Just ordered...
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Processor: Liquid-Cooled Intel Core i9 10850K 3.6GHz (10 Cores)
Chipset: Intel Z490 Chipset
Memory: 64GB DDR4 - 4 x 16GB (4 slots total, 128GB Max)
Hard Drives: 1TB NVMe SSD + 6TB Hard Drive
Video Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 10GB GDDR6X
Power Supply: 750 Watt 80Plus Gold Power Supply
Network Connectivity: 1x Gigabit | WiFi 802.11ac | Bluetooth 5.1
Expansion Slots - Total(Free): 3(3) PCI-E x1 | 2(1) PCI-E x16 | 1(0) M.2 [KEY E] | 1(0) M.2 [KEY M]
Ports: 4x USB 2.0 | 2x USB 3.0 | 4x USB 3.2
Video Connectivity: 1x HDMI | 3x DisplayPort
I'm only proud of myself for not paying another $800 for a 3090. :uglystupid2:
Where'd you get it from? Two weeks and counting til I buy.
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Quote from: Gusington on November 13, 2020, 06:23:40 PM
Where'd you get it from? Two weeks and counting til I buy.
Newegg...my preferred supplier.
If you need help making room for the new PC, feel free to send me your "old" one. >:D
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 13, 2020, 06:21:30 PM
Just ordered...
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Processor: Liquid-Cooled Intel Core i9 10850K 3.6GHz (10 Cores)
Chipset: Intel Z490 Chipset
Memory: 64GB DDR4 - 4 x 16GB (4 slots total, 128GB Max)
Hard Drives: 1TB NVMe SSD + 6TB Hard Drive
Video Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 10GB GDDR6X
Power Supply: 750 Watt 80Plus Gold Power Supply
Network Connectivity: 1x Gigabit | WiFi 802.11ac | Bluetooth 5.1
Expansion Slots - Total(Free): 3(3) PCI-E x1 | 2(1) PCI-E x16 | 1(0) M.2 [KEY E] | 1(0) M.2 [KEY M]
Ports: 4x USB 2.0 | 2x USB 3.0 | 4x USB 3.2
Video Connectivity: 1x HDMI | 3x DisplayPort
I'm only proud of myself for not paying another $800 for a 3090. :uglystupid2:
NICE!!! :D I bet this will run the future sim pit just fine. Your wife will have to pull the eject handle to get you out. :)
I'm still leaning toward getting my first Alienware machine, with an NVidia 3080.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 13, 2020, 06:21:30 PM
Just ordered...
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Processor: Liquid-Cooled Intel Core i9 10850K 3.6GHz (10 Cores)
Chipset: Intel Z490 Chipset
Memory: 64GB DDR4 - 4 x 16GB (4 slots total, 128GB Max)
Hard Drives: 1TB NVMe SSD + 6TB Hard Drive
Video Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 10GB GDDR6X
Power Supply: 750 Watt 80Plus Gold Power Supply
Network Connectivity: 1x Gigabit | WiFi 802.11ac | Bluetooth 5.1
Expansion Slots - Total(Free): 3(3) PCI-E x1 | 2(1) PCI-E x16 | 1(0) M.2 [KEY E] | 1(0) M.2 [KEY M]
Ports: 4x USB 2.0 | 2x USB 3.0 | 4x USB 3.2
Video Connectivity: 1x HDMI | 3x DisplayPort
I'm only proud of myself for not paying another $800 for a 3090. :uglystupid2:
Jarhead -
I see you ordered 64GB RAM, and that makes me think that this is not just a pure gaming rig. In that case, just curious why you didn't go for an AMD Zen 3 5900x or 5950X. The new Zen 3 vs the prior Zen 2 blew Instructions Per Clock (IPC) way higher vs Intel and most benchmark sites I've monitored show it as the hands down winner for top performance (today) in the Intel vs. AMD war. Someone ordering a system with the awesome spec's you're getting generally has a reason for each component they get. I'll admit I was a little surprised to see a 750W PS vs 1000W, and you certainly won't need any dimmer switches for your home lights anymore. 8)
Just curiosity on my part - was there a specific reason why you didn't go Zen 3 with such a massively powerful set of components? (Nice rig regardless, btw!)
Quote from: 88mmkwk on November 13, 2020, 06:47:03 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 13, 2020, 06:21:30 PM
Just ordered...
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Processor: Liquid-Cooled Intel Core i9 10850K 3.6GHz (10 Cores)
Chipset: Intel Z490 Chipset
Memory: 64GB DDR4 - 4 x 16GB (4 slots total, 128GB Max)
Hard Drives: 1TB NVMe SSD + 6TB Hard Drive
Video Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 10GB GDDR6X
Power Supply: 750 Watt 80Plus Gold Power Supply
Network Connectivity: 1x Gigabit | WiFi 802.11ac | Bluetooth 5.1
Expansion Slots - Total(Free): 3(3) PCI-E x1 | 2(1) PCI-E x16 | 1(0) M.2 [KEY E] | 1(0) M.2 [KEY M]
Ports: 4x USB 2.0 | 2x USB 3.0 | 4x USB 3.2
Video Connectivity: 1x HDMI | 3x DisplayPort
I'm only proud of myself for not paying another $800 for a 3090. :uglystupid2:
Jarhead -
I see you ordered 64GB RAM, and that makes me think that this is not just a pure gaming rig. In that case, just curious why you didn't go for an AMD Zen 3 5900x or 5950X. The new Zen 3 vs the prior Zen 2 blew Instructions Per Clock (IPC) way higher vs Intel and most benchmark sites I've monitored show it as the hands down winner for top performance (today) in the Intel vs. AMD war. Someone ordering a system with the awesome spec's you're getting generally has a reason for each component they get. I'll admit I was a little surprised to see a 750W PS vs 1000W, and you certainly won't need any dimmer switches for your home lights anymore. 8)
Just curiosity on my part - was there a specific reason why you didn't go Zen 3 with such a massively powerful set of components? (Nice rig regardless, btw!)
