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Title: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Grim.Reaper on April 12, 2019, 03:32:32 PM
Trailer released today.....being a Star Wars homer, looking forward to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adzYW5DZoWs
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Anguille on April 12, 2019, 03:53:05 PM
Can only be better than the last one....has to be. Going to be a long wait....good to see Lando. Hope we'll finally have some answers.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: JasonPratt on April 12, 2019, 04:29:47 PM
0.) I start out annoyed before a single frame, thanks to YT's new "feature" of narrow-widescreening theater aspecting some videos. Not the commercial's fault or anything to do with Star Wars' current state of existence. It just looks dumb. I switch over to full screen.

1.) Don't care about her story anymore. But she's going to be in it, so whatever.

2.) "We've passed on all we know." -- you literally passed on nothing in the previous movie, which you fully intended. Your lessons weren't to train her (which she didn't need anyway because she doesn't even need the books she rescued, "Already she knows all she needs," or whatever.) Your three lessons (and you never got to the third) were to teach her that the Jedi have to end. You thought Yoda burned the books, and were upset he did so, EVEN THOUGH YOU YOURSELF WERE GOING TO BURN THEM!  :pullhair: (After which Yoda completely disses any value to the books.) So I have no reason to suspect the books will be important either.

The trailer starts with blatant lies. But I'll assume she has some kind of force connection with the books and gets force trained by having the knowledge plugged into her so that she now knows kung fu, even though she didn't need to train even slightly for any period of time at all to already be the most powerful semi-Jedi evar.

3.) "A thousand generations live on in you." I suppose this will be how her marvelousness, too good for this sinful earth, will be explained. Somehow.

4.) Oh, her hair is back to that pointlessly complex shape from Ep 7 (which she kept since she was five). It made more sense when she lost her non-desert-dwelling-hairdo (from back growing up in the desert) during the dark side dive. That was the only thing that made sense about that dive, so they're reversing that one minor positive improvement now. Yay.

5.) John Williams nostalgic score is nostalgic, but I have plenty of other better films to be nostalgic with that score over.

6.) Cinematography looks good.

7.) The concept of having someone flip backwards to strike a speeding Tie Ravager (or whatever it's called), looks nifty, and seems like something cool and unexpected a Jedi would do. I'd be more impressed if they hadn't already made her so overpoweredly the best evar. (First time shooting the Falcon's guns ever, she kills three Ties with one shot. That's like satire, but we're supposed to take it seriously and be impressed at how she doesn't even have to work to be so awesome.) I don't think, wow, she's worked really hard and gotten a lot better, good for her! -- I think, huh, I bet she pulls this out of nowhere on the spur of the moment.

8.) Kylo Ren killing some poor schlub in a burning forest with his broken lightsaber. Looks cool, nice cinematography, swelling music is nostalgic. Don't care.

9.) Whats....... oh. Okay, he's fixing his mask. But giving it fake scars, so people will think it has authentic battle damage (Kung Fu Panda ref!  :D ) instead of being smashed up by him in a pathetic fit because Snoke, whom we aren't supposed to care about anymore, told him to stop wearing it because it's stupid. ... ....... I CLAPPED, I CLAPPED WHEN I SAW IT, SCREW YOU SNOKE!!!1

10.) Look, Finn and Poe are posing in the movie, too, doing nothing that matters! Nice cinematography, swelling music is nostalgic.

11.) BB8 is cocking his little head at me sadly, questioning my attitude toward this trailer. Is that a nondescript pet droid of his own at hi---nevermindmovingquicklyalong

12.) Oh, poor Lando, they did drag you into this, didn't they? Lando looks like he's genuinely having fun. Doing nothing very obviously important, just going somewhere in the Falcon. Chewie means nothing to this series anymore, so is given nothing to do but at least he's with a friend having some fun. Good for them. Get out of this fiasco, guys, at ludicrous speed.

13.) "The Saga Comes To An End". Already did in Episode IX. (Heck, it ended on such a hard stop that I'm not even kidding by calling it Episode 9 by accident. I genuinely always think that TLJ is "Episode IX". I always have to correct myself that it was only Ep 8. I didn't even catch myself here until reading it over again to late the hate flow freely!) There's practically nothing to resolve. The bad guys looked like incompetent comical trash in the last film, in order for the plot to continue past the first three minutes onward through the entire running time, so I'm not worried about any threat (never shown, only heard about) of them "reigning", when all I've seen of them has been destroyed completely or reduced to a couple dozen bulky walkers.

14.) Bang whizz in the desert. Excitement? C3P0, check, just along for the ride, check. Best orchestration of this music ever, possibly. Lots of unseen talent in the background killing themselves to give their all for this film.

15.) Fingering something that looks like a cheap prop, of no clear importance. Maybe it's important to hardcore fans, which the producers have been pissing on for years now. But I don't know what it is or why I should care.

16.) Aw, she survived long enough to be in a scene hugging Rey! That's nice. Rey, whom she knew for around fifteen minutes in the previous film, I think, but hey, she liked Rey so much that instead of asking one of her longest friends what happened to her husband that she felt, she went and hugged Rey!! So.... this fits. I guess. The prior two films have less than no reason to care about Rey's relationship to Leia. "Like Rey, please like her!" choruses the music at this shot! "The dead character you like so much likes her! Doesn't that tug at your every heartstring?!" (Scrooged ref!  :D )

17.) "I'll always be with you." {shrug} I guess, because Force Ghosts are an established thing, so sure. But Luke HATED EVERY MOMENT he spent with Rey. And she hated being with him and being so disappointed in him, and his refusal to go help his own family and friends at least, so she abandoned him and went back to do it herself. He wasn't her teacher, he was explicitly her anti-teacher. And he doesn't fake showing up at the end to not-rescue her as a distraction, he fake-showed-up to not-rescue his sister, and maybe to get some closure with Kylo. I would a lot more fully believe Luke is saying this if Kylo was on screen right now. That would be dramatically interesting!

