I could not find a thread for Tank Crew. I imagine it must be mixed in with the flight simulator thread for il2. Merge this if you need to Jarhead, I just thought that it deserved it's own thread.
I hear that infantry elements are coming to tank crew. I will be pulling the trigger on Tank Crew because of this.
Thank you Jason for making this happen. I will be spreading the word to other friends.
Originally the developers were adamant that infantry would never happen as you can see below:
"Then don't buy it and stop trying to discourage others from enjoying it. You want infantry. Heard you. Next.
Jason
"https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/38036-a-few-important-questions-about-tank-crew/page/2/
We do not have the technology or resources to make infantry. We make a vehicle simulation. This will be sold under the IL-2 Sturmovik line of products.
Jason
https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/37499-developer-diary-part-195-discussion/page/4/
But now look at 1:10 in the below interview with Jason.
For those not familiar with this Tank Simulator, see below, I really enjoyed this video with the dedicated tank map.
Basically il2 Tank Battles is a tank simulator with a good level of detail and approximately 10 tanks included with the base game. It plugs into il2 so that pilots can also play with the tanks.
Here is the store page for any interested in the features:
https://il2sturmovik.com/store/tank-crew/
P.S. Movies that I like that (now I have tank crew) will get me in the mood to play:
Seen:
- Iron Fury (t-34 is the eastern name for this movie) - A very recent Russian movie purely about a tank crew. The story is supposed to be based in History but is rather fantastic. Some really good Matrix style CGI and the big draw being the enemy Panthers. Hired this and want it on 4k if that ever happens. Stores here only have it on DVD.
- Tanks for Stalin - An adventure movie about moving the T-34 Prototype for Stalins inspection. I think this is on Tubi?
- Kellys Heroes - A movie with a tonne of Sherman tanks in it and Clint Eastwood. It's a gold heist behind enemy lines in ww2. I have this one on Blu Ray
- White Tiger - I don't recommend this because the Tiger looks silly. It has some good Russian kit lying around though
- Saving Private Ryan - It has the fake Kellys Heroes Tigers in it. Good movie all round. Got it on 4k
- Fury - Some very strange scenes in this movie both tactically and from an acting stand point. It's an annoying movie that I own on blu ray but just cannot watch because of the annoying sidekick in Brad Pitt's tank. The Tiger charges the Shermans for some odd reason in this movie as well as the german infantry forgetting they have AT for some time.
- Stalingrad - A newer Russian version of Stalingrad (not the older good stalingrad movie) that has mock Panzer IV tanks made from T55 hulls I think. Not a very good movie at all and I do not recommend.
- Tankova Brigada - 1955 czech movie about late ww2 czech t-34 tankers. Has some real panthers in it iirc. Thousands of extras but in general a very slow movie. The one I have is in black and white on DVD. But I think it is colourised in the youtube footage I have seen.
- Battle of the Bulge - Unfortunately the tanks in this film are all post ww2 - I think they are American Chaffee's of Korean War vintage and Patton tanks? I mean M24 Chaffee tanks did serve in late ww2, but not the Patton Tanks that pose as tigers. Don't own it but have watched it a few times because it turns up all the time everywhere.
- Saints and Soldiers battle of the tanks - Has Hellcat Tank destroyers in it and a fair amount of tank action. I think they face a pretty good mock up of a panzer III? Think this is pretty easy to get on the standard streaming services.
- Tali-Ihantala 1944 - Good STUG action
- Steiner - T34s I think. But mainly an infantry focus for this one.
Want to see:
- Indestructible - Russian movie about kv1 tankers. I think it has the same T55 chassis panzer IV mock ups as the newer Stalingrad.
Had no idea about until recently:
- To Hell and back
- Four Tank-Men and a Dog - if you can tolerate a really old series
- 28 panfilovtsev - more antitank than tank
- Defiance - Israeli tank crews?
Anybody got any other movie recommendations when it comes to ww2 tanks. Outside of ww2 their was a movie called "the beast" about a Russian tank crew in afghanistan... outside of that I really cannot remember any other tank films per sae.