It is absolutely just for gaming. Nothing else. Not even porn.
I guess I didn't look at the AMDs because I didn't know any better. I thought the power supply was light too, and I figure that is part of the reason why the price was reasonable and not too crazy/
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 13, 2020, 06:21:30 PM
Just ordered...
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Processor: Liquid-Cooled Intel Core i9 10850K 3.6GHz (10 Cores)
Chipset: Intel Z490 Chipset
Memory: 64GB DDR4 - 4 x 16GB (4 slots total, 128GB Max)
Hard Drives: 1TB NVMe SSD + 6TB Hard Drive
Video Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 10GB GDDR6X
Power Supply: 750 Watt 80Plus Gold Power Supply
Network Connectivity: 1x Gigabit | WiFi 802.11ac | Bluetooth 5.1
Expansion Slots - Total(Free): 3(3) PCI-E x1 | 2(1) PCI-E x16 | 1(0) M.2 [KEY E] | 1(0) M.2 [KEY M]
Ports: 4x USB 2.0 | 2x USB 3.0 | 4x USB 3.2
Video Connectivity: 1x HDMI | 3x DisplayPort
I'm only proud of myself for not paying another $800 for a 3090. :uglystupid2:
There are support groups for this sort of thing.
"The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys."
— Malcolm S. Forbes
I'm probably mere days away from ordering a system from Digital Storm with a 3070. Hell, maybe even tomorrow.
While we're all on the subject of new PC's, I would like a system that is pretty quiet, as in fans only being loud when they need to be. My current system has Standard Factory Chassis Fans and they seem to run all the time, even when all I'm doing is typing an Email.
What are you guys experience with fancy fan systems like, for instance, Corsairs? I don't give a flying **** about their pretty flashing colors. I just want to know if they're worth it for the quiet factor. Does anyone here have an opinion?
Quote from: Ubercat on November 13, 2020, 07:24:25 PM
I'm probably mere days away from ordering a system from Digital Storm with a 3070. Hell, maybe even tomorrow.
While we're all on the subject of new PC's, I would like a system that is pretty quiet, as in fans only being loud when they need to be. My current system has Standard Factory Chassis Fans and they seem to run all the time, even when all I'm doing is typing an Email.
What are you guys experience with fancy fan systems like, for instance, Corsairs? I don't give a flying **** about their pretty flashing colors. I just want to know if they're worth it for the quiet factor. Does anyone here have an opinion?
Word on the street is liquid cooled is the only way to go.
Even I'm getting liquid cooled, getting over my fear of getting a liquid cooled machine shipped and everything.
'Not even for porn.'
Bwahaha you kill me
That's what I thought. I talked to a DS tech a couple of times recently and it seems that only an extremely expensive liquid cooling setup is going to make a significant difference. I'm trying to find out if there's a happy medium with intelligent fan management of some sort.
The only rig that ever had fans that were so loud they became annoying is my current one, an ASUS. But they were annoying immediately, as soon as I set the machine up, and probably the only complaint I ever had with this machine that was even remotely serious.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the purchase didn't go through and after spending literally 2 hours on various calls with Newegg and the bank, I threw in the towel. I closed three accounts with the bank and in a fit of rage, closed my Newegg account too.
Amazing how such joy can so quickly turn into complete sorrow.
In any event...I'm a firm believer in the old adage that everything happens for a reason.
What?! wtf
Quote from: Gusington on November 13, 2020, 08:25:20 PM
What?! wtf
I'll make a really long story short...
I made the purchase by applying for a credit card with a 12-month deferred zero interest offer. The application was approved and the purchase was made. In a colossally illogical move, the bank declined the purchase based on suspected fraud. After clearing that up with the bank and unfreezing the new account, I went to complete the order with Newegg, but Newegg insisted on having the card expiration date and the CVV code, which as a new account, I obviously did not have. Therefore, the purchase could not go through and despite being told different things by the bank and Newegg, the final result was that I would need to wait until I receive the card in 8 to 14 days, or just use a different card which totally defeats the purpose.
This, in and of itself is annoying, but the customer service representative I had the misfortune of getting at Newegg was such a nasty bitch, that she just totally set me off. I'm still thinking of ways I can take her complete lack of courtesy and assistance out on the company.
Here you go. (https://www.digitalstorm.com/desktops.asp)
That is quite the tale. Sorry :-[
I reckon I'll be getting a rig with similar specs..........................in about 10-15 years!
Maybe for the best. You'll probably find a better Black Friday deal. \m/
I just wrote a letter on my firm letterhead to Fred Chang, CEO of Newegg. Let's see what he says.
My cousin has been trying to get a 3080 since release with no luck.
He finally said "F it" and grabbed a 3090.
I will be benefiting from this by picking up a used 2080TI for about the price I got my 1070 at, which I will trickle down to my wife's and kid's computer.
Congrats om the rig JH...hoping to build myself a new one early next year.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 13, 2020, 06:21:30 PM
Just ordered...
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Processor: Liquid-Cooled Intel Core i9 10850K 3.6GHz (10 Cores)
Chipset: Intel Z490 Chipset
Memory: 64GB DDR4 - 4 x 16GB (4 slots total, 128GB Max)
Hard Drives: 1TB NVMe SSD + 6TB Hard Drive
Video Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 10GB GDDR6X
Power Supply: 750 Watt 80Plus Gold Power Supply
Network Connectivity: 1x Gigabit | WiFi 802.11ac | Bluetooth 5.1
Expansion Slots - Total(Free): 3(3) PCI-E x1 | 2(1) PCI-E x16 | 1(0) M.2 [KEY E] | 1(0) M.2 [KEY M]
Ports: 4x USB 2.0 | 2x USB 3.0 | 4x USB 3.2
Video Connectivity: 1x HDMI | 3x DisplayPort
I'm only proud of myself for not paying another $800 for a 3090. :uglystupid2:
Just out of curiosity, what was the price for a configuration like that, if you don't mind sharing?
$3,089. Seems to be a very good value.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 14, 2020, 04:49:35 AM
$3,089. Seems to be a very good value.
