"Bloody" Day at ESPN today

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OJsDad

Quote from: Marty Ward on May 03, 2017, 04:02:30 PM
Quote from: OJsDad on May 03, 2017, 02:59:39 PM
Quote from: Marty Ward on May 03, 2017, 02:42:18 PM
Quote from: OJsDad on May 03, 2017, 02:28:28 PM
I think you can only get WatchESPN if you have an active TV subscription to ESPN.

You can get it on Sling TV. Not sure about Hulu and others.

Sling is a paid TV subscription.  The difference is that it's streamed and not delivered with satellite or cable.

And that is where a lot of cord cutters are going to. People who cut cords don't necessarily stop watching TV, they just watch it a different way. ESPN doesn't let cord cutters watch everything on Watch ESPN but they do let them watch MNF.

If your paying for a service like Sling, your not cutting the cord, your still paying for the service just using a different method to have it delivered.  So if you have a Sling subscription with ESPN, then your still paying for ESPN and they're still getting paid for that subscription.  If no different if I get a physical copy of the Wall Street Journal or an electronic one, they're still getting paid, it's just he method if delivery is different. 
'Here at NASA we all pee the same color.'  Al Harrison from the movie Hidden Figures.

Marty Ward

Quote from: OJsDad on May 03, 2017, 04:12:45 PM

If your paying for a service like Sling, your not cutting the cord, your still paying for the service just using a different method to have it delivered.  So if you have a Sling subscription with ESPN, then your still paying for ESPN and they're still getting paid for that subscription.  If no different if I get a physical copy of the Wall Street Journal or an electronic one, they're still getting paid, it's just he method if delivery is different.

That's true hey aren't free but ESPN isn't losing those subscribers and the fees aren't even close to what they get from cable and satellite. They are losing subscribers and fee from cable and satellite. Streaming services are who are picking up the cord cutters.
If it looks like chicken, tastes like chicken, and feels like chicken but Chuck Norris says its beef, then it's beef.

If women had apostrophes instead of periods they would be even more possessive!

mirth

The problem is all the cord cutters who don't miss ESPN.
"45 minutes of pooping Tribbles being juggled by a drunken Horta would be better than Season 1 of TNG." - SirAndrewD

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mirth

A billion per year in lost sub revenue is tough to make up.
"45 minutes of pooping Tribbles being juggled by a drunken Horta would be better than Season 1 of TNG." - SirAndrewD

"you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're poking the fire" - Bawb

"Can't 'un' until you 'pre', son." - Gus

Marty Ward

Quote from: mirth on May 03, 2017, 06:50:09 PM
The problem is all the cord cutters who don't miss ESPN.


or any of the other channels. Cord cutters are really changing the way TV is delivered.
If it looks like chicken, tastes like chicken, and feels like chicken but Chuck Norris says its beef, then it's beef.

If women had apostrophes instead of periods they would be even more possessive!

mirth

Quote from: Marty Ward on May 03, 2017, 07:02:06 PM
Quote from: mirth on May 03, 2017, 06:50:09 PM
The problem is all the cord cutters who don't miss ESPN.


or any of the other channels. Cord cutters are really changing the way TV is delivered.

True, but it hits ESPN a bit differently than the quilting channel.
"45 minutes of pooping Tribbles being juggled by a drunken Horta would be better than Season 1 of TNG." - SirAndrewD

"you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're poking the fire" - Bawb

"Can't 'un' until you 'pre', son." - Gus

Marty Ward

Quote from: mirth on May 03, 2017, 07:23:55 PM


True, but it hits ESPN a bit differently than the quilting channel.

Disney ain't hurting for cash and ESPN will take in over $7 billion in subscriber fee this year. They aren't going anywhere. The quilting channel may very well fold because of losing subscribers.
If it looks like chicken, tastes like chicken, and feels like chicken but Chuck Norris says its beef, then it's beef.

If women had apostrophes instead of periods they would be even more possessive!

MetalDog

Quote from: mirth on May 03, 2017, 06:50:09 PM
The problem is all the cord cutters who don't miss ESPN.