18.) Surviving cast shot in a grey-blue uninteresting place doing nothOH HEY, THERE WAS A PET ROBOT NOW FOR BB8! (The only shot so far that doesn't look great. Could still be fixed in post.)

19.) ....what? BWAHAHAHAHAHA OM MY GOD THERE WAS AN ENDOR HOLOCAUST!! Most interesting and also unintentionally amusing thing in the trailer so far. I take back the uninteresting grey-blue surviving character pose shot. That was worth it.

20.) ...........really? They're dragging Palpatine into this, too? "No one's ever really gone." sigh. Could be interesting but I have no confidence anymore.

21.) Official title (unless they change it ;) ), "The Rise of Skywalker". Nice try, movie, but I don't believe it.

Best version of the Skywalker theme ever. Film should look great. I almost couldn't care less. Will probably let my nieces drag me to it, to be with them. Will try to be nice while I'm there. Let the hate flow through you! Kill the past two films, burn it if you have to, etc.


Sorry, franchise. You squandered my goodwill and insulted me for caring (and I'm not even a hardcore fan). You don't get a free pass anymore. The grand finale might in theory be great but I have no basis for thinking so and plenty of past experience with your creators to doubt it (long before Ep 7, in JJ's case). Sometimes a series can slam catastrophically out of control and scream flaming off a cliff, and still come back strong. But I'm not going to assume it will.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: JasonPratt on April 12, 2019, 04:32:49 PM
Quote from: Anguille on April 12, 2019, 03:53:05 PM
Hope we'll finally have some answers.

JJ Abrams does not have a great track record of that, even when he has his own stable of writers on a project. After Rian burned down the franchise, while foisting in a script based on an idea he had before JJ wrote Ep 7? --- my lack of faith is palpable.




(IT'S A PUN! BECAUSE PALPATINE IS LAUGHING AT US FROM THE TRAILER!!!  :D  >:D )
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Huw the Poo on April 12, 2019, 04:45:21 PM
Quote from: Anguille on April 12, 2019, 03:53:05 PM
Can only be better than the last one

"The last one" is quite possibly one of the worst films of all time.  It would take a deliberate, conscious effort to make a worse film.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: SirAndrewD on April 12, 2019, 05:02:38 PM
I'll hold my full judgement on the individual parts of the trilogy until we see the final film.

I am cautiously optimistic about the possibility that they'll at least make Palpatine relevant to the sequels.  Without him at least having some kind of influence, it's made the movies seem overall pointless since the story was pretty much wrapped up with a bow at the end of Return of the Jedi.  The Last Jedi made it seem even more pointless since it turned out Snoke was just a red herring. 


We'll see.  Though it is telling that I'm a lot more excited about The Mandalorian and the return of the Clone Wars than I am about the impending release of this film. 
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Tpek on April 13, 2019, 08:04:41 AM
Quote from: Anguille on April 12, 2019, 03:53:05 PM
Can only be better than the last one....has to be. Going to be a long wait....good to see Lando. Hope we'll finally have some answers.

Please don't jinx it!

The previous film is one of the dumbest movies ever produced.


You know things are bad in the Star Wars franchise when you actually miss that highly forgettable movie about the Ewoks on Endor. :buck2:

EDIT: Actually bothered to watch the teaser now...
Ohhh ************ no!
This might actually compete with the previous film for stupidity.

And frankly, putting Carrie Fisher in the teaser/trailer seems highly disrespectful towards her. They're using a loved actress who passed away to drag people to watch this crap.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Staggerwing on April 13, 2019, 08:18:12 AM
Quote from: Tpek on April 13, 2019, 08:04:41 AM
Quote from: Anguille on April 12, 2019, 03:53:05 PM
Can only be better than the last one....has to be. Going to be a long wait....good to see Lando. Hope we'll finally have some answers.

Please don't jinx it!

The previous film is one of the dumbest movies ever produced.


You know things are bad in the Star Wars franchise when you actually miss that highly forgettable movie about the Ewoks on Endor. :buck2:

Don't overlook the brilliant Star Wars Christmas special...

Cliffnotes version:



The whole thing complete with genuine period-correct advertisements:
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Tpek on April 13, 2019, 08:23:50 AM
In any case, here's a refresher course on the races of Star Wars, so you can catch up before Rise of the Sewage Water comes out.




EDIT: For those that want more recaps:

Star Trek Races:


Lord of the Rings:
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Sir Slash on April 13, 2019, 10:23:48 AM
This is becoming a very racist thread. If I'm allowed to say, 'thread' without offending any seamstresses her about. If so, then please spit at my message and shut me off. Thank you.  :peace:
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Tpek on April 13, 2019, 10:52:10 AM
Quote from: Sir Slash on April 13, 2019, 10:23:48 AM
This is becoming a very racist thread. If I'm allowed to say, 'thread' without offending any seamstresses her about. If so, then please spit at my message and shut me off. Thank you.  :peace:

Because of the discussion on Star Wars (and Star Trek) Races? :P
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: JasonPratt on April 13, 2019, 01:47:40 PM
I thought it was because of the Race of Skywalker.



....Rise! Oh, Rise! Race of the Skywalker was Episode 1.