Yep, not bad....was thinking it would be more but haven't researched a new computer in awhile so wasn't sure on latest pricing.
With the easy to install All in One liquid coolers becoming mainstream, there's no excuse not to put a new cpu under liquid cooling.
Sorry about that Jarhead. I've had similar run-ins with customer service types over the years. Don't let it get to you (at least too much). Full Disclaimer: I'm completely unable to follow my own advice. :-[
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 13, 2020, 08:41:45 PM
This, in and of itself is annoying, but the customer service representative I had the misfortune of getting at Newegg was such a nasty bitch, that she just totally set me off. I'm still thinking of ways I can take her complete lack of courtesy and assistance out on the company.
What kind of shit was she saying?
Quote from: Ubercat on November 14, 2020, 08:52:54 AM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 13, 2020, 08:41:45 PM
This, in and of itself is annoying, but the customer service representative I had the misfortune of getting at Newegg was such a nasty bitch, that she just totally set me off. I'm still thinking of ways I can take her complete lack of courtesy and assistance out on the company.
What kind of shit was she saying?
So first of all, she was extremely resistant and condescending from the get go. There was no apology, or sorry that happened, or let me see what we can do to help you. Immediately when I explained that the bank manager had suggested that I get Newegg support on the line with them so they could proceed with the transaction, she said, "I've been doing this for three years and I know talking to the bank is not going to change anything." She said, "you absolutely cannot proceed with the purchase, our system will not permit it." When I again said, well, I'm calling the bank with you on the line, she said, "I'll only hold for a few minutes..." and when I questioned why just a few minutes, she again said, "because you cant make the purchase unless you give me a different form of payment."
It was just a really bad attitude and "you can't do this" from the very beginning. Meanwhile, nearly everyone I spoke with at the bank was accommodating and helpful. None of them said we can't make this happen. They all said, let's call Newegg together, we can fix this. This person has no business in customer relations or in sales. It's like she was doing everything in her power to not complete the transaction. I'm actually still livid.
Wow. Guess I should have read the entire thread. Missed some important stuff.
Sorry for missing this deal JH. I have to admit I'm shocked at NewEgg. I imagine you've probably bought a ton of stuff through them over the years, to have that "level" of customer service for a significant purchase.
That said I've noticed the past 3-4 years NE has taken the Amazon approach of using 3rd party sellers. I wonder if this has prompted the drop in CS quality due to the amount of trash both in and out they get.
this incident and the 3rd party reliance will make me question making purchases from them going forward. I would prefer to stand by companies who sell on their own and take responsibility for the sales transaction.
That is horrible. You would think businesses would be doing whatever they can to make a sale especially with all the stuff that's going on :idiot2:
May I suggest Falcon-NW. I'm now on my fourth Falcon Rig since 2008. This is my second Tiki small form factor model and my previous Tiki with liquid cooling I purchased in 2016. They ARE more expensive than other companies but their purchasing and customer services as well as warranty are second to none. My past and present experiences with them have been flawless with zero problems. If you don't like a SFF Model like the Tiki their Talon Mid-Size Tower model is highly rated.
My current Tiki is almost a year old now: I paid $3,919. Specs are:
Intel Core i9-9900KS with 8 Cores-16 Threads-5.0GHz
EVGA 650 Watt Power Supply
Asetek Liquid Cooling 550LC
Asus ROG Strix Z390-I Gaming Motherboard
32GB-2x16GB-2666MHz Memory
NVIDIA RTX 2080 Super-8GB
Samsung 970 EVO Plus-2TB SSD-M.2-PCI Express
Win 10 Pro
BTW, I noticed someone here had posted a thread on buying a new monitor, so I thought I'd put this up too. I just purchased a Dell S3220DGF 32" 1800R Curved monitor. I was using a Dell 27" Ultrasharp but the last few months I've been getting headaches and some dizziness from it especially playing Flight Sims and FPS games. The 27" only had a 60HZ response time. Since the 60Hz proved to be the bottleneck for my system I wanted to give a curved monitor with a faster response time a try. Saw the S3220DGF on the Dell website and nothing but glowing reviews. Then went to the Best Buy site and saw the same very positive reviews which made me a little suspect.
I tried a friends ultrawide 21:9 34" monitor and I like the wider screen but missed the loss of screen height from my 27". So since I was worried about going to a curved monitor and wanted to keep the 16:9 aspect ratio with 2560x1440 this Dell was exactly what I was looking for. It normally sells for $450 and they were having a weekend sale with a price of $330. It's not officially G-Sync compatible as it supports Freesync but it does work with G-Sync using a DP cable. It's performance for the price is astounding and I'm getting 165 FPS on IL-2 BOS and other games across the board. With the 1800R curve there was no adjustment at all and my headaches and dizziness have disappeared. The compact base on this Dell also is rock-solid and compact enough to fit on a smaller desk as well. I'm sitting about 2&1/2 feet from the monitor with no problems.
I consider this monitor the best bargain going right now and if you can catch it on sale it's a steal. For audition purchases due to Best Buy's holiday terms you can return it as late as Jan 16. So if you're looking for great monitor for a great price give it a shot. Another friend tried it and has now bought three of them for a triple-monitor setup. Best Buy seems to put it on sale every few weeks so you may have to check the website often to catch the best price.
Didn't mean to hijack your post JH, but I thought this was a great place and time to add to this subject as long as were talking new equipment.
That is a great price. I may actually get that setup on Black Friday, instead of getting an Alienware. I'll pick one up for you too JH 😎
Quote from: Gusington on November 14, 2020, 03:47:25 PM
That is a great price. I may actually get that setup on Black Friday, instead of getting an Alienware. I'll pick one up for you too JH 😎
It will be interesting to see how much of a price difference you see waiting for Black Friday events. It seems nowadays different sellers are perpetually always running sales throughout the year so very curious if things will actually be drastically cheaper on that day. Truly hope you are able to pick up some good deals....I guess we will see your results in a couple of weeks:)
I may add from long including current (at this moment) experience:
1. FalconNW systems are pretty quiet even with a total fan setup. Maybe because they pack in a lot of fans, so there's less work per fan. This also helps their systems overclock in a rock-solidly safe way. (But they can do liquid cooling, too, obviously, and they themselves generally prefer it.) Some of you may remember that I currently own a MachV system that I nicknamed The Presence because it's a 70 lb matt-black monolith. (Save money, don't get the fancy paint, though their paint systems are truly amazing.) It's not much louder than my Playstation3.
