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Jarhead0331

I was afraid that the period would not appeal to me and so far my fears are mostly coming true. I just don't like playing with brigands and bandits. I much prefer the armored and ordered ranks of roman legions or medieval knights, etc. and by the way, speaking of ordered ranks, why do the goths fight in perfect ordered ranks? I find it rather lacking in historical authenticity. I just don't think Germanic barbarians were that disciplined or highly trained as organized military units. In truth, it is not something I have spent a lot of effort in study, so perhaps I am wrong.

On the plus side, I like many of the UI changes, as well as the improvements to the strategic campaign game.

I will stick with it and try some play outside of the prologue. Maybe I'll try with the western Roman Empire to combine the combat of the glory days of Rome, with the new form of lighter, more mobile warfare.
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Sir Slash

I agree Jar. My Franks look like a bunch guys heading to an AC/DC concert but they march in perfect order. Also lots of people say they see women warriors in the ranks but I haven't noticed that many. Anybody else seen any?
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Nefaro

Quote from: Gusington on February 20, 2015, 10:10:29 PM
Yeah but the Hun campaign is rated as 'Hard.' Opposite of flaccid.

I wouldn't take the faction difficulty rating at face value.  Some of the 'Normal' starts have been difficult too.  I think the faction difficulty relates more to their starting size and the amount of stuff you have to manage rather than overall difficulty. 


Quote from: Jarhead0331 on February 20, 2015, 10:59:54 PM
I was afraid that the period would not appeal to me and so far my fears are mostly coming true. I just don't like playing with brigands and bandits. I much prefer the armored and ordered ranks of roman legions or medieval knights, etc. and by the way, speaking of ordered ranks, why do the goths fight in perfect ordered ranks? I find it rather lacking in historical authenticity. I just don't think Germanic barbarians were that disciplined or highly trained as organized military units. In truth, it is not something I have spent a lot of effort in study, so perhaps I am wrong.

On the plus side, I like many of the UI changes, as well as the improvements to the strategic campaign game.

I will stick with it and try some play outside of the prologue. Maybe I'll try with the western Roman Empire to combine the combat of the glory days of Rome, with the new form of lighter, more mobile warfare.

I agree about enjoying the earlier periods more.  Just seems like we're ordering bands of guys with shields and ragged clothes around now.  Homeless people with spears and a filthy brown filter to make them look like they've been rolling in mud.  ;D  If Attila's difficulty hadn't been improved over Rome 2, I wouldn't enjoy it so much.

I wish they would retrofit Rome 2 EE with some of the UI improvements.  There are some very handy ones.  The AI also seems to have improved some.


Toonces

The mid to late medieval period has always been my sweet spot.  Knights, warhorses, couched lances, chivalry...that stuff.

There's nothing wrong with ancient warfare, but I've never found it as interesting as modern medieval warfare, say 1100-1400 or so.
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Toonces

I will admit that you guys have me a bit upset that I didn't jump on this bandwagon, but I've got about 5 minutes invested in Rome 2 (at full $60 price).  I don't need another TW game.

But this sounds awfully awesome.  I'm really going to try to stick it out until it goes on super-sale like Rome 2 did.   :2funny:
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Grim.Reaper

Question for the experts...one thing that has always driven me crazy is trying to move a formation around and your troops don't stay together.  If I have a multi line formation and in the front I have some infantry while in the back I have Calvary and attempt to move them all at once, the Calvary always moves so fast that it walks over the infantry in front of them, versus adjusting their speed to stay behind them in formation.  I have tried all the various formation moves and such, but still always happens.  Am I missing a trick in order to keep the horses in formation while moving groups?  I certainly can micro manage it, but defeats the purpose of moving formations around.

GDS_Starfury

during setup after you place units where you want you can lock the whole group into that formation and it will pretty much stay as it is.  if your having a speed problem with cavalry you can hit ctrl while clicking on a unit type and hit R to make them walk instead of run.
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Grim.Reaper

Quote from: GDS_Starfury on February 21, 2015, 09:26:42 AM
during setup after you place units where you want you can lock the whole group into that formation and it will pretty much stay as it is.  if your having a speed problem with cavalry you can hit ctrl while clicking on a unit type and hit R to make them walk instead of run.

I'll have to give that a try again, but have tried locking the group before and they still seem to outpace the front line troops.  Maybe I missed something.

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I think I know what you mean *GR* - I'm positive I've seen the same thing, even with specifying a formation...the cav just seems to move too fast

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I have always preferred the story of the fall of Rome to the rise, and I love the Dark Ages (or whatever the PC term is for them today). So...Attila is right in my wheelhouse.

Last night I fired it up for about an hour and I reached a moment of zen after getting batted around again. As the Huns if I have three separate armies, I'll attempt to use one solely as a settlement to level up my tech, with my least-uber troops and the fewest in number.

I'll use the other two armies to slash and burn Rome to the ground. These 'field armies' will have the best tech and the highest numbers.

I started to try this last night and it looked to be working much better than just lashing out at everyone in a berserk, blood-soaked rage...as I did the night previous.

Players have to think differently as the Huns. You don't have to worry about the same things as more sedentary, traditional factions, but money is still vital as is tech. So it's a different play style, but it's just not different in the way I expected. I'm getting the vibe I am about to crack the game open...just have to get more time with it.


