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Title: Oddest session of Twilight Struggle you'll ever see
Post by: bayonetbrant on July 05, 2013, 05:39:33 AM
http://meshtime.com/2013/07/04/twilight-struggle-the-session/

you gotta watch it...
:o
Title: Re: Oddest session of Twilight Struggle you'll ever see
Post by: Barthheart on July 05, 2013, 06:56:17 AM
Yeah... Kev's a bit of a nut at times.....  ;D
Title: Re: Oddest session of Twilight Struggle you'll ever see
Post by: Barthheart on July 05, 2013, 07:27:40 AM
Bwhahahahaha... he's making heads explode over at BGG too.... ;D

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/1001685/the-ultimate-wargame-played

Title: Re: Oddest session of Twilight Struggle you'll ever see
Post by: Arctic Blast on July 05, 2013, 08:44:36 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on July 05, 2013, 07:27:40 AM
Bwhahahahaha... he's making heads explode over at BGG too.... ;D

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/1001685/the-ultimate-wargame-played

It's nice when the fun murderers make themselves obvious like that.  :D
Title: Re: Oddest session of Twilight Struggle you'll ever see
Post by: TheCommandTent on July 06, 2013, 07:19:33 AM
 :o   I must not get it...
Title: Re: Oddest session of Twilight Struggle you'll ever see
Post by: Staggerwing on July 06, 2013, 08:11:43 AM
Must be similar to the whole Grogs v Eurogamers thing.






... and Stratego IS a wargame.
Title: Re: Oddest session of Twilight Struggle you'll ever see
Post by: mirth on July 06, 2013, 02:33:08 PM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on July 05, 2013, 08:44:36 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on July 05, 2013, 07:27:40 AM
Bwhahahahaha... he's making heads explode over at BGG too.... ;D

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/1001685/the-ultimate-wargame-played

It's nice when the fun murderers make themselves obvious like that.  :D

That BGG thread has it all - wargame vs. not-a-wargame, book burning Nazis! It's comedy gold! :P
Title: Re: Oddest session of Twilight Struggle you'll ever see
Post by: Arctic Blast on July 06, 2013, 06:15:30 PM
Quote from: TheCommandTent on July 06, 2013, 07:19:33 AM
:o   I must not get it...

Welcome to a BGG wargame vs. not a wargame 'debate'. With a bit of 'BOARDGAMESAREPRECIOUSSSSYOUFIRERYBASTARD' hilarity from the people without anything resembling a life mixed in for extra fun.
Title: Re: Oddest session of Twilight Struggle you'll ever see
Post by: TheCommandTent on July 06, 2013, 07:11:29 PM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on July 06, 2013, 06:15:30 PM
Quote from: TheCommandTent on July 06, 2013, 07:19:33 AM
:o   I must not get it...

Welcome to a BGG wargame vs. not a wargame 'debate'. With a bit of 'BOARDGAMESAREPRECIOUSSSSYOUFIRERYBASTARD' hilarity from the people without anything resembling a life mixed in for extra fun.

That just makes me that much happier that we have a place like GrogHeads to come to.
Title: Re: Oddest session of Twilight Struggle you'll ever see
Post by: son_of_montfort on July 07, 2013, 06:06:19 PM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on July 06, 2013, 06:15:30 PM
Quote from: TheCommandTent on July 06, 2013, 07:19:33 AM
:o   I must not get it...

Welcome to a BGG wargame vs. not a wargame 'debate'. With a bit of 'BOARDGAMESAREPRECIOUSSSSYOUFIRERYBASTARD' hilarity from the people without anything resembling a life mixed in for extra fun.

I'll admit, I cringed when I saw what he did. But that is the exact edition I have (my thought is he upgraded the cards and to a mounted board, so this was an extra copy).

But yeah, BGG is like the place where nerditude and pretension meet.

And Twilight Struggle is a wargame. Or should we stop calling it the Cold War?
Title: Re: Oddest session of Twilight Struggle you'll ever see
Post by: Barthheart on July 07, 2013, 07:30:54 PM
Quote from: son_of_montfort on July 07, 2013, 06:06:19 PM
....
And Twilight Struggle is a wargame. Or should we stop calling it the Cold War?

NOT a wargame.   ;)

TS is a strategic game of political maneuvering. There are no combat units in the game.

