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Title: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Jarhead0331 on August 27, 2014, 05:25:59 PM
So, there is good news and bad news.

The good news is this game has been released on steam for a not so cheap $59.99. 

The bad news is that it is available in traditional Chinese only. English is not supported.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Gusington on August 27, 2014, 05:27:31 PM
Wtf?
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Greybriar on August 27, 2014, 05:30:47 PM
What a stunt!  >:(
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: BanzaiCat on August 27, 2014, 05:34:02 PM
It's available from iTunes for $12.99. English version, too.

Though it's not like this...that iTunes version looks more like its Nintendo 1st gen cousin.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on August 27, 2014, 07:10:20 PM
Wtf?

What Gus said.  The good news is that being on Steam it'll be on sale for considerably less before too long, and I'm pretty sure there are fan-made translation patches for all of the Koeie games floating around the Internet somewhere.

I love the people in the forum saying that the answer is to learn Chinese and then buy the game  ;D
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Jarhead0331 on August 27, 2014, 07:41:47 PM

I love the people in the forum saying that the answer is to learn Chinese and then buy the game  ;D

Where is Markshot when you need him?
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: GDS_Starfury on August 27, 2014, 07:54:11 PM
 ::)








thats pretty funny actually.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Jarhead0331 on August 27, 2014, 08:48:54 PM
::)








thats pretty funny actually.

I know. That's why I posted it.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: endfire79 on August 27, 2014, 08:57:18 PM
I remember the Koei series on the PC and Nintendo (Nobunaga, Romance of 3 Kingdoms, Genghis Khan), and those were great. 

Not surprised, but I guess Koei sees bigger market potential over there.  That's too bad though.

Markshot might be pretty busy, try to pm him.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on August 28, 2014, 08:24:33 AM
You might have heard that Hello Kitty is not actually a cat (http://kotaku.com/dont-be-silly-hello-kitty-is-a-cat-1627820750).

But Oda Nobunaga is actually a cat.
http://koei.wikia.com/wiki/Samurai_Cats
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: bboyer66 on August 28, 2014, 01:24:42 PM
So, there is good news and bad news.

The good news is this game has been released on steam for a not so cheap $59.99. 

The bad news is that it is available in traditional Chinese only. English is not supported.

 That being said, I am sure you bought it ;)
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: W8taminute on August 28, 2014, 03:59:26 PM
If you were to import this game you'd be paying 100 or more for it.  60 bucks is a steal comparatively speaking.  But for Steam to release this chinese language only version is a slap in the face to all the Koei North American fans out there.  At least also sell the Japanese language version because there are definitely fan made translations into english out there. 

I have been playing this game (Japanese version) off and on on my PS4.  It's actually not a bad game once you learn the main screen commands and their sub menus.  Basically you build up your economy by increasing farm, market, and population.  You build up your road and field fortress network then you assemble soldiers and place them under your individual generals' control.  March them into a neighbor then switch to tactical view and duke it out in pausable real time with your enemy.  Rinse repeat.  Certainly not an intellectually deep game but entertaining non the less if and only if you're a big Koei fan.  The average strategy gamer out there might not be willing to put up with the repetition this game is mostly about. 
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: spelk on May 18, 2015, 10:19:51 AM
necro-revival...

"Nobunaga's Ambition: Sphere of Influence lands in English in September, and will be exclusive to Sony platforms (PlayStation 3 and 4) on console, and Steam."

http://www.digitallydownloaded.net/2015/05/nobunagas-ambition-is-finally-coming.html
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on May 18, 2015, 11:29:28 AM
Console only?

Shamefur Dispray!  :(
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Cyrano on May 18, 2015, 11:35:46 AM
Call me when they get around to Romance of the Three Kingdoms...

Yours Dishonorably,

The MOST Dishonorable,

The MOST deceitful,

Lu Bu
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Gusington on May 18, 2015, 12:21:41 PM
Truly shamefrur.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: BanzaiCat on May 18, 2015, 12:23:14 PM
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/738/moreshamefurdispray.png)
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on May 18, 2015, 01:00:23 PM
Reading is hard.

Quote
Hertfordshire, 18th May 2015- KOEI TECMO Europe is proud to announce inaugural release of famed strategy/ historical simulation IP Nobunaga’s Ambition: Sphere of Influence. The game will be available on the PlayStation®4 computer entertainment system across Europe on 4th September 2015. It will also be simultaneously available digitally on the PlayStation®3 computer entertainment system and on PC via Steam®.

Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Cyrano on May 18, 2015, 01:06:33 PM
No, as Barbie taught us, MATH is hard.

Reading is fundamental...
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on May 18, 2015, 01:26:37 PM
Perhaps, but apparently no one else bothered to actually read the linked article before getting so pissed off about something obviously incorrect.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Cyrano on May 18, 2015, 02:45:29 PM
Nihil obstat.

Just a line that caught me at lunch...as I say, I'm out until this heads a bit further West anyway...



Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: W8taminute on May 18, 2015, 05:13:12 PM
necro-revival...

"Nobunaga's Ambition: Sphere of Influence lands in English in September, and will be exclusive to Sony platforms (PlayStation 3 and 4) on console, and Steam."

http://www.digitallydownloaded.net/2015/05/nobunagas-ambition-is-finally-coming.html

Oh great.  This is the game I've played but the Japanese version.  If I'd have known they'd do it in English I would have waited.  I take that back, I still would have bought the Japanese language version anyway because I'm an import gamer and semi big J-fan.   ;D
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on May 19, 2015, 12:14:41 AM
Cool!
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: JasonPratt on May 19, 2015, 01:10:25 PM
I for one welcome the new Shogun.  :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on August 06, 2015, 07:02:48 PM
Release is close.  Here's the English site. 
http://www.nobunagasambition.eu/

Currently playing the Chinese version and I'm very impressed.  The change to (semi) real-time is great.  The tactical battles though simple are also interesting.  Definitely re-buying this.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on August 06, 2015, 08:24:00 PM
I'm very interested, but what do you mean by semi-real-time?
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on August 06, 2015, 08:41:27 PM
I'm very interested, but what do you mean by semi-real-time?

You give orders every month to develop your provinces and infrastructure (domestic affairs).  Then press play to resolve the month in real time.  You can still freely pause and redirect military units during the month's real time resolution (military affairs).  It flows faster than any turn-based Koei game.

I love how diplomacy works in this game.  You can send envoys to increase relationship points faster than normal pace.  Alliances and marriages, increase the relationship points accrual as well even without envoys.  You need to spend diplomatic points for diplomatic (set up marriages, alliances, vassalize) and military actions (i.e. ask for reinforcements).  Once spent, you need to accumulate the relationship points again.  This means you need to be careful when you spend these points. Similar to Paradox games but timing is much more crucial as most diplomatic actions will wipe out the points pool.  Basically an alliance does not mean he will send troops to your aid when you already asked for some other favour from them. 

Tactical battles are interesting but still simple.  You do not need to play it out if you want as it will resolve itself in real-time as mentioned above. 
Battles are fought in a confined space with no room for flanking (because flanking is done in the strategic map).  You give orders to move forward, hold, move back.  Action points accrue slowly.  You spend special action points to change formation to wedge (bonus for cavalry charge), open (bonus for missile fire), normal (bonus for movement).  You spend action points to order a cavalry sortie or a musket volley attack.    At the heart of the battle are the generals and their skills.  Some generals are good, some are bad, some are super powerful.  The different perks cost different levels of action points and have different effects (increase recharge rate of action points, increase attack, increase defense, confuse, prevent enemy from moving forward or back, etc.).  The key is to perform good combos of orders and actions.  So one must actually be mindful of the generals that they send to battle and who they are up against.   By the way, the graphics of tactical battles are not good.  It looks nice and modern, but looking closer, it looks like a previous-gen console (PS3) port.  Not Total War quality.  But it's no big deal since the real meat of the game is the strategic and operational aspect.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on August 06, 2015, 10:26:07 PM
Anyone else see that release date of 4/9/15 and think "Hey.  Isn't April over?"?
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on August 06, 2015, 11:05:03 PM
Anyone else see that release date of 4/9/15 and think "Hey.  Isn't April over?"?

Lol!
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: spelk on August 07, 2015, 01:21:00 AM
Preview
http://www.digitallydownloaded.net/2015/08/preview-nobunagas-ambition-sphere-of.html
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: JasonPratt on August 07, 2015, 07:55:19 AM
Hm. That reminds me again I want a current gen Dynasty Tactics game. (DT2 was only DT1 with a bit more fluff, both for Playstation 2.) It was developed from the previous turn-based engine of the Rot3K/NobAmb engine -- obviously they're not doing that anymore, which disappoints me, but I understand the need to keep battles proportionate to the other gameplay. DT battles could run around 20 turns, and were a lot deeper than might appear on the surface. (They also had an army management strategic layer for each portion of each campaign, mostly based around interrelationships between the officers.)

But I won't be unhappy with a localization of the new Noba.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on August 07, 2015, 04:24:04 PM
Hm. That reminds me again I want a current gen Dynasty Tactics game. (DT2 was only DT1 with a bit more fluff, both for Playstation 2.) It was developed from the previous turn-based engine of the Rot3K/NobAmb engine -- obviously they're not doing that anymore, which disappoints me, but I understand the need to keep battles proportionate to the other gameplay. DT battles could run around 20 turns, and were a lot deeper than might appear on the surface. (They also had an army management strategic layer for each portion of each campaign, mostly based around interrelationships between the officers.)

But I won't be unhappy with a localization of the new Noba.

I like that too.  Chains are very important there.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on August 08, 2015, 09:31:01 AM
So.. is this "September release" actually going to be in Engrish? 

If so, I'm looking forward to it.  I only vaguely recall playing an olde console version of it (along with the Chinese ones) long ago, in a different life, but enjoying it.

Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on August 08, 2015, 06:05:28 PM
So.. is this "September release" actually going to be in Engrish? 

If so, I'm looking forward to it.  I only vaguely recall playing an olde console version of it (along with the Chinese ones) long ago, in a different life, but enjoying it.

Yes. The non-English release came a long time ago.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: son_of_montfort on August 09, 2015, 11:59:29 AM
I did want to point out to anyone interested, the combat is switching from TBS to real-time (they still have a turn-based strategic map).

Check it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkl3IIruqro

It looks like you can pause and it seems less "twitchy" than Total War, but it is real time.

This preview: http://www.digitallydownloaded.net/2015/08/preview-nobunagas-ambition-sphere-of.html, seems to indicate that the "clock" continues running during battles and that you could fail to complete the battle before going to the next turn (on the strategic map). Then the battle could pick up again after you click the "next turn" button. I might have read that wrong, however.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on August 09, 2015, 07:00:09 PM
I did want to point out to anyone interested, the combat is switching from TBS to real-time (they still have a turn-based strategic map).

Check it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkl3IIruqro

It looks like you can pause and it seems less "twitchy" than Total War, but it is real time.

This preview: http://www.digitallydownloaded.net/2015/08/preview-nobunagas-ambition-sphere-of.html, seems to indicate that the "clock" continues running during battles and that you could fail to complete the battle before going to the next turn (on the strategic map). Then the battle could pick up again after you click the "next turn" button. I might have read that wrong, however.

Each "turn" is a month, maneuvering and battle happen in real time and can take more than a month just like in real life. So when it crosses the month, you go to domestic phase again until you press the next turn button.

Tactical battle is simple and optional. No clicking on the map.  Just clicking a few buttons below and your commanders.  If you zoom in to a battle, the strategic world clock still ticks.  That means other battles that happen simultaneously is out if your control. Also if other armies move to your battle area in stragegic map, the tactical battle resets and now involes the reinforcements.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on August 10, 2015, 11:47:53 AM
The real-time battles look extremely simplistic.  But I don't recall the battles ever being terribly heavy anyway. 
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Anguille on August 10, 2015, 01:02:55 PM
Call me when they get around to Romance of the Three Kingdoms...
I have it from gamersgate....

http://www.gamersgate.com/DD-ROTTKXI/romance-of-the-three-kingdoms-xi (http://www.gamersgate.com/DD-ROTTKXI/romance-of-the-three-kingdoms-xi)
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: son_of_montfort on August 10, 2015, 01:09:18 PM
Thanks for the extra info Jomni!
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: W8taminute on August 20, 2015, 04:42:52 PM
Thanks for the YouTube link s.o.m.  I'm getting this game and it's just around the corner too being released early Sept.   :)

Maybe once I get this English language version I can figure out how to play more efficiently then go back and finish my campaign in the Japanese language version of the game I own.   O0
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on August 20, 2015, 05:52:26 PM
The price is not bad.  Even cheaper than the Chinese release.  It's now wishlisted.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/392470

I have the Chinese version, and figured out the gameplay, I couldn't get into it because I can't read all of the names.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on August 20, 2015, 06:21:34 PM

Romance XI was $20 at release, so the price is a little disappointing.  Not that I won't be grabbing it if word of mouth is good.  Greenman will probably have it for even less.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on August 29, 2015, 06:11:50 AM
If anyone's interested in seeing some game play, here's some guy playing 2 hours of one of the early scenarios (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcB9G-xed5E).