Quote from: Destraex on July 08, 2020, 09:10:00 PM
Anybody got any other movie recommendations when it comes to ww2 tanks.
The Bridge at Remagen has (non authenthic ww2) tanks in it.
Patton also includes some tanks.
Both of those movies i'd watch. But a shame they are korean era tanks standing in for the real deal. It's like you had the right kinda guys for the ww2 era back then to play the soldiers but none of the gear. Now we have the gear but more modern gloomy types to play the soldiers.
So...
1. I'm not a big fan of IL2 Tanks. They feel clunky, the controls are weird, and the game world is weird - not meant for tanks. Even DCS Combined Arms feels better. You can keep the fancy interiors. They don't mean anything if the tanks plays like shit. I also hate the IL2 scenario editor - it is far inferior to DCS or Steel Beasts. Multiplayer coop is also weird, and feels like an afterthought.
2. DCS has a playable Ferdinand. For someone who develops a flight simulator, he is out of touch with his competitors.
3. He clearly states that First Person Infantry are NOT coming to IL2. Check timestamp:1:11:10 or click the link:
https://youtu.be/jtzPxOi-q6A?t=4273
4. Developing a WW2 game (that includes ground combat) without infantry? Insane.
5. Flight Simulator developers are hilarious when they try to model ground combat....It's just bad, and they are clueless. These guys could model EVERY rivet and widget correctly on whatever obscure 1940s plane (that may or may not have seen combat) but when it comes to modeling a tank they are absolutely lost and confused. I'm more looking at DCS and the awful Combined Arms module but my experience with IL2 Tanks is somewhat similar.
Liberation is what you would call 'epic'.... Quite a few WW2 era tanks and a few later ring-ins...
This is the first of five movies....
Quote from: Apocalypse 31 on July 09, 2020, 12:25:10 PM
So...
1. I'm not a big fan of IL2 Tanks. They feel clunky, the controls are weird, and the game world is weird - not meant for tanks. Even DCS Combined Arms feels better. You can keep the fancy interiors. They don't mean anything if the tanks plays like shit. I also hate the IL2 scenario editor - it is far inferior to DCS or Steel Beasts. Multiplayer coop is also weird, and feels like an afterthought.
2. DCS has a playable Ferdinand. For someone who develops a flight simulator, he is out of touch with his competitors.
3. He clearly states that First Person Infantry are NOT coming to IL2. Check timestamp:1:11:10 or click the link:
https://youtu.be/jtzPxOi-q6A?t=4273
4. Developing a WW2 game (that includes ground combat) without infantry? Insane.
5. Flight Simulator developers are hilarious when they try to model ground combat....It's just bad, and they are clueless. These guys could model EVERY rivet and widget correctly on whatever obscure 1940s plane (that may or may not have seen combat) but when it comes to modeling a tank they are absolutely lost and confused. I'm more looking at DCS and the awful Combined Arms module but my experience with IL2 Tanks is somewhat similar.
I would disagree with everything you said, but to each his own I guess.
I thought the IL2 tanks felt far more authentic than DCS combined arms. I was able to bind all the IL2 tank controls to my HOTAS and it worked great. Now with the addition of infantry, even better.
I do agree with you about the IL2 editor though, it is not user friendly at all.
Quote from: Skoop on July 09, 2020, 12:53:23 PM
Quote from: Apocalypse 31 on July 09, 2020, 12:25:10 PM
So...
1. I'm not a big fan of IL2 Tanks. They feel clunky, the controls are weird, and the game world is weird - not meant for tanks. Even DCS Combined Arms feels better. You can keep the fancy interiors. They don't mean anything if the tanks plays like shit. I also hate the IL2 scenario editor - it is far inferior to DCS or Steel Beasts. Multiplayer coop is also weird, and feels like an afterthought.
