABOW is single player. MP would be great. However it is not available at this time. There is a "Network" option but it is greyed out. What you do get is great AI with a dynamic campaign. As well as a great battle generator.
It has a good interface with ample shortcut keys. You will not be left reaching for the pdf in the heat of battle once you have learned UI.
Friction between the tank and ground surface is modelled extremely well. You can notice a difference with the different surfaces.
I mentioned earlier about fully crewed positions. The crew appear in 3D. You can swap out a dead crew member if needed. Say your driver has expired. You can swap him out with your TC. Though that leaves you without a TC. At least you can be mobile again. This is one of the nice immersive features available in SABOW. Some may say it is "chrome". I say it is immersion.
I have both the original DVD and the new Steam version. I could not wait for the updates.... I have many..Many hours logged on the Steam version. I have played most if not all (the ones I know of) tank sims and I say SABOW, though not perfect, is an excellent simulator and should be in the depot of every computer tank commander.
This is my honest opinion.
Regards
Asid, we don't drive WW2 tanks in SABOW.
But I know it's just a typo.
Let me chime in. In short, it is a good sim. Cold war tanks with no laser range finders are actually fun compared to modern point and shoot fire control. The UI has improved a lot in remastered. And the AI driver has learned new tricks like finding hull down position and quick pop up sequences. There are now air strikes. And it has an operational campaign as opposed to Steel Beasts.
Quote from: jomni on September 09, 2015, 08:57:05 PM
Asid, we don't drive WW2 tanks in SABOW.
But I know it's just a typo.
?
Quote from: Asid on September 09, 2015, 07:34:54 PMThe Dev's have done an excellent job modelling the M60 & T34. All of the positions are available.
Hi Jomni
Thanks for the find. I had been looking at your reply to to "Pontoon" post prior to making this post. You mentioned the T34 there lol.
You should join us on-line again my friend :)
Regards
JC has posted a SABOW video on his excellent blog: http://kriegsimulation.blogspot.ca/2015/09/steel-armor-blaze-of-war-short-video.html (http://kriegsimulation.blogspot.ca/2015/09/steel-armor-blaze-of-war-short-video.html)
Quote from: WallysWorld on September 10, 2015, 12:04:11 PM
JC has posted a SABOW video on his excellent blog: http://kriegsimulation.blogspot.ca/2015/09/steel-armor-blaze-of-war-short-video.html (http://kriegsimulation.blogspot.ca/2015/09/steel-armor-blaze-of-war-short-video.html)
Nice vid WW...thanks, and I added the site to my favorites to check out later. Seemed like the Russian made tank's gun elevated way up after each shot. Even the narrator comments on this during the video. Why is that, is supposed to happen? I've only dabbled in tank sims, mostly WW2, so this is new to me.
Isn't that to do with the auto-loader? Or am I a generation early?
Quote from: Rayfer on September 11, 2015, 09:29:47 AM
Nice vid WW...thanks, and I added the site to my favorites to check out later. Seemed like the Russian made tank's gun elevated way up after each shot. Even the narrator comments on this during the video. Why is that, is supposed to happen? I've only dabbled in tank sims, mostly WW2, so this is new to me.
Hi Rayfer
JC and I already discussed this. This is a limiting feature of the T62. Every time it fires the main gun it goes into the "détente" position. The main gun stays elevated for a few (loooong) seconds to allow the spent cartridge to be ejected. The power transverse is affected during this time and cannot operate. This limits the rate of fire to 4 main per minute.
That's the short answer.
JC has a great blog. Everyone should visit it O0
Hope it helps
Regards
SABOW
Iranian UACV's. Very handy for recon :smiley6600:
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Is this patch/DLC out yet?
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on September 17, 2015, 07:13:22 PM
Is this patch/DLC out yet?
Few days..maybe a week for the patch. DLC maybe a week after that.
Regards
Physics in SABOW. Look at the bridge and how the weight of the tank distorts it.