It's a little tough to watch because he never turns the music down, but he does pretty much show off everything, including setting up a game, province development, the quest system, diplomacy, and combat, including siege of a castle.  I'm still looking forward to playing this, there's some stuff that looks really good like customization, historical cut scenes (which I think can be toggled off), and the quest mechanic (also optional, I think) to keep a player on track, but I see a few things that I'm not crazy about.

This seems to be a game of breadth, not depth.  There's a lot of different things you can do, but none of them seem very deep.

English voice acting is cheesy, but I think there's an option to change it to subtitled Japanese, which would help the immersion.

You know it's a Japanese game when you can put your military in the hands of a 12 year old girl (I'm not making this stuff up).

I just wish I could find it somewhere for less than $50.  I thought GMG might have it on sale,but no dice.

Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: W8taminute on August 29, 2015, 12:34:51 PM
I just realized something.  Nobunaga's Ambition Sphere of Influence is the incorrect title for this title in the series.  It should be Nobunaga's Ambition: Creation.  Sphere of Influence was an earlier version of the series.  I know why they're calling the english version of this game Sphere of Influence but as a fan of this series in both the Japanese and English versions I find it a little bit wrong.  Almost heresy like.  Only a true fan would get what I'm talking about and I feel alone even though I know there are true fans out there somewhere. 
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on August 29, 2015, 06:34:45 PM
I just realized something.  Nobunaga's Ambition Sphere of Influence is the incorrect title for this title in the series.  It should be Nobunaga's Ambition: Creation.  Sphere of Influence was an earlier version of the series.  I know why they're calling the english version of this game Sphere of Influence but as a fan of this series in both the Japanese and English versions I find it a little bit wrong.  Almost heresy like.  Only a true fan would get what I'm talking about and I feel alone even though I know there are true fans out there somewhere.

The Western versions are always off.  Like the numbering of the Dynasty Warriors series is not in sync.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on August 29, 2015, 06:36:19 PM
You know it's a Japanese game when you can put your military in the hands of a 12 year old girl (I'm not making this stuff up).

You can turn off Women Generals / Daimyo option.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on August 30, 2015, 04:23:13 AM
Quote from: jomni
You can turn off Women Generlas / Daimyo option.

Good to hear.  I'm really looking forward to this.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on August 30, 2015, 09:08:56 AM
Forget that other video.  This shows off all the gameplay (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwWLey0yvWc) and is a lot better. 

Now I'm excited.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on August 30, 2015, 09:51:06 AM
Forget that other video.  This shows off all the gameplay (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwWLey0yvWc) and is a lot better. 

Now I'm excited.

I'm also looking forward to it.  Been a long time.

Hopefully mouse control is working okay.  The guy in that vid is using a controller and it looks to be a pain in the ass to target areas, the cursor being so sluggish.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on August 30, 2015, 01:42:03 PM
Forget that other video.  This shows off all the gameplay (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwWLey0yvWc) and is a lot better. 

Now I'm excited.

I'm also looking forward to it.  Been a long time.

Hopefully mouse control is working okay.  The guy in that vid is using a controller and it looks to be a pain in the ass to target areas, the cursor being so sluggish.

I'm guessing he was showing the PS4 version.  The gameplay is great, I just hope the PC version isn't a buggy mess.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on August 30, 2015, 04:13:54 PM
"Hopefully mouse control is working okay.  The guy in that vid is using a controller and it looks to be a pain in the ass to target areas, the cursor being so sluggish."

It's perfect compared to a controller.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: spelk on September 01, 2015, 11:39:34 AM
Holy shit! It's Ł41 on Steam now. That's a bit pricey...

I suppose it's in keeping with the PS4 pricing though.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Jarhead0331 on September 01, 2015, 12:06:10 PM
Can't say I'm thrilled about seeing 10 DLCs going live simultaneously with launch.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on September 01, 2015, 01:03:21 PM
Can't say I'm thrilled about seeing 10 DLCs going live simultaneously with launch.

Don't forget, the game has been available in Japan for a while.  The DLC's are all scenarios, and looking at the main menu, there are plenty already included with the base game,  Besides, FWIW, the first three of those are included free as part of the launch special.

So far I haven't had time to do anything other than launch a game and poke around for one turn.  I decided to forego the tutorial and see how newbie-friendly the game really is. 

The good news is there are a lot of help screens that come up the first time you play.  Also, it's a lot more immersive if you change the voices to Japanese. The game looked good and seemed stable for the all of 10 minutes I played it so far.

The not so good - The launch menu is useless.  The "manual" does nothing, and while there is a button that takes you to setting graphics options, you have to set them again from the options menu within the game.  Worse, they don't "stick" and have to be reset every time.  Not the biggest deal in the world, but not a great first impression, either.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: JudgeDredd on September 01, 2015, 03:31:51 PM
Isn't this just Total War 2 : Shogun?
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on September 01, 2015, 03:53:39 PM
Isn't this just Total War 2 : Shogun?
 

No. The focus is on the strategy and political dynamics, and the battles are a lot more basic than the ones in TW.  It's closer to Crusader Kings than it is to Shogun, I think.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on September 01, 2015, 04:05:47 PM
Isn't this just Total War 2 : Shogun?
 

No. The focus is on the strategy and political dynamics, and the battles are a lot more basic than the ones in TW.  It's closer to Crusader Kings than it is to Shogun, I think.

Yeah.  More historical events and historical characters.  It revolves more around generals and their skills and making use of them properly.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on September 01, 2015, 04:09:13 PM
Can't say I'm thrilled about seeing 10 DLCs going live simultaneously with launch.

Some come free with the purchase (promo).  But those are not necessary purchases unless you are a fan. 
The sandbox campaign is all you need rather than these scenario DLC's if you ask me.


The resolution resetting has been around since the Asian versions a year back.  They still haven't gone around it. ;/
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on September 01, 2015, 06:17:46 PM
jomni, now that I finished the tutorial, any suggestion of a good first scenario/clan?  I think I have a pretty good handle on most of the game so far.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on September 01, 2015, 06:41:37 PM
Maybe the big clans (Nagao, Takeda, Hojo, Imagawa). TheRe. May be a lot of provinces and general  to manage but that that also means survival and easy expansion.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on September 01, 2015, 09:34:00 PM

I started a game as Oda in the Battle of Somethingorother scenario and immediately got in over my head by overspending.  It's important to remember that things like policies and diplomacy are very expensive every turn and can quickly drive you into the red.

I still don't have my head completely around officer management.  What to do about a disloyal retainer, for example.  I also know that there is a connection between the tenets your officers follow, that number next to the yellow starburst (progress or something like that) and the policies you can enact, but don't quite know what it is.

Time to RTFM.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on September 01, 2015, 09:50:22 PM
Each officer has an ideology and if your policies align with what they want, the it will be better. I haven't really paid attention on this when playing the Chinese version because I don't understand.

Diplomacy is really expensive.  Even if he is your ally, you have to plead and spend "diplomatic points" to have him send an army to help you out.  The alliance status and friendliness level, marriage, officers assigned to build relationships how fast these diplomatic points with each faction accrue.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on September 01, 2015, 10:30:51 PM
I think I get it now.  The tenets of your officers (progressive, neutral, or conservative0, combined with the improvements you build, set the innovation level (the number next to the starburst) for your clan.  Policies require a minimum innovation level in order to be enacted.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on September 01, 2015, 11:53:38 PM
I think I get it now.  The tenets of your officers (progressive, neutral, or conservative0, combined with the improvements you build, set the innovation level (the number next to the starburst) for your clan.  Policies require a minimum innovation level in order to be enacted.

Thanks for the explanation.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: spelk on September 02, 2015, 05:01:26 AM
Digitally Downloaded gives the PS4 version 5 Stars!

http://www.digitallydownloaded.net/2015/09/review-nobunagas-ambition-sphere-of.html
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on September 02, 2015, 08:28:48 AM
I think I get it now.  The tenets of your officers (progressive, neutral, or conservative0, combined with the improvements you build, set the innovation level (the number next to the starburst) for your clan.  Policies require a minimum innovation level in order to be enacted.

Actually the policies require a specific range of Innovation rating.  The "conservative" types are at the low end of the spectrum, and "progressives" at the high end.  Different strokes for different heart patients.  :)

Gonna take awhile to get a feel for all the little details, but much of the style will be familiar to those with past experiences with these Koei games.  Unfortunately, the pdf manual isn't much help.  Have to use the in-game Help topics for a general overview and just learn by doing (which can be fun as long as the mechanics are logical).

BTW.. which clan did you guys start with?
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on September 02, 2015, 08:43:52 AM
I think I get it now.  The tenets of your officers (progressive, neutral, or conservative0, combined with the improvements you build, set the innovation level (the number next to the starburst) for your clan.  Policies require a minimum innovation level in order to be enacted.

Actually the policies require a specific range of Innovation rating.  The "conservative" types are at the low end of the spectrum, and "progressives" at the high end.  Different strokes for different heart patients.  :)

Gonna take awhile to get a feel for all the little details, but much of the style will be familiar to those with past experiences with these Koei games.  Unfortunately, the pdf manual isn't much help.  Have to use the in-game Help topics for a general overview and just learn by doing (which can be fun as long as the mechanics are logical).

BTW.. which clan did you guys start with?

I started with the Oda in the Battle of Somethingorother campaign, but drove my economy into the ground by trying to do too much too quickly.  I can see that, like Paradox, this is going to be a marathon, not a sprint.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on September 02, 2015, 09:10:44 AM


I started with the Oda in the Battle of Somethingorother campaign, but drove my economy into the ground by trying to do too much too quickly.  I can see that, like Paradox, this is going to be a marathon, not a sprint.

I began with Mori in the earliest campaign start date, at Regular difficulty. 

Figured I'd punish myself a bit extra and see how easy it is to escape vassalage while learning.  May be too masochistic and have to start over before long, but at least I'll start off with a smaller more manageable clan while having a larger one to help protect it. 

Also curious about how the historical quests go in that situation.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: mikeck on September 02, 2015, 12:02:19 PM
So, is this game's strategic building and diplomacy deeper and more involved than EU IV?
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on September 02, 2015, 12:43:41 PM
So, is this game's strategic building and diplomacy deeper and more involved than EU IV?

I would say the building is a little deeper.  The diplomacy is very "gamey", and the only thing  I dislike.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: mikeck on September 02, 2015, 12:46:34 PM
Hmmm. What do you mean by gamey? I'm trying to find a game with some true diplomacy and intrigue. eU series and ck is about as close as I can get
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on September 02, 2015, 01:02:09 PM
Hmmm. What do you mean by gamey? I'm trying to find a game with some true diplomacy and intrigue. eU series and ck is about as close as I can get

This one just does it by a hard point value.  You can gain up to 100 diplo points with another faction, and then you spend a set amount for a specific action.

For example, a 1-year alliance costs something like 50 or 60 points.  Your Diplomacy time & money investments are pretty much a different kind of currency. 

Although EU4 & CK2 both have systems based on points, it's more of a soft factor that slowly waxes & wanes, with many variables affecting it.  Plus there are other situational considerations having an effect on the ultimate diplo responses you will receive from the AI.  Nobunaga's has some extra factor(s) but I don't get the impression that it's much past your proximity and perceived strength.

The real strength of NA:SoI looks to be what it's always been with these Koei series; commanding & managing your Lieutenants and land improvements.  The combat side is rather thin and unengaging (for me) but the managerial aspect is fun.  I haven't played a Nobunaga game since the mid-90s, on a console, so this has been a nice surprise.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on September 02, 2015, 02:06:33 PM
The other problem with the diplomatic system is that it's very expensive. In order to generate diplomatic currency (called "favor", I think) you have to park one of your generals in the capitol of the faction your are negotiating with and wait until your favor level rises to the desired amount.

Thing of it is, it costs 600 gp a month to have that guy sit there, and within the game world that's a lot of sushi. In my first two "let's poke around and figure this thing out" games, I bankrupted myself almost immediately because I tried to do too much diplomatically.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on September 02, 2015, 04:10:29 PM
The other problem with the diplomatic system is that it's very expensive. In order to generate diplomatic currency (called "favor", I think) you have to park one of your generals in the capitol of the faction your are negotiating with and wait until your favor level rises to the desired amount.

Thing of it is, it costs 600 gp a month to have that guy sit there, and within the game world that's a lot of sushi. In my first two "let's poke around and figure this thing out" games, I bankrupted myself almost immediately because I tried to do too much diplomatically.

It makes diplomatic decisions and their timing more crucial (and difficult). But that's what deep strategy games are all about.  Thinking forward.
If you have a daughter and manage to pull off a marriage (which also costs a lot of points), you won't need to keep sending an envoy to build up those points. 

Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: W8taminute on September 02, 2015, 04:49:39 PM
I read on another forum that Steam forgot to include a game manual with the game.  Can anyone here who owns the game verify this?  I was leaning towards picking up the PC version but if there is no game manual I'll get the PS4 version.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on September 02, 2015, 05:07:13 PM
I read on another forum that Steam forgot to include a game manual with the game.  Can anyone here who owns the game verify this?  I was leaning towards picking up the PC version but if there is no game manual I'll get the PS4 version.

The manual is there.  Press the "Manual" button in the pop up start menu.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: W8taminute on September 02, 2015, 05:10:08 PM
I read on another forum that Steam forgot to include a game manual with the game.  Can anyone here who owns the game verify this?  I was leaning towards picking up the PC version but if there is no game manual I'll get the PS4 version.

The manual is there.  Press the "Manual" button in the pop up start menu.

Ah I see.  So it is built into the game just like the import PS4 version.  Thanks for the response.  I'm leaving the house now to either buy some Steam cards to refill my wallet or pickup the PS4 version.  Which ever comes first!  LOL
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on September 02, 2015, 05:22:32 PM
I read on another forum that Steam forgot to include a game manual with the game.  Can anyone here who owns the game verify this?  I was leaning towards picking up the PC version but if there is no game manual I'll get the PS4 version.

The manual is there.  Press the "Manual" button in the pop up start menu.

Ah I see.  So it is built into the game just like the import PS4 version.  Thanks for the response.  I'm leaving the house now to either buy some Steam cards to refill my wallet or pickup the PS4 version.  Which ever comes first!  LOL

Not really built in but the PDF file is opened.
There are real in-game references too.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on September 02, 2015, 05:55:18 PM
The PDF manual is just a little sliver of a sucky thing.  There's more info about the game mechanics on the in-game Help menus.  Those aren't always clear but will point you in the general direction.

I expected to get my ass handed to me early in my first campaign, when my huge neighbor attacked me, but I've actually doubled the amount of castles I started off with after a short time.  Enjoying it thus far.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on September 02, 2015, 06:28:17 PM
I read on another forum that Steam forgot to include a game manual with the game.  Can anyone here who owns the game verify this?  I was leaning towards picking up the PC version but if there is no game manual I'll get the PS4 version.

You don't need the manual, really.  There's a basic tutorial, help screens every time you do something for the first time, and a Nobunagapedia available.  If you really feel like you need one, I have a .pdf of the PS4 manual.  Other than controller functions, it is the same information as the PC version.

I started a new game in the Birth of Nobunaga scenario, this time playing as the Shimazu clan.  Being located on the tip of a peninsula in the SW corner of the map gives me some breathing room, what with having only one front to worry about in the beginning.

I'm playing a lot more conservatively this time, using my initial turns to survey my provinces and develop my main castle town as per the first quest.  I have 8 generals, but their stats aren't so great, and 4 of them are working as overseers anyway.  I've already heard from my neghbor about joining forces to take out the guy on the other side of us, but can't afford to send anyone over to start building up trust just yet.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on September 02, 2015, 07:55:11 PM
Ah Shimazu, that's the clan every newbie loves due to location. Even in Shogun Total War. 

I will begin playing as Takeda during the weekend. Maybe do an AAR in the boards.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Apocalypse 31 on September 02, 2015, 08:09:21 PM
This is a beautiful looking game.

Is this the same game engine that was used in RUSE/Wargame series? (IrisZoom)
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on September 02, 2015, 10:02:52 PM
This is a beautiful looking game.

Is this the same game engine that was used in RUSE/Wargame series? (IrisZoom)

I doubt it.

The music is beautiful too. It's the type of music being used in Japanese Historical Dramas (TV Series).  And the art.  A lot of effort has been put on those portraits
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on September 03, 2015, 12:00:23 AM
Someone posted some quick details about how the game plays, and some examples of what you can do:

http://steamcommunity.com/app/392470/discussions/0/520518053433542711/







Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on September 03, 2015, 03:01:09 AM
Ah Shimazu, that's the clan every newbie loves due to location. Even in Shogun Total War. 

I will begin playing as Takeda during the weekend. Maybe do an AAR in the boards.

Who you calling a newbie?  :D

Somewhere buried in the nest of menus is a screen that shows loyalty of the people in your main castle and fortresses, but I can't seem to find it.  You wouldn't happen to remember where it is, would you?
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on September 03, 2015, 03:30:35 AM
I will poke around.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: W8taminute on September 03, 2015, 04:48:05 AM
Ah Shimazu, that's the clan every newbie loves due to location. Even in Shogun Total War. 

I will begin playing as Takeda during the weekend. Maybe do an AAR in the boards.

Who you calling a newbie?  :D

Somewhere buried in the nest of menus is a screen that shows loyalty of the people in your main castle and fortresses, but I can't seem to find it.  You wouldn't happen to remember where it is, would you?

I know in the PS4 version if you press R3 while hovering over a city you get a popup which among other stats shows your people's loyalty in that town.  I wonder if you R-Click using the mouse in the PC version you get the same popup. 

Well I managed to pickup the PS4 version last night.  Decided on the PS4 version because a) my local GameStop had 2 copies left and b) I've been playing Koei games on a console since 1989 and for me it wouldn't feel right any other way.   :)

Anywho the PS4 version does not come with a printed manual.  You access it like you do on the PC version. 
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on September 03, 2015, 07:49:07 AM
One thing I want to mention because it's sometimes overlooked is how good the interface is for a game this involved.  Despite a system of menus-within-menus and dozens of things you might be able to do every turn, you always know which choices are and aren't available and which targets are viable for those choices.

In too many grand strategy games you either have to scour the map or study a spreadsheet in order to find opportunities for action.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on September 03, 2015, 11:33:12 AM


Who you calling a newbie?  :D

Somewhere buried in the nest of menus is a screen that shows loyalty of the people in your main castle and fortresses, but I can't seem to find it.  You wouldn't happen to remember where it is, would you?


In your Officer List, there are small tabs above it.  One is labelled "Loyalty" and has a colored graphic to represent current loyalty in the list.  The columns are sortable if you click on them, as expected.  There is some nice info in those various tabs, so you don't have to open every character and then tab through each individually.


Two ways to get to your Officer List:

1) Click the Menu button, top right, with the three horizontal lines on it.  I think it's called a Data or Lists screen.  The right column will have buttons for full lists of your Holdings, Officers, Etc.  Choose the Officer one.

2) Zoom the map all the way out.  Click on your clan flag.  Choose the magnifying glass button on the newly opened clan data box on the right, next to where it says "Officers". 

 O0

You can also use similar UI routes to check out other clans' officers, holdings, etc.





I know in the PS4 version if you press R3 while hovering over a city you get a popup which among other stats shows your people's loyalty in that town.  I wonder if you R-Click using the mouse in the PC version you get the same popup. 



Rt-Click on the PC version defaults to 'Cancel/Go-Back', but there is an option to turn it off.  I'm not sure if you get a R-Click menu if you turn it off, though, and I tend to use the default go-back command fairly often.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on September 03, 2015, 12:43:07 PM
My Mori start in the longest campaign has gone better than I expected.  Doubled my holdings in the first few years and upgraded them quite a bit.

Mori Motonari is one badass daimyo to start with and he had a good stable of generals too.  Gonna be sweeping through some more defenses soon.   >:D


(http://i60.tinypic.com/jggqw1.jpg)

(http://i62.tinypic.com/rctqur.jpg)


Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on September 03, 2015, 12:46:07 PM


Who you calling a newbie?  :D

Somewhere buried in the nest of menus is a screen that shows loyalty of the people in your main castle and fortresses, but I can't seem to find it.  You wouldn't happen to remember where it is, would you?

I wasn't clear.  Sorry. I meant loyalty of people in the fortress villages.  But I found it anyway.


In your Officer List, there are small tabs above it.  One is labelled "Loyalty" and has a colored graphic to represent current loyalty in the list.  The columns are sortable if you click on them, as expected.  There is some nice info in those various tabs, so you don't have to open every character and then tab through each individually.


Two ways to get to your Officer List:

1) Click the Menu button, top right, with the three horizontal lines on it.  I think it's called a Data or Lists screen.  The right column will have buttons for full lists of your Holdings, Officers, Etc.  Choose the Officer one.

2) Zoom the map all the way out.  Click on your clan flag.  Choose the magnifying glass button on the newly opened clan data box on the right, next to where it says "Officers". 

 O0

You can also use similar UI routes to check out other clans' officers, holdings, etc.





I know in the PS4 version if you press R3 while hovering over a city you get a popup which among other stats shows your people's loyalty in that town.  I wonder if you R-Click using the mouse in the PC version you get the same popup. 



Rt-Click on the PC version defaults to 'Cancel/Go-Back', but there is an option to turn it off.  I'm not sure if you get a R-Click menu if you turn it off, though, and I tend to use the default go-back command fairly often.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on September 03, 2015, 03:47:18 PM
Some questions  regarding diplomacy:

As noted, I'm playing the Shimazu clan.  I haven't done anything about diplomacy with the other Daimyos in the neighborhood because I can't afford it yet. About half a dozen turns in I was approached by the Shimadu clan to the North requesting a 2 year alliance (costs 80 Trust) and that we work together to eliminate our neighbor to the East, the Kimatsuki. When I go to the diplomacy menu, I have 20 Trust with the Shimadus, left over form the formation of the alliance, I assume.

1) Where did the 100 Trust come from?  I didn't send anyone out, and I never got a notice about anyone coming to my court.  If the Shimados sent someone over to start building up Trust, shouldn't I have gotten a message about it?

2) I'm pretty much ready to strike against the Kimotsuki.  As my ally (and this was their idea in the first place), will my ally the Shimadus automatically send out troops to support me, or do I have to wait until I get Trust back up to 40 and formally request it?

Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on September 03, 2015, 04:20:00 PM
I think trust accrues automatically depending on the relations (Friendly, Normal, Hostile) but the pace is still slow.
It will accrue faster if you send envoys (at a cost of 600 gold every month), marriage relations, alliances(?). 

They will not automatically send reinforcements.  You will have to use the trust points to make the request.

Disclaimer.  This is based on my limited experience with the Chinese version of the game.  Haven't played this one much.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on September 03, 2015, 04:26:37 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on September 03, 2015, 04:30:32 PM
I just saw in a manual that I haven't noticed and tried before.  You can actually submit and become a vassal of a larger clan.  Maybe that's also a way to survive if you're small.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: W8taminute on September 03, 2015, 06:00:09 PM
I think trust accrues automatically depending on the relations (Friendly, Normal, Hostile) but the pace is still slow.
It will accrue faster if you send envoys (at a cost of 600 gold every month), marriage relations, alliances(?). 

They will not automatically send reinforcements.  You will have to use the trust points to make the request.

Disclaimer.  This is based on my limited experience with the Chinese version of the game.  Haven't played this one much.

You are correct in terms of gaining trust and asking for reinforcements. 
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on September 03, 2015, 06:36:34 PM
I just saw in a manual that I haven't noticed and tried before.  You can actually submit and become a vassal of a larger clan.  Maybe that's also a way to survive if you're small.

Not only that, but if your liege succeeds at one of the victory conditions, that's considered a win for you as well.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on September 03, 2015, 06:37:31 PM
I think trust accrues automatically depending on the relations (Friendly, Normal, Hostile) but the pace is still slow.
It will accrue faster if you send envoys (at a cost of 600 gold every month), marriage relations, alliances(?). 

They will not automatically send reinforcements.  You will have to use the trust points to make the request.

Disclaimer.  This is based on my limited experience with the Chinese version of the game.  Haven't played this one much.

You are correct in terms of gaining trust and asking for reinforcements.

So I got Trust with the Shimazu up to 40, but still couldn't ask for support.  I thought I might have to try to surround the castle first, but that made no difference.

I keep getting a message saying I don't have enough troops to surround the castle, but the option to request support is grayed out in both the council menu and the military menu, even though trust with the Shimazu is 40.

What am I doing wrong?
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on September 03, 2015, 07:32:45 PM
I started the campaign having 40 Trust with my liege. 

Before long I was attacked by a much larger neighbor.  Fortunately they didn't send everything they had against me, so I managed to hold them off, but I couldn't use that 40 Trust to request my liege send troops to assist in my defense.  For awhile, at least.  It eventually.. unlocked? 

Whatever happened, I didn't need to use it by the time it unlocked because my attacker had evidently taken a standing hit with my lord's faction (for attacking me, his vassal/ally) and my lord eventually started attacking him of his own accord.  Or maybe he started attacking him after he had stripped troops from neighboring castles to attack me?  I dunno. 

Maybe you need to be at war with someone for awhile (their standing at "Refused"), in that situation, before the option to spend those diplo points becomes available?  Or perhaps there is an extra hidden time factor regarding how long you've had neutral/good relations before being able to use those points in diplomacy?  Since the game had just started shortly before, and my liege lord's diplo stance towards me was the "Normal" neutral one, that could well be the reason.

