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Title: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 14, 2016, 01:39:49 PM
So I'm upgrading the family entertainment center/room and am leaning toward replacing the PS3.  I'm looking at the PS4.

I've really been just enjoying sitting in the lazy boy and playing Batman Arkham Asylum and NCAA 08 on the big TV screen.  Anyway I did a quick trade value for my PS3 system on gamestop and it looks like I can get over $100 for the system and games to put toward a new console.

Wii U - Kids want this because of Mario Cart and Mario World.  I hate the controller with a passion.  It's absurdly large and beyond Mario I think the game selection isn't too good.

Xbox One vs. PS4?  I'm leaning toward the PS4.  I really like my PS3.  I cannot think of any exclusive titles that drive me one way or another with the exception of MLB The Show.  Any reason why the Xbox One is better?  Gameplay, potential longevity of the system?

Also I'm looking at a games that capture the Mario feel without it being a Wii U exclusive.  The Disney Infinity system looks great and I played the Star Wars demo and it actually kicked ass.  I've also looked at Lego Dimensions.  Any other titles for either system that capture the Mario Cart and World feel?

Finally has anyone traded in an old system with gamestop?  Do they honor the online quotes?

Thanks Gents.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: OJsDad on January 14, 2016, 01:46:35 PM
Bison, we just got an XBoxOne for Christmas.  One of the game we got with it was Disney Infinity.  The my daughter (15) really loves.  My son (12) likes, but not as much as the used copy of A Need for Speed or Minecraft that we got. 

Of course, he's now trying to take over my PC so he can play 7 Days to Die. 
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 14, 2016, 01:54:42 PM
If you have a PS 3 and are happy with it, you should probably go with a PS4. I just got an Xbox One, but it was mainly because I have a 360 (and an original Xbox that still runs like a champ). I mainly went with the XB1 for backward compatibility with my 360 library and I've generally been happy with every generation of Xbox I've owned.

I've been looking at Disney Infinity for my own kids. Not sure if I'll buy, they're pretty happy playing any of the Lego games and we have a pile of those now.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: OJsDad on January 14, 2016, 01:56:45 PM
Bison, I agree with Mirth.  If your happy with PS then stick with it.

One cook think with Xbox1, if you have Win10, you can connect to the Xbox from it and watch what is going on.  I think there is some other functionality too, but haven't played with it too much yet. 
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 14, 2016, 02:01:49 PM
I haven't done it (I don't have Win 10 and I don't want it) but you can stream games from the Xbox One and actually play them on your Win 10 machine - https://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-on-windows/gaming-on-windows/how-to-use-game-streaming

Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: DoctorQuest on January 14, 2016, 02:02:13 PM
My son has seen them all and ended up sticking with the PS. He sort of regrets not having an X-Box for the new Halo but life's a bitch, right?

I had a Wii just for Netfix for a while and I agree on the controller comments. I just did not like it.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 14, 2016, 02:03:26 PM
Well that's interesting about the streaming. 
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 14, 2016, 02:05:41 PM
Well that's interesting about the streaming. 

It's a cool feature, even though I'll probably never get to use it.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: JasonPratt on January 14, 2016, 02:30:23 PM
There are TONS of good PS3 titles (including most of the other Arkham games), so unless you've played them all already I would kind of recommend against dumping it for the trade. Maybe trade off games you're sure you'll never play again.

I don't have a new console yet, but I effectively chose to opt out of the new console generation and re-invest with a new PC. I haven't regretted that choice yet, but neither can I offer further advice beyond "don't dump the PS3".

Besides, Mariokart? Dude. You have a PS3. Find the Motorstorm games, and/or the Burnout games. Your kids will miss nothing, and will be able to DESTROY their friends with elite arcade racing skilz.

A platformer like Marioworld... uh. Yeah that's admittedly harder. Possibly more of those on the PC nowadays than on PS3 (or PS4). Maybe the Ratchet and Clank series? I feel like Skyrim is the answer to everything, but that's about my level of "platforming". ;)
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 14, 2016, 02:35:19 PM
I will say this about upgrading, at least in regards to the Xbox One. It is graphically far superior to the 360. I own Dragon Age Inquisition for both systems and it's just stunning on the Xbox One. I spend a far amount of time just looking around at the scenery.