"Now this is pod-racing!"
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: JasonPratt on April 13, 2019, 01:48:44 PM
To be as fair as possible to the Ep 9 trailer: if I didn't have prior context, I would think the trailer looks and certainly sounds promising, if kind of empty on plot details (not surprisingly, given that it's an early teaser).
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Tpek on April 13, 2019, 05:00:17 PM
Quote from: JasonPratt on April 13, 2019, 01:48:44 PM
To be as fair as possible to the Ep 9 trailer: if I didn't have prior context, I would think the trailer looks and certainly sounds promising, if kind of empty on plot details (not surprisingly, given that it's an early teaser).

What happened to the days when trailers weren't supposed to reveal the entire plot and you actually had to watch the movie or read about it?
These days almost every trailer just straight gives out the entire plot, with the movie itself doing nothing more than to pad the trailer with some more CGI action scenes.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Staggerwing on April 13, 2019, 05:18:08 PM
Actually, most of the MCU trailers have been pretty good at keeping much of the plot a surprise. While they may spoil a few bits of the best dialogue and some key scenes I've always been surprised at how much more movie I actually got to see than i expected from its trailers.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: JasonPratt on April 13, 2019, 05:44:14 PM
Oh, I'm not actually complaining about a lack of plot details in an early teaser trailer (even one as sumptiously produced as this one). I totally understand it.

Nor do I want trailers which spoil increasing amounts of plot. {looks at the G2019 trailers} {or rather tries not to look because they keep spoiling awesome things}

I do expect trailers to eventually give me a basic idea of the plot however. Even if it's only a basic idea of the first 20 minutes of plot.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: SirAndrewD on April 15, 2019, 11:19:30 PM
Based on the original Had Abbadon draft of Revenge of the Jedi by Lucas, and the events of the Vader Comic, Rebels and Empire's End, I feel I have figured out what "Rise of Skywalker" will be.  I'm not sure the "Skywalker" that you expect is the one that's going to be what they're going for.

Io9 seems to agree in a recent article.  Rebels and the Vader Comic seeded some really good wild stuff with the World between Worlds and Lord Moimin and the veil between life and death. 

Lucas intended the final battle on Had Abbadon to be the breaking of the veil.  That it'd need to pierce life and death to defeat the Emperor, who already had the mastery of these things.

Going to share it with a few people and we'll see if I'm right.

But, step one, read the first "Had Abbadon" draft of Revenge of the Jedi. The Lava room scene is pretty important to the whole "The Dead Return" theme that we're being led to.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: W8taminute on April 16, 2019, 02:03:10 PM
So I finally got around to watching the trailer.  All I'll say is "Have you ever heard the tragedy of episode 8?"

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/022/073/Did_you_ever_hear.jpg)
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Dammit Carl! on April 16, 2019, 03:59:28 PM
However it turns out, it will be kind of interesting to be able to say to someone that "why yes, I have seen all 9 Star Wars movies - not including the stand alone ones - in actual movie theaters - some multiple times," in that smug, Simpson's Comic Store Guy voice.

It's the little things, eh?
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Tpek on April 16, 2019, 05:40:57 PM
Quote from: Dammit Carl! on April 16, 2019, 03:59:28 PM
However it turns out, it will be kind of interesting to be able to say to someone that "why yes, I have seen all 9 Star Wars movies - not including the stand alone ones - in actual movie theaters - some multiple times," in that smug, Simpson's Comic Store Guy voice.

It's the little things, eh?

Saying that about the original trilogy I can understand, but the newer ones?!
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Dammit Carl! on April 16, 2019, 05:43:11 PM
Quote from: Tpek on April 16, 2019, 05:40:57 PM
Quote from: Dammit Carl! on April 16, 2019, 03:59:28 PM
However it turns out, it will be kind of interesting to be able to say to someone that "why yes, I have seen all 9 Star Wars movies - not including the stand alone ones - in actual movie theaters - some multiple times," in that smug, Simpson's Comic Store Guy voice.

It's the little things, eh?

Saying that about the original trilogy I can understand, but the newer ones?!

I'm a completionist by nature, so yeah.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: JasonPratt on September 03, 2019, 11:31:01 AM
We're not far from the actual release of the film, and puzzlingly the trailers so far have barely given an idea about it -- mostly trading on nostalgia.

According to a rumor from inside production (and taking this with a huge grain of salt), the reason for the scattershot trailers so far, is that the film was shot largely without a script (seems unlikely) and JJ Abrams has a bunch of different editing cuts of the film that he's trying to choose from for release -- which sounds plausible.

In other words, what has been presented so far is advanced market research, to try to see which ideas for stories be most acceptable and thus draw the largest initial and repeat audiences.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Barthheart on September 03, 2019, 11:36:11 AM
Quote from: Dammit Carl! on April 16, 2019, 05:43:11 PM
Quote from: Tpek on April 16, 2019, 05:40:57 PM
Quote from: Dammit Carl! on April 16, 2019, 03:59:28 PM
However it turns out, it will be kind of interesting to be able to say to someone that "why yes, I have seen all 9 Star Wars movies - not including the stand alone ones - in actual movie theaters - some multiple times," in that smug, Simpson's Comic Store Guy voice.

It's the little things, eh?

Saying that about the original trilogy I can understand, but the newer ones?!

I'm a completionist by nature, so yeah.

Dammit Carl! I'm with you.  :nerd:
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: W8taminute on September 03, 2019, 03:30:58 PM
I respect that and understand what you mean Dammit Carl. 

For me however, the needs of story without the taint of heresy outweigh the needs of the completionist. 
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: JasonPratt on September 03, 2019, 06:08:00 PM
Unless it's a 40K story, arguably.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: JasonPratt on December 18, 2019, 08:14:17 AM
Me: What? Jeremy liked it?! THANK GOD!?!?



Jeremy: ".......I might owe you a bit of an apology, for trolling you with that thumbnail..."

Me:  :hide:
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Gusington on December 18, 2019, 08:59:48 AM
Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Grim.Reaper on December 18, 2019, 09:24:51 AM
only 1 day and 17 hours until i see it....but who is counting:)
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Gusington on December 18, 2019, 10:09:52 AM
Been catching up on The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi with the kids as well as enjoying The Mandalorian. Have been enjoying most of the new movies and series so much more than the Phantom Menace movies. Except for Solo...I guess I should rewatch that again, didn't enjoy it as I had hoped. Loved Rogue One.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: airboy on December 18, 2019, 12:02:45 PM
I would be happy if they did not remake, again, what had already been done previously.  Rogue 1 was the only "original" after the first three that I found interesting.

Probably heresy to Star Wars fans, but aside from Rogue 1 I found everything after the first three to be meh at best.  Plus, I dislike Yoda, hate Ewoks, and was irritated they put a four lane highway to destroy the second death star in the 3rd movie.

Flame away if you wish, but after the first 2 (aside from Yoda) it was all downhill.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Jarhead0331 on December 18, 2019, 12:07:51 PM
Quote from: airboy on December 18, 2019, 12:02:45 PM
I would be happy if they did not remake, again, what had already been done previously.  Rogue 1 was the only "original" after the first three that I found interesting.

Probably heresy to Star Wars fans, but aside from Rogue 1 I found everything after the first three to be meh at best.  Plus, I dislike Yoda, hate Ewoks, and was irritated they put a four lane highway to destroy the second death star in the 3rd movie.

Flame away if you wish, but after the first 2 (aside from Yoda) it was all downhill.

I agree, but in addition to Rogue One, I also enjoyed Solo. I thought the brief ground combat sequences were the most authentic from any of the films.

Episodes I, II, III, VII and VIII were garbage. Although V, VI and VII are watchable with nothing better to do.  VIII, The Last Jedi, was perhaps the most egregious of all and may have actually ruined the entire series. I am extremely skeptical whether Rise of Skywalker can save the IP. I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Grim.Reaper on December 18, 2019, 12:12:02 PM
I'll have to watch solo again, I actually fell asleep watching it at the drive in...wasn't sure if because boring or because old and I couldn't stay up that late:)

I am certainly a Star Wars fan boy so I love and will watch anything they throw at me but certainly some movies were better than others
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Sir Slash on December 18, 2019, 12:52:43 PM
I always like Star Wars movies more, the more times I watch them, including the original. I think my expectations are too high going in to really like them and a second or third viewing reveals more subtle details I missed earlier. Still the last one was a dog. And I LIKE dogs. But not that one.  :hide:
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Jarhead0331 on December 18, 2019, 02:20:35 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/12/18/review-disney-and-lucasfilms-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-is-a-terrible-end-to-the-skywalker-saga/?fbclid=IwAR0WSPgGtwQqcbzIynRFEi_138fztkYAhZ5e706L5_bf-fr0GEyEvZ5uaCA#6863d1ad113c (https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/12/18/review-disney-and-lucasfilms-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-is-a-terrible-end-to-the-skywalker-saga/?fbclid=IwAR0WSPgGtwQqcbzIynRFEi_138fztkYAhZ5e706L5_bf-fr0GEyEvZ5uaCA#6863d1ad113c)

Quote
Review: 'Rise Of Skywalker' Is The Worst 'Star Wars' Movie Ever
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Gusington on December 18, 2019, 02:24:02 PM
Oh dear.

FWIW, there's a CNN spoiler free review that basically states just the opposite of that Forbes review.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Grim.Reaper on December 18, 2019, 02:27:56 PM
I think we will see a lot of positive reviews as well as negative reviews, pretty typical with the series:)

I am staying away from all material related to avoid any potential spoilers and want to form my own opinion....reviewers and I seldom agree:)
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Huw the Poo on December 18, 2019, 02:39:28 PM
If it's actually worse than The Last Jedi, I will have to adjust my internal definition of the word 'crap'. :D
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Gusington on December 18, 2019, 03:38:29 PM
Haha
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: SirAndrewD on December 18, 2019, 03:50:54 PM
The best current Star Wars isn't to be found in a Movie Theater, is streaming on Disney + right now. 

I'll give Rise of Skywalker a chance, but I'm more excited about the next two episodes of Mandalorian.

Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: besilarius on December 18, 2019, 05:04:54 PM
With Christmas a week away, here for your viewing pleasure, one of the rarest of rare Star Wars artifacts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH8rxarVG8&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR12bK26W_0ZWjbgYHCUbYUK7Pe2cOLJ9fKXpbK6g8qOh0bQyncEUKlqHNM
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: JasonPratt on December 18, 2019, 07:35:23 PM
It's interesting that the "access media" invited especially to the premier, gave an average 55% on RT (for a while at first anyway, not sure where it currently is).

GEORGE LUCAS (apparently) didn't get invited. They did. (Lucas wasn't on the public list for attendees, though it's entirely possible he wouldn't or couldn't make it even though he was invited; so then he wouldn't have been on the list.)

There's a rumor going around, with some solidity (from sources that have proven dependable in the past), that Lucas was asked to try saving Episode 9 in post; and he came up with an edit which incorporated thirty extra minutes (part of the footage being filmed up until recently), which tested significantly better (at 85%) than any of the prior ten or twelve test edits. But they aren't using that edit, evidently -- if this rumor has any accuracy to it.


Bro is taking the girls to see it with a neighbor family Friday night. I'm curious in a way, but I won't see it in theaters unless (1) I can go with family, and/or (2) I start seeing good reviews from people I trust (i.e. who agreed with me about the quality of 7 and especially 8).
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: JasonPratt on December 19, 2019, 02:56:11 PM
Only you can help us now, IGN!



...oh. Um.

To paraphrase myself slightly from elsewhere: that was the nicest 7.0 grade to a 2-star review I've ever seen.

At least RT's score has gone up to 56%!
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: JasonPratt on December 19, 2019, 03:14:46 PM
Emergency Awesome has a much more positive review:

Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: JasonPratt on December 19, 2019, 03:28:33 PM


An appreciative meh from the Mr. Sunday Movies crew?
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Destraex on December 20, 2019, 10:06:58 AM
Just saw it and can confirm it is useless pointless crap cobbled together for maximum randomness.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Gusington on December 20, 2019, 10:10:43 AM
I am very much enjoying the Mandalorian. Have finally caught up, except for the just released episode, which I've read has driven a few fans insane...not sure why.

That should be some consolation for everyone sleeping though the new movie.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Anguille on December 20, 2019, 10:24:34 AM
Quote from: airboy on December 18, 2019, 12:02:45 PM
I would be happy if they did not remake, again, what had already been done previously.  Rogue 1 was the only "original" after the first three that I found interesting.

Probably heresy to Star Wars fans, but aside from Rogue 1 I found everything after the first three to be meh at best.  Plus, I dislike Yoda, hate Ewoks, and was irritated they put a four lane highway to destroy the second death star in the 3rd movie.

Flame away if you wish, but after the first 2 (aside from Yoda) it was all downhill.

For me, there are only the first 3 Stars Wars who deserve the name of classics (and i consider myself a Star Wars fan but a purist). I've enjoyed watching the rest but it's never been the same: 1-3 have some bad actors and are too long, 7-8 have terrible (horrible! how can they have so little imagination) scripts but are fun to watch. Rogue One was fun but the end is stupid and doesn't fit with the script of Episode IV (didn't they watch the first 15 minutes of Episode IV?). Going to watch 9 next week...i expect it to be fun despite a weak scripts plenty of plot holes.

Cannot see the Mandalorian here...not yet.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Gusington on December 20, 2019, 10:41:05 AM
You will be...you will be.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Grim.Reaper on December 20, 2019, 01:08:02 PM
Saw it this morning....pretty much what I expected and predictable.  Watchable and I enjoyed it enough but I can see how some people like it, while others might hate it.  Won't say much to avoid spoilers....
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: JasonPratt on December 20, 2019, 01:17:07 PM
I'll be very curious what the nieces say (and maybe Bro) when I see them tomorrow.

At the very least I expect it to be a lot more visually interesting than Ep 8. Maybe if there's an music/sfx only track mix, I can enjoy the pretty pictures and sounds...
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: JasonPratt on December 20, 2019, 01:37:33 PM


Appreciative meh from Stuckmann, too. "Very mixed feelings, not as bad as you're going to hear from multiple people this weekend."
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Gusington on December 20, 2019, 01:38:17 PM
I hesitate to ask...but you didn't enjoy the Red Knights in Episode 8?
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: JasonPratt on December 20, 2019, 02:22:33 PM
Looked sharp -- absolutely one of the visual highlights of the film (along with the red salt);

Fought sloppily (is that really the take we're going with, oh okay!); had no character; weren't the knight of Ren.

But hey, they didn't have Sith powers.

Presumably the knights of Ren will. But so will MERELY RECOLORED RED STORMTROOPERS.  :hide:

(This is so silly and so obviously a desperate attempt at capitalizing on unsold overstock never even shipped to stores, that RLM lampooned them as being hoaxy knockoffs on the "Nerd Crew" recently.)

The Red Knights should have been the Knights of Ren. So we get schizophrenic fulfillments of that now. sigh.

Still, yes, the Red Knight guards in the Red Throneroom did look sharp, along with the general Ming the Minimalist Merciless aesthetic there.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Gusington on December 20, 2019, 02:58:54 PM
So you did find some visual interest in Episode 8!
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: SirAndrewD on December 20, 2019, 06:12:41 PM
Way too many hand waving in it.  It moved from plot point to plot point, trying to put out the fires the Last Jedi made.  Since it had no ability to develop it's plot it throws in mcguffins, fan service, widgets and deus ex Jedi. 

It did partly borrow from Lucas' original plot for Return of the Jedi, but so compressed it that the last act was mostly just a "Lets get this done as fast and neatly as possible".

Disney blew this the minute they decided to do three movies with three different directors and visions.  There was no way to salvage it when the second act went off he reservation and essentially tied up all the plot points. 

I'm sure Disney is looking forward to all the comic books, novels, tv shows and tie ins that will fill in the massive blanks in the film. 
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: JasonPratt on December 20, 2019, 08:15:53 PM
Quote from: Gusington on December 20, 2019, 02:58:54 PM
So you did find some visual interest in Episode 8!

Sure; salt planet, too. I only said I'm surprised people talk about it as the most visually impressive of the films. It literally could not be that, due to the very limited settings (the main one being a straight line space chase with no referentials.)

I liked the Irish monastic island in principle (not a big fan of anything they did there), but it mostly wasn't shot to be very visually impressive.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: SirAndrewD on December 21, 2019, 12:44:19 AM
A review I was forced to write.  I don't like writing....

Saw a Star War...

Revenge of the Sith should've been the last main sequence Star Wars film.

The sequel trilogy never should've been made.