My points don't go up with other factions on friendly terms with me.  At all.  I have to spend and send to get them.  Their general stance towards me, in the form of one word displayed with the Diplomacy map overlay on, is the only thing that varies on it's own.  Maybe in the Chinese version this is also displayed as a numerical value that changes?  I'm just seeing the words.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on September 03, 2015, 07:58:55 PM
I think trust accrues automatically depending on the relations (Friendly, Normal, Hostile) but the pace is still slow.
It will accrue faster if you send envoys (at a cost of 600 gold every month), marriage relations, alliances(?). 

They will not automatically send reinforcements.  You will have to use the trust points to make the request.

Disclaimer.  This is based on my limited experience with the Chinese version of the game.  Haven't played this one much.

You are correct in terms of gaining trust and asking for reinforcements.

So I got Trust with the Shimazu up to 40, but still couldn't ask for support.  I thought I might have to try to surround the castle first, but that made no difference.

I keep getting a message saying I don't have enough troops to surround the castle, but the option to request support is grayed out in both the council menu and the military menu, even though trust with the Shimazu is 40.

What am I doing wrong?

Are all your officers out camapaigning?
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on September 03, 2015, 08:05:51 PM
No.  But I just noticed that they're called relief forces.  Does that mean I can only call them in when I'm attacked?
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: W8taminute on September 03, 2015, 10:01:42 PM
No.  But I just noticed that they're called relief forces.  Does that mean I can only call them in when I'm attacked?

They will come to your aid even when you are the one doing the attacking.  First though you must have at least a 6 month ally treaty with them.  Remember though that if you ask for their troops to help you it costs trust points.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on September 04, 2015, 12:56:16 AM
No.  But I just noticed that they're called relief forces.  Does that mean I can only call them in when I'm attacked?

They will come to your aid even when you are the one doing the attacking.  First though you must have at least a 6 month ally treaty with them.  Remember though that if you ask for their troops to help you it costs trust points.

I already covered that.  I have a 2 year alliance and 40 trust points and the option to ask for support is still grayed out.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Grim.Reaper on September 04, 2015, 03:56:03 AM
I keep reading this thread in hopes something will click with me to want to purchase.....but just hasn't happened yet.  I am getting the impression it could be pretty complex to play, but maybe that is incorrect.  Maybe if it was a little cheaper I would take the risk.  I'll keep monitoring to see if at somepoint something sticks with me.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on September 04, 2015, 05:13:43 AM
I keep reading this thread in hopes something will click with me to want to purchase.....but just hasn't happened yet.  I am getting the impression it could be pretty complex to play, but maybe that is incorrect.  Maybe if it was a little cheaper I would take the risk.  I'll keep monitoring to see if at somepoint something sticks with me.

It takes some fingering out.  But I kinda enjoy solving the mysteries.

Definitely getting those "one more turn" urges, where it's difficult to save and exit the game.  Although most turns just consist of setting up some land development orders.  I always enjoyed focusing on economic & military improvements in grand strategy games, so that's probably why.

If you like playing the strategic turn-based side of the Total War series, or other grand strategies, then it's worth looking into getting this.  You should have some interest in the setting, though.  The actual combat is very hands-off.. I usually just let it auto-resolve, as it does by default.  So don't expect fancy combat mechanics.

My biggest concern with the game, right now, is whether there will be a shortage of Generals to do your bidding late in the game.  AFAICT the only new ones you get are your Daimyo's own offspring, which are scripted to be the historical ones.  I don't think our retainers have children that will join the clan to serve you.  If that's the case, getting more generals consists of either bribing the rare unhappy one (which also tend to be that way with you, eventually) or conquering whole clans and forcing their pliable generals into your service (for which they'll be a bit unhappy for awhile too). 
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: undercovergeek on September 04, 2015, 05:23:09 AM
complicated is good - not knowing why is bad
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Grim.Reaper on September 04, 2015, 05:44:54 AM
Thanks for the info.....not ready to pull the trigger yet but certainly could happen at some point, especially if I find it cheaper someday:)
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: BanzaiCat on September 04, 2015, 06:44:59 AM
Thanks for the info.....not ready to pull the trigger yet but certainly could happen at some point, especially if I find it cheaper someday:)

+1

Played the hell out of this on my old Nintendo NES. This and a few other Koei titles, but cannot recall their names offhand.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on September 04, 2015, 07:15:41 AM
Thanks for the info.....not ready to pull the trigger yet but certainly could happen at some point, especially if I find it cheaper someday:)

+1

Played the hell out of this on my old Nintendo NES. This and a few other Koei titles, but cannot recall their names offhand.

Romance of the Three Kingdoms, Bandit Kings of Ancient Chines, Le Empereur(?), etc.

This one is so different because it takes some of the boring turn-based stuff.  The flow of the game play of this one is quite fluid.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: BanzaiCat on September 04, 2015, 07:17:21 AM
Romance of the Three Kingdoms...that was definitely one of the others. Thanks, jomni, for the memory jog.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on September 04, 2015, 07:36:56 AM
If you have treasures it's pretty easy to get a general's loyalty up with gifts.

One thing I want to mention because it's sometimes overlooked is how good the interface is for a game this involved. Despite a system of menus-within-menus and dozens of things you might be able to do every turn, you always know which choices are and aren't available and which targets are viable for those choices.

In too many grand strategy games you either have to scour the map or study a spreadsheet in order to find opportunities for action.

Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on September 04, 2015, 10:43:00 AM
Thanks for the info.....not ready to pull the trigger yet but certainly could happen at some point, especially if I find it cheaper someday:)

+1

Played the hell out of this on my old Nintendo NES. This and a few other Koei titles, but cannot recall their names offhand.


PTO I & II were great, also.

If they made a modern one with similar gameplay, I'd be all over it.


Isn't the last Romance of the Three Kingdoms released in English, for PC, number.. 11?  Think it originally came out around 2008.  Gamersgate sells it.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: JasonPratt on September 04, 2015, 11:11:23 AM
Yes, Rot3K 11; it was a port from PS2. Generally 9 has been regarded as the best, but I don't know if that got a PC port. There haven't been any more localizations since then, except on iOS, which got some good industry reviews. So 11 is the last I know about on any large system. Though I expect Koei has been releasing them still in Japan.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: JasonPratt on September 04, 2015, 11:15:04 AM
Koei has kept its Dynasty Warriors (and related titles) releases up to date; One Piece Warriors 3 (same engine, different property) was released only a week or two ago.

They even released a localized and updated version of Bladestorm to PC a few months ago, which uses their Kessen game system (making the beat-em-up gameplay of the Warriors system into more of a real-time-strategy game).

I wish they'd spare some ergs to release an updated Dynasty Tactics game, though I guess it wouldn't do me any good since even if they localized it for North America they might only release it for PS4. :(
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on September 04, 2015, 04:37:33 PM
Isn't the last Romance of the Three Kingdoms released in English, for PC, number.. 11?  Think it originally came out around 2008.  Gamersgate sells it.

Yes.  11 is quite tedious to play.

The coming ROTK 13 will be in the same engine as Nobunaga by the looks of it.  Game will be out in October in Japan so add another two years of localization if they ever do it.
http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/sangokushi13/system2.html

The Musou hack and slash games are easy to localize compared to these deep strategy games.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: endfire79 on September 04, 2015, 07:23:17 PM
Thanks for the info.....not ready to pull the trigger yet but certainly could happen at some point, especially if I find it cheaper someday:)

+1

Played the hell out of this on my old Nintendo NES. This and a few other Koei titles, but cannot recall their names offhand.



PTO I & II were great, also.

If they made a modern one with similar gameplay, I'd be all over it.


Isn't the last Romance of the Three Kingdoms released in English, for PC, number.. 11?  Think it originally came out around 2008.  Gamersgate sells it.




PTO  1 was my favorite - for some reason the music stuck with me.  Another favorite was Uncharted Waters #1 (#2 was too kiddy-gamey).
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: W8taminute on September 04, 2015, 09:28:38 PM
No.  But I just noticed that they're called relief forces.  Does that mean I can only call them in when I'm attacked?

They will come to your aid even when you are the one doing the attacking.  First though you must have at least a 6 month ally treaty with them.  Remember though that if you ask for their troops to help you it costs trust points.

I already covered that.  I have a 2 year alliance and 40 trust points and the option to ask for support is still grayed out.

During the realtime portion of the game pause the action then click on the ask for troops button.  You should then be given the option to ask that clan for help.  Also if you have a coalition setup with other clans you can either ask them for troops or they will automatically send them.

With tribes you need to get their interest in you greater than %70 then they will automatically send troops to your aid.  I have yet to ask a tribe for help because they just send me the troops when a war breaks out.  With allied clans you usually have to ask for their help.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on September 05, 2015, 10:35:34 AM
Thanks for the info.....not ready to pull the trigger yet but certainly could happen at some point, especially if I find it cheaper someday:)

+1

Played the hell out of this on my old Nintendo NES. This and a few other Koei titles, but cannot recall their names offhand.



PTO I & II were great, also.

If they made a modern one with similar gameplay, I'd be all over it.


Isn't the last Romance of the Three Kingdoms released in English, for PC, number.. 11?  Think it originally came out around 2008.  Gamersgate sells it.




PTO  1 was my favorite - for some reason the music stuck with me.  Another favorite was Uncharted Waters #1 (#2 was too kiddy-gamey).

Same.  I enjoyed the original PTO more than the second. 

Would be nice to have a new one.  Running the whole Pacific theater is a lot of fun when you don't have to fight the tedious interface of WitP.

I've seen someone doing a current youtube LP series on PTO II.  I recall attempting to run one of them in an emulator, years ago, but the screen resolution of those old console games is terribly small.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: spelk on September 05, 2015, 11:40:32 AM
This video takes you through most of the options and explains a little bit about each..

Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: W8taminute on September 05, 2015, 12:54:06 PM
That's the best video I've seen so far that explains the game without having the commentator act like a clown.  Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: W8taminute on September 05, 2015, 12:59:39 PM
Thanks for the info.....not ready to pull the trigger yet but certainly could happen at some point, especially if I find it cheaper someday:)

I definitely understand your doubts about pulling the trigger on this game at that pricepoint.  Koei has always priced it's Historical Series strategy games that they offer to the west at a premium.  Then they wonder why their sales are not the greatest.  I know they're trying to make a profit but catering to a niche market (people like myself who love the games Koei makes and will pay the price no matter what) and therefor providing only a handful of games limits their long term profitability.  If only they would wake up and drop their prices a bit, many more strategy gamers in the west would take the plunge and try their games out. 

Once people see how elegantly simple to play yet rich with strategy gaming goodness these games are Koei could profit much greater with high volume moderately priced games vs. high priced games catering to a limited fanbase.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Grim.Reaper on September 05, 2015, 01:06:14 PM
Thanks for the info.....not ready to pull the trigger yet but certainly could happen at some point, especially if I find it cheaper someday:)

I definitely understand your doubts about pulling the trigger on this game at that pricepoint.  Koei has always priced it's Historical Series strategy games that they offer to the west at a premium.  Then they wonder why their sales are not the greatest.  I know they're trying to make a profit but catering to a niche market (people like myself who love the games Koei makes and will pay the price no matter what) and therefor providing only a handful of games limits their long term profitability.  If only they would wake up and drop their prices a bit, many more strategy gamers in the west would take the plunge and try their games out. 

Once people see how elegantly simple to play yet rich with strategy gaming goodness these games are Koei could profit much greater with high volume moderately priced games vs. high priced games catering to a limited fanbase.

To be honest, I have been weakening of late, may pull the trigger before the weekend ends:)  If it truly is a great game that I will play for a long time, price is not much of a concern...just not really sure if my small brain can wrap my head around everything making it worth my efforts:)
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on September 05, 2015, 02:28:06 PM
Thanks for the info.....not ready to pull the trigger yet but certainly could happen at some point, especially if I find it cheaper someday:)

I definitely understand your doubts about pulling the trigger on this game at that pricepoint.  Koei has always priced it's Historical Series strategy games that they offer to the west at a premium.  Then they wonder why their sales are not the greatest.  I know they're trying to make a profit but catering to a niche market (people like myself who love the games Koei makes and will pay the price no matter what) and therefor providing only a handful of games limits their long term profitability.  If only they would wake up and drop their prices a bit, many more strategy gamers in the west would take the plunge and try their games out. 

Once people see how elegantly simple to play yet rich with strategy gaming goodness these games are Koei could profit much greater with high volume moderately priced games vs. high priced games catering to a limited fanbase.


I think their pricing strategy for the few PC titles are based solely on what has always been their primary focus:  console games.

So they just slap console-level prices on them.  Despite having much less overhead due to digital distro.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Grim.Reaper on September 05, 2015, 02:45:11 PM
Does the game have a "sandbox" mode or is everything specific scenario driven?
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on September 05, 2015, 02:46:05 PM
Does the game have a "sandbox" mode or is everything specific scenario driven?

It's all sandbox mode.  The so-called "scenarios" are just different start dates in the campaign.  Like those in the Paradox games.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Grim.Reaper on September 05, 2015, 02:49:30 PM
Does the game have a "sandbox" mode or is everything specific scenario driven?

It's all sandbox mode.  The so-called "scenarios" are just different start dates in the campaign.  Like those in the Paradox games.

