I am Jesus (simulation)

[Destraex]

Not to ruin the mood but can you imagine the reaction to a, 'I Am Muhammad' sim?  :hide:  Seems a little insensitive to me.

+1

i guess the Muhammad Sim would sell much better so, these dark days ::)
swordplay, raids on camel trains, warlord activities, romance with female boss a Milf widow to gain money and social security, drug abuse in a cave hippy-style, clan factions diplomacy, wars and betrayals, summed up 10 wifes  ...and very provocative pedo-activities in the late game, if developer dare to hint at that historic fact   
 
almost like game of thrones without dragons and magic, vampires or werwolfs

I thought the wife age thing was normal even in the west at the time, if that's what you mean?

[Sir Slash]

Not to offend anyone anywhere but one of Muhammad's wives was 9 when he married her. Not betroved, but actual marriage as I've read it. A little too young even for ( fill in the blank for your favorite in-bred places).  :hug:  Or even Europe at the time. Some of the humor like on Family Guy for one, of Jesus is funny if done tastefully and not meant to offend or be, 'edgy'. My 2 cents.

[RyanE]

Good to see that grogheads is still as culturally sensitive as ever.  Sheesh.

[Tripoli]

Not to ruin the mood but can you imagine the reaction to a, 'I Am Muhammad' sim?  :hide:  Seems a little insensitive to me.

+1

i guess the Muhammad Sim would sell much better so, these dark days ::)
swordplay, raids on camel trains, warlord activities, romance with female boss a Milf widow to gain money and social security, drug abuse in a cave hippy-style, clan factions diplomacy, wars and betrayals, summed up 10 wifes  ...and very provocative pedo-activities in the late game, if developer dare to hint at that historic fact   
 
almost like game of thrones without dragons and magic, vampires or werwolfs

I thought the wife age thing was normal even in the west at the time, if that's what you mean?

In late Medieval Europe, the Church didn't recognize marriage before the age of 12. (http://www.themiddleages.net/life/marriage.html  ).  Most women were married at around 14-16 (cf. https://womenofhistory.blogspot.com/2007/08/medieval-marriage-childbirth.html).  Mohammad married Aisha when she was 7 and consummated the marriage when she was nine. (Bukhari, vol. 5, book 63, no. 3896; cf. Bukhari, vol. 7, book 67, no. 5158.  (quoting Aisha "The Messenger of God married me when I was seven; my marriage was consummated when I was nine.").

[Emir Agic]

In late Medieval Europe, the Church didn't recognize marriage before the age of 12. (http://www.themiddleages.net/life/marriage.html  ).  Most women were married at around 14-16 (cf. https://womenofhistory.blogspot.com/2007/08/medieval-marriage-childbirth.html).  Mohammad married Aisha when she was 7 and consummated the marriage when she was nine. (Bukhari, vol. 5, book 63, no. 3896; cf. Bukhari, vol. 7, book 67, no. 5158.  (quoting Aisha "The Messenger of God married me when I was seven; my marriage was consummated when I was nine.").

"Because of this, it is impossible to know with any certainty how old Aisha was. What we do know is what the Qur'an says about marriage: that it is valid only between consenting adults, and that a woman has the right to choose her own spouse. As the living embodiment of Islam, Muhammad's actions reflect the Qur'an's teachings on marriage, even if the actions of some Muslim regimes and individuals do not."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/sep/17/muhammad-aisha-truth

[DoctorQuest]

Good to see that grogheads is still as culturally sensitive as ever.  Sheesh.

And to take a topic and push it ever so close to the RPFW precipice.  :DD

[Gusington]

Honestly I see nothing here yet that would push this into the R&P miasma.

[JasonPratt]

Looping back to the topic from reading the linked article, I wait with amusement the criticism of these games as charged with x-ophobia. But I'm not holding my breath.

(...heh, Xphobia! Because the X is an abbreviation for Christ.)

[al_infierno]

Christianophobia?

Wait, no, that don't real because it's still okay to rag on Christians!

