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Title: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Bison on July 13, 2015, 10:06:08 AM
I just rearranged the man corner  :-[ and finally have a dedicated gaming table.  Victory!!!!!!!!  8) The problem is the table is 30" X 48".   So I need to figure out a work around for games requiring more table top like X-Wing for example that would require a 36" X 36" table space for just the board.  It's a rough life I know.  I'm sure we all have our own struggles.    :knuppel2:

Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: LongBlade on July 13, 2015, 10:09:46 AM
Get.

Another.

Table.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Bison on July 13, 2015, 10:12:37 AM
Quote from: LongBlade on July 13, 2015, 10:09:46 AM
Get.

Another.

Table.

Man.

Corner.

Not.

Man.

Cave.

I'm thinking about a piece of plexiglass or something similar.  I'm not sure of the cost, so perhaps a piece of 1/2" plywood.  Hmmm....
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Bison on July 13, 2015, 10:14:02 AM
It's does work perfectly for TCGs and LCGs just incase anyone cares.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Barthheart on July 13, 2015, 10:17:23 AM
Quote from: Bison on July 13, 2015, 10:12:37 AM
Quote from: LongBlade on July 13, 2015, 10:09:46 AM
Get.

Another.

Table.

Man.

Corner.

Not.

Man.

Cave.

I'm thinking about a piece of plexiglass or something similar.  I'm not sure of the cost, so perhaps a piece of 1/2" plywood.  Hmmm....

Unless you go really thick, a piece of Plexiglass would be to bendy. 1/2" plywood is stiffer and cheaper and easier to work with. Just add some swing out supports for the new "edge" and yer good to go.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Bison on July 13, 2015, 10:28:13 AM
Well honestly I'm thinking of just something like a large plexiglass square (40" X40") or something to place on top of the table if and when it's needed.  Not sure of the cost.  I thought with a piece of plywood or something similar I could cover it with felt to help it from sliding around and protect the table underneath too.  I'm not sure.  I'd consider another table, but the wife would kill me.   I converted the computer desk she bought me into this table already, so I need to tread very carefully.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Barthheart on July 13, 2015, 10:31:16 AM
Plywood with felt is still cheaper option, it is heavier to move around. The plexiglass you should be able to get at Home Depot but it might cost you up to $50, depending on thickness.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Bison on July 13, 2015, 10:35:06 AM
The added side benefit of plexiglass is it would act as a paper map shield.  Put the map down.  Cover with plexiglass and then put counters on top of the plexiglass.  I'd considered a large picture frame for this purpose in the past. 

I've got some thinking to do.  Next I need to come up with a better storage systems for my TCG and LCG games, and for my ASL and CC counters.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: bayonetbrant on July 13, 2015, 10:37:37 AM
make a plywood tabletop at about 4x6

Staple / glue down some thick felt, and then put trim molding around the edges.to cover the seams.

It's a one-afternoon project for about $40 between Home Depot and and a fabric store.  When you're not using it, stand it up along the wall and shove the table up into it.

Get green felt and you can use it as a tabletop for some minis wargames (just add terrain)
Get black felt and you've got a space backdrop.
Get ambitious and do black on one side and green on the other and you can be a full-on nerd.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: bayonetbrant on July 13, 2015, 10:39:47 AM
Quote from: Bison on July 13, 2015, 10:35:06 AMI'd considered a large picture frame for this purpose in the past. 

Back-to-college sales are coming up soon.  You can get some 36x48 poster frames CHEAP at Bed Bath & Beyond or Target, and just keep your maps in them.  Like $10 each or less cheap.
I've got 4 of them upstairs in the man cave - 2 Warfighter maps, Orange Crush, and a blank square grid for RPGs.  You can also write on them w/ dry-erase markers and then wipe 'em off within a few hours, no problem. 
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Bison on July 13, 2015, 11:30:26 AM
I'm liking your style bb.   
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: bayonetbrant on July 13, 2015, 01:56:14 PM
You're the guy that moved to Kansas instead of FBNC.  You could've been right down the street from the Man-Cave of Gaming +3™
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Bison on July 13, 2015, 04:12:59 PM
I have a man corner of shame to work on now.  Thank you very much.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: GJK on July 13, 2015, 05:13:59 PM
Get a piece of thick plywood or MDB board and cut it to the size of the current table top.  Hinge it to the top of the current table top and to the underside of the plywood (after you've put a nice finish on it).  If you don't need the extra table space, you play on the folded over extension.  If you do need the table space, unfold the extension to get the extra room.  You may need to make some removable legs to go under the extension when unfolded but you could experiment with that.  You can get a strong but relatively flat hinge that covers the length of the table (Home Depot sells them).
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: bayonetbrant on July 13, 2015, 05:42:37 PM
2 of the poster frames out in the man-cave

I need to pick up a few more this fall.

Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: bbmike on July 13, 2015, 05:49:43 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on July 13, 2015, 10:39:47 AM
Quote from: Bison on July 13, 2015, 10:35:06 AMI'd considered a large picture frame for this purpose in the past. 

Back-to-college sales are coming up soon.  You can get some 36x48 poster frames CHEAP at Bed Bath & Beyond or Target, and just keep your maps in them.  Like $10 each or less cheap.
I've got 4 of them upstairs in the man cave - 2 Warfighter maps, Orange Crush, and a blank square grid for RPGs.  You can also write on them w/ dry-erase markers and then wipe 'em off within a few hours, no problem.

I like the idea of the blank square grid for RPGs!  You could use the dry-erase makers to set up just about anything.  O0
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: LongBlade on July 13, 2015, 06:06:36 PM
Quote from: Bison on July 13, 2015, 04:12:59 PM
I have a man corner of shame to work on now. 

Dood - you're a wargamer. You know what to do.

Panzers nach Osten!

Expand that corner!
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Ubercat on July 13, 2015, 07:27:39 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on July 13, 2015, 10:39:47 AM
  You can also write on them w/ dry-erase markers and then wipe 'em off within a few hours, no problem.

Do they stain permanently after a few hours? I had it in mind to eventually play the campaign for ASLSK Decision at Elst by putting the map in a poster frame and marking controlled territory with a dry erase between battles. If it won't come off after days or weeks, that's a problem.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Bison on July 13, 2015, 07:58:27 PM
Overhead projector screen markers should come off with alcohol wipes.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: panzerde on July 13, 2015, 08:33:42 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on July 13, 2015, 06:06:36 PM
Quote from: Bison on July 13, 2015, 04:12:59 PM
I have a man corner of shame to work on now. 

Dood - you're a wargamer. You know what to do.

Panzers nach Osten!

Expand that corner!


There is great wisdom in this. Your man corner - it must have Lebensraum!
</cue Peter Sellers as Dr. Strangelove>
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on July 13, 2015, 09:15:50 PM
Dude, he's going up against a female.  You know she's going to go straight for the nuclear option should open conflict break out.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: panzerde on July 13, 2015, 09:20:29 PM
It's true, particularly since he still has young kids. He will have to be stealthy.

I suggest threatening to set up a workbench and power tools in the garage. Claim you're thinking about getting into woodworking. You feel you may need a lathe.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: MetalDog on July 13, 2015, 09:37:16 PM
Pretty sneaky, d ;)
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Bison on July 13, 2015, 09:49:25 PM
Quote from: panzerde on July 13, 2015, 09:20:29 PM
It's true, particularly since he still has young kids. He will have to be stealthy.

I suggest threatening to set up a workbench and power tools in the garage. Claim you're thinking about getting into woodworking. You feel you may need a lathe.

Hmmm....I'm intrigued by your plan.  It shall be dubbed Case Workbench and I shall ponder it's implementation as I sleeve The Lord of the Rings card decks this evening.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: MetalDog on July 13, 2015, 09:52:39 PM
You've got it REALLY bad if you have enough LotR cards to put in a sleeve.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Bison on July 13, 2015, 09:54:15 PM
The base set comes with 238 or so cards, so I picked up 300 penny sleeves to do the deed.  It's something I've been meaning to do for a few years now.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: MetalDog on July 13, 2015, 09:59:33 PM
Do you sleeve all your cards?  And can you shuffle a deck that way?
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Nefaro on July 13, 2015, 10:10:56 PM
Quote from: MetalDog on July 13, 2015, 09:59:33 PM
Do you sleeve all your cards?  And can you shuffle a deck that way?


Innuendo sensors detect...

A Trap!
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: bayonetbrant on July 13, 2015, 10:17:07 PM
Quote from: Ubercat on July 13, 2015, 07:27:39 PMDo they stain permanently after a few hours? I had it in mind to eventually play the campaign for ASLSK Decision at Elst by putting the map in a poster frame and marking controlled territory with a dry erase between battles. If it won't come off after days or weeks, that's a problem.

After a week or so, you need a cleaner to completely clear the plexiglass

Quote from: Bison on July 13, 2015, 07:58:27 PMOverhead projector screen markers should come off with alcohol wipes.

Yep - for a longer-term project like Ubes is describing, I would go this route instead.  But I usually have more dry erase markers handy than alcohol pens now that my staff weenie days are almost a decade behind me.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Bison on July 13, 2015, 10:48:34 PM
Quote from: MetalDog on July 13, 2015, 09:59:33 PM
Do you sleeve all your cards?  And can you shuffle a deck that way?