Title: Re: Oddest session of Twilight Struggle you'll ever see
Post by: bayonetbrant on July 07, 2013, 08:52:53 PM
Can you win the game without engaging in open combat?  If so = not a wargame, in my book.  This is where people who want to use "conflict simulation" as a synonym for "wargame" run into problems.

Not all conflicts are wars.

Not all games are sims and not all sims are games.

It is possible to have a conflict simulation that involves neither war nor game.
Title: Re: Oddest session of Twilight Struggle you'll ever see
Post by: son_of_montfort on July 08, 2013, 11:36:55 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on July 07, 2013, 07:30:54 PM
Quote from: son_of_montfort on July 07, 2013, 06:06:19 PM
....
And Twilight Struggle is a wargame. Or should we stop calling it the Cold War?

NOT a wargame.   ;)

TS is a strategic game of political maneuvering. There are no combat units in the game.

Politics ARE war! TS is a war of ideology and influence, not a war of armies and soldiers (although there are cards in TS that simulate wars, Vietnam and Soviet-Afghan notably).

IMHO, there are many types of wars - culture wars, ideological wars, patronage/political wars. Which makes TS a wargame.

Not that is matters what we designate it.
Title: Re: Oddest session of Twilight Struggle you'll ever see
Post by: Barthheart on July 09, 2013, 04:55:55 AM
Quote from: son_of_montfort on July 08, 2013, 11:36:55 PM
Not that is matters what we designate it.

Agreed.  8)
Title: Re: Oddest session of Twilight Struggle you'll ever see
Post by: mirth on July 09, 2013, 06:17:07 AM
Wargame, not a wargame. Either way it needed to burn!
Title: Re: Oddest session of Twilight Struggle you'll ever see
Post by: son_of_montfort on July 09, 2013, 10:20:42 AM
Quote from: mirth on July 09, 2013, 06:17:07 AM
Wargame, not a wargame. Either way it needed to burn!

Not a fan, I guess?  ;D
Title: Re: Oddest session of Twilight Struggle you'll ever see
Post by: Staggerwing on July 09, 2013, 08:07:30 PM
I wonder if it floats or sinks...
Title: Re: Oddest session of Twilight Struggle you'll ever see
Post by: bayonetbrant on July 09, 2013, 10:08:12 PM
Quote from: son_of_montfort on July 08, 2013, 11:36:55 PMIMHO, there are many types of wars - culture wars, ideological wars, patronage/political wars. Which makes TS a wargame.

You forgot about the 50-yeard indoor war! 
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn2-b.examiner.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fstyles%2Fimage_full_width_scaled%2Fhash%2Fe9%2F39%2FAFLlogo_4.jpg%3Fitok%3DfvnJCvc6&hash=60266cea7c79127a8417e4792a0a8118466dbb43)


I guess that makes

(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcf.geekdo-images.com%2Fimages%2Fpic579215_md.jpg&hash=d83ba94d54fc3308a8c05286ab7ace2a2ccf87ee) (http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/3226/bowl-bound)

a wargamer, too, huh?  I mean, it was even published by Avalon Hill!
Title: Re: Oddest session of Twilight Struggle you'll ever see
Post by: LongBlade on July 10, 2013, 02:00:55 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on July 09, 2013, 10:08:12 PM

I guess that makes

(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcf.geekdo-images.com%2Fimages%2Fpic579215_md.jpg&hash=d83ba94d54fc3308a8c05286ab7ace2a2ccf87ee) (http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/3226/bowl-bound)

a wargamer, too, huh?  I mean, it was even published by Avalon Hill!

I have Bowl Bound. It is fun.
Title: Re: Oddest session of Twilight Struggle you'll ever see
Post by: GJK on July 10, 2013, 03:47:45 PM
This is war with a football!!!

Title: Re: Oddest session of Twilight Struggle you'll ever see
Post by: GroggyGrognard on July 10, 2013, 03:54:30 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on July 05, 2013, 05:39:33 AM
http://meshtime.com/2013/07/04/twilight-struggle-the-session/

you gotta watch it...
:o

*sigh* What a waste of a copy.
Title: Re: Oddest session of Twilight Struggle you'll ever see
Post by: ABD on July 10, 2013, 08:40:57 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on July 05, 2013, 05:39:33 AM
http://meshtime.com/2013/07/04/twilight-struggle-the-session/

you gotta watch it...
:o
um, no thanks if it is anything like his other dull editions.
QuoteYeah... Kev's a bit of a nut at times.....
More like a complete narcissist and drama queen.