Ok, thank you...the reference to Paradox methods make it clear to me..
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on September 05, 2015, 03:01:41 PM
Having gone on a few expansionist campaigns now, with NASoI, I've realized that your stockpiled supplies are as important to take into account as the enemy.

Keeping multiple large forces out in the field can really suck down those supplies.  Plus you need to keep an eye on the supplies each one has with it, sending them back to resupply if keeping them out for more than a couple months.

So my wars have generally lasted less than a year thus far.  When supplies start getting low, gotta send the men home or your armies will quickly melt away.  Plus, you want to keep a chunk of supplies saved up for sending out relief armies if one of your castles gets attacked.

On Normal, the AI hasn't been a big challenge in warfare.  They fight back, but I've had the upper hand against approximately equal-sized foes.  Bigger ones could still be a big problem, though.  To be fair, I started with a pretty good set of generals so that has probably helped me win battles.

Another limiting factor on expansion is the amount of generals you have.  I've picked up quite a few by completely eliminating a couple other clans, so that is one way to get more although they won't start off very loyal.  The other is paying the occasional Ronin that shows up.  That has generally been happening after I take more than one castle in short order.

Having 3 generals per castle is ideal IMO.  One as Lord and commander of it's army in the field.  An overseer to make improvements more efficient.  And another for any local building & such.  Ideal minimum.



My Mori campaign, 10 years in.

My Ouchi Lord released me from Vassalage after I finished off Amago, which we had been fighting for years.  So if you get large enough, it seems vassalage is automatically removed from your clan.

And my daimyo, Motonari, is almost unstoppable now with stats going up to insane levels from all his battle experience.

I would definitely recommend Mori as a good beginner clan, in the earliest start date ("Nobunaga is born"?).  It starts as a vassal to the massive Ouchi clan to the west.  So you can expand east and Ouchi often end up fighting the same clans you attack.  They will also occasionally request you help defend one of their castles from same, which is a quick way of getting free Diplo points with them.  You also have a large amount of good generals from the start.  Some of your Diplo options are blocked, due to being a vassal until you get large enough, but that could help ease into it.

(http://i57.tinypic.com/2945hq8.jpg)
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: W8taminute on September 05, 2015, 03:19:10 PM
^Nice job there Nefaro.  Looks like you've got the basic concepts and then some down pretty good. 
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: spelk on September 05, 2015, 04:07:21 PM
I picked up the PS4 version, and I must say, the tutorial does impart some knowledge, but in an awkward way. I failed the tactical battle, because I pressed the wrong button and used a special on a unit I shouldn't have and then the enemy managed to get a good charge off at me! So I had to then go through all the tutorial again!!! And that young advisor went further afield for his sweeties! :)

However, after watching that Youtube vid, and then trying out the first scenario position, I can see myself becoming quite embroiled in this game. I do like the simpler more understandable ways the economy seems to tick over, and the combat seems streamlined but still engaging. Even the autoresolved stuff requires some semi-tactical knowledge around the node points.

I'm usually afeared and a'trembling when it comes to Grand strategy, but this title seems to lure me in with the historical stories, the movement and maneouvre and the traits/personalities and human angle on leadership. Valkyrie Chronicles & Crusader Kings, in a very small way.

I've only tasted a very small bit of conquest on the game but I think I like it. We'll see.

Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Barthheart on September 05, 2015, 04:46:28 PM
Man you all are making it really hard not to buy in on this.  :knuppel2:

I've never played any versions of this and know very little of the history of the period but I can see myself using this to get my intro and leading to some history reading.

Just what I need.... more involved games that eat up time.... I need to retire soon.... :P
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on September 05, 2015, 05:03:00 PM
Having gone on a few expansionist campaigns now, with NASoI, I've realized that your stockpiled supplies are as important to take into account as the enemy.

Keeping multiple large forces out in the field can really suck down those supplies.  Plus you need to keep an eye on the supplies each one has with it, sending them back to resupply if keeping them out for more than a couple months.

So my wars have generally lasted less than a year thus far.  When supplies start getting low, gotta send the men home or your armies will quickly melt away.  Plus, you want to keep a chunk of supplies saved up for sending out relief armies if one of your castles gets attacked.

On Normal, the AI hasn't been a big challenge in warfare.  They fight back, but I've had the upper hand against approximately equal-sized foes.  Bigger ones could still be a big problem, though.  To be fair, I started with a pretty good set of generals so that has probably helped me win battles.

Another limiting factor on expansion is the amount of generals you have.  I've picked up quite a few by completely eliminating a couple other clans, so that is one way to get more although they won't start off very loyal.  The other is paying the occasional Ronin that shows up.  That has generally been happening after I take more than one castle in short order.

Having 3 generals per castle is ideal IMO.  One as Lord and commander of it's army in the field.  An overseer to make improvements more efficient.  And another for any local building & such.  Ideal minimum.



My Mori campaign, 10 years in.

My Ouchi Lord released me from Vassalage after I finished off Amago, which we had been fighting for years.  So if you get large enough, it seems vassalage is automatically removed from your clan.

And my daimyo, Motonari, is almost unstoppable now with stats going up to insane levels from all his battle experience.

I would definitely recommend Mori as a good beginner clan, in the earliest start date ("Nobunaga is born"?).  It starts as a vassal to the massive Ouchi clan to the west.  So you can expand east and Ouchi often end up fighting the same clans you attack.  They will also occasionally request you help defend one of their castles from same, which is a quick way of getting free Diplo points with them.  You also have a large amount of good generals from the start.  Some of your Diplo options are blocked, due to being a vassal until you get large enough, but that could help ease into it.

(http://i57.tinypic.com/2945hq8.jpg)

Looks good.  I'm doing Takeda now.  But still small.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on September 05, 2015, 06:11:00 PM
I thought the overseer and castle lord were one and the same.  I know how to assign a Lord, but can't find any way to assign an overseer.

I've been playing Oda in the first scenario and doing OK, I guess, just a few years in, but Mori sounds intriguing and I may give them a shot.  Are you playing with historical events on or off?
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: W8taminute on September 05, 2015, 07:44:22 PM
Man you all are making it really hard not to buy in on this.  :knuppel2:

I've never played any versions of this and know very little of the history of the period but I can see myself using this to get my intro and leading to some history reading.

Just what I need.... more involved games that eat up time.... I need to retire soon.... :P

If you do pick this game up I can assure you that you will learn much about the period and place this game is set in.  Much more so that Total War: Shogun 2 does it.  The reason is Koei has integrated the story telling/history lesson into the game flow quite smoothly.  It's like you think you're having fun playing a game but what you don't realize is that you're learning something about the warring states period in Japan. 

In fact having played these games for years when I finally did get TW: S2 I almost laughed at how much I already knew. 
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on September 06, 2015, 12:13:06 AM
I thought the overseer and castle lord were one and the same.  I know how to assign a Lord, but can't find any way to assign an overseer.

You can assign a different Overseer when you give a Development command (Crops/Crafts/Soldiers) to the castle in question. It is on the same pop-up asking which of the three you wanna do.

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I've been playing Oda in the first scenario and doing OK, I guess, just a few years in, but Mori sounds intriguing and I may give them a shot.  Are you playing with historical events on or off?


I have Historical Events on, Normal Difficulty, and Normal Generals' Life Spans. 

I started with two castles and around 14 generals.  Now I have 11 castles and 44 generals (although a few aren't very loyal).  Depending on how my solo wars with other clans larger than my own go, I may test out raising the difficulty one notch on my next campaign.  But this one has been rather addicting & I've always enjoyed playing Mori in Sengoku games for some reason.  I don't know a lot of hard details about the clan (or many others) yet, but I do know the Mori had a pretty steady rise in power during the period.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on September 06, 2015, 12:36:57 AM
As Takeda in my 7th year, I'm now surrounded by powerful clans.  Imagawa, Hojo, Nagao (the future Usesugi Kenshin). 
The Imagawa eliminated Oda early on.  Let's see if Oda Nobunaga will still appear to put a stop to the Imagawa.
I have a marriage with Imagawa and not in good terms with the Hojo.  Maybe I should go historical and ally with the Hojo and concentrate on Nagao.

I love the streamlined people management as the game tells you which generals are not loyal in an instant.  That means I can also easily spot the unloyal enemy generals that I can manipulate.
This is an actual strategy in real life and many good plans are spoiled by general that don't do anything, rebel, or defect.

I'm still not proficient in making good use of those Trust points.  Earning and using them at the right time seems to escape me.  How do I build coalitions?

Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on September 06, 2015, 12:51:54 AM
Nefaro, Background on Mori:

The Mōri (actually read as Mouri) was an illustrious clan.  They have one of the better navies and controlled the Inland Sea.  They supported the Ikko Ikki against Oda Nobunaga.
Nobunaga sent Toyotomi Hideyoshi to get rid of them but Nobunaga's untimely death resulted into a truce between Mori and Toyotomi.  Toyotomi became leader of all of Japan and the Mori participated in the disastrous invasion of Korea.  Discontent on Toyotomi brewed and when he died and passed on control to his infant child, all hell broke loose.  The Mori was supposed to be the leader of the Western alliance against Tokugawa's Eastern alliance.  But they were indecisive during the battle of Sekigahara and Ishida ended up in control of the Western alliance instead.

Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on September 06, 2015, 04:53:44 AM
You can only build a coalition of small clans against one significantly larger. The command is in the military menu, I think.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on September 06, 2015, 05:15:22 AM
You can only build a coalition of small clans against one significantly larger. The command is in the military menu, I think.

Oh during real time mode?
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on September 06, 2015, 08:21:52 AM
Nefaro, Background on Mori:

The Mōri (actually read as Mouri) was an illustrious clan.  They have one of the better navies and controlled the Inland Sea.  They supported the Ikko Ikki against Oda Nobunaga.
Nobunaga sent Toyotomi Hideyoshi to get rid of them but Nobunaga's untimely death resulted into a truce between Mori and Toyotomi.  Toyotomi became leader of all of Japan and the Mori participated in the disastrous invasion of Korea.  Discontent on Toyotomi brewed and when he died and passed on control to his infant child, all hell broke loose.  The Mori was supposed to be the leader of the Western alliance against Tokugawa's Eastern alliance.  But they were indecisive during the battle of Sekigahara and Ishida ended up in control of the Western alliance instead.

Thanks.

The little historical blurb in Motonari's character window, about winning a battle outnumbered 5-to-1, made me curious about finer details. 

I think this page helped with the summation:

http://wiki.samurai-archives.com/index.php?title=Mori_Motonari

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Under his leadership the Môri had expanded from a few districts in Aki to rule over ten of the Chugoku's eleven provinces. Motonari was known even in his day as a master of wiles and trickery, a warlord whose schemes won as many battles as his soldiers. His greatest victories: Arita-Nakaide, Yoshida-Koriyama, and Itskushima had all been against numerically superior foes and involved bold action on Motonari's part.


It's that kind of historical (and sometimes mythical?) stuff I like to dig up about some of the lesser known daimyos of the period.  That looks like a pretty good wiki for it.   Alphabetical List of Daimyo info (http://wiki.samurai-archives.com/index.php?title=Category:Sengoku_Period)
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: spelk on September 06, 2015, 08:28:37 AM
For flavour and bad quality video you could watch this playlist...

Nobunaga
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvuV7nJC0j_3el5wVOFpWcJjEbGRAVlu0

Or just for a brief slice of battle, try this..



I'm sure theres better out there..
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: W8taminute on September 06, 2015, 09:08:15 AM
You can only build a coalition of small clans against one significantly larger. The command is in the military menu, I think.

Oh during real time mode?

No during the council mode.  The option to build a coalition is under diplomacy mode, fourth one in from the left iirc.  The icon looks something like a fence but will only be illuminated if circumstances permit.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Ian C on September 06, 2015, 09:44:24 AM
Is this game any good?
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: JasonPratt on September 06, 2015, 10:03:01 AM
I weakened. My rationale being that if I help support them on release, maybe they'll figure they should localize (and develop) more games.

DYNASTY TACTICS 3! DYNASTY TACTICS 3!

(There will almost surely never be a dynasty tactics 3... {sigh})
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on September 06, 2015, 10:03:42 AM
Is this game any good?

Very good.  There's a bit of a learning curve, as you can see from this thread, but it's not too bad.  If not for Massive Chalice, it might have been my Strategy GOTY.  I thought I would hate the historical cut scenes but I'm enjoying them.  My only complaint other than having to reset the graphics option every time I play is the English voice acting, which sounds like a dubbed Godzilla movie, but you can get around it by having the sound bites play in Japanese.

I'm also starting a game as the Mori, but in the second scenario (the one with "Viper" in the title). Again you start out as vassals of the Ouchi, but with only one main castle and four fortresses.  28 generals, I think, which should be enough to do almost anything, money permitting.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Ian C on September 06, 2015, 10:28:50 AM
If not for Massive Chalice, it might have been my Strategy GOTY.

