I don't know if this is a huge deal but I do believe it is a step in the right direction for peace in the Middle East. We will have to see what happens with other countries in that region.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-israel-uae-peace-agreement
I guess the UAE did not want important industrial sites to start exploding across their country too. :crazy2:
Good point. The UAE didn't want the UAV's to start showing-up. ;D Of course Iran won't be too pleased, but what does make them happy these days?
Iran and Turkey are not pleased.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-turkey-slam-uae-claim-israel-deal-a-dagger-in-backs-of-palestinians-muslims
Good!
Damn! I thought they'd all be friends now. #:-)
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/iran-fumes-warns-of-dangerous-future-for-uae-over-historic-us-brokered-deal-with-israel
In the words of Samuel Jackson in Pulp Fiction - 'I don't remember asking Iran a Goddamned thing!'
Quote from: Gusington on August 15, 2020, 03:15:10 PM
In the words of Samuel Jackson in Pulp Fiction - 'I don't remember asking Iran a Goddamned thing!'
:DD
Quote from: Gusington on August 15, 2020, 03:15:10 PM
In the words of Samuel Jackson in Pulp Fiction - 'I don't remember asking Iran a Goddamned thing!'
Yea.......that was a good one Gus :notworthy:
Thank you, thank you - please try the veal.
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Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 13, 2020, 10:47:59 AM
I guess the UAE did not want important industrial sites to start exploding across their country too. :crazy2:
Technically we were never at war with the UAE, it was never considered an enemy nation.
It's more like a normalization of relationship treaty than a peace treaty, but still, IMHO, a big deal.
Hopefully the UAE leader doesn't get the Anwar Sadat treatment.
Quote from: Sir Slash on August 13, 2020, 01:48:50 PM
Good point. The UAE didn't want the UAV's to start showing-up. ;D
I'm sure part of their rationale were the UAVs that started showing up from Iran already. ;)
Iran was already making some loud noises about having control of both sides of the Persian Gulf, one way or another.
Quote from: jamus34 on August 17, 2020, 08:54:45 AM
Hopefully the UAE leader doesn't get the Anwar Sadat treatment.
Good point. The UAE is pretty open to foreign operation within its borders in some ways, particularly for business purposes, but socially they can be pretty conservative by Muslim standards -- which doesn't bode well for agreeing to a peace with Israel. (Even though as noted the UAE wasn't at war with Israel exactly.)
I hope this leads to some other Muslim nations being more friendly to Israel and vice versa. Obviously some aren't going to take that path (not at this time anyway), but the potentiality alone makes this a big deal.
Now we'll see whether Trump gets nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. I have a hard time believing the Nobel Committee would award it, but he deserves more than just a nomination for this.
Quote from: JasonPratt on August 17, 2020, 09:23:53 AM
Now we'll see whether Trump gets nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. I have a hard time believing the Nobel Committee would award it, but he deserves more than just a nomination for this.
Considering what a complete BS the Nobel Prize for Peace thing is, why would anyone really care?
Wearing mine used to be great for picking-up hot chicks back in the day. Now it makes a somewhat adequate coaster. :hug:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-reacts-nobel-peace-prize-nomination-honor
Yeah. And this is actually deserved. Unlike when Obama received the honor in 2009 based on what he promised to accomplish, rather than on what he actually achieved.
Trump should have received this award when he crossed the DMZ in Korea, engaged in real diplomacy with North Korea and deescalated at a time when it appeared the peninsula was on the brink and nobody was talking.
Where is Pete Dero in this thread? Why no linked article about how this peace accord was really not engineered by Trump and it's just a ploy to distract from his failure to prevent the spread of covid-19? At least we have Tpek to equivocate.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on September 10, 2020, 06:42:04 AM
Yeah. And this is actually deserved. Unlike when Obama received the honor in 2009 based on what he promised to accomplish, rather than on what he actually achieved.
Trump should have received this award when he crossed the DMZ in Korea, engaged in real diplomacy with North Korea and deescalated at a time when it appeared the peninsula was on the brink and nobody was talking.
Where is Pete Dero in this thread? Why no linked article about how this peace accord was really not engineered by Trump and it's just a ploy to distract from his failure to prevent the spread of covid-19? At least we have Tpek to equivocate.
Ok. You asked for it >:D : this nomination is no big deal :
A nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize may be submitted by any person who meets the nomination criteria. A letter of invitation to submit is not required. The names of the nominees and other information about the nominations cannot be revealed until 50 years later.
