An Idiots Guide To Losing Your CV's Before 1942: WiTP:AE KyzBP vs UCG

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jomni

Congratulations to the Commonwealth Pilots for sinking a carrier before the Americans did.

Sir Slash

Congrats on the Naval Victory KyzBP--- you got to come up with a name for that historic battle. The Ho-Sho-Nuff-Got-Sunk. Didn't she? The secret to Allied victory---- more bi-planes.  O0
"Take a look at that". Sgt. Wilkerson-- CMBN. His last words after spotting a German tank on the other side of a hedgerow.

jomni

Quote from: Sir Slash on February 04, 2016, 11:10:36 PM
Congrats on the Naval Victory KyzBP--- you got to come up with a name for that historic battle. The Ho-Sho-Nuff-Got-Sunk. Didn't she? The secret to Allied victory---- more bi-planes.  O0

Swordfish is stuff of legend.

Silent Disapproval Robot

Quote from: Con on February 04, 2016, 08:09:50 PM
Historically it is a very sad story for the Lark forces

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Rabaul_(1942)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Montevideo_Maru

Yup.  In all honesty, I don't think book 1 is worth it.  The author goes into enough detail about Lark Force in the other two books.

JasonPratt

Eh, prequels never seem quite as good as they sound on paper.  ::)

Just to clarify, I didn't think anyone had leaked any info yet. But with the time differential and a lot of tense important action at the moment, I could see a potential slip occurring more easily under these circumstances.


I'm one of the several people recommending 1000 Mile War, and you're welcome Kyz.  O:-) But also many thanks to those who mentioned it around summer of last year (I think) in the main reading thread.

I am about to go at least wishlist the Rabaul and air/land strategic war analysis books.  :smitten: Anyone familiar with the 1000 Mile War book, will immediately recognize this point:

Quote from: Con on February 04, 2016, 07:34:21 PM[The Allied decisive advantage] turned out to be a couple of strategic decisions even before the war was started on designing simple robust planes, focusing on revetments/runway repairs and having a large standing pool of mechanics (many who were naturally interested in building cars etc) available.

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JasonPratt

And now that we're kind of caught up on Ceylon, I wanted to ask your thoughts on Geek's thrust there, Kyz -- not only on the surprise failure, but more broadly in the context of what else is going on.
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JasonPratt

Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on February 05, 2016, 02:00:28 AM
Yup.  In all honesty, I don't think book 1 is worth it.  The author goes into enough detail about Lark Force in the other two books.

What if they were read in sequence instead of publication order? Would book 2 suffer from the redundancy?
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Sir Slash

I ate Swordfish once, ironically at a Japanese restaurant. It was pretty good. Probably doesn't taste so well to Geekamoto right now though.  ;D
"Take a look at that". Sgt. Wilkerson-- CMBN. His last words after spotting a German tank on the other side of a hedgerow.

Silent Disapproval Robot

Quote from: JasonPratt on February 05, 2016, 09:48:31 AM
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on February 05, 2016, 02:00:28 AM
Yup.  In all honesty, I don't think book 1 is worth it.  The author goes into enough detail about Lark Force in the other two books.

What if they were read in sequence instead of publication order? Would book 2 suffer from the redundancy?

No.  The bulk of book 2 covers the build up of US air assets in the region, the personalities of the leaders involved, and the appointment of General Kenney because Dugout Doug didn't want Doolittle showing up and upstaging him.

KyzBP

Quote from: JasonPratt on February 05, 2016, 09:47:27 AM
And now that we're kind of caught up on Ceylon, I wanted to ask your thoughts on Geek's thrust there, Kyz -- not only on the surprise failure, but more broadly in the context of what else is going on.

I looked at his move towards Ceylon more as one of opportunity rather than any great plan.  I figured he was just destroying ships as he went and just ended up there.  His early success was a part of the cause of his failure there.  I was bottled up at Ceylon because I was afraid to move closer to Rangoon with anything heavy.  Like Geek's untimely move towards Alaska, this one was untimely in the sense that I had a bunch of units there chomping at the bit for something to do.

I suspect Geek is in a mood for revenge.  I'll try not to present him any opportunities the exact that revenge.  I'm going to try to do more damage around Hokkaido before he forces me out of there.  If he delays sending carriers towards AM then I'll take another island up there.  Surprisingly, it's the only place I'm really on the offensive. :idiot2:

I'll try to get the latest update posted tonight, for sure in the morning.  Thanks again to all of you guys for following and contributing to this AAR.  You guys keep me motivated to keep this up.  O0

Con

Fascinating As Spock would say...intriguing insights on your strategy and your opponents intent.  Now we get to sit back and watch.

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http://www.amazon.com/Pacific-Crucible-War-Sea-1941-1942/dp/0393068137/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8


http://www.amazon.com/Conquering-Tide-Pacific-Islands-1942-1944/dp/0393080641/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8

KyzBP

With any luck I'll be able to read all these books before the game ends.

Staggerwing

Con, how are these books AFA maps go? I'm considering the kindle versions but it's hard to read very detailed maps on 6" e-ink readers.
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KyzBP

March 6th, 1942

I decided to reek as much havoc on Hokkaido as I can before I have to leave.

I let the Battleships lead the way.

They did a lot more damage here than I thought they could.  First, Geek had way more planes stationed here than I suspected.  There were
fewer fighters than I thought there would be.  Secondly, I'm very fortunate that he was never able to get all those bombers in the air at once.
I think the could have overwhelmed my CAP.  I think we put a good size dent in Geek's air power around Hokkaido.  I'm also pretty sure he's
going to be upset by this.

The Minneapolis came in to lick the plate.

Again, I'm just trying to do as much damage as I can.  I don't know if there's anything really being gained by all this but it is making me
feel better.

According to the End of Day Report we destroyed 55 planes on the ground.

I'm not sure what -7 planes means for me.  Did I grow 7 planes?

The banged up Northern Waters Attack Force, consisting of a CL and 2 DD's (pretty much all that's left near Darwin) limped out of port.

They shambled their way to Wyndham where they jumped an unsuspecting, and unescorted convoy.  I got lucky here, sort of.  Once again PBY's
were able to inform me that this convoy contained no warships.  I rolled the dice.  They didn't stop there though.

They picked up an extra DD that was lagging behind and went to work again.  All of my ships have some type of critical damage that can't be repaired
at Darwin.  I can't send these guys anywhere to be repaired so I guess they fight until they sink.  If I carefully choose my targets I may be able to
prolong their usefulness.

Bataan did fall today but I never really expected it to hold out more than a day or two.

Nothing else really happened.

Here's confirmation of the first carrier casualties of the war.

I'm sure Geek is not happy.

jomni

I forgot if the pilots die along with their planes when hit in the ground.  Anyone knows?