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So I was looking at some videos this weekend and I'm a bit confused. I have both Graviteam Tactics and SABOW. I saw a video that had (edit: Steel Fury): (this is the old Graviteam Tactics, right) but in it the guy was driving a WW2 tank. I couldn't figure out if it was a mod, or if that is standard now.
Any thoughts on what's going on?
Edit: Found the video
Quote from: Toonces on September 21, 2015, 03:49:21 PM
So I was looking at some videos this weekend and I'm a bit confused. I have both Graviteam Tactics and SABOW. I saw a video that had (edit: Steel Fury): (this is the old Graviteam Tactics, right) but in it the guy was driving a WW2 tank. I couldn't figure out if it was a mod, or if that is standard now.
Any thoughts on what's going on?
Edit: Found the video
Yeah...its a totally different game called "Steel Fury". It models the battle of Kharkov in 1942. It came out before SABOW. Also, an excellent game.
http://graviteam.com/games/steel-fury-kharkov1942.html (http://graviteam.com/games/steel-fury-kharkov1942.html)
Just to add to what JH said.
Graviteam is the name of the DEV
Graviteam Tactics is the name of the series with Operation star etc.
Steel Fury: Kharkov 1942 is a great simulation with an active modding community. It made a few years ago by the same devs. It has a great selection of scenarios and campaigns. You can get inside the vehicles...Yes vehicles as there are more than tanks in this.
Here's a link with useful info about the mods etc.
http://dogsofwarvu.com/forum/index.php/topic,338.0.html
SABOW is a an excellent simulator which models conflicts in the 80's. You can get inside only 2 tanks. M60 & T62. However you can control other tanks, pc's, infantry and UAV's.
Graviteam sims are very immersive and not expensive at all. They frequently appear on sale. If you have any interest in tank simulation then I would suggest you take a closer look.
Regards
Quote from: Asid on September 21, 2015, 03:11:17 PM
Physics in SABOW. Look at the bridge and how the weight of the tank distorts it.
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And Combat Mission fans belittle Graviteam games.
SABOW
I took out the 2 enemy tanks!! Notice the spent shell behind the tank. It also has a broken track (LHS) courtesy of my sabot!
Notice the dead tank on the left. The crew tried to abandon the tank when it was badly damaged but i introduced them to my coax! See one member dead next to the tank in a pool of blood!
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You'll need to help me with this. I installed it last night and fired it up, selected a mission (rather stupidly not doing the tutorial) and thought "WTF am I meant to do?"
I couldn't get the tutorial back.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 22, 2015, 06:31:31 AM
You'll need to help me with this. I installed it last night and fired it up, selected a mission (rather stupidly not doing the tutorial) and thought "WTF am I meant to do?"
I couldn't get the tutorial back.
Oh dear God...here we go. :smitten:
lol
I should've played the tutorial
I promise I'll have nothing but positive feedback or silence O0
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 22, 2015, 06:31:31 AM
You'll need to help me with this. I installed it last night and fired it up, selected a mission (rather stupidly not doing the tutorial) and thought "WTF am I meant to do?"
I couldn't get the tutorial back.
Are you using the Remastered version? It's got a full set of very good tutorials.
Quote from: jomni on September 22, 2015, 07:04:13 AM
Are you using the Remastered version? It's got a full set of very good tutorials.
+1
Pop on TeamSpeak JD (let me know when) and I can help you :-*
I'll jump on tonight eh? O0
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 22, 2015, 07:15:59 AM
I'll jump on tonight eh? O0
No problem :)
The offer is there for all members of this forum. I am a bit familiar with SABOW so if any help is needed then please ask :)
Regards
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on September 22, 2015, 06:34:15 AM
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 22, 2015, 06:31:31 AM
You'll need to help me with this. I installed it last night and fired it up, selected a mission (rather stupidly not doing the tutorial) and thought "WTF am I meant to do?"
I couldn't get the tutorial back.