There are 318 candidates/nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize for 2020, of which 211 are individuals and 107 are organizations.
318 is the fourth highest number of candidates ever. The current record of 376 candidates was reached in 2016.https://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/
And for the second time, he has Mr Tybring-Gjedde to thank. In 2018, the right-wing politician was one of two Norwegian lawmakers to nominate Mr Trump for the same prize, then for his efforts to bring reconciliation to North and South Korea.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54092960
So he was also nominated for crossing the DMZ in Korea.
If this leads to real peace in the area (and I hope it does, but we need some time to see how this turns out) he should get the credit for engineering this deal.
Quote from: JasonPratt on August 17, 2020, 09:23:53 AM
Quote from: Sir Slash on August 13, 2020, 01:48:50 PM
Good point. The UAE didn't want the UAV's to start showing-up. ;D
I'm sure part of their rationale were the UAVs that started showing up from Iran already. ;)
Iran was already making some loud noises about having control of both sides of the Persian Gulf, one way or another.
Quote from: jamus34 on August 17, 2020, 08:54:45 AM
Hopefully the UAE leader doesn't get the Anwar Sadat treatment.
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Now we'll see whether Trump gets nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. I have a hard time believing the Nobel Committee would award it, but he deserves more than just a nomination for this.
Looks like you called that one, Jason
I know the Left will find a way to pooh on Trump's parade, that's all they CAN do about it. The, 'Right-Wing' politician stuff was predictable but totally absent when Obama got his nomination from the Left Wing pols. And since when is Peace a bad thing? Anywhere? By whoever accomplishes it? Only in the world of, "Win-At-All-Costs" politics. If Trump could cure blindness, the Left would go pro-blinders to thwart him. :idiot2:
For me, one of the most important aspect from Trump's administration is that no new war has started.
Quote from: Anguille on September 10, 2020, 09:51:57 AM
For me, one of the most important aspect from Trump's administration is that no new war has started.
Amazing, isn't it? Especially considering how the left was convinced he would kick off the apocalypse. Perhaps walking loudly and carrying a big stick works too.
What are the odds that Trump will get the prize? Consider this:
In December 1987 Regan and Gorbachev signed the INF treaty, which banned an entire class of nuclear weapons. Who won the 1988 Peace prize? The UN Peacekeepers. (https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/1988/press-release/) Of course, the Nobel committee partially rectified this error by awarding the prize to Gorbachev in 1990 for his single handed peaceful ending of the cold war. https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/1990/press-release/ >:D
Wait! Do you mean... this could be....political? :o
Another positive step in the process.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-bahrain-israel-mideast-deal-peace
Trump seems to be on a roll. Could this be the beginning of a covenant with many?
Shhh.... I'm trying to listen to the sounds of heads rolling in Tehran. ^-^
...and Trump gets a 2nd nomination. Trump's second Nobel Peace Prize nomination comes from Sweden. (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/09/11/trump-receives-second-nomination-for-nobel-peace-prize-n2576058)
I've been doing some reading on this and have some thoughts on why it has happened and why it has happened now. Some of this comes from a WSJ column by Walter Mead on 9/15/20 pg A17.
First, lets look at the strategic situation in the Middle-East among the Arab countries.
The three strongest military powers currently are Turkey, Iran and Israel.
Turkey has given up on joining the EU and their leader is following Muslim nationalism as a path to gain and hold power. Turkey now allows groups that wish to overthrow other Muslim governments sanctuary in Turkey - specifically the Muslim Brotherhood active in Libya and Egypt. Turkey has turned sharply away from Israel and now embraces the Palestinians. Their economy is a mess.
Iran is a regional military power that actively seeks to disrupt other governments in the region. They are probably one of the top world governments attempting to topple other governments in the world. Iran is a special enemy of the Gulf States, moderate Arab governments, Israel, and Sunni governments. They have started cooperating with the Turks.
Israel has decided that a two state solution will never work unless the Palestinians change their leadership. There is no real "peace party" left in Israel. They are happy to have better relations with most any government that does not seek to do them harm.
The US under Trump has:
1] Withdrawn a lot of troops and has little interest in a lot of boots on the ground.
2] Had far closer relations with Israel
3] Decided that Iran was totally untrustworthy and been far more aggressive on sanctions.
4] Been friendlier with the Gulf States.
But, Biden has stated he will:
1] Go back to the "peace plan" with Iran.
2] Is hostile to USA oil production
3] Is much more hostile to human rights issues with the Gulf States and more moderate Islamic States.