2. DCS has a playable Ferdinand. For someone who develops a flight simulator, he is out of touch with his competitors.
3. He clearly states that First Person Infantry are NOT coming to IL2. Check timestamp:1:11:10 or click the link:
https://youtu.be/jtzPxOi-q6A?t=4273
4. Developing a WW2 game (that includes ground combat) without infantry? Insane.
5. Flight Simulator developers are hilarious when they try to model ground combat....It's just bad, and they are clueless. These guys could model EVERY rivet and widget correctly on whatever obscure 1940s plane (that may or may not have seen combat) but when it comes to modeling a tank they are absolutely lost and confused. I'm more looking at DCS and the awful Combined Arms module but my experience with IL2 Tanks is somewhat similar.
I would disagree with everything you said, but to each his own I guess.
I thought the IL2 tanks felt far more authentic than DCS combined arms. I was able to bind all the IL2 tank controls to my HOTAS and it worked great. Now with the addition of infantry, even better.
I do agree with you about the IL2 editor though, it is not user friendly at all.
I also disagree...Call me crazy, but I think tanks from the era would be quite "clunky". Not sure what your experience or expectation of how a T-34 should feel is really. In addition, I don't think anyone was expecting FPS style infantry combat in this title. All people were asking for was to have infantry on the battlefield representing targets and threats and adding to the environment, combined armed aspects of the simulation. I think having FPS playable infantry would be a ridiculous idea. I'm thrilled to hear the they are adding infantry in the manner in which they seem to be aiming for.
Finally, the experience of Tank Crew in VR is revolutionary. It just feels awesome in every way.
The one place I do agree with you is on the controls. They need work, and I'm happy to hear in the interview that they are aware of this and are working on it.
Quote from: Apocalypse 31 on July 09, 2020, 12:25:10 PM
So...
1. I'm not a big fan of IL2 Tanks. They feel clunky, the controls are weird, and the game world is weird - not meant for tanks. Even DCS Combined Arms feels better. You can keep the fancy interiors. They don't mean anything if the tanks plays like shit. I also hate the IL2 scenario editor - it is far inferior to DCS or Steel Beasts. Multiplayer coop is also weird, and feels like an afterthought.
I completely agree. I think tank interiors are generally useless, save Steel Beast's multifunction commander stations which are excellent. Give me a good gunsight and some hotkeys as a gunner and I'd never even think about the perfectly, expensively modeled buttons I'm never going to use anyways.
This is great news. It was the one thing the game really lacked that irked me.
I echo the sentiment of liking how the game feels. I guess mileage varies. I don't find it any more clunky than say games like Steel Beasts or Steel Fury.
The control scheme is a headache though. I streamlined it by using my Pedals, Throttle and mouse, but it takes a lot of work to get right.
Anyway, yeah, this is a must buy now for any Armor enthusiast.
I haven't played a tank sim since Panzer Elite v1.0. Sounds like it might be time to change that.
I rationalised this at $10 a tank (10 tanks @ $100aud) where DCS would be $50 or so an aircraft.
Feels really good actually. The tanks have amazing detail judging by my first "jump in and pot around" go.
Forgive me guys, but I would have liked to be mouse clicking the startup for the tanks.... clickable cockpit is something I find very immersive and a massive aid to learning the more complex DCS aircraft. It's not needed for Tank Crew. But I just like to visually know where all the buttons are through muscle memory like you would in a real cockpit or tank interior.
I just love seeing all the cogs and wheels spin around in the tank. It's one of the things I am curious about. How these old tanks work.
Apart from that I am a very happy camper at the moment. It's the sort of game you can just load, jump into an instant action mission and start blasting at stuff in minutes. Add to that that the campaigns seem like they will be fun.
The fact that infantry are coming (as AI squads) should add a lot of immersion. I imagine they did not want to go their partly because it would be a lot of work from an animation and memory management perspective but also because it would not have aided the aircraft side of the business for all the time and effort put in.
I think this game will be the sweet spot for tank games for me. War Thunder felt too gamey and because the forces were so mixed never felt like it was immersive. It just felt like a cheap experience with a lot of grinding and maps that people just knew like the back of their hands and constantly did crazy things in their tanks with.