Generally yes.  In fact I hate playing with a game too much if it has cards that aren't sleeved.  I'd rather spend the few extra dollars to preserve the cards for long term usage without them getting all raggedy.  I actually find it much easier to shuffle a deck of sleeved cards than non-sleeved cards, but I don't do the shuffle where you bend the cards with your thumb to do the corner or edge shuffle.  That's just a party foul.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Ubercat on July 13, 2015, 11:05:04 PM
Quote from: Bison on July 13, 2015, 09:54:15 PM
The base set comes with 238 or so cards, so I picked up 300 penny sleeves to do the deed.  It's something I've been meaning to do for a few years now.

Have you tried the Game of Thrones LCG? If so, how do you like it? I bought 2 base sets, all the house sets, and 2-3 complete cycles but have no one to play with. It's definitely the most complex of all the LCG's.

I also have the base sets for Cthulhu, Netrunner, LotR, and Warhammer. Haven't bought 40K yet and have no interest in Star Wars.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: MetalDog on July 13, 2015, 11:05:24 PM
I grew up playing all sorts of cards.  MtG is just another form.  So it's bend'em high and shuffle eight or ten times.  And no card protectors.  They just get in the way.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: MetalDog on July 13, 2015, 11:07:14 PM
Quote from: Ubercat on July 13, 2015, 11:05:04 PM
Quote from: Bison on July 13, 2015, 09:54:15 PM
The base set comes with 238 or so cards, so I picked up 300 penny sleeves to do the deed.  It's something I've been meaning to do for a few years now.

Have you tried the Game of Thrones LCG? If so, how do you like it? I bought 2 base sets, all the house sets, and 2-3 complete cycles but have no one to play with. It's definitely the most complex of all the LCG's.

I also have the base sets for Cthulhu, Netrunner, LotR, and Warhammer. Haven't bought 40K yet and have no interest in Star Wars.

Star Wars was supposedly terrible.  LotR, too.  Netrunner was supposed to be really good.  Not sure about Cthulu or Warhammer.  A GoT game might be pretty fun.  Would have to play a lot of people though.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: LongBlade on July 14, 2015, 12:05:01 AM
Quote from: panzerde on July 13, 2015, 09:20:29 PM
It's true, particularly since he still has young kids. He will have to be stealthy.

I suggest threatening to set up a workbench and power tools in the garage. Claim you're thinking about getting into woodworking. You feel you may need a lathe.

Perfect.

A diversionary op while he places his main thrust where it matters most.

Errr....don't read that the wrong way and succeed in getting another set in twins in nine months, Bison!  :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Bison on July 14, 2015, 12:34:20 AM
Quote from: Ubercat on July 13, 2015, 11:05:04 PM
Quote from: Bison on July 13, 2015, 09:54:15 PM
The base set comes with 238 or so cards, so I picked up 300 penny sleeves to do the deed.  It's something I've been meaning to do for a few years now.

Have you tried the Game of Thrones LCG? If so, how do you like it? I bought 2 base sets, all the house sets, and 2-3 complete cycles but have no one to play with. It's definitely the most complex of all the LCG's.

I also have the base sets for Cthulhu, Netrunner, LotR, and Warhammer. Haven't bought 40K yet and have no interest in Star Wars.

No I haven't played Game of Thrones yet.  The next LCG games on my list for future purchasing are some LotR expansions and Legendary: Marvel base set.   
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Bison on July 14, 2015, 12:36:49 AM
Quote from: MetalDog on July 13, 2015, 11:07:14 PM
Star Wars was supposedly terrible.  LotR, too.  Netrunner was supposed to be really good.  Not sure about Cthulu or Warhammer.  A GoT game might be pretty fun.  Would have to play a lot of people though.

I really enjoy LotR.  It plays very well as a solo game or as co-op IMHO.  In fact I just finished a game after I sleeved the cards of course. 
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Nefaro on July 14, 2015, 08:35:03 PM
I only tend to sleeve cards that aren't cut well.

In other words, the ones that are slightly uneven and tend to bunch up when giving them a proper poker shuffle.  Drives me absolutely nuts when cards in a single deck aren't the exact same size.   :knuppel2:   Even putting them in penny sleeves is preferable although I prefer not to use sleeves at all if the bad card cuts aren't an issue.


Edit:  Unfortunately, almost half the games I own have poorly cut cards.  They also tend to be the ones that have many of them.  I suspect there were so many card sheets that multiple card printing lines were running them, using slightly off measurements or alignments.  Those also tend to run mixed decks through each, so even when you have four decks in a game (for example), you still have three different sizes of cards in each.   >:(
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Toonces on July 14, 2015, 10:09:40 PM
This thread is entirely prescient.  I have a similar problem, in that I have an unused area between my futon couch/bed/55" TV, and my Obutto gaming cockpit that would work well for a gaming table/work desk.  So I'm looking for options.  You all have given me some very useful multipurpose ideas.   ???
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: bayonetbrant on July 14, 2015, 10:22:02 PM
Quote from: Toonces on July 14, 2015, 10:09:40 PMSo I'm looking for options. 

http://geekchichq.com/the-sultan-gaming-table.html
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2F1NLE06PXA9TIA%2Fgiphy.gif&hash=6ab446521d4fbf7b2995117ddd2904563baf0850)
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: bayonetbrant on July 14, 2015, 10:24:04 PM
OK, so you probably just need this one instead
http://geekchichq.com/dropship-gaming-tables.html
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: LongBlade on July 14, 2015, 11:48:55 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on July 14, 2015, 10:24:04 PM
OK, so you probably just need this one instead
http://geekchichq.com/dropship-gaming-tables.html

Hadn't visited their site in a couple of months. Yes, that's an awesome addition.