Now that's torn it. Another game...
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Grim.Reaper on September 06, 2015, 10:29:34 AM
Make sure to talk about how bad this game is throughout the day today...my plan is to purchase tonight when I get home but if I see a bunch of bad stuff, it will save me the money:)
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: W8taminute on September 06, 2015, 11:08:00 AM
I weakened. My rationale being that if I help support them on release, maybe they'll figure they should localize (and develop) more games.

DYNASTY TACTICS 3! DYNASTY TACTICS 3!

(There will almost surely never be a dynasty tactics 3... {sigh})

Exactly my thinking as well Jason.  That's why I purchased both the PC and the PS4 versions of the game.  Dynasty Tactics ruled!  Didn't know they had a second one.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: AndyBrown on September 06, 2015, 07:27:50 PM

My only complaint other than having to reset the graphics option every time I play ...

People,

Try creating a shortcut direct to the NOBU14PK.exe instead of starting the game through the launcher.  That should stop the graphics settings reset.

Andy Brown
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on September 06, 2015, 07:42:48 PM
Thanks.  I'll try that.

But will all the Steam features still be there?  Screenshot, usage statistics.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on September 06, 2015, 08:50:18 PM
Thanks.  I'll try that.

But will all the Steam features still be there?  Screenshot, usage statistics.

Pretty sure the Steam overlay plug-ins are always part of the exe, not the launcher.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on September 06, 2015, 08:50:36 PM
It still brings up the launcher.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Ian C on September 07, 2015, 05:38:49 AM
Try creating a shortcut direct to the NOBU14PK.exe instead of starting the game through the launcher.  That should stop the graphics settings reset.

Thanks Andy, but it doesn't work for me. Good suggestion though. Running the game and launcher on 'Run As Admin' also fails to resolve the issue.
Maybe one of the hardcore coder guys here might have some insight?




Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Grim.Reaper on September 07, 2015, 05:56:38 AM
Try creating a shortcut direct to the NOBU14PK.exe instead of starting the game through the launcher.  That should stop the graphics settings reset.

Thanks Andy, but it doesn't work for me. Good suggestion though. Running the game and launcher on 'Run As Admin' also fails to resolve the issue.
Maybe one of the hardcore coder guys here might have some insight?

From what I have seen in the Steam forums, seems like this issue goes back to the original versions and never was fixed...so thinking likely not away for people besides the developer to correct.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Ian C on September 07, 2015, 06:11:21 AM
Some fix will pop up sooner or later.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: undercovergeek on September 07, 2015, 08:41:32 AM
If I had a 50 note burning in my pocket but hadn't finished or even scratched the surface of shogun 2 is this still a good choice? Metal gear 5 is the other choice
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Grim.Reaper on September 07, 2015, 08:51:33 AM
I just purchased it myself this morning but unsure if I will like.  I remembered that steam gives refunds for under 2 hours played, so I thought what the heck and gave it a try.  Since totally different games, hard to compare mg to this, but personally think mg will be the better long term game for me, but who knows.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: undercovergeek on September 07, 2015, 08:55:29 AM
I just purchased it myself this morning but unsure if I will like.  I remembered that steam gives refunds for under 2 hours played, so I thought what the heck and gave it a try.  Since totally different games, hard to compare mg to this, but personally think mg will be the better long term game for me, but who knows.

What does it do that shogun doesn't?
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Grim.Reaper on September 07, 2015, 08:57:42 AM
I just purchased it myself this morning but unsure if I will like.  I remembered that steam gives refunds for under 2 hours played, so I thought what the heck and gave it a try.  Since totally different games, hard to compare mg to this, but personally think mg will be the better long term game for me, but who knows.

What does it do that shogun doesn't?

No idea, only have played the tutorial so far:). From what I have read people seem to indicate strategy portion much better while the tactical battles not as detailed.  I am sure some of our experts can provide more detailed thoughts.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: undercovergeek on September 07, 2015, 08:59:47 AM
Cheers grim
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on September 07, 2015, 10:04:34 AM
Try creating a shortcut direct to the NOBU14PK.exe instead of starting the game through the launcher.  That should stop the graphics settings reset.

Thanks Andy, but it doesn't work for me. Good suggestion though. Running the game and launcher on 'Run As Admin' also fails to resolve the issue.
Maybe one of the hardcore coder guys here might have some insight?

From what I have seen in the Steam forums, seems like this issue goes back to the original versions and never was fixed...so thinking likely not away for people besides the developer to correct.

I wonder if it's Windows, AV, or hardware related. 

I've not had that problem on my notebook PC at all.  I adjusted the settings in-game and they've remained that way ever since.  While that doesn't help those who do, it's obviously something caused by the environment.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on September 07, 2015, 10:10:58 AM
I just purchased it myself this morning but unsure if I will like.  I remembered that steam gives refunds for under 2 hours played, so I thought what the heck and gave it a try.  Since totally different games, hard to compare mg to this, but personally think mg will be the better long term game for me, but who knows.

What does it do that shogun doesn't?

No idea, only have played the tutorial so far:). From what I have read people seem to indicate strategy portion much better while the tactical battles not as detailed.  I am sure some of our experts can provide more detailed thoughts.

It's just a different style of grand strategy than TW.  TW seems to focus more on warfare, and upgrading mostly warfare-oriented buildings and troops. 

NA is more about delegating orders to your cadre of subordinate generals, to make a wider variety of economic & military improvements to your castles/territories.  In that sense, it has a slight hint of Roster Management, although there are only a few ways to acquire new ones.  They do improve with use & experience.  They don't have dynamic interactions with each other, as in CK2, but they do have loyalty ratings towards you and if their ideals differ from yours, they may betray you or defect.

The battles are very hands-off by default, and mostly focused on supplying them and maneuvering them on the strategic level point-to-point map routes.  So don't expect fancy TW-style tactical battles.  This is more "big picture".  Closer to just TW's turn-based strategic layer, but with a bigger emphasis on supplies and general ratings & abilities.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: spelk on September 07, 2015, 02:46:59 PM
Oh wow, I see Rob Zacny is freelancing for RPS now and he's a bit down on NA.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/09/07/nobunagas-ambition-review-pc

I thought he'd be all over it like a rash. I was hoping we'd have a Three Moves Ahead on the game.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on September 07, 2015, 03:34:04 PM
Oh wow, I see Rob Zacny is freelancing for RPS now and he's a bit down on NA.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/09/07/nobunagas-ambition-review-pc

I thought he'd be all over it like a rash. I was hoping we'd have a Three Moves Ahead on the game.

I read that earlier today and dismissed it as typical RPS nonsense.  I hadn't noticed that it was written by Zacny.  Disappointing.  But that doesn't necessarily mean TMA won't do a show on it if they can come up with one or two others who like it.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on September 07, 2015, 05:21:38 PM
I just purchased it myself this morning but unsure if I will like.  I remembered that steam gives refunds for under 2 hours played, so I thought what the heck and gave it a try.  Since totally different games, hard to compare mg to this, but personally think mg will be the better long term game for me, but who knows.

What does it do that shogun doesn't?

Real historical Japanese generals, people management, generals have special skills / tactics in battle, historical events, historical castles, multiple castles in one province, you can build your own castles, you can rally support from local minor samurai (very crucial), enact national policies based on your ideology.

Resources to conduct everything are very limited and strategy and timing is key.  True, battle is just a small part but some illustrious daimyo of the time would avoid battle as much as possible and do everything via politics.  The pace of military campaigns, (one per year unless your are big enough) is actually more historical than Total War since Shogun 2 has no actual logistics. In NA, every koku of rice is counted, whether you sell that for money or save it for a campaign, it all up to you.  Rice is only harvested once a year.

The others are correct in saying it's more like EU or CK.  But if you're familiar with classic Koei grand strategy games, then it's the familiar formula with more modern (Paradox-style) way of doing things in some aspects.

As a fan of anything on Sengoku era, they tick all the boxes right. Maybe not the battles. But it is now more involved than the previous Chinese version.  That RPS review says what the game has done right and it is a true representation of the era.  But I guess Westerners may not appreciate that.   If you watch a lot of the Sengoku TV dramas, read a lot of Samurai books, you'll appreciate it more.

Note on the review:  It is easy to see the loyalty of your men in one spot.  There's an info screen that lists all your officers. If you click the gift action (if you have an item), you will see them sorted by loyalty.  It is easy to see disloyal enemy generals in the coercion action as they are all highlighted.  You can actually delegate tasks to your castles if you want to let the governors take care of development.  Or you can also make a quick command to all your castles to develop just one aspect.

Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on September 07, 2015, 06:49:56 PM
The review is true about the art. Making these larger than life characters handsome.

This is Oda Nobunaga:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Odanobunaga.jpg)

And not this one.
(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/dynastywarriors/images/8/86/Nobunaga_Oda_(NAS).jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130514214551)
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on September 08, 2015, 05:06:33 AM
The review is true about the art. Making these larger than life characters handsome.

This is Oda Nobunaga:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Odanobunaga.jpg)

And not this one.
(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/dynastywarriors/images/8/86/Nobunaga_Oda_(NAS).jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130514214551)

Japanese console games have always gone nuts on that stuff.  The game intro also has more cheese than a dairy factory (as expected).  Doesn't bother me too much when playing this one.

And what's up with the western style plate armor he's wearing in the art?  Double cheese?
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on September 08, 2015, 05:47:10 AM
That is historical.  Oda Nobunaga is a fan of Western technology.  Both Oda Nobunaga and Tokugawa Ieyasu like to wear a "Namban do" armor.  But it shouldn't look like that.  Only the cuirass is European style (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/NanbanDo.jpg)

But popular Japanese depiction of Oda Nobunaga makes him look like Dracula.  Because he is seen as evil and ruthless.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: JasonPratt on September 08, 2015, 12:46:23 PM
Yeah, that's definitely Koei Nobunaga (and Koei Cao Cao for that matter).
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Boggit on September 09, 2015, 03:40:26 PM
In later years Tokugawa Ieyasu had got quite porky, so I imagine that his armour was quite a bit bigger than the suit shown.  ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokugawa_Ieyasu#/media/File:Tokugawa_Ieyasu.jpg
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on September 09, 2015, 04:06:03 PM
In later years Tokugawa Ieyasu had got quite porky, so I imagine that his armour was quite a bit bigger than the suit shown.  ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokugawa_Ieyasu#/media/File:Tokugawa_Ieyasu.jpg

There you go.
(http://images.wikia.com/dynastywarriors/images/1/1d/Ieyasu-wo3-dlc-sp.jpg)
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Boggit on September 09, 2015, 05:02:28 PM
In later years Tokugawa Ieyasu had got quite porky, so I imagine that his armour was quite a bit bigger than the suit shown.  ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokugawa_Ieyasu#/media/File:Tokugawa_Ieyasu.jpg

There you go.
(http://images.wikia.com/dynastywarriors/images/1/1d/Ieyasu-wo3-dlc-sp.jpg)
Ha ha ha, ROFL! Nice one Jomni! :2funny:
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: chemkid on September 18, 2015, 03:36:55 AM
nice thread, thank you all!
for the launcher problem - here's a little workaround that helped me solve it:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/392470/discussions/0/517141807566061618/

cheers!
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on October 18, 2015, 08:18:03 AM
My current holdings as Takeda.
(http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/386540406518656276/7C8432B7247ECFCD4FFD644C86B6D4A6C5127584/)

And I have recruited the Young Oda Nobunaga.  Oda clan got wiped out by the Imagawa-Matsudaira alliance.  He served under Matsudaira but was not happy.  I recruited him and gave him many gifts to make sure he doesn't defect.
(http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/386540406518655144/A84F51A51DDC3F7F40418E2455CCAC525499B0D9/)
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on October 18, 2015, 11:43:03 AM
Damn.. that's big. 

Why is Hojo colored green?  Are they allied by marriage? 

I can't recall what it signifies with Diplo toggle on since I've not yet continued my Mori campaign after having to reinstall Windows on my laptop.  I hope it had Cloud Saves enabled last time I saved.  :-\
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: mikeck on October 18, 2015, 02:08:15 PM
I didn't think I would like this game but i love it. Just so much to do. If this took place on medieval Europe, it would be game of thrones. I had an army commander was his army away from a battle and refuse to fight. Because of that, my other army it was coming to help was defeated. Turns out my general had been bought off by the other clan. Lol
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on October 18, 2015, 05:22:40 PM
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Why is Hojo colored green?  Are they allied by marriage? 
I can't recall what it signifies with Diplo toggle on since I've not yet continued my Mori campaign after having to reinstall Windows on my laptop.  I hope it had Cloud Saves enabled last time I saved.

Green = Marriage, Vassals, Alliance (limited turns)

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I didn't think I would like this game but i love it. Just so much to do. If this took place on medieval Europe, it would be game of thrones. I had an army commander was his army away from a battle and refuse to fight. Because of that, my other army it was coming to help was defeated. Turns out my general had been bought off by the other clan. Lol

Many interesting stories happened.