4] Is far more critical of Israel.
A lot of the Mideast/Arab countries are very unstable right now.
Libya - has no effective central government.
Iraq - Is very weak.
Syria - Is very weak
Egypt - Is very weak and has been hammered economically by the collapse of tourism world wide. They also are targeted for overthrowing the current government by both Iran and Turkey.
Lebannon - Is dominated by Hezbollah & Iran
The Gulf States & more moderate Muslim States at this moment see that Israel may be their best military ally in the short to medium term. They have grave doubts about Biden supporting them or being tough with Iran. They see both Turkey & Iran acting to destabilize their governments.
What is striking to me, is the Arab League voted to censure the UAE and could not get majority support to censure them.
This was a big change.
I look at the Gulf Nations and countries like Kosovo and Morocco they can have better relations and perhaps military cooperation with Israel against very real regional threats to their governments from Iran & perhaps Turkey. They fear Biden getting power. The time to move is now while they have a favorable administration in Washington.
Anyway, these are my thoughts on what is going on, why it is going on, the reason why things are moving so quickly right now. Feel free to provide any facts I've overlooked which either support or disprove my opinions. I think my facts are right - but my interpretation could be far off.
Interesting analysis.
Trump and Netanyahu have claimed that "many other," in fact, "most" Arab states are close to signing onto the deal.
Flip that around: aside from Iran and Turkey, obviously, which Arab states AREN'T likely to sign up for this unofficial alliance? (Palestine isn't really a state, but otherwise not them obviously.)
I haven't checked up in a while, but does Iran control the coastline and interior lines between the Persian Gulf and India?
I know Pakistan and Afghanistan and some former Soviet republics far to the north are between Iran and India; I'm thinking farther south where the Gulf politics might come farther into play. That does raise the question whether Pakistan might offer support though. Can't imagine Afghanistan would, with their Taliban troubles resurging.
There are pirate states on the south coast of Arabia, can't believe they'd jump in. Unsure how many states are on the Red Sea right now. Ethopia is technically a Christian state (sort of, historically -- they used to be the oldest unconquered Christian state in the world. Probably a Marxist state now?)
^I would imagine that Ethiopia would have a relatively good relationship with Israel and would not want to do anything to worsen that.
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Airboy in particular will love this.
Quote from: Gusington on September 16, 2020, 02:11:16 PM
^I would imagine that Ethiopia would have a relatively good relationship with Israel and would not want to do anything to worsen that.
Well, Israel kind of encouraged the (kind of) Jewish cultists of Ethiopia to migrate to Israel, but when they arrived they were treated not so well as inferior blacks, so I don't see why the remaining Ethiopians would be inherently friendly to Israel, unless it involves weapons or global political considerations.
Quote from: Lotti Fuehrscheim on September 16, 2020, 07:37:22 PM
Quote from: Gusington on September 16, 2020, 02:11:16 PM
^I would imagine that Ethiopia would have a relatively good relationship with Israel and would not want to do anything to worsen that.
Well, Israel kind of encouraged the (kind of) Jewish cultists of Ethiopia to migrate to Israel, but when they arrived they were treated not so well as inferior blacks, so I don't see why the remaining Ethiopians would be inherently friendly to Israel, unless it involves weapons or global political considerations.
WTF are you talking about? "kind of encouraged"? "(kind of) Jewish cultists"? Israel went through great efforts over four decades to help Jews in Ethiopia immigrate, at great risk and great cost. As far as "(kind of) Jewish cultists", I have no idea what you think you're on to, but it sounds like misinformed nonsense to me.
Curious to me that Turkey and Iran would be cooperating with each other being that one is Sunni and the other Shite. The historical antipathy between Turks and Arabs makes it a little more sensible, but then nobody's been at each other's throats longer than the Turks and Persians. I suspect like an old Western movie, the first guy in the bar that pulls his gun starts the whole damned place shooting at each other.
In my mind the Ethiopian Jews are just that - Ethiopian Jews. Don't know where the idea of 'cultists' comes from.
I think in the beginning there was a huge amount of skepticism about the Ethiopians being really Jewish. But since then DNA and other evidence supports their claim to Jewish heritage and they are now totally accepted in Israel. At least they were when I was there in 2009.
There is an Ethiopian Jew in my unit who is totally devout and makes me look like a tree hugging, godless heathen.
It's one guy, so take it as you will. But Ethiopian Jews have a long, devout history - or so I thought.