2.) FalconNW tech support is so good that even their sales people gladly tech support. Not that I've ever needed much with them, and it was always something I was trying to do or something I had done wrongly that needed fixing. I've owned their systems for going on 20 years now.
3.) Out of curiosity I looked up my invoice for The Presence, and including shipping from Oregon to West TN, it ran around $6500. (I already had a monitor.) I think that included a 3-year warranty, too, but I don't recall for sure. (Which is just giving them money, since their units rarely fail.) That was for a computer that topped all performance specs in its day -- mid-December, 2012.
Almost 8 years later, and the only thing I've had to upgrade was the gfx card (to a near-top tier 1080). Total expenses so far, not counting replacing the top fan a few times (due to my own negligence in not cleaning the blades enough), average just over $865 a year. I fully expect it to last another two years before performance becomes any problem, and even THEN I might only need a new near-top gfx card again.
I've had three Falcon units since 2000. (Maybe longer; when was Windows ME released...??) One of them, a desktop replacement laptop system, is sitting behind my chair (doing nothing to be honest, it really is obsolescent now). In fact that laptop has a funny entry in their photo spreads, because it was so gleamy shiny black that they couldn't get lights to limn it enough to photograph it properly! It either didn't show up, or the reflections of the lights off its surface would ruin the shot. Eventually they settled for taking a photo of trying to take a photo of it! :2funny:
If I was dropping cash on an epic sim pit, I would DEFINITELY recommend saving up to add a Falcon later (if not at first). The Falcon guys build systems because they love being the best, and they know what they're doing to squeeze all performance safely out of a system. My former pupil (who was a legitimate kid genius) would build his own tower systems to compete with my Falcon Laptop, and all that happened was he burned out his towers in a few months and had to rebuild them from scratch. Which was fun and instructive, sure, but not very cost effective for the performance. ;)
The system I was going to get from Newegg is a CLX pre-build. I went to CLX's website directly and was able to build a better rig at a very competitive price. This is with the AMD Ryzen 9 5900x and a 1000w PSU. The one on Newegg just had 750w. I told one of the customer service reps about it and he thought that was way too low for the system. He is going to look into it.
Anyway, I haven't pulled the trigger yet...but if I do, it will probably be direct from these guys.
Have you ever had a CLX before?
I have fantasized about a Falcon NW forever but their prices are always just out of reach for what I want.
Jarhead, I built the following this year:
Ryzen 9 3900X
Gigabyte X570 Aorus Ultra
64 GB GSkill DDR-2133
970 EVO 500GB
EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2
DEEPCOOL Castle 360EX
BeQuiet case
And loving the system.
One word of warning, I went through three AIO's until I found one that would properly handle the Ryzen 9. There's a huge Reddit thread from AMD concerning how the chip spikes that drives cooling crazy with fans spinning up.
Quote from: WYBaugh on November 14, 2020, 10:08:58 PM
Jarhead, I built the following this year:
Ryzen 9 3900X
Gigabyte X570 Aorus Ultra
64 GB GSkill DDR-2133
970 EVO 500GB
EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2
DEEPCOOL Castle 360EX
BeQuiet case
And loving the system.
One word of warning, I went through three AIO's until I found one that would properly handle the Ryzen 9. There's a huge Reddit thread from AMD concerning how the chip spikes that drives cooling crazy with fans spinning up.
I have this in the prospective build: CLX Quench 360 Closed Liquid Cooler and 7x Standard 120mm Case Fans. The fans are approximately 23 db.
So, what does 6500 bucks get you? Diamond shafted cooling fans with 24 karat prisms to offer you a light show in your room?
I hope this price isn't just for a tower and its contents, because that would be either a total ripoff or the prices in the US for hardware are crazy at the moment.
I've recently built my rig for 1050 euros, which did include water cooling, but no videocard (kept my 1080 for now, anticipating the 3000 series) and I used my Fractal D4 case again.
But if I would take into account a 3080, new monitor, headset, keyboard and mouse, I would still remain well under 3000 euros.
6500 seems rather excessive, but fitting for the title's thread however! 😊😊
Quote from: Yskonyn on November 15, 2020, 01:37:25 AM
So, what does 6500 bucks get you? Diamond shafted cooling fans with 24 karat prisms to offer you a light show in your room?
I hope this price isn't just for a tower and its contents, because that would be either a total ripoff or the prices in the US for hardware are crazy at the moment.
I've recently built my rig for 1050 euros, which did include water cooling, but no videocard (kept my 1080 for now, anticipating the 3000 series) and I used my Fractal D4 case again.
But if I would take into account a 3080, new monitor, headset, keyboard and mouse, I would still remain well under 3000 euros.
6500 seems rather excessive, but fitting for the title's thread however! 😊😊
I agree. I just don't understand that kind of a price, especially for less than top of the line specs. I can see paying a premium for best parts, professional assembly and warranty support, but that price still feels extremely excessive to me.
$3,000 is by far the most I've ever considered spending on a rig, but at that price it's pretty god damn loaded.
This thread makes me realize that my rig is now 5 or 6 years old....wow. It is still super for all of my games, but I don't do flight sims other than IL-2, nor do I do VR, yet, so it still seems excessively powered. I have upgraded the RAM once to 32 Gigs and the GPU twice. I guess I should think about getting a new one...? My son and I built mine and one for him and it was great fun.....and CHEAP. I will do the same again when the time comes. Too easy to build yourself. He still has his rig and has done much the same, but he has upgraded to liquid cooling as well as upgraded CPU, GPU and RAM. And we have both added additional SSDs. And I put a cool sticker on mine.