I decided to build a "small castle near the border" of Matsudaira and Saito clans.  Oda Nobunaga was to spearhead the construction and become the castle lord.  But my neighbours didn't like the idea so they attacked.  Tip: Make sure you station an army at the construction site.  What happened was a big mass battle of 20,000 men on both sides.  I won and saw through the completion of the "small castle near the border".

My clash with the Saito made the Suwa, a long-time ally through marriage, turn hostile.  They are located in the center of my territory. But they're so weak, it was easy to defeat them.

When I was in the midst of conquering a small clan with 4 castles (which I forgot the name), his ally, Saito, did nothing but deploy his troops along the border.

But Matsudaira (the future Tokugawa clan), attacked the "small castle on the border" with a massive army,  thinking bulk of my army was engaged in the north.  The castle, which is relatively new, was defended by Oda Nobunaga with less than 1,000 troops.  I sent my son, Takeda Harunobu (the future Takeda Shingen),with 8,000 fresh troops but I had to call in help from Hojo.  And a "mass battle" of 40,000 men (me) vs. 30,000 men (Matsudaira) happened.  I also executed brilliant maneuvers in that battle using Lure tactics to distract the large contingent with small units and then flank them with my main force. The castle was saved due to the Hojo.  But they might have become too powerful.  Due to this decisive move, a long-time vassal, the Unno clan (the future Sanada clan) asked for assimilation.

Nagao to the north decided to take advantage of the chaos.  I didn't have enough troops at the start to counter due to the Matsudaira actions (see above).  But after that was resolved, I went back north to defeat the Nagao and take two of their castles before heading back home.

Take note of the castles with little flags at the edge of my territory. You exert little control on those castles.  So the lords you assign there are somewhat autonomous.  Those castles can be assigned to "provinces".  These are autonomous groups of castles which act on their own based on some guidelines you issue to the chosen regent / "governor" (like attack or not attack, attach which castle, focus of construction projects, etc.)
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: mikeck on October 18, 2015, 06:58:10 PM
Does the assigned castle lord command the troops deployed from that castle?
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on October 18, 2015, 08:39:39 PM
For castles you own:
Up to you.  You can re assign generals sent to battle.

For autonomous castles:
Yes. Their armies are totally out of your control on the strategic map and have a mind of their own. But based on your issued high level orders. This means you can only change orders once a month. Not on the fly maneivering like other armies. So the actual decision to attack and the actual maneuvering is all up to the AI.

In think there's no escaping this when you grow large. Even if you don't assign the castle to a province,  the assigned lord and his army becomes autonomous.

This means your provincial lords / regents might do stupid things, or get your clan into trouble, and you have to save their butts.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on October 19, 2015, 12:14:38 AM
Does the assigned castle lord command the troops deployed from that castle?

I usually try to appoint a castle commander with decent warfare skills (the two relating to attack & defensive abilities) since commanding that castle's forces is one of the few tasks he can do. 

A general assigned as commander of one of your castles has very few orders he can perform so his command of it's army would still leave the extra generals assigned there free for other orders, such as building improvements.  I figure it's the most efficient use of generals on a per-castle basis.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on October 19, 2015, 12:36:45 AM
High Leadership and Valor for battle commanders. I assign as castle lords.

High Intelligence for the espionage tasks, may keep in main base or large bases.  They are also useful in battle because they help increase chance of night ambush which basically immobilizes the enemy in tactical battles. assign them as sub commander / adjutant of the unit.

High Politics generals take care of construction.

I make sure all frontline bases has at least one general with high LDR and VAL. And one with high POL.

I expanded so fast, I'm running out of generals already.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on October 22, 2015, 08:35:30 AM

Holy Moly!  Being big has it's downsides. 

When one of my vassals decided to join my clan in the East, the Date clan probably was threatened and formed a coalition.

Several clans attacked me simultaneously with targets from all sides of my empire.  The powerful members are Date, Matsudaira and Nagao. Literally hundreds of thousands of soldiers marched to battle for several months. I survived and did not lose a single castle.  I even captured one myself.  But I was at the edge of my seat all the while.  Keeping friends near the Anti-Takeda coalition members helps.  I was able to call some of them to backstab and foil coalition attacks. Trusty Hojo is again one of them.  I must make more friends to deal with this coalition if they decide to attack again in the future.

(http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/386541144108754399/CE44082D4C3098A9C1B43854E37102AD58F36B42/)
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on October 22, 2015, 08:53:24 AM
It's good to hear that the AI can & will use the Coalition mechanics against an overbearing player faction.  O0
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Jarhead0331 on October 22, 2015, 09:00:14 AM
I really need to get into this game. It sounds great.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: mikeck on October 22, 2015, 10:57:07 AM
 It is really quite good. The management of your properties as well as your officers is excellent and I wish the system would be used for a western European game. I couldn't care less about Japanese history but I find myself very much involved in this game and caring about where my officers go and who they marry. The use of a good officer to covertly kure an enemy officer away or convince him to not march on me in war is very satisfying. It's just a well-done game
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on October 22, 2015, 04:02:05 PM
It is really quite good. The management of your properties as well as your officers is excellent and I wish the system would be used for a western European game. I couldn't care less about Japanese history but I find myself very much involved in this game and caring about where my officers go and who they marry. The use of a good officer to covertly kure an enemy officer away or convince him to not march on me in war is very satisfying. It's just a well-done game

Well Crusader Kings may fit the bill.  But Nobunaga is more enjoyable for me.  Right amount of details on the right places.  And we get to see results more quickly than CK2.
The diplomacy kinda works well too despite it's simplicity.

Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on October 22, 2015, 04:07:50 PM
It is really quite good. The management of your properties as well as your officers is excellent and I wish the system would be used for a western European game. I couldn't care less about Japanese history but I find myself very much involved in this game and caring about where my officers go and who they marry. The use of a good officer to covertly kure an enemy officer away or convince him to not march on me in war is very satisfying. It's just a well-done game

Well Crusader Kings may fit the bill.  But Nobunaga is more enjoyable for me.  Right amount of details on the right places.  And we get to see results more quickly than CK2.
The diplomacy kinda works well too despite it's simplicity.


I really wish Paradox would've given Sengoku the full CK2 treatment, with all the character and event goodies. 

Unlike Mike, I think the Sengoku period is fascinating.  As with most long & cutthroat feudal wars.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Jarhead0331 on October 22, 2015, 05:03:22 PM
It is really quite good. The management of your properties as well as your officers is excellent and I wish the system would be used for a western European game. I couldn't care less about Japanese history but I find myself very much involved in this game and caring about where my officers go and who they marry. The use of a good officer to covertly kure an enemy officer away or convince him to not march on me in war is very satisfying. It's just a well-done game

Well Crusader Kings may fit the bill.  But Nobunaga is more enjoyable for me.  Right amount of details on the right places.  And we get to see results more quickly than CK2.
The diplomacy kinda works well too despite it's simplicity.


I really wish Paradox would've given Sengoku the full CK2 treatment, with all the character and event goodies. 

Unlike Mike, I think the Sengoku period is fascinating.  As with most long & cutthroat feudal wars.

Same request with the paradox Rome game.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Skoop on October 22, 2015, 07:09:50 PM
So from the sound of it, the strategy game seems great.  How involved are the tactical battles ?  It seems more hands off than total war, can you control your character like an fps ?  I'll probably get this since you guys are pretty into it.  I'm not into feudal japan, but I'm into unique gameplay...so this may be worth while.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on October 22, 2015, 08:27:07 PM
So from the sound of it, the strategy game seems great.  How involved are the tactical battles ?  It seems more hands off than total war, can you control your character like an fps ?  I'll probably get this since you guys pretty into it.  I'm not into feudal japan, but I'm into unique gameplay...so this may be worth while.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on October 22, 2015, 08:44:25 PM
In a nutshell...

Its a strategy game.  You get blocks of units led by our generals.   Then you move those blocks to engage the enemy blocks.   You can order either to keep standoff distance and shoot missile weapons or engage melee. Each general can trigger their special  abilities to improve combat performance of friendly and enemy units etc. So selecting who to send to battle and abilities count. And generals equipped with guns and horses can use special musket volley and cavalry charge actions respectively.    The thing is, when you get simultaneous battles across the strategic map, you can only direct one battle as all of the other battles are resolved in real time.  Sometimes, I just let the battle resolve itself.

Keys to winning a battle.
1) bringing the right generals with the right abilities.
2) timing on when you use the abilities.
3) maneuvering and flaking
4) eliminating the enemy main commander's unit (even if you are out numbered, getting rid of the main commander wins the day).
5) strength in numbers (this allows you to make mistakes in the first four points and still end up the victor)

Emphasis on point 4: works on you as well. Don't lose your main commander's unit.  Quite embarrassing to lose a battle generally going your way with many strong units when your main commander suddenly retreats because he was at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Mikeck's scheming strategy works well too. Best to increase discontent of enemy generals before a campaign so that you can ask them to stand back when you finally launch your campaign.  As with everything else, the AI will do it on your generals too.  This is a very common occurrence in the Sengoku era.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on October 23, 2015, 01:54:30 PM

Quote from: Nef
I really wish Paradox would've given Sengoku the full CK2 treatment, with all the character and event goodies. 

Unlike Mike, I think the Sengoku period is fascinating.  As with most long & cutthroat feudal wars.

Same request with the paradox Rome game.

Definitely!

I had hoped their big announcement was going to be a new EU Rome of that nature, but it ended up being the new HOI.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: mikeck on October 23, 2015, 02:44:13 PM
I find the AI is quite good. It's not that it is crafty or anything...just that is acts reasonably and appropriately. Neighboring lords raise their armies when you raise yours even if you're not at war...just in case. Weaker nations in your line of conquest will ask about becoming vassals no matter how much they dispose you rather than fight a useless fight. Enemies will  Target your officers for covert action things like that
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: AchillesLastStand on November 04, 2015, 10:41:56 AM
Nobunaga’s Ambition: Sphere of Influence getting a free Steam weekend...........
Koei Tecmo Europe has announced that the Japanese grand strategy game Nobunaga’s Ambition: Sphere of Influence will be free on Steam this upcoming weekend, from 6pm GMT on Thursday, November 5 through to 9pm GMT on Sunday, November 8.

http://www.gamewatcher.com/news/2015-04-11-nobunaga-s-ambition-sphere-of-influence-getting-a-free-steam-weekend
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: amandachen on November 05, 2015, 03:57:38 PM
Great. Been wanting to try this out.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on April 17, 2016, 11:38:38 PM

Holy Moly!  Being big has it's downsides. 

When one of my vassals decided to join my clan in the East, the Date clan probably was threatened and formed a coalition.

Several clans attacked me simultaneously with targets from all sides of my empire.  The powerful members are Date, Matsudaira and Nagao. Literally hundreds of thousands of soldiers marched to battle for several months. I survived and did not lose a single castle.  I even captured one myself.  But I was at the edge of my seat all the while.  Keeping friends near the Anti-Takeda coalition members helps.  I was able to call some of them to backstab and foil coalition attacks. Trusty Hojo is again one of them.  I must make more friends to deal with this coalition if they decide to attack again in the future.

Finally got to play again since work on Sengoku Jidai is wrapping up.

After three years, the Anti-Takeda alliance dissolves.  In the east, I sent my autonomous region on the attack against the two Date clans and one of them is nearing its end. I think I captured 2 castles in the process. I was able to bring in two coalition members to my side via marriage which did most of the work against the Date.

There was a massive battle in Nagashino 50k vs 40k. Of course it did not end in disaster like in history.  I called for help from my long time ally Hojo to ensure victory against Matsudaira. I captured Nagashino castle in the process.

(http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/271715193886149915/EFBBBA4C0178B0A38A7CFBAA8BC863487A93D467/)

And I was able to eliminate the Nagao clan. Nagao Kagetora (the future Uesugi Kenshin) is the most fearsome general I have seen. He and some of his generals can defeat isolated armies even when outnumbered. I made sure I brought in a lot of troops to finish him once and for all. Though I have not seen the fate of Nagao Kagetora.  He wasn't captured by my side or maybe I released him by mistake. If he ends up joining another clan, then he'll continue to be a thorn by my side.

Who wants a full blown AAR so that we can see this to the end?
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: chemkid on April 18, 2016, 02:25:29 AM
...SNIP!...
Who wants a full blown AAR so that we can see this to the end?
please do! really like to read up on this, thanks in advance!  O0

cheers!
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Jarhead0331 on April 18, 2016, 05:44:17 AM
So what's the better game, Jomni? This, or sengoku Jidai?  :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on April 18, 2016, 06:30:23 AM
So what's the better game, Jomni? This, or sengoku Jidai?  :coolsmiley:

Totally different.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Anguille on April 18, 2016, 06:45:15 AM
Would love an AAR on this game... O0
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: sandman2575 on April 18, 2016, 08:05:06 AM
...SNIP!...
Who wants a full blown AAR so that we can see this to the end?
please do! really like to read up on this, thanks in advance!  O0

cheers!

+1  --  a Nobunaga's Ambition AAR would be most welcome.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: JasonPratt on April 18, 2016, 09:36:25 AM
AAR! AAR! Does whatever an AAR does!  O0
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on April 18, 2016, 11:11:30 AM
I'm always interested in seeing snapshots of grand strategy campaigns.