By the way. It looks like AA guns are being developed separately; I cannot remember whether tank crew owners were supposed to get these as part of the original offering?
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"Due to development and gameplay considerations we have decided to create a separate AAA vehicles add-on featuring the GAZ-MM + 72K and Sd. Kfz. 10 + Flak38. We will prepare them as a separate product to be released later and work to make them a more interesting addition to IL-2 Sturmovik Great Battles then initially planned."
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Really enjoying this game. Relaxing and fun. Easy to learn and play. Have not tried veteran mode yet. This is on normal difficulty.
There are some pretty cool little bits of realism like it telling you on normal that your turret is slower now because your on a slope. Playing with the sights is a lot of fun. Windage is essential for good shots.
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Nice.
We're inching forward to a combined arms games nirvana if DCS ever manages to get their stuff together in that department.
This is why Tank Crew needs infantry...
That's a great video Jarhead. Foxholes with men popping their heads up and everything.
Well here is hoping that Tank Crew gets the attention it deserves for the infantry dimension of this stuff.
I am a bit sceptical but I have wanted a reason to pull the trigger on this one for some time in any case.
Playing it, it's a little more simplistic than I had hoped, but in line with il2 BOS for being an intermediate sim of whatever their vehicles they do so that they can also fill the battlefield as well I assume. I am still assessing things though.
Anybody got any good sources for how the shells show up like rocket motors from behind? I'd love some info on what countries put tracer on all their AP? I assume all of them did in ww2? Was it done for HE as well?
Quote from: Destraex on July 11, 2020, 10:40:33 AM
Playing it, it's a little more simplistic than I had hoped, but in line with il2 BOS for being an intermediate sim of whatever their vehicles they do so that they can also fill the battlefield as well I assume. I am still assessing things though.
Anybody got any good sources for how the shells show up like rocket motors from behind? I'd love some info on what countries put tracer on all their AP? I assume all of them did in ww2? Was it done for HE as well?
Have you tried it in VR Destraex? I have heard its clunky in VR and i haven't tried it with the headset yet.
Hey Smithcorp. I don't own VR because my PC is too old to cope with it I think. I have trackIR though.
I used mouse and keyboard and since you are looking around through the gunners sight. It's not a problem thus far.
What's your take on Tank Crew in general?
Quote from: smithcorp on July 12, 2020, 03:47:02 AM
Quote from: Destraex on July 11, 2020, 10:40:33 AM
Playing it, it's a little more simplistic than I had hoped, but in line with il2 BOS for being an intermediate sim of whatever their vehicles they do so that they can also fill the battlefield as well I assume. I am still assessing things though.
Anybody got any good sources for how the shells show up like rocket motors from behind? I'd love some info on what countries put tracer on all their AP? I assume all of them did in ww2? Was it done for HE as well?
Have you tried it in VR Destraex? I have heard its clunky in VR and i haven't tried it with the headset yet.
I only play it in VR. Ive posted impressions here and in the IL2 BoX thread...tldr; it's revolutionary. I love it.
For the record: I have driven (and fired) a Sherman tank (in real life). They ARE clunky.
But totally cool. :)
Jarhead what do you think of Tank Crew compared to Post Scriptum tanks? My buddies reaction to Tank Crew was that it was fun but that Post Scriptum in tank interaction seems better. I personally think he was confusing my test mission as being all he would get from the simulation. He was especially not impressed by the damage modelling on the outside of enemy tanks.
I managed to get a "basic proof of concept coop mission" made for a buddy and myself.
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Quote from: solops on July 12, 2020, 02:35:22 PM
For the record: I have driven (and fired) a Sherman tank (in real life). They ARE clunky.
But totally cool. :)
Ummmm...you can't just throw that out and leave it there like that, man! :knuppel2:
Quote from: Toonces on July 13, 2020, 03:16:51 PM
Quote from: solops on July 12, 2020, 02:35:22 PM
For the record: I have driven (and fired) a Sherman tank (in real life). They ARE clunky.