I'm guessing it's a similar experience moving from the PS3 to PS4.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: OJsDad on January 14, 2016, 02:35:36 PM
I haven't done it (I don't have Win 10 and I don't want it) but you can stream games from the Xbox One and actually play them on your Win 10 machine - https://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-on-windows/gaming-on-windows/how-to-use-game-streaming

The one time I tried it, J was playing Minecraft and the link said I needed a controller connected to my PC.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 14, 2016, 02:36:17 PM
Getting rid of the PS3 is a precondition to getting a new system.  The wife would kill me with "The Look" for the next several months, especially since we are doing a bunch of spring cleaning and purging of old, unused stuff.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 14, 2016, 02:38:01 PM
Getting rid of the PS3 is a precondition to getting a new system.  The wife would kill me with "The Look" for the next several months, especially since we are doing a bunch of spring cleaning and purging of old, unused stuff.

I'm moving the original Xbox into the kids room. I no longer have cabinet space in the living room for all of the consoles. Did I mention there's a Game Cube too? :P
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: OJsDad on January 14, 2016, 02:39:16 PM
Getting rid of the PS3 is a precondition to getting a new system.  The wife would kill me with "The Look" for the next several months, especially since we are doing a bunch of spring cleaning and purging of old, unused stuff.

Yea, wouldn't want you to get 'purged' with all of that 'old and unused stuff'    :2funny:
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 14, 2016, 02:40:58 PM
Hehe.  The lazy boy is a comfortable place to sleep.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: undercovergeek on January 14, 2016, 02:49:27 PM
whilst disney infinity with my 8 year old is a blast in sandbox mode, she loves building worlds that make no sense to me at all, youre going to get hammered on the characters - every week - everytime you go shopping - everytime you pass the aisle - everytime you enter the supermarket
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 14, 2016, 02:52:54 PM
whilst disney infinity with my 8 year old is a blast in sandbox mode, she loves building worlds that make no sense to me at all, youre going to get hammered on the characters - every week - everytime you go shopping - everytime you pass the aisle - everytime you enter the supermarket

Heh. That's one of the reasons I've stayed away from it so far. I could sense what kind of money pit it would become.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: undercovergeek on January 14, 2016, 02:55:55 PM
there are 16 sat on the shelf next to me - that took 3 months i think
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 14, 2016, 02:59:18 PM
What system are you playing it on?  I looked at them today and they do have a cost, but I think the toy box is a good imagination builder without the complexity of something like minecraft.  And compared to Legos Dimensions it's a bargain.  Holy crap is that pricy, but man do the let's play videos on youtube look awesome.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: OJsDad on January 14, 2016, 03:02:07 PM
The characters vary in price.  O just got Minnie Mouse for about $14.  I saw Nick Fury for $10.  Also, we saw some at GameStop used.  Elsa was $13, so only a $1 savings. 
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: undercovergeek on January 14, 2016, 03:09:27 PM
What system are you playing it on?  I looked at them today and they do have a cost, but I think the toy box is a good imagination builder without the complexity of something like minecraft.  And compared to Legos Dimensions it's a bargain.  Holy crap is that pricy, but man do the let's play videos on youtube look awesome.

im on ps3 and playing DI2, but even 3 will work on a PS3, but shes not that into star wars - average price here is about 15, if anything some of the hulk and spiderman stuff got her into the films abit
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 14, 2016, 03:29:38 PM
I'd actually just consider staying with the PS3 longer but it's only an 80 GB system, which poses problems.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: OJsDad on January 14, 2016, 06:53:54 PM
I was just at GameStop tonight and they had Disney Infinity 3.0 for $50. 
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 14, 2016, 07:06:05 PM
The deal has been set.  I'm good to go on getting an upgraded console.   Of course, I have some work to do to rearrange furniture and set up a craft/sewing area for the wife.  Not a bad trade off if you ask me.

I'm pretty sure I'll just go with the PS4, but I'm going to take the kids to BestBuy and Gamestop to let them play with the controllers and see which is better for them.   I'm thinking PS4 again just because the controllers are smaller, but we'll see.

I saw the same deal at Walmart, but I'll have to get the speedway expansion and some girl characters for the toy box portion if I decide to go with Disney Infinity over Lego Dimensions.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 14, 2016, 07:28:54 PM
You really can't go wrong either way. Enjoy  O0
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: MetalDog on January 14, 2016, 07:56:32 PM
Congrats on the PS4.  Until my oldest bought me a 360 for Christmas six or so years ago, I always owned Playstations.  I miss my PS2 more than I miss the ex-wife who took it with her ;)
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Jarhead0331 on January 15, 2016, 08:04:10 AM
I have them all. I've got the PS3, PS4, Xbox 360, Xbox One, Wii and most recently the Wii U. Although I have all the systems connected, but for the Wii, I only play the next gen consoles presently.