My standard is to buy a rig every 5 years.
If you build it yourself, you can save a ton of money or spend the same but get even more over the top parts. My system I built last year had 2500.00 for just the gpu alone...the 25gig RTX titan.
Trek, I'll echo your enthusiasm about a recent acquisition of a Dell S3220DGF 32" 1800R. I also got mine through Best Buy four months ago for $399 ($379 after applying the 5% Best Buy credit card discount), and it's the first time in years I've had a monitor upgrade that I was really thrilled about for less than $500.
I used to build my own rig, back in the day. As work got busier and I had two young kids, I decided to outsource that and just swap out components as I go. It's still cheaper, but I'm definitely happy with last year's high-end components, as opposed to the really cutting edge stuff.
Of course, upgrading my PSU a few months ago, I somehow managed to fry BOTH my SSD and my HD. Totally bricked them. So much for on-site back-up technologies...
It's a shame that the NewEgg rep treated you that way, JH. Fraud is an increasing fact of life in the mail-order business, and profiles like yours (newly opened account, no CVV info available yet, etc.) probably have much stricter protocols for what they can't work out than mail-order businesses that have a larger share of low-dollar transactions. Electronics and AV businesses are a magnet for fraudsters.
Even if her hands were tied, there was still no reason for the NewEgg staffer to treat you that way. Maybe she was having a bad day, maybe NE is struggling to train new reps in a remote-employment capacity, or maybe NE is hiring poor staff these days. Maybe even all three at once?
I know it's no consolation to you--you just wanted a Mustang Convertible fancy new rig. These things are seldom about us, even if they feel very personal. I hope you love the new system you do get!
If she'd been more sympathetic but still unable to help you, do you think you would have chosen to just wait 2 weeks to make the purchase happen if they could have given you a lock on the order?
Quote from: FarAway Sooner on November 16, 2020, 02:53:28 PM
If she'd been more sympathetic but still unable to help you, do you think you would have chosen to just wait 2 weeks to make the purchase happen if they could have given you a lock on the order?
Most likely. I was only mildly annoyed at the time I got to her. She totally put me into red line territory. I mean, what you mentioned totally would have placated me. "Sorry sir, I really understand your frustration. How about if we just lock in your order until you receive your card and are able to supply the necessary information..."
Problem solved.
Yup. Those are the kinds of lost opportunities that service team managers and senior management tear their hair out about. Again, it comes back to hiring the right people, and giving them the right tools (systems and training).
Some businesses (e.g., American health care insurance providers, Oracle, etc.) build their model around building a captive audience and then giving them crappy service to minimize expenses. For everybody else, you've got to treat your customers well! Their loss, as well as yours...
Quote from: Yskonyn on November 15, 2020, 01:37:25 AM
So, what does 6500 bucks get you? Diamond shafted cooling fans with 24 karat prisms to offer you a light show in your room?
I hope this price isn't just for a tower and its contents, because that would be either a total ripoff or the prices in the US for hardware are crazy at the moment.
Just for the tower and its contents, no light show, plus shipping across most of the US (and I think a 3 year warranty, which I never needed). That was back in December 2012.
Quote6500 seems rather excessive, but fitting for the title's thread however! 😊😊
Heh! By the time performance requires me to trade up, I fully expect it'll be around $680 a year or less, hassle free peak performance, and expert customer service for when I make a rare goof of my own: never once in 20 years (possibly more like 21) has any of my three Falcons ever failed me, and I've upgraded gfx cards exactly once during that time (a few years ago).
To be clear, that's three sequentially owned computers, with nothing else bought in between to replace them. There was never any need.
Right now, MachVs aren't available, being in the middle of a long-term redesign and testing phase, so I can't quote a comparable cutting edge system from them. A very top-line performance Talon would currently run $16,500ish, freight included, 3 year warranty standard now. (This includes some things I wouldn't bother with like two 8TB SSDs when a lesser set or even one would be fine, plus some gaming extras I might or might not include myself, and a top-line monitor that I don't need and wouldn't buy, but not including a bunch of extra data drives, nor professional grade GPU(s), nor extra monitors, nor paint jobs or other extra-cost aesthetics.)
QuotePower Supply EVGA® SuperNOVA P2 1200 Watt
ASUS® ROG Strix TRX40-XE
AMD Threadripper™ 3990x 64-Core - 2.9GHz to 4.3GHz
Asetek® Liquid Cooling 680LS 280MM {plus a standard fan set for the tower of course}
G.Skill Ripjaws V 128GB (8x16GB) - 2666MHz
EVGA® GeForce® RTX 3090 24GB
Creative® Sound Blaster AE-9
Operating System Drive SABRENT® Rocket Q 8TB - M.2 SSD - PCI Express
Data Drive - M.2 SOCKET SABRENT® Rocket Q 8TB - M.2 SSD - PCI Express
SATA CableMod® SATA Power & Data
External Optical Drive Pioneer Slim Portable 6x - Blu-ray - Writer
64-Bit Operating System Microsoft Windows 10 Pro
USB Rescue Drive
Warranty 3 Years Parts & Labor
Logitech® G910 Orion Spark - Mechanical
G.SKILL RIPJAWS MX780-RGB Laser Gaming Mouse
Asus® PG35VQ G-SYNC 35" monitor - 3440x1440 - 200Hz {they offer a larger curved one but I doubt it would fit on my desk}
Logitech® Z625 2.1 speakers
Logitech® G935 Wireless Gaming Headset
APC SurgeArrest® Performance 11-Outlet
If I dialed back things I have no real need for (because I already have those things, or don't need some extras), I could (arguably) improve performance on the SSD (though it would need the boost, being both the data and OS drive), and still drop the cost to $10K (freight included) with peak performance maintained.
There's probably no need for a MachV unit anymore, come to think of it. ;) The Tiki and Fragbox builds each very effectively fill the niche the Talon used to fill, and the Talon upgrades to MachV quality now (which it was already close to).