Bison (et al), don't let the price put you off without at least a moment's consideration. Their stuff is pricey, but it is ROCK FUCKING SOLID. No joke. Those tables will outlive you and probably a couple generations of offspring.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: GJK on July 15, 2015, 05:46:52 AM
I'll have some pictures to finally add to my wargaming table project thread here pretty soon.  I had to set aside the project while we moved in to our new house but now that the mancave woodworking garage area is set up and functioning, I've been able to resume.  This table will feature a tabletop that can lift on one side like a grand piano if you want to play underneath in that way or the top can easily be removed altogether.  This will be a table for those with foreign enemies that will likely destroy any game that is left unattended for any length of time; i.e., cats, kids and crazies.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Nefaro on July 15, 2015, 05:49:45 AM
I went the inexpensive route and purchased a big heavy 4ft x 6.5ft table and a pair of 36" x 36" black game mats (think of thin but massive cloth-top mouse pad) to roll out on it when needed.   

Some of the heavier duty fold-out TV trays also help since they can be placed halfway under the table or pulled all the way out.  Good for holding manuals, drinks, dice tray, or whatever else doesn't need to be on the table at any moment.  There are some wooden ones with a recessed top that helps keep extra dice, pencils, etc from rolling off.

Buying it all, new, ended up at around $750.  Including four matching chairs for the table.  The downstairs game room still needs work done but it's quite functional now, with that beast.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: GJK on July 15, 2015, 06:18:00 AM
The Nefaro mansion with his 4.5x6' "cheap" $750 table dedicated solely to gaming.  This is just the downstairs table; the upstairs one is yet to come.  :o
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Nefaro on July 15, 2015, 06:35:59 AM
Quote from: GJK on July 15, 2015, 06:18:00 AM
The Nefaro mansion with his 4.5x6' "cheap" $750 table dedicated solely to gaming.  This is just the downstairs table; the upstairs one is yet to come.  :o

LOL!  Well... that table will likely become the kitchen table once I sell this house and move so it's not all clear sailing.  ;D
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Toonces on July 15, 2015, 07:04:00 AM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on July 14, 2015, 10:22:02 PM
Quote from: Toonces on July 14, 2015, 10:09:40 PMSo I'm looking for options. 

http://geekchichq.com/the-sultan-gaming-table.html


20 grand for a table?  Are you out of your mind?   :o  My new Impreza was only 25k.  Hell, I'll just buy another Impreza and game in that!
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Toonces on July 15, 2015, 07:09:24 AM
In all seriousness, though, I was enjoying GJK's table thread.  I'm thinking of something more like that, or perhaps just going totally ghetto.  When I lived in Monterey I built a desk for my garage out of a plain, one-piece door and four 2x4's nailed into it for legs.  As crappy as that sounds, it was incredibly functional and had plenty of desk space.  Total price was like $100 or something...maybe more like $70. 
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: BanzaiCat on July 15, 2015, 07:20:28 AM
The TableTop channel on YouTube, where Wil Wheaton plays boardgames with famous people (more or less famous among geeks and nerds, anyway), uses a Geek Chic table. I thought it was a pretty cool thing, until I looked up the price tag. Apparently boardgame nerds have tons of disposable income.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Barthheart on July 15, 2015, 07:32:54 AM
GeekChic always brings a selection of tables, including the Sultan, to Origins. You can reserve time to play games on them and they are always packed. They look just as great in person as they do in pictures.

Just need to win the lotto to buy one....  :'(

Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: BanzaiCat on July 15, 2015, 07:38:56 AM
If I wasn't married and didn't have kids, and have the income I have right now, I could save up and buy one within a couple of years. As it stands now, HA. I'll be lucky to be 'allowed' to go buy a fold-up camping table from Academy for $30. ;)
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: bbmike on July 15, 2015, 08:04:49 AM
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on July 15, 2015, 07:20:28 AM
The TableTop channel on YouTube, where Wil Wheaton plays boardgames with famous people (more or less famous among geeks and nerds, anyway), uses a Geek Chic table. I thought it was a pretty cool thing, until I looked up the price tag. Apparently boardgame nerds have tons of disposable income.