But totally cool. :)
Ummmm...you can't just throw that out and leave it there like that, man! :knuppel2:
Only in Texas...
https://www.drivetanks.com/ (https://www.drivetanks.com/)
Yup, not far from me. I was out hunting hogs one night and I kept hearing this occasional distant thumping. Mystified me. I asked several of my neighbors about it over the next few weeks, inquiring if they were doing any dirt work, as it sounded sort of like a bulldozer or some other piece of heavy equipment had revved its engine and then later dropped its bucket or blade...Thump! Finally, one of them looked at me and said " I bet you heard those tanks down by Uvalde." Sure enough, that was it. My wife came across a discount deal and gave me a package to drive and shoot a Sherman, plus some 50 cal action for Christmas! My son got to shoot a flamethrower. I asked the guys there about the night in question and they said yes, that was their doing. They had a special party that night for some people. Our place is about 25 miles away. The wind must have been just right.
Now THAT'S a good Wife. :notworthy:
Quote from: solops on July 13, 2020, 06:53:09 PM
Yup, not far from me. I was out hunting hogs one night and I kept hearing this occasional distant thumping. Mystified me. I asked several of my neighbors about it over the next few weeks, inquiring if they were doing any dirt work, as it sounded sort of like a bulldozer or some other piece of heavy equipment had revved its engine and then later dropped its bucket or blade...Thump! Finally, one of them looked at me and said " I bet you heard those tanks down by Uvalde." Sure enough, that was it. My wife came across a discount deal and gave me a package to drive and shoot a Sherman, plus some 50 cal action for Christmas! My son got to shoot a flamethrower. I asked the guys there about the night in question and they said yes, that was their doing. They had a special party that night for some people. Our place is about 25 miles away. The wind must have been just right.
Lucky Devil. Almost makes me wish I was USA (American means the whole north and south)..... almost.
Quote from: solops on July 13, 2020, 06:53:09 PM
Yup, not far from me. I was out hunting hogs one night and I kept hearing this occasional distant thumping. Mystified me. I asked several of my neighbors about it over the next few weeks, inquiring if they were doing any dirt work, as it sounded sort of like a bulldozer or some other piece of heavy equipment had revved its engine and then later dropped its bucket or blade...Thump! Finally, one of them looked at me and said " I bet you heard those tanks down by Uvalde." Sure enough, that was it. My wife came across a discount deal and gave me a package to drive and shoot a Sherman, plus some 50 cal action for Christmas! My son got to shoot a flamethrower. I asked the guys there about the night in question and they said yes, that was their doing. They had a special party that night for some people. Our place is about 25 miles away. The wind must have been just right.
I have a similar story about flying in a B-17 for my birthday.
Was living in El Paso, TX, near the airport.
Walking my dog early one morning and I hear the most monstrous rumbling of a plane engine that I've ever heard - mind you, I've been around F-18s, F-16, F-15, M1A1/A2, M2 Brad, and all kinds of military hardware. I also lived near the airport, so hearing plane engines was normal - but not THIS one. This was an earth shaking guttural engine sound, one that I've never heard before. I searched the skies and finally saw it: a massive B-17.
I got home and immediately did a Google search for B-17 and El Paso, and found a traveling B-17 crew that was offering rides. They also had a P-51, but it was about $1200 for a 30 minute flight.
The B-17 flight was expensive, and very short, but an awesome experience. Once in a lifetime.
It also made me appreciate the bomber crews-
The cabin was very small, mostly made of wood and sheet metal. The ride was bumpy and crammed. I would not want to fight in that thing.
Some years ago we had a fly-in at a local airport that featured a B-17, B-24, Me-109, and Mustang. I got the same feeling inside the B-17, 'How the hell could anybody operate in this cramped plane much less a whole crew'? Then I went in the B-24 and had all the room I needed and more, she was huge inside. Flying Boxcar indeed! :bd:
Truly once in a lifetime experiences. That's really cool guys!
Not at the same level, but I had a similar experience to explore a Lancaster. Sitting in the pilot's seat and waggling the stick and seeing the ailerons move as I did so gave me goosebumps. Which sounds a bit silly, I suppose, but it was a thing.