Or if I dialed back to just under top tier, I could get 95% of the same performance (or maybe better), for around $6900 freight included.
QuotePower Supply EVGA® SuperNOVA P2 1200 Watt
ASUS® ROG Strix TRX40-XE
AMD Threadripper™ 3960X 24-Core - 3.8GHz to 4.5GHz
Asetek® Liquid Cooling 680LS 280MM {plus a standard fan set for the tower of course}
G.Skill Ripjaws V 128GB (8x16GB) - 2666MHz
EVGA® GeForce® RTX 3080 10GB
Western Digital® Blue™ SN550 500GB - M.2 SSD - PCI Express
External Optical Drive Pioneer Slim Portable 6x - Blu-ray - Writer
64-Bit Operating System Microsoft Windows 10 Pro
USB Rescue Drive
Warranty 3 Years Parts & Labor
That's probably a 10+ year computer again, allowing for one new gfx card six or seven years down the line; and if I had any need to upgrade I'd be looking at this.
Could I get those parts and a whitebox myself? Of course. Cheaper? Substantially, I expect. Could I put it together myself? Probably, although it would give me a migraine! (Even changing out a top fan when I forget to clean it for too long, gives me a splitting headache.)
Could I make it run as fast and
solidly so as FNW does? Absolutely not. Nor would I get their customer support for years and years, which I would undoubtedly need plenty of in this situation.
So 19,500 bucks (approx) over 20 years?
That's almost a thousand bucks per year. No way I spend that on my PC and I always have a high-end system which runs rock solid.
I spend 1000 over every 4 years or so.
But you make a valid point about wanting top notch hassle free customer care. I know my way around hardware and build everything myself, but if you do not paying a fee for some insurance to keep it running over its lifecycle is what I would do as well.
Still, they don't fool around with their prices! The day I tell my wife I have ordered a PC for the price of a used car would be the day we sign divorce papers.
Going on what Pratt posted there's really no need for the gigantic towers anymore unless you want to bling it out.
I love my Silverstone Fortress case but it's outlived it's usefulness. I no longer need a huge amount of expansion ports (I would say the max I would need is three, and can probably get by with two) I don't need a gazillion drives as I can get by with a small sub TB M.2, a 1-2 TB SSD game drive and a 6TB platter general storage drive. I could theoretically cut that out too if I ever get off my arse and get a NAS box like I've been wanting. Also might get an external dvd/cd writer but I barely use my physical drive any more too. Can't quite cut that cord though as I do still enjoy music.
When I build my next box I'll probably spec it for an AIO water cooler and able to fit a 3090, even though I only plan for a 3080. That should allow me a much small case that I can realistically put on my desk or a shelf again.
I hate huge towers but for gaming they are somewhat necessary. I've always wanted the smallest tower I could get - but the rig I am about to move on from is probably the biggest yet :/
Hoping the next one can be 2/3 the size.
Quote from: Yskonyn on November 17, 2020, 02:54:02 AM
So 19,500 bucks (approx) over 20 years?
Sadly, no, that's probably still only 10+ years. The cost difference between that and $6900 is bloodiest edgiest hardware (and more of it) vs almost-bleeding-edge performance, which is functionally indistinguishable from the tippy toppiest tier. (Plus getting all the other useful stuff for a computer like keyboard and mouse and monitor and speakers, but most people have those already. I'm still using the keyboard I got with my original Falcon 20 years ago, right this moment, for example. Don't need another one yet, though the right-shift key tends to stick sometimes.)
Quote from: Yskonyn on November 17, 2020, 02:54:02 AMI spend 1000 over every 4 years or so.
Averaging $250 a year is certainly very good! O0 :notworthy:
Quote from: Yskonyn on November 17, 2020, 02:54:02 AMBut you make a valid point about wanting top notch hassle free customer care. I know my way around hardware and build everything myself, but if you do not paying a fee for some insurance to keep it running over its lifecycle is what I would do as well.
There's also the advantage of not needing to re-set up my system (hardware and/or software) every few years. Basically I'm paying for someone else's expertise, and I can put my mental ergs toward something else. But obviously, anyone with the aptitude and enjoyment of building a stable and performance rig should be doing that: save money doing something you love, amen! :notworthy: (And it'll be damn well better than a Dell, or whatever those cow computers were from that box store now out of business -- dang what were those? They used to give me migraines trying tech support them for family and friends of family. I suspect my brain has burned the neurons out of my head which stored details about them, trying to save me from the trauma. :hide: )
Quote from: Yskonyn on November 17, 2020, 02:54:02 AMStill, they don't fool around with their prices! The day I tell my wife I have ordered a PC for the price of a used car would be the day we sign divorce papers.
Or for a new Kia!
Besides, that's what sim pits are for. ("Sim" probably translates to "money" in some language or another... ;) )
Quote from: Gusington on November 17, 2020, 09:48:47 AM
I hate huge towers but for gaming they are somewhat necessary. I've always wanted the smallest tower I could get - but the rig I am about to move on from is probably the biggest yet :/
Hoping the next one can be 2/3 the size.
They're really not necessary; the Tiki and Fragbox form factors demonstrate that. Those things are practically portable: the whole point to a 'fragbox' is to bring it with you to a LAN party, and a Tiki is basically a PS3 standup.
The stuff in my black monolith could probably fit in a much smaller box. BUT the upside to the larger box, is better cooling.
A little counter-intuitively, though, smaller computers physically tend to cost more for the same performance, laptops being a stereotypical example. The proportional cost increase for equivalent performance isn't nearly the same for 'console' or 'fragbox' sized systems, but it's there.
To me, better cooling in a non-fragbox = necessary.
Quote from: jamus34 on November 17, 2020, 08:56:49 AM
Going on what Pratt posted there's really no need for the gigantic towers anymore unless you want to bling it out.
Yeah, I hadn't really noticed until I went to build a Talon, but the supersized boxes are kind of pointless now. They were getting near that way already when I bought that one: there was no reason really why the same hardware couldn't have been put in a Talon sized box.