Or some basic woodworking skills. I've been tempted to build a gaming table. Can't be that hard and or all that expensive. I just need time and a place to put one.  :(
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Toonces on July 15, 2015, 08:46:59 AM
No doubt those Geek Chic tables are the bomb diggity.  But that is really way more money than I can spend on something like a gaming table right now.

I watch all of these shows where folks fix up stuff; buy stuff at garage sales, stable some fabric on them, paint it, and it looks great.  I think something like that is a more practical solution for me.  Anyway, I'm derailing Bison's thread...sorry dude.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: panzerde on July 15, 2015, 08:51:46 AM
See? We're back to woodworking in the garage and a growing feeling that you need a lathe. There is method in my madness.

Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Bison on July 15, 2015, 08:59:54 AM
I'm weighing a couple of options right now, but need to make a trip to Home Depot,  and Hobby Lobby or Michaels to recon materials.

Yeah those tables are sick.  I'm pretty sure the manufacturer has never visited an actual gaming store to meet their cliental.  Last week I literally overheard a one guy tell another that he sells his blood platelets and that's how he bought some game components.   
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Toonces on July 15, 2015, 09:49:12 AM
^ LOL.  I actually saw the owners pitch their ideas on Shark Tank.  They didn't get picked up.

I don't know if this will help, Bison, but I found a ton of ideas for the door-desk by Googling "door desk" and then when you go to images look for "hollow core". 

I just saw a neat one that used two cheap end tables as the legs, and then the door for the desk top.  Cheap and efficient...and I'm not even handy.  I'm sure you have all sorts of tools and could do it up right.  I think I'm going to go that route.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: bbmike on July 15, 2015, 10:33:17 AM
Found this thread on BoardGameGeek (https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/59132/i-built-gaming-table/page/1?) where a guy built one for $408. Includes instructions and materials needed. I'm sure you could modify it to make it cost even less.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: GJK on July 15, 2015, 11:12:58 AM
Building from scratch would be quite enjoyable if that's what you know how and like to do but seriously, look at my wargaming table thread (which I will update tonight).  Go shop Goodwill or some local thrift stores....I see great wargaming tables there all the time.   Most just need to be sanded and refinished if you insist, otherwise, they're good to go and for on average $30-$35.  If you want to do what I did with the recessed "hidden" playing area that hides under the table top, follow my thread later (or look at the miniature version that is at the top of the page).  All that you need to do is find a table of the right size that has an easy to remove table top on it.  Most are held in by a few wood screws so as long as it's not glued down, it will work.  Just add a bottom and then make some guides for the tabletop to sit on when it is in place and you have a cat/kid proof table.

http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=13182.0
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Toonces on July 15, 2015, 11:35:01 AM
Good call on Goodwill.  I think there's one right downtown.  I may swing by there later.   O0
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: LongBlade on July 15, 2015, 09:08:59 PM
Quote from: Toonces on July 15, 2015, 07:04:00 AM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on July 14, 2015, 10:22:02 PM
Quote from: Toonces on July 14, 2015, 10:09:40 PMSo I'm looking for options. 

http://geekchichq.com/the-sultan-gaming-table.html


20 grand for a table?  Are you out of your mind?   :o  My new Impreza was only 25k.  Hell, I'll just buy another Impreza and game in that!

The Sultan is a bit over the top. I was looking more at the Vizier for something under $10k. Mind you, I haven't been able to set that kind of cash aside yet, but if that kind of money shows up as disposable income it will be up for serious consideration. And it will make everyone else's man caves look like man cocoons in comparison.

MUAHAHAHAHAHA  >:D
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: GJK on July 15, 2015, 10:31:29 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on July 15, 2015, 09:08:59 PM
Quote from: Toonces on July 15, 2015, 07:04:00 AM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on July 14, 2015, 10:22:02 PM
Quote from: Toonces on July 14, 2015, 10:09:40 PMSo I'm looking for options. 

http://geekchichq.com/the-sultan-gaming-table.html (http://geekchichq.com/the-sultan-gaming-table.html)


20 grand for a table?  Are you out of your mind?   :o  My new Impreza was only 25k.  Hell, I'll just buy another Impreza and game in that!

The Sultan is a bit over the top. I was looking more at the Vizier for something under $10k. Mind you, I haven't been able to set that kind of cash aside yet, but if that kind of money shows up as disposable income it will be up for serious consideration. And it will make everyone else's man caves look like man cocoons in comparison.