Been waffling about which grand strategy campaign I want to start up, or continue, next. 

Between CK2, Nobunaga's Ambition, TW Attila/Rome2/Shogun2, M2TW, Endless Legend, Alea Jacta Est and Age Of Wonders 3, the indecision has me. 

I'd also have EU4 on there but since a new expansion and feature update just came out, that thing will be a bit of a mess for awhile until patched & tweaked.  Seeing some extra complaints about new "features" (aka punishment) in it, so no hurry.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Gusington on April 19, 2016, 05:44:19 PM
You want to play Shogun 2 since Sengoku Jidai is not out yet.

But going old school and playing the M2TW Teutonic Campaign sounds pretty satisfying right now.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on April 19, 2016, 07:32:12 PM
Slitherine asked me to do an AAR of Sengoku Jidai Campaign.
Nobunaga will be put in hold.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Boggit on April 19, 2016, 08:01:22 PM
Slitherine asked me to do an AAR of Sengoku Jidai Campaign.
Nobunaga will be put in hold.
I am looking forward to it. O0
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on April 20, 2016, 08:45:53 AM
You want to play Shogun 2 since Sengoku Jidai is not out yet.

But going old school and playing the M2TW Teutonic Campaign sounds pretty satisfying right now.

So scattered, I began an M2TW Stainless Steel campaign as Norman Sicily.

Also began another new TWS2 campaign as Mori, but it has been so long since I enjoyed M2 with the Stainless Steel mod, that may be going on hold. 

Which also makes me want to see how far I can get in a new CK2 campaign.  Despite how utterly indecisive I am in actually picking which noble I want to play.  I often click around the map looking for the ideal one for a long stretch, then don't have enough time to get deep into it!   :idiot2: 

Perhaps I should just stick with the same for both and choose the (in)famous Roger in the 1066 scenario..
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: W8taminute on June 10, 2016, 05:00:56 PM
So what's the better game, Jomni? This, or sengoku Jidai?  :coolsmiley:

Depends on what you're looking for as these two titles are quite different from each other.  The former is more of an empire management game with some hands on battle participation whilst the latter seems to me to be a series of scripted battles connected to each other where the player has lots of hands on tactical control over units but not managing an empire.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: mikeck on June 10, 2016, 07:23:44 PM
Console only?

Shamefur Dispray!  :(

I read it that its Sony consoles, AND steam (for PC)
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on June 10, 2016, 10:51:49 PM
Console only?

Shamefur Dispray!  :(

I read it that its Sony consoles, AND steam (for PC)


Maybe so... but will the Steam PC version actually be in English?

IIRC, they've released some stuff on there, in the past, which was only in Japanese.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: mikeck on June 11, 2016, 06:26:50 PM
Edit: post fail
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on June 11, 2016, 06:50:24 PM
Mike..  I think all those quotes got mixed.  :))


As for Console-to-PC ports, I don't like the vast majority of them either.  But the very few Koei strategy game ports, such as Nobunaga's Ambition, have been good.   

They're not as simplistic/casual as many of the console and tablet strategy games, and the UI isn't a big headache either. 
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on June 11, 2016, 07:27:24 PM
Even the console RTK and Nobunaga's Ambition aren't really simple.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: mikeck on June 11, 2016, 08:00:30 PM
No, I like nobungas ambition. Just not a whole lot of console ports/originals that I like is all
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on June 25, 2016, 05:14:30 PM
Nobunaga is 50% off if anyone wants in.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Gusington on June 25, 2016, 05:43:48 PM
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on August 05, 2016, 07:17:11 AM
http://www.koeitecmoeurope.com/ascension/outline.html

Ascencion... You will be able to play as a lower ranking lord serving your daimyo and work through the ranks.  Sieges and battles at a smaller scale.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on August 05, 2016, 12:26:12 PM
http://www.koeitecmoeurope.com/ascension/outline.html

Ascencion... You will be able to play as a lower ranking lord serving your daimyo and work through the ranks.  Sieges and battles at a smaller scale.

Is this stand alone or DLC?  Any word on a release date or price?
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on August 05, 2016, 05:51:22 PM
Not sure. Maybe a stand-alone with added features.
English release is October. Price is usually steep for Koei games.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: AndyBrown on August 06, 2016, 04:06:17 PM
It looks like the english tx of Sengoku Risshiden, in which case it's stand-alone.

Andy
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Grim.Reaper on August 07, 2016, 03:45:37 AM
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/08/07/nobunagas-ambition-sphere-of-influence-ascension-coming-westward/

Article confirms stand alone and a few other details
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on October 19, 2016, 07:14:51 AM
Coming out next week.  So many games.
http://www.koeitecmoeurope.com/ascension/
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Martok on October 19, 2016, 01:28:28 PM
Coming out next week.  So many games.
http://www.koeitecmoeurope.com/ascension/

Oh god.  They've added an RPG mode ("Officer's Play").  My kryptonite. 







And I see they've added naval battles, including ironclads.  That's Gus' kryptonite. 

Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on October 19, 2016, 07:11:48 PM
Yup so many games to choose from. Buy them all but no time to play.  Maybe not buy anything at all and stick with what I have for now.  Wait for a sale.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Gusington on October 19, 2016, 07:43:39 PM
I am pretending not to hear you or to have read the above.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on October 19, 2016, 08:24:20 PM
I am pretending not to hear you or to have read the above.

Are you talking to me?   ;D
Help me get back into DCS and I won't buy no more games. Lol.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Martok on October 20, 2016, 01:20:20 PM
I am pretending not to hear you or to have read the above.

You and I are both going to end up getting this one, my friend.  There is no fighting it. 

Of course, there's no law that says we have to get it immediately.  We can always wait for a sale...  :D 

Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Gusington on October 20, 2016, 03:58:34 PM
No Martok. But it can apply to you as well.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: undercovergeek on October 26, 2016, 05:04:01 AM
It's oot

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/10/25/nobunagas-ambition-sphere-of-influence-ascension-english-translation-released/
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Martok on October 26, 2016, 01:47:44 PM
I must be strong.  (Its relatively high price helps...some.) 
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on October 26, 2016, 03:44:00 PM
It's oot

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/10/25/nobunagas-ambition-sphere-of-influence-ascension-english-translation-released/


You from up north, eh?
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: undercovergeek on October 26, 2016, 03:58:40 PM
It was a nod to JD who I thought would buy it first!
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on October 26, 2016, 04:47:37 PM
It was a nod to JD who I thought would buy it first!


Your ruse is up, now!

No worries.  He'll probably still buy it anyway, and be our guinea pig.   :)
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Slick Wilhelm on October 26, 2016, 05:22:06 PM
It's oot

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/10/25/nobunagas-ambition-sphere-of-influence-ascension-english-translation-released/


You from up north, eh?

Nefaro, you are obviously from the South. If you had been a real northerner, you would have known to leave off the "h" and say "So you're from up nort, eh?"   ;)
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on October 26, 2016, 05:30:30 PM
It's oot

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/10/25/nobunagas-ambition-sphere-of-influence-ascension-english-translation-released/


You from up north, eh?

Nefaro, you are obviously from the South. If you had been a real northerner, you would have known to leave off the "h" and say "So you're from up nort, eh?"   ;)


Close enough.

 ;D
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Gusington on October 26, 2016, 06:50:18 PM
I am afraid of this game.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Martok on October 27, 2016, 12:43:50 PM
I am afraid of this game.

Hold me. 

Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Gusington on October 27, 2016, 06:45:20 PM
I thought you'd never ask. You didn't buy it yet did you??
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: mirth on October 27, 2016, 06:49:07 PM
I have to admit this one is tempting.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Gusington on October 27, 2016, 07:05:31 PM
Thank you. What about the game?  :2funny:
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on October 27, 2016, 07:07:38 PM
I'm resisting. I was able to hold out to BF1 and Civ 6.   I'm just playing DCS and Tiger Knight lately.
Though part of it is because I have a big ticket purchase (digital camera) planned for next month or in December.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: JasonPratt on October 27, 2016, 07:48:03 PM
It's free to play this weekend.

Just saying.  :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on October 27, 2016, 07:59:16 PM
It's free to play this weekend.

Just saying.  :coolsmiley:

Woot!
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Gusington on October 27, 2016, 08:07:20 PM
^Me too for BF1 and Civ VI. Stay strong.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on October 28, 2016, 04:32:24 PM
I still haven't done enough with the previous Nobunaga's release.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Martok on October 28, 2016, 05:53:31 PM
I thought you'd never ask. You didn't buy it yet did you??

Not yet, no.  Even with the 20% off promotion, the game's relatively high price point (combined with the series' mixed reaction) is enough to stay my hand for the moment.  (Not to mention which I'm sufficiently busy/enthralled with Stellaris and Warhammer TW to not want to play much else right now anyway.) 

That being said... 



It's free to play this weekend.

Just saying.  :coolsmiley:

I hate you, Jason.  :P 

Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: tgb on October 28, 2016, 06:18:43 PM
I still haven't done enough with the previous Nobunaga's release.

Neither have I.  I just bounced right off it for some reason.  Same with RotTK XIII.

I should really go back to both one day.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Nefaro on October 29, 2016, 01:48:08 PM
I still haven't done enough with the previous Nobunaga's release.

Neither have I.  I just bounced right off it for some reason.  Same with RotTK XIII.

I should really go back to both one day.


I had actually put a number of hours into my Mori campaign, and was enjoying it.

But some other new 'shiny' caught my attention, as so often happens, and my concentration was scattered to the winds.


Lieutenant Manager 2015.   :))
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: jomni on October 29, 2016, 06:02:00 PM
"Lieutenant Manager" indeed.

This game has all the elements of the old while adding a new layer?  If so then the old one is redundant / obsolete.

This one gets more negative ratings in Steam than the original for some reason.  The original was overwhelmingly positive.  But no one made a serious review on justifying the negative rating. In the forums some are talking about the price.  Should have been an expansion rather than stand-alone. Cheaper for owners of Sphere of Influence.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: JasonPratt on October 30, 2016, 09:55:51 AM
Yeah, I doubt I'll rebuy at full price, so no time soon, but Koei has made tons of money releasing full priced standalone upgrades of their various product lines, so I can't argue that the strategy isn't successful!

I played one campaign of the original (to the bitter, bitter end), but haven't gone back with other new and old shiny things to distract me.
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: AndyBrown on October 31, 2016, 03:40:11 AM
This one gets more negative ratings in Steam than the original for some reason.  The original was overwhelmingly positive.  But no one made a serious review on justifying the negative rating. In the forums some are talking about the price.  Should have been an expansion rather than stand-alone. Cheaper for owners of Sphere of Influence.

I understand that most of the negative ratings come from the earlier Japanese and Chinese releases which apparently contained some show-stopping bugs (long since fixed).

A "retainer" subgame has been added whereby, in addition to doing all the stuff you used to do in SoI, you now also have to grow and administer your own, personal domain.  This is a completely separate sub-game from unifying the country.  You can choose only to play as a retainer or lesser clan official, in which case you contribute to your AI controlled Daimyo's victory in proportion to your personal success.  If you decide to accept the various promotions, you will eventually end up running your own clan as per SoI (while still having to manage your personal domain, I think).

The tactical battles have been considerably improved.  Maps are more immersive, sieges are now fought out in the tactical sub-game, naval battles have been added, there are some new, formation mechanics.

I haven't spent much time with it but I don't regret paying the asking price for Ascension.  It is such a big step forward over SoI that calling it merely an expansion and bitching about the price is, IMO, unjustified and small-minded. YMMV of course.

Andy Brown

Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Grim.Reaper on February 02, 2019, 07:01:32 AM
Blast from the past:)

Cheapest I have ever seen this before, actually likely going to jump at it finally:)  $23.99

https://www.direct2drive.com/#!/download-nobunagas-ambition-sphere-of-influence/5012401

Other Koei titles (including Ascension version of this game) in same price range....
https://www.direct2drive.com/#!/pc/onsale?price=1
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: mikeck on February 02, 2019, 08:39:11 AM
I loved the game; particularly the roles generals played. Assigning them to complete various tasks isn’t unique, but trying to convince those in other clans to defect or even scumbag their own clan is. Working on an enemy general and convincing them to turn their army around when yours comes marching and then marrying him into your family as promised is pretty cool
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: Grim.Reaper on February 03, 2019, 01:45:31 AM
Well, looks like it wasn't meant to be.....Direct2Drive only accepts PayPal payments, which I actually prefer using.  But their system keeps saying my PayPal account is "not verified", which is not correct according to my account and I have made thousands of purchases using it without any issue.  They don't list any other direct ways to make purchases such as credit cards.

Oh well, these companies make it hard for me to try and give them money...their lost:)
Title: Re: Sneaky Release of Nobunaga's Ambition
Post by: CJReich46 on February 10, 2019, 08:52:40 PM
I kept watching Baz Battles about the Sengoku Jidai,

and then started thinking about this game...so I got it.  :buck2: