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Zulu1966

And in one of those screen shot is an M106 mortar carrier. Now I am pretty certain that wasn't in the original game ... so this is obviously more than just a cut and paste ... may explain delays... as Steve said.

Looking forward to this.
"you are the rule maker, the dictator, the mini- Stalin, Mao, Hitler, the emperor, generalissimo, the MAN. You may talk the talk and appear to be quite easy going to foster popularity, but to the MAN I say F*CK YOU." And Steve G is F******g rude ? Just another day on the BF forum ... one demented idiots reaction to BF disagreeing about the thickness of the armour on a Tiger II turret mantlet.

MikeGER

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Quote from: Zulu1966 on May 31, 2018, 07:39:02 PM
And I am really at a loss why people get so worked up about it.

because people and especially 'older'= 'best ager' 'silver ager' Grogs sometimes sense that life is finite.
(impacts getting closer, and there are suddenly fatalities in the peer group of age mates)   

or to put it in a less bitter way: the time where health issues creeping in don't hinder to fully joy a certain game/activity
it suddenly matters if a game, (or a movie, or a book, or item, or technology) gets released in 2018 or 2021

for example eye sight issue that cant be fully compensated with glasses ...and it starts with the small print in some games, that don't scale and you don't want to begin to start playing with windows magnifying glass function, or lower resolution blown up to the screen which results in bigger text but less sharp overall image, you name it... yeah, there are always workarounds, aids and tricks, but its not so much fun if you have to use them
not to speak about mental issue like concentration, memory, multitasking, reflexes,...   


Zulu1966

Quote from: MikeGER on June 01, 2018, 08:15:22 AM
Quote from: Zulu1966 on May 31, 2018, 07:39:02 PM
And I am really at a loss why people get so worked up about it.

because people and especially 'older'= 'best ager' 'silver ager' Grogs sometimes sense that life is finite.
(impacts getting closer, and there are suddenly fatalities in the peer group of age mates)   

or to put it in a less bitter way: the time where health issues creeping in don't hinder to fully joy a certain game/activity
it suddenly matters if a game, (or a movie, or a book, or item, or technology) gets released in 2018 or 2021

for example eye sight issue that cant be fully compensated with glasses ...and it starts with the small print in some games, that don't scale and you don't want to begin to start playing with windows magnifying glass function, or lower resolution blown up to the screen which results in bigger text but less sharp overall image, you name it...
not to speak about mental issue like concentration, memory, multitasking, reflexes,...

Well I sense what you are saying...i did find however that especially where battlefront are concerned that it is no help at all to that feeling if you wish your life away waiting for the next update. Hence I don't worry about it anymore
"you are the rule maker, the dictator, the mini- Stalin, Mao, Hitler, the emperor, generalissimo, the MAN. You may talk the talk and appear to be quite easy going to foster popularity, but to the MAN I say F*CK YOU." And Steve G is F******g rude ? Just another day on the BF forum ... one demented idiots reaction to BF disagreeing about the thickness of the armour on a Tiger II turret mantlet.

Ssnake51

Quote from: MikeGER on June 01, 2018, 08:15:22 AM
Quote from: Zulu1966 on May 31, 2018, 07:39:02 PM
And I am really at a loss why people get so worked up about it.
for example eye sight issue that cant be fully compensated with glasses ...and it starts with the small print in some games, that don't scale and you don't want to begin to start playing with windows magnifying glass function, or lower resolution blown up to the screen which results in bigger text but less sharp overall image, you name it... yeah, there are always workarounds, aids and tricks, but its not so much fun if you have to use them

This is one issue that Battlefront has failed to address adequately with their games.  They need to update their UI to include scalable font settings for old farts like myself who are struggling with near vision problems.  Kind of surprising since I would think a large proportion of their fan base are well past their forties. ???

Thomm

Quote from: MikeGER on June 01, 2018, 08:15:22 AM
because people and especially 'older'= 'best ager' 'silver ager' Grogs sometimes sense that life is finite.
(impacts getting closer, and there are suddenly fatalities in the peer group of age mates)   

or to put it in a less bitter way: the time where health issues creeping in don't hinder to fully joy a certain game/activity
it suddenly matters if a game, (or a movie, or a book, or item, or technology) gets released in 2018 or 2021

for example eye sight issue that cant be fully compensated with glasses ...and it starts with the small print in some games, that don't scale and you don't want to begin to start playing with windows magnifying glass function, or lower resolution blown up to the screen which results in bigger text but less sharp overall image, you name it... yeah, there are always workarounds, aids and tricks, but its not so much fun if you have to use them
not to speak about mental issue like concentration, memory, multitasking, reflexes,...

Amazing post!! Kind of sums up why I do not play computer games at all, at least at the moment.

Best regards,
Thomm

Barthheart

Quote from: Thomm on June 01, 2018, 11:00:52 AM
Quote from: MikeGER on June 01, 2018, 08:15:22 AM
because people and especially 'older'= 'best ager' 'silver ager' Grogs sometimes sense that life is finite.
(impacts getting closer, and there are suddenly fatalities in the peer group of age mates)   

or to put it in a less bitter way: the time where health issues creeping in don't hinder to fully joy a certain game/activity
it suddenly matters if a game, (or a movie, or a book, or item, or technology) gets released in 2018 or 2021

for example eye sight issue that cant be fully compensated with glasses ...and it starts with the small print in some games, that don't scale and you don't want to begin to start playing with windows magnifying glass function, or lower resolution blown up to the screen which results in bigger text but less sharp overall image, you name it... yeah, there are always workarounds, aids and tricks, but its not so much fun if you have to use them
not to speak about mental issue like concentration, memory, multitasking, reflexes,...

Amazing post!! Kind of sums up why I do not play computer games at all, at least at the moment.

Best regards,
Thomm

You could read that?  :nerd:

Thomm

Quote from: Barthheart on June 01, 2018, 11:02:46 AM
You could read that?  :nerd:

The magic of Ctrl + Mouse Wheel!  :bd:

Best regards,
Thomm

IICptMillerII

Another great update from Steve over at BFC concerning the upcoming engine 4 patch:

http://community.battlefront.com/topic/126860-update-on-engine-4-patches/

It appears the infantry bug has been fixed, as well as a slew of other issues and tweaks. Release date for the patch is around the same time as Shock Force 2, which is tentatively set for no later than the end of July of this year. This summer is looking pretty great for Combat Mission fans. I know I'm very excited for everything to come.

Grim.Reaper

if and when all these new updates come out, i hope i can remember how to install and patch all these things up, especially since i just got a new computer so i imagine i'll have some licensing issue.

guess i have a couple of months to figure it out.

RyanE

From the patch update...

"Instead of having dozens of fixes in one patch we'll keep it down to the bare minimum, release a patch fairly quickly, then let some time go by and patch another modest number of fixes, and repeat as often as needed."

This is their "new" strategy for patching.  Steve actually said they never thought of doing it this way until now.  This is the frustrating part of watching the BFC PR machine (known as Steve's updates) operate.  Not only is this a a fairly standard patch strategy for most games, it has been suggested numerous times by their customers as a better strategy than patching only when a new release is about to hit.

Michael Dorosh

Full text as follows, from here: http://community.battlefront.com/topic/126860-update-on-engine-4-patches/

QuotePatches for all five existing CM2 Families are coming right on the heals of the CMSF2 release.  This is a lot later than they should be out to you guys, and we are very sorry for it, however we feel realistically that's the best we can do at this point.  That's the short answer for you.

The longer explanation is the nature of CM2 has thrown us a bit of a curveball that requires us to change the way we patch.  In hindsight we should have figured this out months ago, however with our plates as full as they are we didn't see where this would end up until recently.

Since the very beginning of CM1 we pretty much worked on one game at a time.  We'd fix things for the next game, make sure they were working fine, release that game, then patch the previous game.  That worked fine up until the five Family Game Engine 4 Upgrade came out and we now had to make sure that fixes worked equally well for five games all at the same time.  Given the complexity of CM2 games there's a lot that goes into making sure we're not putting out a bad patch and having to go right back into patching again.

The primary problem is with a dozen or two fixes queued up, the chances that a fix might not work correctly, or in fact cause a new problem, for one or more of the five (soon to be six) games is pretty good.  Especially when you consider that the Game Engine code is always being worked on, which means we have to make sure brand new code doesn't mess up things for older releases.  That's a lot of work for our testers.

The solution we came up with is to cut down on the complexity of any one patch.  Instead of having dozens of fixes in one patch we'll keep it down to the bare minimum, release a patch fairly quickly, then let some time go by and patch another modest number of fixes, and repeat as often as needed.  It's too late to adopt this strategy now, so we have to wait until CMSF2 is out the door before going through the patch process.

OK, I can hear some of saying that an alternative solution is to put out "beta patches".  Sorry, no.  As soon as gamers are given something that is called "beta" they start thinking they are beta testers and wanting to have their 2 cents of input on everything.  Not just stuff we're trying to fix but stuff that isn't even broken.  This creates entitlement that we can't possibly live up to, which means we get slammed.  In short, we try to do something good and get treated like bad guys.  No, that's not a road we want to go down.

There you have it.  The long explanation of how we got to this point and our plans for addressing it in the future.

Steve starts out self-deprecating, but can't help himself when it comes to blaming the customers for their shortcomings.

OK, I can hear some of saying that an alternative solution is to put out "beta patches".  Sorry, no.  As soon as gamers are given something that is called "beta" they start thinking they are beta testers and wanting to have their 2 cents of input on everything.  Not just stuff we're trying to fix but stuff that isn't even broken.  This creates entitlement that we can't possibly live up to, which means we get slammed.  In short, we try to do something good and get treated like bad guys.

So remember, troops - it's your fault.


jamus34

I'm not really invested in this discussion one way or the other as I never got into the CM games but that seems like really shoddy PR by BF.

There is probably a dozen ways they could have stated that without blaming their primary stakeholders.  Just seemed unnecessary.
Insert witty comment here.

Jarhead0331

Battlefront has come a long way since its original pledge of dedication to its fanbase...

Que Zulu to the rescue in 5...4...3...2...1... :2funny:
Grogheads Uber Alles
Semper Grog
"No beast is more alpha than JH." Gusington, 10/23/18


mirth

Is anyone really surprised by Steve taking shots at his customer base? That's been a hallmark of BF's marketing strategy for two decades.  :crazy2:
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Jarhead0331

WTF?

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I'll be honest, it is time consuming and very distracting to keep conversations going with you guys.  It's not just the time that's involved (which is cumulatively significant), it's the mental energy that goes along for the ride.  It's not helped by the fact that both value and enjoy the conversations here, which I have to be careful doesn't get in the way of the other ton of things that needs doing.  Being here is not exactly like a big slice of Boston Cream Pie with a side scoop of vanilla ice cream kind of temptation, but in game development terms it's kinda in the same ballpark ;)  Tough to strike the right balance sometimes.

This guy thinks he is a Kanye West level genius... ::)
Grogheads Uber Alles
Semper Grog
"No beast is more alpha than JH." Gusington, 10/23/18