MUAHAHAHAHAHA  >:D

That's an awesome looking table and some very fine craftsmanship but as I mentioned in another thread somewhere on the innerwebs that was talking about the same model, it would drive me crazy that I couldn't slide my chair up underneath it so I would pass on this one personally (not to mention the $10k being a bit of a stepping stone as well :) )
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: panzerde on July 15, 2015, 10:38:23 PM
I love their stuff and the Greene & Greene style of the Sultan would actually go very well with the rest of our Arts & Crafts style furniture. Unfortunately, two kids in college who have a car that I think is going to need a new transmission means probably not any time soon...
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: LongBlade on July 15, 2015, 11:07:22 PM
Quote from: GJK on July 15, 2015, 10:31:29 PM

That's an awesome looking table and some very fine craftsmanship but as I mentioned in another thread somewhere on the innerwebs that was talking about the same model, it would drive me crazy that I couldn't slide my chair up underneath it so I would pass on this one personally (not to mention the $10k being a bit of a stepping stone as well :) )

Not sure what you mean by that. Those tables can be designed to stand as high as four feet. When you plunk down the down payment they have a valet contact you several times to go over specifications, to vet your purchase to make sure you're not buying the most expensive table, but the correct one for your needs. Certainly the small requirement of being able to slide a chair underneath wouldn't be a problem. While they charge a hefty price for customization, IIRC table height up to four feet is gratis.

Lastly, there are a number of tables there for far less than $10k - depending on size, customization, et al.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Arctic Blast on July 16, 2015, 12:53:16 AM
Quote from: panzerde on July 15, 2015, 10:38:23 PM
I love their stuff and the Greene & Greene style of the Sultan would actually go very well with the rest of our Arts & Crafts style furniture. Unfortunately, two kids in college who have a car that I think is going to need a new transmission means probably not any time soon...

About time those kids learned the value of physical exercise by walking places, doncha think?  ;D
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: GJK on July 16, 2015, 05:18:54 AM
Quote from: LongBlade on July 15, 2015, 11:07:22 PM
Not sure what you mean by that. Those tables can be designed to stand as high as four feet. When you plunk down the down payment they have a valet contact you several times to go over specifications, to vet your purchase to make sure you're not buying the most expensive table, but the correct one for your needs. Certainly the small requirement of being able to slide a chair underneath wouldn't be a problem. While they charge a hefty price for customization, IIRC table height up to four feet is gratis.

Lastly, there are a number of tables there for far less than $10k - depending on size, customization, et al.

You don't see a problem sliding a chair in under this table?  I think that I'd specify that those bottom rails not be included....

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Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Toonces on July 16, 2015, 08:18:26 AM
I was thinking the same thing.  I'd want to be able to slide my chair beneath.  Maybe most hardcore gamers spend most of their time standing?
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: GJK on July 16, 2015, 08:23:38 AM
Quote from: Toonces on July 16, 2015, 08:18:26 AM
I was thinking the same thing.  I'd want to be able to slide my chair beneath.  Maybe most hardcore gamers spend most of their time standing?

Not this old man!   8)
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Barthheart on July 16, 2015, 08:39:33 AM
I think it's supposed to be a foot rail. Your chair/lap would go under the table surface enough to work comfortably at the table.
I think they picture using a bar stool as a chair. That's how I'm building my table. I've got 27" bar stools and the table surface is high enough to work at standing or sitting.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: BanzaiCat on July 16, 2015, 08:49:02 AM
I think Barth is right. At least, that's what I've seen of the TableTop vids; Wil has everyone on stools at the table. I didn't think twice about it until reading these posts.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Barthheart on July 16, 2015, 08:52:54 AM
These are like the stools I'm using. The seat swivels.

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Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: panzerde on July 16, 2015, 08:55:17 AM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on July 16, 2015, 12:53:16 AM
Quote from: panzerde on July 15, 2015, 10:38:23 PM
I love their stuff and the Greene & Greene style of the Sultan would actually go very well with the rest of our Arts & Crafts style furniture. Unfortunately, two kids in college who have a car that I think is going to need a new transmission means probably not any time soon...

About time those kids learned the value of physical exercise by walking places, doncha think?  ;D


See, this is exactly what I tell my wife. I mean, Indianapolis to Bloomington isn't that far. With a good pack they could do the trip in a couple of days.

Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Bison on July 16, 2015, 09:02:12 AM
We use a stool, spare dinning table chair, and my old computer desk chair.

I think I'd just go with stools if I cared enough about having matching seats.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Barthheart on July 16, 2015, 06:40:43 PM
Some shots of my incomplete new table... works slows in the summer.... and as I want to play games on it!  :D

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Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: bayonetbrant on July 16, 2015, 06:48:39 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on July 16, 2015, 06:40:43 PMworks slows in the summer....

so that leaves you 51 other weeks up there to finish it!
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Barthheart on July 16, 2015, 06:51:57 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on July 16, 2015, 06:48:39 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on July 16, 2015, 06:40:43 PMworks slows in the summer....

so that leaves you 51 other weeks up there to finish it!