Ethiopian Jews have a very long independent history, and their religion has developed differently. They are called Haymanot in Israel, but that word in Ethiopia just means cult/sect/religion, or religious branch in general and can be applied to Christian or Muslim cults/sects/branches as well.
Here an article about their status in Israel.
https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2019/07/11/the-killing-of-a-black-jew-sparks-protests-in-israel
Quote from: Lotti Fuehrscheim on September 17, 2020, 11:53:56 AM
Ethiopian Jews have a very long independent history, and their religion has developed differently. They are called Haymanot in Israel, but that word in Ethiopia just means cult/sect/religion, or religious branch in general and can be applied to Christian or Muslim cults/sects/branches as well.
Here an article about their status in Israel.
https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2019/07/11/the-killing-of-a-black-jew-sparks-protests-in-israel
i cannot find anything of substance that refers to the Ethopian practice of Judiasm as a "cult". Furthermore, I cannot find any source that defines Haymanot as meaning "cult". It means faith or religion in every dialect and carries no negative connotation that I can find. It is used in Israel to refer to those who belong to the Beta Israeli community, or Jews of Ethiopian descent.
My guess about Ethiopian Jews being kind of side-eyed for a while, would be due to the alternate Temple they set up after the Jerusalem Temple was destroyed.
For other religions that wouldn't be a big deal, multiple temples everywhere, but that's a pretty big deal in Judaism. I could understand being careful about integration, to ensure there weren't going to be problems. They could still be integrated, but it would be sort of like when Eastern Orthodoxy brings in former Roman Catholics or vice versa.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on September 17, 2020, 12:12:43 PM
Quote from: Lotti Fuehrscheim on September 17, 2020, 11:53:56 AM
Ethiopian Jews have a very long independent history, and their religion has developed differently. They are called Haymanot in Israel, but that word in Ethiopia just means cult/sect/religion, or religious branch in general and can be applied to Christian or Muslim cults/sects/branches as well.
Here an article about their status in Israel.
https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2019/07/11/the-killing-of-a-black-jew-sparks-protests-in-israel
i cannot find anything of substance that refers to the Ethopian practice of Judiasm as a "cult". Furthermore, I cannot find any source that defines Haymanot as meaning "cult". It means faith or religion in every dialect and carries no negative connotation that I can find. It is used in Israel to refer to those who belong to the Beta Israeli community, or Jews of Ethiopian descent.
I don't mean cult in a negative fashion. Just to indicate that their religious customs are different from mainstream Judaism. (that is why I offered alternative words in my second post). But not all Jews accept the Ethiopian practices as fully Jewish. And I gave you a respectable source on the problems of Ethiopians in Israel.
Quote from: Lotti Fuehrscheim on September 17, 2020, 12:49:58 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on September 17, 2020, 12:12:43 PM
Quote from: Lotti Fuehrscheim on September 17, 2020, 11:53:56 AM
Ethiopian Jews have a very long independent history, and their religion has developed differently. They are called Haymanot in Israel, but that word in Ethiopia just means cult/sect/religion, or religious branch in general and can be applied to Christian or Muslim cults/sects/branches as well.
Here an article about their status in Israel.
https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2019/07/11/the-killing-of-a-black-jew-sparks-protests-in-israel
i cannot find anything of substance that refers to the Ethopian practice of Judiasm as a "cult". Furthermore, I cannot find any source that defines Haymanot as meaning "cult". It means faith or religion in every dialect and carries no negative connotation that I can find. It is used in Israel to refer to those who belong to the Beta Israeli community, or Jews of Ethiopian descent.
I don't mean cult in a negative fashion. Just to indicate that their religious customs are different from mainstream Judaism. (that is why I offered alternative words in my second post). But not all Jews accept the Ethiopian practices as fully Jewish. And I gave you a respectable source on the problems of Ethiopians in Israel.
Your respectable source is locked behind a paywall. It requires a subscription. Additionally, I never challenged your point about the community facing discrimination. I only challenged your claim that Israel only "sort of" made an effort to help Ethiopian Jews emigrate to Israel and that Ethiopian Jews are only "sort of" Jews belonging to a "cult". You haven't established either claim.
From what little is not behind the paywall, Israel took in so many Ethiopian Jews that they are almost 2% of the population. That is a pretty darn generous acceptance of refugees.
Other than being familiar with the Old Testament and the New Testament references to Judaism, I lack the knowledge to understand potential differences between Jews from different countries.
This may be a difference caused by "UK English" and "USA English" in how the word "cult" is used. Cult has a very negative religious connation in the USA.
