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Title: German U-boat wreck in Labrador?
Post by: Shelldrake on July 27, 2012, 06:33:45 AM
If the object at the bottom of the Churchill River near Muskrat Falls is a U-boat, what was the crew doing almost 200 km from the coast?!

http://www.thestar.com/printarticle/1232162 (http://www.thestar.com/printarticle/1232162)
Title: Re: German U-boat wreck in Labrador?
Post by: TheCommandTent on July 27, 2012, 07:26:37 AM
That would one heck of a find if it turns out to be a U-boat.
Title: Re: German U-boat wreck in Labrador?
Post by: mirth on July 27, 2012, 09:43:53 AM
^ That would be amazing. Seems unlikely, but I'd love it if turns out to be true.
Title: Re: German U-boat wreck in Labrador?
Post by: Shelldrake on July 27, 2012, 10:29:33 AM
Picture of sonar image is shown in this article.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/07/26/search-team-returning-to-churchill-river-after-release-of-sonar-images-showing-suspected-nazi-submarine/

A U-boat (U-190) was also deliberately scuttled at the mouth of Halifax Harbour, coming to rest close by the wreck of HMCS Esquimalt which was sunk earlier by U-190.

http://www.cbc.ca/video/watch/News/Canada/NS/ID=2260959337
Title: Re: German U-boat wreck in Labrador?
Post by: Jack Nastyface on July 27, 2012, 11:59:20 AM
Methinks the Germans infiltrated St. Johns, got screeched in at a local bar, then went on a drunken u-boat driving binge until they hit bottom (literally and figuratively) in the Churchill River.  Surviving members eventually made their way into S. Ontario where the set up German and Euro delis around New Hamburg, and Kitchner/Waterloo.
Title: Re: German U-boat wreck in Labrador?
Post by: Staggerwing on July 27, 2012, 06:52:12 PM
I think that the more important question is...

How much will it cost to fix up and put back in service? I mean, it's not like the Canadian Navy can't use another sub and, heck, this one is made in Germany!

Title: Re: German U-boat wreck in Labrador?
Post by: LongBlade on July 27, 2012, 09:31:06 PM
Quote from: Staggerwing on July 27, 2012, 06:52:12 PM
I think that the more important question is...

How much will it cost to fix up and put back in service? I mean, it's not like the Canadian Navy can't use another sub and, heck, this one is made in Germany!

Ha! Good point.
Title: Re: German U-boat wreck in Labrador?
Post by: mirth on July 28, 2012, 07:23:38 AM
Quote from: Staggerwing on July 27, 2012, 06:52:12 PM
I think that the more important question is...

How much will it cost to fix up and put back in service? I mean, it's not like the Canadian Navy can't use another sub and, heck, this one is made in Germany!



I think it's safe to say it'll cost less than it has with those Victorias!
Title: Re: German U-boat wreck in Labrador?
Post by: LongBlade on July 28, 2012, 07:53:02 AM
And a second U-boat has been found off Massachusetts. The Canadian sub fleet has almost doubled!

QuoteDivers have discovered a World War II-era German submarine nearly 70 years after it sank under withering U.S. attack in waters off Nantucket.

The U-550 was found Monday by a privately funded group organized by New Jersey lawyer Joe Mazraani. It was the second trip in two years to the site by the team, some of whom had been searching for the lost U-boat for two decades.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/27/explorers-find-downed-german-u-boat-off-mass594059
Title: Re: German U-boat wreck in Labrador?
Post by: Staggerwing on July 28, 2012, 01:46:37 PM
Wouldn't the People's Massachusetts Army Navy have first dibs? I think they just extended their territorial waters to just off the Irish coast...
Title: Re: German U-boat wreck in Labrador?
Post by: besilarius on July 28, 2012, 02:39:03 PM
At the start of the Revolution, there was a New England brig that captured an english merchant.  Might have been the Massachusetts Navy.
The ship was named Black Vomit (bet you never found this mentioned in American Heritage magazine), which was an acronym for Yellow Fever, or Yellow Jack.
God, sea captains can be so out there.
Title: Re: German U-boat wreck in Labrador?
Post by: LongBlade on July 28, 2012, 02:40:19 PM
Quote from: besilarius on July 28, 2012, 02:39:03 PM
At the start of the Revolution, there was a New England brig that captured an english merchant.  Might have been the Massachusetts Navy.
The ship was named Black Vomit (bet you never found this mentioned in American Heritage magazine), which was an acronym for Yellow Fever, or Yellow Jack.
God, sea captains can be so out there.

I'm starting to wonder if most of us here aren't descended from sea captains...
Title: Re: German U-boat wreck in Labrador?
Post by: besilarius on July 29, 2012, 08:23:33 AM
I'll try not to go one much about Yellow Fever, but that captain must have been uttely irreverent.
One of the uglier side effects of dying from Yellow Fever is the Black Vomit.  He probably survived a bout of it and wanted to let the world he wasn't scared of it anymore.
If syphilis was the gift of the New World back to the old, Yellow Fever was Africa's response to the slave trade serving the Carribbean sugar islands.
At one point, Horatio Nelson's frigate, Hinchingbroke, came into harbor with only 22 members of the crew not laid flat by the disease.
During one attack on a French sugar island, an English army lost almost 90% of its troops to Yellow Jack.
And, of course, the Panama Canal was not built until it was understood that the mosquito, Aedes Aegypti, was the vector.
Doctors literally killed themselves trying to understand the causes.  One brave soul, to prove his belief, actually drank black vomit, showing it was not the causative agent by surviving.
Two other doctors fought a duel over their different theories.  Naturally, both died from wounds, and naturally, they were both wrong.
Title: Re: German U-boat wreck in Labrador?
Post by: Shelldrake on August 08, 2012, 03:32:34 PM
A search by a remote operated submersible failed to confirm that the sonar image was a sunken  U-boat. It seems that the area of interest is now buried under feet of mud and silt.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2012/08/07/nl-uboat-german-submarine-labrador-806.html
Title: Re: German U-boat wreck in Labrador?
Post by: Staggerwing on August 08, 2012, 06:59:01 PM
^Too bad. Maybe you can get a good deal on the CSS H. L. Hunley? It has really low mileage and all..