It is a disjointed mess of different voices, fighting against each other, and producing an incoherent finale full of decent ideas, not fleshed out in prior installments and direct attempts to retcon previous installments.

If the sequels had been a coherent vision, they might have had some value. As they stand, they're a mish mash of writer and directors fighting against each other, either to please or shock fans and sometimes fighting against each other for the results.

They're ultimately a failure as an coherent experience compared to the original six films. And yes, that acknowledges the problems of the prequels and their poor acting and ridiculous characters.

Regardless of the prequels failings, they were a consistent vision, not liked by all or most fans, but they were all three connective to what was wanted by the writer/director.

The sequels never decide what they want to be in their first two acts, and by the third act, they hand wave and force into the story what the makers have finally decided to do.

It functions as expedience to get to the end more than any kind of caring about what came before. Tick the boxes of fan service. Hit things to make people feel happy. Lets excite you by showing Wedge for 2 whole seconds.

In the end, it is hollow. It feels like applying band aids to the previous two sequels. It has good performances from great actors. Adam Driver stands out. Ian McDiarmid wears his role like an old glove but is utterly misused. Daisy Ridley is best in the last chapter. But, for all their performances, they're just going through the motions.

Hand wave, to widget, to Deus Ex Jedi.

It's worst because it had potential. It could've been better than it was. The idea behind the third act wasn't awful. What was awful was that it was executed in one movie, and very little consideration was given to making the end have the weight it deserved.

I always said I'd give my final opinion on the sequels when I saw all three. I would not judge one harshly because the whole counted.

Well, we're now at the end. "Young fool...only now at the end, do you see"

Yes now your Highness, I do see. Their failure is now complete.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Destraex on December 21, 2019, 08:05:13 AM
Well said Sir Andrew. The whole thing was about warping from one disjointed empty plot point to another without paying attention to "where they were, what they were doing" or where they had been. A lot of it just blatantly ignored what had happened in the past episodes.
Are spoilers appropriate in this thread?
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: JasonPratt on December 21, 2019, 08:35:53 PM
You know what's coming.



...what, you thought this was Plinkett? He retired with the Last Jedi.  ::)
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: SirAndrewD on December 22, 2019, 12:06:54 AM
The Pitch meeting was absurdly spot on.  More than usual.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: airboy on December 22, 2019, 01:53:03 PM
We sit in the theatre, waiting, the air thick with anticipation and the smell of popcorn and broken dreams. There aren't that many people, surprisingly. A few superfans are dressed up as obscure alien characters we don't recognize.

The movie comes on. It is a confusing CGI spectacle. The plot is unclear. We wonder why God has unleashed this vengeance upon us. We toss someone overboard to see if that appeases His wrath. It does not. More CGI comes on screen. It is a colorful vomit of characters with silly names, dramatic speeches about nothing, and lots of singing and dancing.

And fur. So much fur.

It is then we realize we're in the wrong theatre, watching Cats with a bunch of furries. We rush down the hall and into the right theatre as they hiss at us.

Then, it finally comes onscreen: STAR WARS! The opening crawl appears: "People who thought The Last Jedi was a masterpiece: Leave this theater now." This crawl sets the tone for the rest of the movie. From Rey looking at the camera and saying, "Hey, guys, sorry about that last one" to JJ Abrams making a cameo appearance where he pushes Rian Johnson down a reactor shaft, the movie is full of subtle winks and nods that Disney is disavowing The Last Jedi. It feels cheap for them to change direction, almost design-by-committee, but then again, it was The Last Jedi.

Things happen on the screen. The space wizards have laser sword battles. Some things explode with deafening booms in space, Neil deGrasse Tyson be darned. We cheer and clap at the appropriate moments. We shout, "Yes!" when something good happens and "No!" when it looks like all hope is lost.

At the exciting conclusion of the film, an interactive element comes into play: "We can only defeat the Emperor if you all clap and say, 'I do believe in Star Wars!'" Rey shouts. "I can't hear you!" The audience is electrified. One by one, we stand, mere mortals alone, but something bigger together. People of different races, creeds, colors, nationalities, and classes all standing as one in defiance of the Dark Side.

It is then we realize the Resistance is not fictional. We are the Resistance, you and I. Together. Standing.

The caption that then appears reading, "By standing you agree to subscribe to Disney+ for $9.99/mo" cheapens the moment, but only a little. Overall, we all agree this was a satisfying conclusion to a trilogy that made us say, "Yes, this universe is somewhat recognizable as Star Wars."

Some other stray observations as we try to gather our thoughts:
- Naming the object they were searching for "MacGuffin" seemed a little on the nose.
- Palpatine the Grey returning as Palpatine the White felt derivative.
- Disney vendors walking up and down the aisles shouting, "Baby Yoda, Baby Yoda, Get your Baby Yodas here!" distracted a bit from the action onscreen.
- The movie was alright, but man, we coulda been rewatching The Mandalorian instead.
- The characters linking hands and singing "We Are The World" over the end credits was a nice touch.
- The lesbian kiss got all the media buzz, burying the lede that Rey and Kylo declare they have an open, polygamous relationship at the end.
- Hey, JJ Abrams, whatever happened with that polar bear in Lost?

We will definitely be seeing it again, as Disney has contractually obligated all Star Wars fans to no less than 7 repeat viewings.

We'll say this in no uncertain terms: Rise of Skywalker is better than Cats.
https://babylonbee.com/news/rise-of-skywalker-the-babylon-bee-review
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: JasonPratt on December 22, 2019, 02:01:58 PM
I lol'd pretty hard at the second paragraph!

Meanwhile, a somewhat more-positive-than-average review from the HISHE guy.

Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: airboy on December 22, 2019, 02:08:21 PM
We are going to see a movie on Tuesday.
One that we have been looking forward to seeing for months.
I'm certain that we will thoroughly enjoy it.

It is called......
[spoiler] Jumanji: The Next Level[/spoiler]

I'm sure we will have a good time.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: JasonPratt on December 23, 2019, 06:39:04 PM
At last.



Listening to them give pretend reviews at the beginning as sincerely as possible in overgushing praise -- read from tweets...  :2funny:


Worth noting, btw, they seriously did not hate the film. They're kind of impressed at how much plot was sloppily thrown into it (enough for six films or three tv seasons).

They're really pretty cheerful, all things considered. Consensus: JJ Abrams spun straw into bronze.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Huw the Poo on December 23, 2019, 07:00:38 PM
Who the hell wants to spend 70 minutes watching a review of a film?

Apart from you of course, Jason. :D
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: FarAway Sooner on December 23, 2019, 07:59:08 PM
Classic, Airboy!  Great stuff...

I went to see it with my son yesterday, and once I accepted that the Star Wars franchise will never be more than cheeseball Heroe's Journey fare, I relaxed and enjoyed it immensely.  Truth be told, I only realized that 41 years after seeing the original Episode IV in the movie theater.

The last movie was fun.  They had to basically ignore all the plot twists gratuitously thrown into The Last Jedi and refocus the story, which suggests that the whole "We'll let a different director do each episode" approach for the Final 3 was kinda silly.  There were a lot of nice twists and subtle nods to the history of the series.

Watching it with my enraptured son, who is the same age I was when I saw Star Wars, I realized that the franchise has been a thread through my life for going on 4 decades now.  As disappointed as I was with many of those movies (OK, fully half of them), Star Wars introduced me to a world of swashbuckling sci-fi that's never released its hold on my imagination even after I've turned 50 years old.

All things considered, that's not small potatoes.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: JasonPratt on December 23, 2019, 08:08:50 PM
I just like listening to them talk about things.  O:-)

Incidentally, the nieces apparently loved it. The oldest one cried at least three times, by consensus report: "UGLY crying" she clarified, with a very amused grin.

Bro has completely failed to interest them in Tolkien films (or Tolkien at all), but has succeeded in some key regards.  O0 (Over-against amused eye-rolling from his wife!) (Who, it must be said, completely did not realize Spock had died at the end of Star Trek 2, back when they were dating.)
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: W8taminute on December 24, 2019, 11:39:32 AM
Quote from: Huw the Poo on December 23, 2019, 07:00:38 PM
Who the hell wants to spend 70 minutes watching a review of a film?

Apart from you of course, Jason. :D

You should watch Angry Joe's review.  It's over 2 hours long!

Incidentally a lot of people I know are puzzled as to why I won't see this movie.  Calling me a big baby for not wanting to watch this Heresy.  Unfortunately I cannot reach them through the logic of a long time Star Ward nerd.  Their disbelief that I won't see a movie with a star wars label on it is being made very clear to me.  I will continue to resist.  I will not suffer the taint of the Disney Heretics. 

In other words:

Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: JasonPratt on December 24, 2019, 01:58:10 PM
Quote from: W8taminute on December 24, 2019, 11:39:32 AM
Quote from: Huw the Poo on December 23, 2019, 07:00:38 PM
Who the hell wants to spend 70 minutes watching a review of a film?

Apart from you of course, Jason. :D

You should watch Angry Joe's review.  It's over 2 hours long!

I'm saving that one for when I eventually watch the thing.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Martok on December 24, 2019, 02:54:51 PM
Quote from: W8taminute on December 24, 2019, 11:39:32 AM
Incidentally a lot of people I know are puzzled as to why I won't see this movie.  Calling me a big baby for not wanting to watch this Heresy.  Unfortunately I cannot reach them through the logic of a long time Star Ward nerd.  Their disbelief that I won't see a movie with a star wars label on it is being made very clear to me.  I will continue to resist.  I will not suffer the taint of the Disney Heretics. 

You speak my language.  Good to know there are some who understand.  8) 
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: JasonPratt on December 24, 2019, 03:27:18 PM
Buzz today over a Rotten Tomatoes weird ongoing stat blip.

The critical score has varied only a point or two over the past several days, which is reasonable since most professional critics have weighed in already and their tally hasn't changed much.

The audience score has stayed at 86% over several days, as reviews numbers rose from 6231 to 37,571 verified reviews yesterday (the 23rd).

As of today the score dropped one percent to 85.




Someone in the comments to the Quartering video went full autism ;) , and created a spreadsheet to analyze the reviews.

QuoteSo where Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker had a pretty low critic score I've been curious to see how audience members would score the movie.

* The first day at roughly 2,200 reviews it was at 86%.  I thought oh, maybe its a movie critics got wrong.

* The second day after hearing from many people they did not enjoy it I checked again.  roughly 13,400 reviews... 86%. Odd.

* The third day at roughly 40,00 reviews. Seeing many youtube videos of people saying it was possibly the worst of the nine. It was like they stuffed two movies in one.  Hearing from many people that they simply didn't enjoy it.  Still at 86%.

This was very suspicious so I decided to look at archive data. To look at the rating every single hour during the three days it's been released.

From 2,000 to 40,000. And checking every hour of each day... at no point does the score change from 86%.

So I decide to dig a bit deeper. I decided to do the insanity that was... manually counting every audience viewer score there was. Thanks to the incredibly power that is spreadsheets and databases I was able to do this in a reasonable time; few hours. And I can say *There are significant abnormalities*

The review of
> 5 Stars! Amazing ending to an amazing story!
shows up 2,243 times. 