A Lancaster would be amazing. Not as sexy as the B17, but man those beasts have loads of character. I love the boxcar as well. It's probably the best looking of all three. That great scene in Angelina Jolie's movie "unbroken" is the only reason I watched it. Amazing stuff.
I hope any "Americans" here know I was just playing around with the USA is not all of America thing. We Aussies love to poke our mates to get a rise. It's a sign of affection.
Here is a Tiger 1. We found in our travels that we can use Binoculars, pistols and flare guns from the commander hatch. Even different coloured flares.
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Question. If you have a Tiger, why would you even need a pistol? Plinking beer cans maybe? :P
Quote from: Sir Slash on July 15, 2020, 10:03:50 AM
Question. If you have a Tiger, why would you even need a pistol? Plinking beer cans maybe? :P
Well, the boring answer is that it's a legacy from the flying parts of the game (as are the coloured flares). The pistols were introduced in RoF as fluff you could buy and seem to have crept through into the newer iterations of the game.
Quote from: Sir Slash on July 15, 2020, 10:03:50 AM
Question. If you have a Tiger, why would you even need a pistol? Plinking beer cans maybe? :P
This pistol is in case you want to pretend to be Tom Hanks in Private Ryan.
Here are some pics of a multiplayer server I joined last night. I drove around on my own. Only two other players on at 1am. Good Aussie ping though. No wonder nobody was around on a work night. I know their was an event last weekend that drew a fair few tankers.
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IL2: Screenshot Simulator
It is certainly a photogenic game. It's great to have a modern game engine with tanks.
Destructible environment? I saw the played hiding behind a house. Can the house then be shot through by the enemy or are the buildings, etc. indestructible?
Terrain is certainly destructible. I just did a quick test and I can run over trees, set buildings on fire and run into buildings (which almost got me killed and damage the suspension on the tank.
I will see if I can do a test for Tank to tank pens through a building.
Cool! :bd:
Ya'll are talking about the tank driving toy that comes as part of Il-2 Sturmovik Stalingrad, right? Or is this something else?
Quote from: solops on July 17, 2020, 07:02:41 PM
Ya'll are talking about the tank driving toy that comes as part of Il-2 Sturmovik Stalingrad, right? Or is this something else?
I still come by every now and then just to see if I missed some odd piece news. Then I see a post like this and remember why I stopped. This site becomes less constructive as time goes on. Its like its stuck in a bizarre time machine in 1999.
Sorry you feel that way. Bye.
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Quote from: RyanE on July 17, 2020, 08:21:23 PM
Quote from: solops on July 17, 2020, 07:02:41 PM
Ya'll are talking about the tank driving toy that comes as part of Il-2 Sturmovik Stalingrad, right? Or is this something else?
I still come by every now and then just to see if I missed some odd piece news. Then I see a post like this and remember why I stopped. This site becomes less constructive as time goes on. Its like its stuck in a bizarre time machine in 1999.
Hey! I like the Il-2 tank sim. Making figure eights in the snow at high speed is fun! And don't even get me started on making snow angels in a T-34.
Quote from: solops on July 17, 2020, 07:02:41 PM
Ya'll are talking about the tank driving toy that comes as part of Il-2 Sturmovik Stalingrad, right? Or is this something else?
You an il2 pilot solops?
I thought il2 BOS was a toy plane simulator compared to DCS. :P
That tank crew "toy" simulates tank shell fume extractors fairly well. It's the best ww2 tank simulator money can buy imho.
Weekend warrior pilot only. I crash on my own as often as I get shot down. I play a lot of pc war games, but I am a board game warrior at heart. I still play SPI's War in the West in my study. Hoping to get my son into Lebensraum on the card table before he goes back to school. I like the whole flying thing, though. I played a lot of Knights of the Sky. But, I am nothing more than a dilettante pilot.
Yeah. My son is into board games. But with Covid the table is setup with double work monitors etc, so no chance to get a game going yet.