My guess would be that Falcon may reinstate them quietly for professional purposes (like render farms), which need a lot of extra hardware and cooling in proportion, so would benefit from the size.
Quote from: jamus34 on November 17, 2020, 08:56:49 AMAlso might get an external dvd/cd writer but I barely use my physical drive any more too. Can't quite cut that cord though as I do still enjoy music.
Now that the drive on my PS3 is dying, which was an EXCELLENT Sony Blu player, I'm glad I invested in a Blu drive for the Presence long ago. I've had to run some DVDs on it recently that the PS3 just won't play anymore. (It still plays Blus fine, but I have to suppose that day is coming so I should be preparing for the switch.) Plus with reliable open source software like VLC, I can buy non region-A/1 discs if necessary. I'd definitely be including an external Blu drive; I still buy series and films that way (and on DVD where unavailable on Blu), and I have an extensive collection of other things I still watch occasionally.
Quote from: Gusington on November 17, 2020, 08:35:21 PM
To me, better cooling in a non-fragbox = necessary.
You've got more room in a larger box for any 'surgery', too (be that elective or emergency, so to speak). My headaches swapping out my new gfx card two or three years ago would have been much worse in a box I couldn't get my hands properly into.
Yes - I don't appreciate the big box size as much as I should when it comes to taking out and putting in new parts. I haven't done it in a long time, but I still remember how annoying it could have been with more limited space.
Its the reason I always build in a bigger tower: easier to work in and more space for air to get proper cooling. I am alergic to noisy computers. Ever since I bought my Fractal Designs D4 case my PC builds have been super quiet. It's big and bulky, but I only drag it to another place twice a year or so.
With a small form factor you will need to accept more noise, accept lower performance or go into 'designer budget' pricing to alleviate one or both of these.
Its easy to see where prices like 6500 bucks come from in this 'case' . (Grin)
I also like showing off the internals with a glass plate and so a bigger tower is easier to nicely tidy up inside. The only frustration I have at the moment is that the Asus (my brand of choice for main hardware) lightcontroller software takes up a constant 3% cpu.
So I've deleted it and only run NZXT's RGB for now.
I think I've found the perfect tower for Gus.
Damn thing is huge!
Literally twice my height.
One week to go to Black Friday! My younger daughter is almost as excited as me to inherit my current rig.
Quote from: steve58 on November 18, 2020, 09:58:47 AM
I think I've found the perfect tower for Gus.
Damn thing is huge!
It could double as a small house for Gus and his little family. Brilliant.
I would add some legs at the bottom for support. If it fell-over on you, you could be crushed. :wow:
There's barely anything left of me, body or soul, as it is.
BTW my family is not as wee as I. My younger daughter (12) is on her way to being the tallest in the family at 5'8" or something.
Her older sister, at 5'3", is pissed.
Right there with you Gus. I never cleared 5'7" myself, but at least I grew to be taller than my older brother, which killed him. I used to love dancing with tall women. ::)
Quote from: Sir Slash on November 18, 2020, 10:16:40 AM
I would add some legs at the bottom for support. If it fell-over on you, you could be crushed. :wow:
I was thinking more like flying arches or other Gothic supports!
Quote from: Yskonyn on November 18, 2020, 01:31:11 AM
I am alergic to noisy computers. Ever since I bought my Fractal Designs D4 case my PC builds have been super quiet.
The extra size does help in a number of ways, not only allowing more room for quieter cooling factors (like liquid setups), but also burying various fans farther away from being heard.
Are you my older brother, Slash?
I am from that race of giants dwelling on the North Sea coast, at 6'6". I guess that's what 5000 years symbiosis with cows is doing to you.
Could be Gus. Does your Mother have any pics of pugs around? ^-^
She...doesn't. Well I guess that settles it then.
Lotti are you...Dutch? I've only met a few Dutch people in person but they have all been ~6'4" or taller.
I am 6'4" :peace:
^I understand your plight. Being 6'4" in Holland is like being 5'6" here in America.
Quote from: Gusington on November 18, 2020, 03:35:18 PM
Lotti are you...Dutch? I've only met a few Dutch people in person but they have all been ~6'4" or taller.
My pre-Napoleonic forefathers lived at the Ems estuary, and were all called Egbert.
That area has been part of the sovereignties of the Chauks, Anglian Frisians, Old Ambt under the Emperor, Stad en Lande, and currently the Netherlands.
I feel more European than Dutch, though not for love of EU policies, but because my media influx is strongly German, French and Belgian, and those countries are an integral part of the history of my world. I travel there, know people, and I feel we ought to be good friends, politically. I cannot vote for Berlin politics, but they influence my world more than The Hague.
That...is a very detailed answer :o
I'm 5'8" and my daughter has just got a bit taller, maybe 5'9" and counting. She is forever reminding me of it. >:D :knuppel2:
Still, I'm taller than my son for the moment and he's taller than the Boss who is only taller than the cats!! :DD
Quote from: Gusington on November 18, 2020, 04:31:27 PM
That...is a very detailed answer :o
( ... I understand your plight. Being 6'4" in Holland is like being 5'6" here in America ... )
The answer I gave tried to make clear that I don't live in Holland.
Holland is a pirate's nest in the Rhine Meuse Scheldt delta.
I'm 6'4" and don't know who my forefather's were
^The majority of my forefathers were 6'+. I had one great grandfather, Abraham, who was 5'1". There is a picture of him ~1910 sitting in front of my great grandmother. She is standing. He sat because she was taller than him and it embarrassed him. His blood is thick.
Quote from: Lotti Fuehrscheim on November 18, 2020, 04:23:45 PM
Quote from: Gusington on November 18, 2020, 03:35:18 PM
Lotti are you...Dutch? I've only met a few Dutch people in person but they have all been ~6'4" or taller.
My pre-Napoleonic forefathers lived at the Ems estuary, and were all called Egbert.
That area has been part of the sovereignties of the Chauks, Anglian Frisians, Old Ambt under the Emperor, Stad en Lande, and currently the Netherlands.