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Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: bayonetbrant on July 16, 2015, 07:17:07 PM
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Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: LongBlade on July 17, 2015, 11:49:17 AM
Quote from: GJK on July 16, 2015, 05:18:54 AM
Quote from: LongBlade on July 15, 2015, 11:07:22 PM
Not sure what you mean by that. Those tables can be designed to stand as high as four feet. When you plunk down the down payment they have a valet contact you several times to go over specifications, to vet your purchase to make sure you're not buying the most expensive table, but the correct one for your needs. Certainly the small requirement of being able to slide a chair underneath wouldn't be a problem. While they charge a hefty price for customization, IIRC table height up to four feet is gratis.

Lastly, there are a number of tables there for far less than $10k - depending on size, customization, et al.

You don't see a problem sliding a chair in under this table?  I think that I'd specify that those bottom rails not be included....

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Well, first those drawers pull out over your lap.

Second, I guarantee that if you discuss your OCD need to have a chair pushed under the table when not in use, they will work with you to meet that need. Truly, read through their entire website. They are quite impressive. Even better - go see them in person at one of the cons and chat with them.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Bison on July 17, 2015, 12:06:34 PM
I'm going to need a 10K table to have some sort drink dispensing capability.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: BanzaiCat on July 17, 2015, 02:29:19 PM
Quote from: Bison on July 17, 2015, 12:06:34 PM
I'm going to need a 10K table to have some sort of drink dispensing BJ capability.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Bison on July 18, 2015, 12:48:46 PM
New 1st World Gaming Problem....

I have the go ahead with a largish gaming purchase.  I'm really digging Fantasy Flight Games.  I know.  I know.  They are the devil to some, but I love Star Wars and they make the best Star Wars games from my research.

So I can build up two decent Rebel and Imperial Fleets for Star Wars X-wing or I can go with Imperial Assault and maybe a ship or two or a couple of expansions for Imperial Assault.  I'm sure there are other games to consider out there but I love the X-wing-game play, and Imperial Tactics looks fantastic, not to mention FFG components are top notch.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on July 18, 2015, 01:07:20 PM
I'd go all-in with X-Wing.  If you buy something like the Falcon or Slave I, you'll discover than you need a fair number of smaller craft in order to be able to play the new scenarios that come with the larger ships.  The Falcon vs. the two TIE fighters than come with the base game just isn't a fair fight.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Staggerwing on July 18, 2015, 07:38:36 PM
Quote from: Toonces on July 15, 2015, 07:09:24 AM
In all seriousness, though, I was enjoying GJK's table thread.  I'm thinking of something more like that, or perhaps just going totally ghetto.  When I lived in Monterey I built a desk for my garage out of a plain, one-piece door and four 2x4's nailed into it for legs.  As crappy as that sounds, it was incredibly functional and had plenty of desk space.  Total price was like $100 or something...maybe more like $70.

In place of the 2x4s you could also use a pair of filing cabinets. Then you can store stuff in them.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Toonces on July 18, 2015, 08:53:53 PM
Yeah, I saw some pictures in Google of people that have done that.  Brilliant idea and something that wouldn't have occurred to me.  The next time I head out to Home Depot I'm going to look at my options.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: panzerde on July 18, 2015, 09:52:28 PM
I picked up one of those four foot banquet tables from Lowe's like this: http://www.lowes.com/pd_183929-88126-80294_1z0ynwd__?productId=50064077&pl=1 and then got a sheet of Plexiglas cut to fit. The table was around $40 and I think the Plexiglas was about $50.


Works pretty well and fits anything that's not a monster game.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: GJK on July 18, 2015, 09:56:56 PM
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on July 18, 2015, 01:07:20 PM
I'd go all-in with X-Wing.  If you buy something like the Falcon or Slave I, you'll discover than you need a fair number of smaller craft in order to be able to play the new scenarios that come with the larger ships.  The Falcon vs. the two TIE fighters than come with the base game just isn't a fair fight.

Here's a nice little X-Wing collection that's on the market.  Looks like a little "starter" set.  ;)  http://talk.consimworld.com/WebX?14@@.ee7011b/76482
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Bison on July 18, 2015, 10:39:48 PM
Quote from: GJK on July 18, 2015, 09:56:56 PM
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on July 18, 2015, 01:07:20 PM
I'd go all-in with X-Wing.  If you buy something like the Falcon or Slave I, you'll discover than you need a fair number of smaller craft in order to be able to play the new scenarios that come with the larger ships.  The Falcon vs. the two TIE fighters than come with the base game just isn't a fair fight.