> 5 stars! Great effects. Fun, action filled story. JJ Abrams brought together the old and new elements. Recommended.
Shows up 3,143 times.

> 5 Stars! Excellent conclusion to the Skywalker Saga.
Shows up 2,243 times.  Not joking the exact same amount as the amazing ending comment.

There is some minor variations.  But it's very likely that a keyword bot was created to make reviews to this. You just don't get those kind of abnormalities otherwise.

As for the actual user score according to spreadsheets and manual entry. The movie sits at a score of....

64%

Note that he included the suspected bot scores in that average, since he had no way to decisively prove those were bots.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Huw the Poo on December 24, 2019, 03:45:37 PM
Yeah it's been fairly common knowledge for a while that aggregation sites like Rotten Tomatoes (and metacritic for example) are gamed by certain organisations.  After all, it is an aspect of marketing, and we all know how much the big film studios spend on marketing.  It's why I pay no attention whatsoever to them.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: SirAndrewD on December 24, 2019, 03:55:36 PM
I work in publishing where I run strategy and sales.  Review gaming is just a thing.  If you don't do it it's a very bad business decision. 

If you want a better audience measure that relies on exit polling, use this...

https://www.cinemascore.com/
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Huw the Poo on December 24, 2019, 05:54:03 PM
I have reservations about exit polling but it's still better than aggregation sites, I agree there.  It's not something that can be gamed.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: DoctorQuest on December 24, 2019, 06:10:07 PM
I saw it today with my son and we both enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Staggerwing on December 24, 2019, 11:02:26 PM
Quote from: JasonPratt on December 24, 2019, 03:27:18 PM
Someone in the comments to the Quartering video went full autism ;)

Really? WTF is that supposed to mean?
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: DoctorQuest on December 24, 2019, 11:05:26 PM
Quote from: Staggerwing on December 24, 2019, 11:02:26 PM
Quote from: JasonPratt on December 24, 2019, 03:27:18 PM
Someone in the comments to the Quartering video went full autism ;)

Really? WTF is that supposed to mean?

Seriously......
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: SirAndrewD on December 25, 2019, 03:52:38 AM
Quote from: DoctorQuest on December 24, 2019, 11:05:26 PM
Quote from: Staggerwing on December 24, 2019, 11:02:26 PM
Quote from: JasonPratt on December 24, 2019, 03:27:18 PM
Someone in the comments to the Quartering video went full autism ;)

Really? WTF is that supposed to mean?

Seriously......

It's a term from the chans and it's frankly disgusting.

Essentially anyone that is obsessed with a topic.  Overly shares.  Is aggressive  with opinion.

If you disagree or get upset call them autistic.

It's a modern day hurling of the R word.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: JasonPratt on December 25, 2019, 12:07:24 PM
Nope, it was meant as a compliment. Autism is treated like a superpower now on the internet. I was referencing a couple of very appreciative comments from the subthread with that guy's analysis.

The concept is linked to Sherlock Holmes and "Rain Man" and similar super-focused amazing genius results from fiction (at least). This started (also on the chans if I recall correctly) back when Shia LeBoef was trying to hide his Trump resistance flags, and super-detailed and focused analytical teams foiled him at least three times within days or in one case hours.

The concept of "autistic screeching" to describe what SirAndy was mentioning, is also still alive and well as a insult criticism, although I don't know why anyone would think from the context that I was trying to insult the analysis. ???

It's admittedly weird, that the term is used for great praise and also great criticism, by the same people, but there we are.

The son of my best friend from high school has rather crippling levels of autism, so I promise I wouldn't report its use as an insult; but I wouldn't use it as an insult regardless -- I have never once done so.  O:-)
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: SirAndrewD on December 25, 2019, 01:24:41 PM
You'll have to forgive the misinterpretation Jason. 

As a teacher I heard that phrase hurled about a lot, and since I had IEP's I knew when it was accurate and how much it could hurt the kids on the other end.

Some of my best students were autistic and a lot of them had a really hard time, not just from the other kids but sadly their parents.  I had parents that treated supremely gifted autistic children like they were non-functional as people.

It also got thrown around at any kid that just seemed to have a passion for something.   I hated seeing kids being shamed for taking an extensive interest  with a word related to a condition that you shouldn't even be ashamed of.

My experiences made me a bit touchy on the subject.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Staggerwing on December 25, 2019, 02:34:34 PM
As the father of two autistic non-savant young men I'm a little biased myself.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: JasonPratt on December 25, 2019, 05:51:58 PM
Totally understandable.  :)
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Oche on December 30, 2019, 05:53:15 PM
Had to share this ("Skywalker Fall: Why New Star Wars Trumps New Coke Disaster") even though this was 2 months before release:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CR7MEIH2lk&list=PLF4F70553836AAAC0&index=112&t=0s



Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: LoganismyHERO on December 30, 2019, 11:31:29 PM
They should rename the title

"Return of the Jedi, pt 2"

Decent enough movie, but MY GOD.....reeked of RotJ
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: solops on January 16, 2020, 08:48:18 PM
Mixed review at my house. My son panned it. My son-in-law loved it. My thought was "Hmmmm, it's not as bad as I thought it would be". Had it been the first or second Star wars movie I would have thought it was one of the great movies of all time. I guess I am tired of seeing the same plot over and over and over. The poor writers must be twisted into pretzels by their effort to add twists to the same story again and again.
Title: Re: Star Wars 9 - Rise of Skywalker
Post by: Sir Slash on January 16, 2020, 11:44:53 PM
And only one Porg scene.  O0