I feel more European than Dutch, though not for love of EU policies, but because my media influx is strongly German, French and Belgian, and those countries are an integral part of the history of my world. I travel there, know people, and I feel we ought to be good friends, politically. I cannot vote for Berlin politics, but they influence my world more than The Hague.
Seems you might be proto-English then! O0 ;)
Quote from: Gusington on November 18, 2020, 05:35:18 PM
^The majority of my forefathers were 6'+. I had one great grandfather, Abraham, who was 5'1". There is a picture of him ~1910 sitting in front of my great grandmother. She is standing. He sat because she was taller than him and it embarrassed him. His blood is thick.
That's quite unusual to have many forefathers 6'+ as most people in Europe - apart from the Dutch and Ancient Sardinians - until this century were rather short by comparison... poor diet I suppose?
What do you make of this...
https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/a-giant-surprise-photos-of-skeletons-of-7-9-foot-giants-mounds-stonework-jim-vieira/
Well depending on who you ask, my ratio of 'Europeanness' can vary - I am mostly Russian/Ukrainian with some Polish/German and even some Lithuanian mixed in.
Quote from: Gusington on November 18, 2020, 08:03:36 PM
Well depending on who you ask, my ratio of 'Europeanness' can vary - I am mostly Russian/Ukrainian with some Polish/German and even some Lithuanian mixed in.
And I thought you were a bloody Yank!!! Who knew... ;) ;D
Quote from: Boggit on November 18, 2020, 05:36:42 PM
Quote from: Lotti Fuehrscheim on November 18, 2020, 04:23:45 PM
Quote from: Gusington on November 18, 2020, 03:35:18 PM
Lotti are you...Dutch? I've only met a few Dutch people in person but they have all been ~6'4" or taller.
My pre-Napoleonic forefathers lived at the Ems estuary, and were all called Egbert.
That area has been part of the sovereignties of the Chauks, Anglian Frisians, Old Ambt under the Emperor, Stad en Lande, and currently the Netherlands.
I feel more European than Dutch, though not for love of EU policies, but because my media influx is strongly German, French and Belgian, and those countries are an integral part of the history of my world. I travel there, know people, and I feel we ought to be good friends, politically. I cannot vote for Berlin politics, but they influence my world more than The Hague.
Seems you might be proto-English then! O0 ;)
Heard a lecture today about the disappearance of the Frisian language in the lands North of the city of Groningen. That started in the 14th century, and was complete after the 15th century. It was replaced by Lower German that had become the standard language from the Eastern Netherlands to the Baltic.
During this development the Frisian name Eppe was often changed to a similar sounding regular Germanic name Egbert, so good chance that my forefathers at high Mediaeval times would have been called Eppe.
Holland adopted more Flemish elements with a French vowel system, similarly High German also adopted some of those vowels, which goes back to the interaction of Germanic Frankish nobles with their Gallo-Roman subjects.
Quote from: Lotti Fuehrscheim on November 19, 2020, 05:41:21 PM
Quote from: Boggit on November 18, 2020, 05:36:42 PM
Quote from: Lotti Fuehrscheim on November 18, 2020, 04:23:45 PM
Quote from: Gusington on November 18, 2020, 03:35:18 PM
Lotti are you...Dutch? I've only met a few Dutch people in person but they have all been ~6'4" or taller.
My pre-Napoleonic forefathers lived at the Ems estuary, and were all called Egbert.
That area has been part of the sovereignties of the Chauks, Anglian Frisians, Old Ambt under the Emperor, Stad en Lande, and currently the Netherlands.
I feel more European than Dutch, though not for love of EU policies, but because my media influx is strongly German, French and Belgian, and those countries are an integral part of the history of my world. I travel there, know people, and I feel we ought to be good friends, politically. I cannot vote for Berlin politics, but they influence my world more than The Hague.
Seems you might be proto-English then! O0 ;)
Heard a lecture today about the disappearance of the Frisian language in the lands North of the city of Groningen. That started in the 14th century, and was complete after the 15th century. It was replaced by Lower German that had become the standard language from the Eastern Netherlands to the Baltic.
During this development the Frisian name Eppe was often changed to a similar sounding regular Germanic name Egbert, so good chance that my forefathers at high Mediaeval times would have been called Eppe.
Holland adopted more Flemish elements with a French vowel system, similarly High German also adopted some of those vowels, which goes back to the interaction of Germanic Frankish nobles with their Gallo-Roman subjects.
I think that is very interesting. I think it is a great pity when we lose these elements of our heritage.
I have cousins who see themselves as Cornish before English - this is not that uncommon in Cornwall, even in Brittany in France. My cousins father was a Welshman who spoke Welsh as well as English. Sadly, he passed away last year, which was a pity as he was a very nice man and very erudite. Here in the British Isles I am pleased to say that we have seen some revival over the last few decades of regional languages such as Welsh, Irish Gaelic and even Scots Erse (Scots Gaelic).
I lived for a while in Yorkshire and there are dialects there - especially in North Yorkshire, which are heavily influenced by Scandinavia, mostly Denmark and you can still see the connection with some words, which are virtually the same. None of this is really surprising as the country was colonised by Danes/Norwegians at the time, and we even had a Danish king of England namely Knut II.
The earlier migration of "Saxons", which resulted in most people in England tracing their ancestors to them were in fact mainly from Niedersachsen, Friesland and Jutland, so it's hardly surprising that the basic roots of the language are so similar to day, even though time and other influences have had a very distinctive effect on the language.
Anyway, thanks very much for sharing. I find your comments very informative and interesting. O0
This is why I love this site! -- a thread humorously commenting on outsized computer rig pricing (pro and con!), develops into a history-linguistics lesson on something I've never heard of before.
:smitten:
Quote from: JasonPratt on November 21, 2020, 07:07:49 PM
This is why I love this site! -- a thread humorously commenting on outsized computer rig pricing (pro and con!), develops into a history-linguistics lesson on something I've never heard of before.
:smitten:
I blame Gus O0 and Lotti! O0 ::) ;)
You're welcome 8)