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Started by Ian C, May 13, 2016, 01:07:15 PM

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Barthheart

Quote from: steve58 on June 07, 2016, 10:13:04 AM
Looks like Imperialgames has the current cheapest price ($29.20).  I've never used them (but HOI4 is really tempting me).  Seems they are Canadian so maybe one of the Canadians on the forums here can comment on them.

https://isthereanydeal.com/#/page:game/info?plain=heartsofironivcadetedition

Never heard of Imperialgames....  ???

steve58

Quote from: Barthheart on June 07, 2016, 10:21:08 AM
Quote from: steve58 on June 07, 2016, 10:13:04 AM
Looks like Imperialgames has the current cheapest price ($29.20).  I've never used them (but HOI4 is really tempting me).  Seems they are Canadian so maybe one of the Canadians on the forums here can comment on them.

https://isthereanydeal.com/#/page:game/info?plain=heartsofironivcadetedition

Never heard of Imperialgames....  ???

They are fairly new, but seem to have a good rep from what I see on the internetz...

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Nefaro

Quote from: Greybriar on June 07, 2016, 08:44:06 AM
When Hearts of Iron IV and all its DLC is priced at 75% off, I will buy it.

I'm with ya, brother.

HOIs have always had issues.  The AI, and it's lack of naval invasion coherence, being just the tip.  Wasn't the least surprised it had been delayed, which is probably a great thing, but I'd be very surprised if it still didn't need a good amount of refinement. 

Plus.. I don't really expect a well-conducted Pacific War to ever be a thing, and that's where I usually placed the most interest in the HOI series.  To be fair, that seems to be the ever-elusive gold sharting unicorn of WW2 grand strategy games.  Few, if any, have been able to model it well.

acctingman

I think I'm going to join the "I'm going to wait until they tweak the game" before I buy. I'm pretty sure sales of the game can be found a few months from now.

glen55

Quote from: jomni on June 07, 2016, 08:56:11 AM
Quote from: Ian C on June 07, 2016, 06:34:02 AM
Quote from: jomni on June 07, 2016, 06:22:29 AM

All this because there's no manual?

Yes, I know. I'm posting through necessity and I'm with you all 100% on this. It's not like they are strapped for cash and have only two people in the company that they couldn't write a manual. Why didn't they? Any official reply on this? I'm avoiding the extremism of their forums...

Most probably because a lot of the game mechanics will be changed along the way.

This.  I didn't get EU 3 until 3 or 4 years after it came out, then got a package with a bunch of expansions.  Trying to figure out how to play I got seriously stymied from the start because the very first paragraph in the manual just . . . wasn't true.  Those buttons they described weren't there, or if they were, they didn't work that way.

I remember with the early EUs raging because the manuals were so bad, but I have eventually come to realize that you just to figure out how to play some other way with Paradox games.  I can't fault them for not putting much work into a manual when it is going to have a limited shelf life due to patching that changes gameplay.

Fortunately, the Youtube videos, wikis and Paradox forums contain abundant answers.  Folks on the forum tend to be relatively kind to newbies because everybody realizes you have to figure out how to play somehow.
Things are more like they are now than they have ever been before.
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Millipede

Under options, there is a box labeled "Use NATO symbols" and right below it there's one labeled "Pause on notifications" and I've checked them both and nothing has changed. I've attempted to implement both during a game and while starting a new game with no joy.... am I doing something wrong?

Another thing that's bugging me is that  I can't figure out a way to disband whole units with a single click, instead it appears that you have to open up the unit and disband each sub-unit individually. That is just a touch tedious if you're trying to, as the USA, get rid of all your S-boats. That's a lot of subs to get rid of if you have to do it one at a time. Again, am I missing something obvious?

Silent Disapproval Robot

Looks like Italy got a new flag...



Ian C

#292
Quote from: Rayfer on June 06, 2016, 05:24:30 PM
Thanks for the link IC.....!

You're welcome!


Support Attack
I found that if you attack with a force from one region and you have friendly forces next to the region you are attacking, they automatically join in to support your attack if able. Note that all forces were in the same theatre group and the same army. It may work with allied forces in other groups.

See Allied Battle Plans
You can see allied AI Battle Plans if you check one of the the little boxes on bottom right of screen. This is very useful for supporting them and in fact, it's preferable IMO to setting up plans and the AI not supporting you, as in HOI 3.

And without the aid of a manual the detective work continues...

acctingman

I've been reading on the Paradox forums that people are playing as minor nations and holding out well against major powers. One person claimed they were playing as Latvia and holding their own against Russia by 1944. Of course, he/she could be full of dog doo-doo, but if that's true, that's a little disheartening.

Con

I have been poking around on it but honestly the lack of the manual is really off putting.  I dont have a lot of spare time during the day to play (but I can spend time reading).  I have started and stopped three games because of not knowing how to do simple tasks like transferring planes to wrong theater, not able to stop embarked troops from going to the wrong selected port.  Not having newly arrived troops attach themselves to an existing army.  Honestly these are basic things that even a quick start guide could address and is just plain frustrating when trying to get a game going.

I think once I understand it I will be satisfied with the game and the mechanics but it does piss me off that they by omission have steepened the learning curve for no value to playing enjoyment.

Con

Grim.Reaper

Quote from: acctingman on June 07, 2016, 03:06:37 PM
I've been reading on the Paradox forums that people are playing as minor nations and holding out well against major powers. One person claimed they were playing as Latvia and holding their own against Russia by 1944. Of course, he/she could be full of dog doo-doo, but if that's true, that's a little disheartening.

A lot of people claim a lot of things, some may or may not be true....and who knows how they played it...with historical settings?  easy mode? etc.  Although I read Paradox forums for the occasional helpful tip, I don't put much stock into all the hate....again, may be true....but I don't notice much of what other people say, maybe because I am not that good at it...don't know.

Grim.Reaper

#296
**Nevermind***

-budd-

I'm with the 75% off crowd. I havent tried HOI since number one. I like the idea of the game but like a few other games i own i would probably open it up and stare at it, then quit. Hopefully this one is more approachable without being too simplified. So far i'm 0 for 4 on paradox games, probably just gamer ADD.
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I don't buy all the wargames I want, I just buy more than I need.

Silent Disapproval Robot

#298
I think I've played it enough to become reasonably familiar with the new interface and the way things are meant to work.  Sadly, I've concluded that this version of HOI is simply not for me as I'm just not enjoying myself and I don't feel any of the sense of immersion that I got from the previous versions.  I cannot stand the way air and naval combat are handled.  They abstracted them far too much, supposedly in the name of streamlining the game but I find that they're a chaotic mess and it requires far more effort to constantly hop between the screens just to get a sense of what the hell is happening at any given time.  It's even more frustrating because they've stripped much of the player's ability to control this process.  I hate the fact that your planes and ships spread out over an entire region once combat kicks off and there's no easy way to spot them on a map and tell what's going on with them.   

Hopefully it'll get better down the road but until that time, I'm done with it.  Really wish I hadn't bought this one.

acctingman

I appreciate all the forum goers here who bought the game and have taken the time to give their opinions......they've saved me $30+