In Lotti's defense, I don't think he's a native English speaker. It might have just been an honest misunderstanding of the finer connotations of the English language.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-third-nobel-nomination-doctrine
Didn't notice this earlier, but a couple of days ago President Trump (and his administration) helped broker a formal peace deal between Sudan and Israel; as we kind of expected, and certainly hoped, might happen!
Now we'll have to see what happens going forward -- all the possibilities we thought about before seem to still be on the table: does building what amounts to a burgeoning anti-Iran/Turkey confederation put pressure on those governments to play nice? Does it push them closer to each other and do their governments think this means they'll have to escalate to keep regional influence from slipping away? Does this mean the US will be more committed now to hitting Sudanese anti-government forces? And what will happen, or not happen, after the election, win or lose either way?
Trump also confirmed that Saudi Arabia is one of five more nations looking to sign on.
WOW! :wow: Wonder why we haven't heard ANYTHING about this from the News Media, other than FOX of course? Never mind, I know why. So do you. ::)
Quote from: Sir Slash on October 26, 2020, 10:42:43 AM
WOW! :wow: Wonder why we haven't heard ANYTHING about this from the News Media, other than FOX of course? Never mind, I know why. So do you. ::)
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/23/politics/trump-sudan-israel/index.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-54554286
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/23/world/middleeast/sudan-israel-trump-terrorism.html
https://www.ft.com/content/2479b33f-dd81-4cb1-97a6-7b4e777e7c93
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-lifts-sanctions-sudan-announces-deal-israel/story?id=73788360
https://www.vox.com/2020/10/23/21530280/usa-sudan-israel-peace-deal-trump
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/sudan-and-israel-agrees-us-brokered-deal-to-normalise-relations
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-23/trump-says-israel-and-sudan-reach-peace-accord-after-uae-deal
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/10/23/donald-trump-sudan-normalize-relations-israel-after-terror-designation-lifted/3514503001/
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/23/sudan-to-join-uae-and-bahrain-in-recognizing-israel-trump-says.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielcassady/2020/10/23/trump-announces-that-sudan-will-israel-normalize-relations/
You are right : I found NOTHING :uglystupid2:
^ Pete, it was reported, but buried. Good news about anything Trump does must be either ignored or buried.
Quote from: airboy on October 26, 2020, 11:15:30 AM
^ Pete, it was reported, but buried. Good news about anything Trump does must be either ignored or buried.
+1
I read CNN every day. Pro Trump news is never front page, no matter how important or factual. Negative conjecture is often front and center. It does not seem like good reporting. Fox and CNN are both deficient in reporting foreign news. I have to go to BBC, Reuters and others to get world news.
Well, that is more than I was aware of and I'm positively surprised. However I don't see any main-stream TV news organizations listed and I bet the ones listed buried the stories or gave credit to anyone other than the Trump Admin. I certainly haven't heard anyone from the many TV interviews Trump has done lately even mention it. Climate Change, plenty. I guess Peace just doesn't sell as well. Sedans, yes. Sudans, not so much. :idiot2:
Quote from: Sir Slash on October 26, 2020, 01:44:51 PM
Well, that is more than I was aware of and I'm positively surprised. However I don't see any main-stream TV news organizations listed and I bet the ones listed buried the stories or gave credit to anyone other than the Trump Admin. I certainly haven't heard anyone from the many TV interviews Trump has done lately even mention it. Climate Change, plenty. I guess Peace just doesn't sell as well. Sedans, yes. Sudans, not so much. :idiot2:
I know I saw it on CNN (and CNN is on the list I posted above) in what must have been prime time in the US (it was late at night over here in the EU).
The fact good news is buried can often be blamed on Trump himself.
I've heard reporters say after the vice presidents debate that they wanted to discuss how Mike Pence performed well in the debate but then Trump said 'Kamala Harris is a monster' and the focus in the media shifted.
And this is only one occasion where he steals his own thunder.
We have all forgotten that you salute the rank (or in this case the office of the president) and not the man. This allows those who don't like the man to still show respect for the rank.
Quote from: Pete Dero on October 26, 2020, 02:30:07 PM
The fact good news is buried can often be blamed on Trump himself.
And this is only one occasion where he steals his own thunder.
Agreed with that. He says whatever random thought is going through his brain at that moment and often makes "stupid news" as a result.
On the "bright side," the people of the USA have a clearer idea of what the President is actually thinking about compared to all previous Presidents. But like most things, something that is a positive can become a negative if taken to extremes.