[DoctorQuest]

Honestly I see nothing here yet that would push this into the R&P miasma.

I trust your judgement. 

[Tpek]

Am I the only one familiar with those old MDickie(or whatever) games that were about Jesus and Muhammad, The You Testament series?

[SirAndrewD]

Not to ruin the mood but can you imagine the reaction to a, 'I Am Muhammad' sim?

Am I the only one familiar with those old MDickie(or whatever) games that were about Jesus and Muhammad, The You Testament series?

Here you go....

[Tripoli]

In late Medieval Europe, the Church didn't recognize marriage before the age of 12. (http://www.themiddleages.net/life/marriage.html  ).  Most women were married at around 14-16 (cf. https://womenofhistory.blogspot.com/2007/08/medieval-marriage-childbirth.html).  Mohammad married Aisha when she was 7 and consummated the marriage when she was nine. (Bukhari, vol. 5, book 63, no. 3896; cf. Bukhari, vol. 7, book 67, no. 5158.  (quoting Aisha "The Messenger of God married me when I was seven; my marriage was consummated when I was nine.").

"Because of this, it is impossible to know with any certainty how old Aisha was. What we do know is what the Qur'an says about marriage: that it is valid only between consenting adults, and that a woman has the right to choose her own spouse. As the living embodiment of Islam, Muhammad's actions reflect the Qur'an's teachings on marriage, even if the actions of some Muslim regimes and individuals do not."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/sep/17/muhammad-aisha-truth

The Guardian statement you cite is a bit misleading when it says that marriage is between adults under Islamic law.
While that is technically true, the issue is what constitutes an adult under Islamic law?  There are four major Islamic Sunni legal schools:  Hanafi, Maliki, Shafii, Hanbali.  Additionally, there is the Jafari school that is used by twelver Shia.   Islamic law requires adulthood for marriage, and defines adulthood for females as being conclusively proven by the onset of menses.  Therefore, all of the schools allow for relatively young children to be married.  Shafii and Hanbali schools believe adulthood is further established by reaching the age of 15.  The Maliki and Hanafi believe it is conclusively established at age 17 for a female.  However, these are upper limits.  The onset of menses, at whatever the age, is the lower limit.  See "Encyclopedia of Islamic Law, A compendium of the Major Schools"   (Adapted by Laleh Bakhtiar) Chicago: ABC International Group 1996, para 10.3.1.   See also Ahmad al-Misri, "The Reliance of the Traveler," Evanston: Sunna Books, 1991 at m8.2 "A guardian may not marry his prepubescent daughter to someone...."  Thus, the issue for determining a valid capacity for marriage isn't age: it is the onset of puberty. 

The Jafari school recognizes marriage at the age of nine for females, based on the example of Mohammad.   See "Encylcopedia of Islamic Law, A compendium of the Major Schools"   (Adapted by Laleh Bakhtiar) Chicago: ABC International Group 1996, para 10.3.1.  These schools teachings are all based on the deeds of Mohammad, who, (according to mainstream Islamic thinking) was the perfect example to follow.  His marriage to a very young Aisha is well established in multiple hadiths, including the following:

• Sahih al-Bukhari 3894, 3896, 5158
  
  Sahih Muslim 3310, 3311
  
  Sunan Abu Dawud 2116

Therefore, as Mohammad set the the perfect example, it is not surprising that Islamic law allows marriage to young girls-the only requirement being that they have achieved menses, or an age between 9-18 (depending on the Islamic legal school).

[Huw the Poo]

The Guardian statement you cite is a bit misleading

Heh, that's the Guardian for you. :D

[Emir Agic]

Therefore, as Mohammad set the the perfect example, it is not surprising that Islamic law allows marraige to young girls-the only requirement being that they have achieved menses, or an age between 9-18 (depending on the Islamic legal school).

Ok. Thank you for detailed explanation. Obviously, minimum age as requirement is not set in stone by islamic tradition but something which is up to every society to decide. Today, in almost all islamic countries minimum age requirement for marriage is way above 9.