Here's a nice little X-Wing collection that's on the market.  Looks like a little "starter" set.  ;)  http://talk.consimworld.com/WebX?14@@.ee7011b/76482

Haha.  No.  :) You know I was browsing the gaming wares at a couple of online sites and, although I knew it before, it really hit me just how much board gaming has followed the PC in "DLC" content.  X-Wing is perfect example with the variety of ships available.  To make matters worse, people suck.  I was reading the FFG forums trying to learn a little more about a couple of their games and everything has a "meta" game.  So you need to buy multiple core sets, and many if not all of the  3 -8 dozen mini-expansions if you follow the logic of the competitive scene players.   So that gets me to thinking, one of the LFGS has an X-wing group that plays on Saturday morning.  Perhaps I play with that group and play less FNM.  But you read the forums and it makes someone new to the game honestly believe you have to drop $$$$ just to have a chance to field a decent formation even at your FLGS.  I don't know if that is true, but gaming is an expensive hobby if you think your going to be all in on more than one game.  I learned that I might just end up going with SW Imperial Assault, or either the Marvel or DC card game and call it a day.  I'm a little disappointed by my forum readings.  And no ASL is not any better.  /rant off/
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on July 19, 2015, 12:02:02 AM
I've found that with Armada.  There are a lot of players here in Vancouver but 90+% of them are fully into competitive play and spend hours building fleets designed solely to take advantage of any and every perceived flaw in the ruleset.  It makes it a pain to play at times.

Fortunately I've found a good group of X-Wing players who  just want to have fun and are more than happy to ignore the base rules and just create custom scenarios for fun.  I had a pretty good game today where we decided to have a simple, straight up dogfight on an open 3x3 map.  I played the Empire and had 2 TIE fighters with crappy Academy pilots, 1 TIE fighter piloted by the Backstabber pilot, 1 TIE Interceptor with a Scimitar sqn pilot with the swarm ability card, and 1 TIE advanced with Darth Vader as the pilot.   

The rebels had 3 X-Wings, two with rookie pilots and the 3rd flown by Wedge (with marksmanship ability card).  He also had an A-Wing with a Green Sqn pilot with marksmanship.

I don't think you need a full kit with all the expansions.  I have pretty much everything I want for the game now and don't plan on buying any of the non-movie ships.  I think I might double up on some Y-Wings, TIE bombers, and Interceptors though.

Have a look over at BoardGameGeek under the X-Wing section.  There are some cool user made additions to the game there.  I'm looking forward to trying out the Death Star trench run scenario.

It was a close fight but I ended up losing.  I'd lost all my ships except Vader by the final turn and Vader had lost his shields.  The Rebels had Wedge and a rookie X-wing pilot left.  Both had no shields and the rookie was down to 1 hull point.  Wedge and Vader did a head-on pass (both had 9 pilot ability so the firing was simultaneous).   I knocked Wedge's ship down to 1 hull point and wounded Wedge so that his skill dropped to zero for the rest of the battle.  Wedge ended up missing and I figured I was in the clear.  Then the damned rookie pilot rolled 4 hits out of 4 possible and I rolled 0 for three for my evade and suddenly Darth was a glowy angel.

Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Bison on July 23, 2015, 06:54:06 AM
I think I found a solution.  So there I was at Hobby Lobby wandering the aisles and I walk into the section with corkboards and there it was a 36" X 36" cork board.  It has a nice wooden frame inset just deep enough to accommodate a piece of plexiglass and hold it in place.  Just on the other side of the store is the felt.  Black, blue, green, and brown.  Cheap for a few 36" X 36" pieces.  I have the tacks at home to secure it.  Life is coming up Bison!




I forgot my credit card at home and had no cash.....:(
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: LongBlade on July 23, 2015, 07:47:28 AM
The good news is that the cork board, plexiglass, and felt will be there for another visit.

Glad you've found a solution.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Nefaro on July 23, 2015, 08:43:20 AM
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Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Bison on July 23, 2015, 08:55:10 AM
^ I don't get it.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Nefaro on July 23, 2015, 09:42:00 AM
Quote from: Bison on July 23, 2015, 08:55:10 AM
^ I don't get it.



Was a reference to crazy (& awesome) comments:

QuoteIn the wake of the dismissal, Sheen had a highly publicized "meltdown" which was broadcast on television and the Internet. He made bizarre statements in television interviews, suggesting that he was a "warlock" with "tiger blood" and "Adonis DNA", and that he was "winning". He also posted videos to YouTube showing himself smoking cigarettes through his nose, and cursing out his former employers. He told one TV interviewer, "I'm tired of pretending I'm not special. I'm tired of pretending I'm not a total bitchin' rock star from Mars."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Sheen


;D


Sheen's comments in that interview were a comedy gold mine of one-liners and Tiger Blood!   See:


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Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: bayonetbrant on July 25, 2015, 01:53:45 PM
http://www.carolinagametables.com

kickstarter coming soon
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: panzerde on July 25, 2015, 01:56:08 PM
That's pretty cool. Signed up.
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: bbmike on July 25, 2015, 02:32:13 PM
Yes, thanks! I'd rather win one than build one.  :)
Title: Re: 1st World Board Gaming Problems...
Post by: Bison on July 25, 2015, 02:46:25 PM
No crap.