The last debate was supposed to highlight Foreign Policy and would've been an excellent time to discuss all the Trump accomplishments in the field. Too bad Racism in America and Climate Change was considered more important.
peace through promising more f-35 sales.... what could go wrong with that in the middle east. :idiot2:
I was thinking that same thing, too.
I also wonder what Israel was promised, above and beyond diplomatic relations, to even think of letting those sales go through.
Quote from: Sir Slash on October 26, 2020, 01:44:51 PM
Well, that is more than I was aware of and I'm positively surprised. However I don't see any main-stream TV news organizations listed...
I saw at least three on that list (ABC, CNN, and BBC), or four (if MSNBC counts which I think it usually does when complaining about the msm. ;) )
I wasn't trying to say I had missed it from news slanting against Trump; I just had been out of pocket for a couple of days, and didn't see a post here about it yet updating the thread. O:-)
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on October 26, 2020, 07:56:08 PM
I also wonder what Israel was promised, above and beyond diplomatic relations, to even think of letting those sales go through.
So far those nations signing on don't seem like direct military threats, so they might see splitting the sheets more solidly against Iranian influence as a win worth pursuing.
I have a feeling Sudan, at least, is going to mar Trump's administration track record about putting new boots on the ground, though.
I can see the Gulf States giving up Pali/plo/hezi support for F-35s and a middle finger to Iran.
all the Gaza strip has given the rest of the ME is heartburn.
Quote from: airboy on September 17, 2020, 01:34:44 PM
From what little is not behind the paywall, Israel took in so many Ethiopian Jews that they are almost 2% of the population. That is a pretty darn generous acceptance of refugees.
Ethiopian Jews are not refugees. This had nothing to do with generosity but with the wish to bring back as many Jews back to Israel as possible.
Quote from: Anguille on October 27, 2020, 05:20:33 AM
Quote from: airboy on September 17, 2020, 01:34:44 PM
From what little is not behind the paywall, Israel took in so many Ethiopian Jews that they are almost 2% of the population. That is a pretty darn generous acceptance of refugees.
Ethiopian Jews are not refugees. This had nothing to do with generosity but with the wish to bring back as many Jews back to Israel as possible.
They are refugees.
They were mistreated and persecuted (and in the past even butchered) in Ethiopia and their lives were in danger there.
The vast majority of immigration to Israel is made of refugees.
Quote from: Tpek on October 27, 2020, 10:13:23 AM
Quote from: Anguille on October 27, 2020, 05:20:33 AM
Quote from: airboy on September 17, 2020, 01:34:44 PM
From what little is not behind the paywall, Israel took in so many Ethiopian Jews that they are almost 2% of the population. That is a pretty darn generous acceptance of refugees.
Ethiopian Jews are not refugees. This had nothing to do with generosity but with the wish to bring back as many Jews back to Israel as possible.
They are refugees.
They were mistreated and persecuted (and in the past even butchered) in Ethiopia and their lives were in danger there.
The vast majority of immigration to Israel is made of refugees.
The political situation in Ethiopia was very bad indeed but the situation in 1991 wasn't the same as the one for the operation made in Sudan for exemple. They were all in their communities and had not fled to a camp or elsewhere, so imho, they are not really refugees. It was a political decision to bring them home in Israel. My point however was to question the argument of
generosity in their case as they are considered Jews like European Jews even though they had a different path for nearly 1000 years. It's not like if they were hindus coming from Hyderabad or christians coming from Delaware...
Guys - If any of you are upset that I used the term "refugees" I apologize. This was very generous of Israel as I stated earlier - and that was the intent of my comment.
Quote from: airboy on October 27, 2020, 11:00:39 AM
Guys - If any of you are upset that I used the term "refugees" I apologize. This was very generous of Israel as I stated earlier - and that was the intent of my comment.
I am not upset at all. I just don't see why it's supposed to be generous. It's the whole point of the existence of Israel. The country was made for all the Jews, including the ones from Ethiopia.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-morocco-israel-arab-peace-plan
:clap: :clap: :clap:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/jared-kushner-brokers-deal-ending-saudi-arabias-fight-with-qatar
Not with Israel but another step towards peace in the Middle East.
At this rate, the Mid-East will be the peaceful place on Earth and we'll be the warzone. :o
Biden has put a hold on all arms transfers to multiple countries that the Trump administration got peace deals from. Often, arms deals are reviewed by a change of parties in the White House. I do not know how this will work out for the US and other participants.