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Nefaro

Quote from: Grim.Reaper on February 21, 2015, 07:00:35 AM
Question for the experts...one thing that has always driven me crazy is trying to move a formation around and your troops don't stay together.  If I have a multi line formation and in the front I have some infantry while in the back I have Calvary and attempt to move them all at once, the Calvary always moves so fast that it walks over the infantry in front of them, versus adjusting their speed to stay behind them in formation.  I have tried all the various formation moves and such, but still always happens.  Am I missing a trick in order to keep the horses in formation while moving groups?  I certainly can micro manage it, but defeats the purpose of moving formations around.

Nope, you cavalry will always walk faster.  Even when you've locked the formation with the 'G' key.  Give your formation shorter move orders and issue new ones when the infantry catch up.

I tend to give my first move order or two with the whole army locked in formation, and then put my cavalry into separate groups before the enemy gets close so I can move them separately.  Eventually do the same with the skirmishers & archers too once the melee has begun.

Grim.Reaper

Quote from: Nefaro on February 21, 2015, 02:45:14 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on February 21, 2015, 07:00:35 AM
Question for the experts...one thing that has always driven me crazy is trying to move a formation around and your troops don't stay together.  If I have a multi line formation and in the front I have some infantry while in the back I have Calvary and attempt to move them all at once, the Calvary always moves so fast that it walks over the infantry in front of them, versus adjusting their speed to stay behind them in formation.  I have tried all the various formation moves and such, but still always happens.  Am I missing a trick in order to keep the horses in formation while moving groups?  I certainly can micro manage it, but defeats the purpose of moving formations around.

Nope, you cavalry will always walk faster.  Even when you've locked the formation with the 'G' key.  Give your formation shorter move orders and issue new ones when the infantry catch up.

I tend to give my first move order or two with the whole army locked in formation, and then put my cavalry into separate groups before the enemy gets close so I can move them separately.  Eventually do the same with the skirmishers & archers too once the melee has begun.

That's too bad....seems to happen in every version of total war, wish they could have addressed at some point.

Nefaro

Quote from: Grim.Reaper on February 21, 2015, 02:59:26 PM
Quote from: Nefaro on February 21, 2015, 02:45:14 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on February 21, 2015, 07:00:35 AM
Question for the experts...one thing that has always driven me crazy is trying to move a formation around and your troops don't stay together.  If I have a multi line formation and in the front I have some infantry while in the back I have Calvary and attempt to move them all at once, the Calvary always moves so fast that it walks over the infantry in front of them, versus adjusting their speed to stay behind them in formation.  I have tried all the various formation moves and such, but still always happens.  Am I missing a trick in order to keep the horses in formation while moving groups?  I certainly can micro manage it, but defeats the purpose of moving formations around.

Nope, you cavalry will always walk faster.  Even when you've locked the formation with the 'G' key.  Give your formation shorter move orders and issue new ones when the infantry catch up.

I tend to give my first move order or two with the whole army locked in formation, and then put my cavalry into separate groups before the enemy gets close so I can move them separately.  Eventually do the same with the skirmishers & archers too once the melee has begun.

That's too bad....seems to happen in every version of total war, wish they could have addressed at some point.

I'm just happy they improved the Formation Lock with the new series' engine.  Used to screw up on me all the time.  Actually, it still does, just not as much.  Every have a current move order with a locked formation and just clicked ahead again, thinking the damn thing will actually be facing in that same direction to only have the whole thing pointing off to your right or left?  Yeah.  ::)

Now I just hold rt-click and ALT key down then drag forward to force it's facing every time.

mikeck

Well, I know the Goths and Vandals learned a lot of military techniques from the Romans and many served in the legions...even before the 4th century. I'm not sure how far that training took them and how ordered they were. That said, there is usually a mod that's comes out and de-organizes barbarian units. I saw one for Rome 2 I believe.

I always play Rome anyway and I like to build a disciplined force by ensuring I don't lose entire units they gain experience and become very dependable. Truthfully, medieval armies didn't fighy ordered either. Didn't see real formations until the Swiss Mercenary pike men in the late 15th century. Before that it was a mob of dismounted Knights, levy infantry and bowmen surrounded on flanks by a mob of mounted Knights

I do feel the same that Jarhead does about factions. I much prefer to play the organized diciplined armies instead of the rabble. Never played anyone but Rome
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endfire79

Quote from: mikeck on February 21, 2015, 03:24:31 PM
Well, I know the Goths and Vandals learned a lot of military techniques from the Romans and many served in the legions...even before the 4th century. I'm not sure how far that training took them and how ordered they were. That said, there is usually a mod that's comes out and de-organizes barbarian units. I saw one for Rome 2 I believe.

I always play Rome anyway and I like to build a disciplined force by ensuring I don't lose entire units they gain experience and become very dependable. Truthfully, medieval armies didn't fighy ordered either. Didn't see real formations until the Swiss Mercenary pike men in the late 15th century. Before that it was a mob of dismounted Knights, levy infantry and bowmen surrounded on flanks by a mob of mounted Knights

I do feel the same that Jarhead does about factions. I much prefer to play the organized diciplined armies instead of the rabble. Never played anyone but Rome

I think the Mongols gave some order in the medieval period (organizing units into Tumens of 10,000, and consisting of smaller units of 1000, 100, 10 etc.)
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