That would be me.  I don't miss it one bit.
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mirth

Quote from: Marty Ward on May 03, 2017, 08:12:43 PM
Quote from: mirth on May 03, 2017, 07:23:55 PM


True, but it hits ESPN a bit differently than the quilting channel.

Disney ain't hurting for cash and ESPN will take in over $7 billion in subscriber fee this year. They aren't going anywhere. The quilting channel may very well fold because of losing subscribers.

All good then. Not sure why ESPN had been loping heads.
"45 minutes of pooping Tribbles being juggled by a drunken Horta would be better than Season 1 of TNG." - SirAndrewD

"you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're poking the fire" - Bawb

"Can't 'un' until you 'pre', son." - Gus

mirth

Marty, you seem to think a company can lose 1 billion dollars in annual revenue and not suffer any consequences.
"45 minutes of pooping Tribbles being juggled by a drunken Horta would be better than Season 1 of TNG." - SirAndrewD

"you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're poking the fire" - Bawb

"Can't 'un' until you 'pre', son." - Gus

Marty Ward

Quote from: mirth on May 03, 2017, 08:34:50 PM


All good then. Not sure why ESPN had been loping heads.

Who did they let go that they needed to keep? They need new programming, more original programming and shows along the lines of 30 for 30 or outside the lines not another sports center type program.

I have 4 espn channels on my cable. That's 96 hours of programming per day they need to fill. From 8:00 to 1:00 there is nothing but sports center, mike & mike, dan le batard and 1st take on them. That is 20 hours of basically the same stuff. Its pretty much the same from 3:00 - 7:00 on 3 of the channels (the other begins showing college football reruns). That's another 12 hours of basically the same stuff as in the morning. Then starting at 11:00 pm to 8:00 it's basically the same stuff on 3 of the channels. That's another 27 hours. That's 59 hours of basically the same stuff repeated over and over. They need some new blood. They may have over paid but at least the live events are a reason to actually watch the channel.

If it looks like chicken, tastes like chicken, and feels like chicken but Chuck Norris says its beef, then it's beef.

If women had apostrophes instead of periods they would be even more possessive!

Marty Ward

Quote from: mirth on May 03, 2017, 08:40:57 PM
Marty, you seem to think a company can lose 1 billion dollars in annual revenue and not suffer any consequences.

They didn't lose anything, they made less than they did last year. They still had over $10 billion in revenue even after losing subscribers.
If it looks like chicken, tastes like chicken, and feels like chicken but Chuck Norris says its beef, then it's beef.

If women had apostrophes instead of periods they would be even more possessive!

bayonetbrant

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airboy

Quote from: bayonetbrant on May 11, 2017, 06:37:42 PM
(edit: just realized some of these are reposted)

https://medium.com/@kerith_burke/the-espn-cuts-and-the-despair-of-a-changing-landscape-cad1a1fde8db

https://theringer.com/espn-layoffs-d7fad2feb8d5

https://thefederalist.com/2017/04/26/the-real-story-behind-espns-wednesday-massacre/

https://medium.com/from-the-sidelines/espns-problem-isn-t-politics-it-s-false-narrative-d4f1b9b2ce0

https://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/05/02/espn-layoffs-ed-werder-state-sports-journalism

http://www.jeffpearlman.com/the-espn-carnage/

https://www.thenation.com/article/why-the-espn-layoffs-are-so-disappointing/

I found the article from The Nation to be unintentionally funny.  They write about tangential sports stories ESPN did, the wonderful demographic progress in the newsroom - and then conclude that a liberal tilt was non-existent. 

Most of the stuff I've read (especially the Wall St. Journal) state that the problem was overpaying for broadcast rights, cable cutting in general, Sports Center not working so well in the internet age and as a contributing (but not the main factor) - leftist politics.  Two of the lefty sources claim that the righty sources are stating that politics is the main reason ESPN is having problems.  But I've not read anything that says that politics is anything more than one factor out of many.

But Brant, thanks for the links two of them gave me a good laugh.

bayonetbrant

The key to surviving this site is to not say something which ends up as someone's tag line - Steelgrave

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