Oh dear God...here we go. :smitten:
Lmao - tea and cookie all over the place
Quote from: undercovergeek on September 22, 2015, 07:58:05 AM
Lmao - tea and cookie all over the place
The only T was his T62....making short work of an M60 :knuppel2:
Just like this...But nastier :o
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Thanks for the help Asid.
Plenty to do - but great start. Thanks! O0 O0
Oh - and I installed the update and I have all the options you were mentioning (main screen options and settings)
Quote from: undercovergeek on September 22, 2015, 07:58:05 AM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on September 22, 2015, 06:34:15 AM
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 22, 2015, 06:31:31 AM
You'll need to help me with this. I installed it last night and fired it up, selected a mission (rather stupidly not doing the tutorial) and thought "WTF am I meant to do?"
I couldn't get the tutorial back.
Oh dear God...here we go. :smitten:
Lmao - tea and cookie all over the place
So I played some of this and it is fantastic.
***grumble, grumble, grumble***
The graphics are great and the gameplay is superb. There's ALOT of keys and some of my keys (mapped in the game) were firing off other things on my PC (F3 was External/Internal view and also kept stopping and starting my video recording software!)
***grumble, grumble, grumble***
I can see me playing more than this - I just need to put get a grip of the key mappings and fix the crossover with system stuff.
But yeah - good game - thanks a lot for the help Asid.
The UI is somewhat improved and a lot can be done by just using the on-screen icons.
Changes from the upcoming Steel Armor patch in support of the new DLC:
1) Adjusted the algorithm of formation movement on bridges.
2) Added a pontoon bridge.
3) Fixed improper removal of sprites in tables bug.
4) Increased Iranian armed forces TOE in quick battle: Basij militia and IRGC units added.
5) Added captured vehicles to Iranian units.
6) Added Iranian Mohajer-1 drone and UAV launch mechanism.
7) Fixed excessively shaded planes and helicopters bug.
8 ) Expanded Iraqi army TOE.
9) Vehicles without weapons, but with armed crew are not displayed as having no ammunition.
10) Added indication of cancelling of moving by road.
11) New achievement added.
12) Adjusted effects associated with water.
13) Fixed bug when game hangs after leaving the battle.
14) Changed the algorithm of vehicle detour (bypass).
15) Adjusted blood shader.
16) Added RPD machine gun.
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Steel Armor - Blaze of War
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Update September 2015
1) Adjusted the algorithm of formation movement on bridges.
2) Added a pontoon bridge.
3) Fixed improper removal of sprites in tables bug.
4) Increased Iranian armed forces TOE in quick battle: Basij militia and IRGC units added.
5) Added captured vehicles to Iranian units.
6) Added Iranian Mohajer-1 drone and UAV launch mechanism.
7) Fixed excessively shaded planes and helicopters bug.
8 ) Expanded Iraqi army TOE.
9) Vehicles without weapons, but with armed crew are not displayed as having no ammunition.
10) Added indication of cancelling of moving by road.
11) New achievement added.
12) Adjusted effects associated with water.
13) Fixed bug when game hangs after leaving the battle.
14) Changed the algorithm of vehicle detour (bypass).
15) Adjusted blood shader.
16) Added RPD machine gun.
Patch September 2015 (GamersGate Version!)
http://graviteam.com/SABOW/sabow_sep15_patch_eng.gt2extension
Patch September 2015 Steam also
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Saving Basra - Steel Armor Blaze of War
December 1985. After years of war, the Iranians are feeling the pinch of social unrest. Determined to finish Saddam Hussein and his Army, chairman Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani made it clear that the only way to finish the war would be an attack on Basra. The first phase of the operation would be crossing the the Shatt al-Arab river, south of Basra (Operation Karbala 4) and to turn the Iraqi defensive positions centered on Basra.
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Read the full AAR here: Click Here (http://kriegsimulation.blogspot.co.uk/2016/02/saving-basra-steel-armor-blaze-of-war.html#more)