Speaking strictly in terms of hardware, the PS4 is the most powerful, capable system. I also much prefer the PS interface/UI over the Xbox One. Microsoft recently redid the UI on the Xbone and I absolutely hate it. It is so much easier to find what you are looking for on the PS4. Furthermore, the Xbox is much more of a social media device, as opposed to a console for playing games and/or watching movies/listening to music. I feel that the PS4 is much more streamlined and I appreciate that.

That being said, there are games on Xbox that are exclusive, that in my opinion are must haves...Anything Halo, Gears of War, etc. Although PS4 has some nice exclusives too, I can't think of any off the top of my head that I just couldn't live without.

As for the Wii U, I picked it up for two reasons...one, the new game Xenoblade. Two, to slowly get my 2.5 year old daughter into gaming. The huge controller takes some getting used to, but I really like it now. Also, they do make a pro controller that is much more similar to the standard xbox/PS controllers. Xenoblade aside, though, I am hard pressed to find anything on the Wii U that I would actually want to play, and certainly, if its cross-platform, Wii U is the last system I would buy for.

So in my opinion, for a serious adult gamer, it comes down to either the PS4 or the Xbox One. Between those two, it then boils down to what kind of games you want to play, and what kind of experience you are looking for. For me, the PS4 wins out, but for others, the Xbox is the way to go. Either way, I think you'll be satisfied. They are both good systems that offer a lot.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: BanzaiCat on January 15, 2016, 08:16:58 AM
I always thought I'd lean towards the Xbox, but I admit, my son's PS4 is pretty sleek. My father-in-law bought one and has a ton of games for it, so my kids and niece and nephew spent most of Christmas break sequestered in his bedroom playing all the games. ALL of them.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Barthheart on January 15, 2016, 08:21:35 AM
Does the PS4 have an online system?

One of the main reason me and my gaming group have Xboxes is because of Xbox live. We're spread out all over the province now and it's an easy way we can get together for some hack and slash gaming once a month. It costs me $70 CDN a year for that service and worth every penny. Also lets me play World of Tanks on my big screen....  :)

Haven't graduated to the Xbone yet..... need to save up on money and Wife points.....
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: BanzaiCat on January 15, 2016, 08:32:21 AM
There is an online PS4 component though I know fuck all about how it works. All I know is my mother in law bought my son a one year subscription to it for fifty bucks. He had to have online connectivity to play Elder Scrolls Online, which kind of sucks but I guess that's the nature of the consoles these days.

My Xbox 360 doesn't have connectivity...I needed some adapter that at the time cost $150 so I pretty much was 'nope' and just did without. I only played it about four times in four years before I gave it to my son, whom played it one time (that I know of anyway). It's sat in his room for two years at least without being powered on. I think I'm going to go sell it at Gamestop for a few bucks.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Hiimori on January 15, 2016, 09:09:39 AM
Does the PS4 have an online system?

One of the main reason me and my gaming group have Xboxes is because of Xbox live. We're spread out all over the province now and it's an easy way we can get together for some hack and slash gaming once a month. It costs me $70 CDN a year for that service and worth every penny. Also lets me play World of Tanks on my big screen....  :)

PS4 has an online system called PSN (Playstation Network), it is similar to XBox Live. You can play with your friends, team up in parties and communicate via voice chat and PM. We currently play Destiny Taken King, Battlefield 4 and CoD Black Ops III online. You pay a membership fee and become a "Playstation Plus" member, which includes 2 free games for PS4 each month (+2 for PS3 and+2 for PS Vita, if you own one of those).

We (I and Grimnirsson) recently switched from XBox 360 to PS4 together (thanks to the Black Friday amazon sale) and didn't regret it for a moment. I really liked the XBox 360, but the PS4 had more attractive games than the XBox One, so we commonly decided to switch platforms with the new generation and give the Playstation a try. It was the first time for Grimnirsson, but I already owned a PS1 and we had a lively console career including the Sega Mega Drive, Nintendo 64, Sega Dreamcast (still one of the best consoles ever), Gamecube, the first XBox, Wii and Wii U - so we are always open to new experiences.

Btw. World of Tanks is coming to PS4 on January 19th!
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 15, 2016, 10:09:31 AM
That is for the feed back folks.

My gaming heart says PS4, but the father of younger kids and the husband of a hidden casual gamer says wii u for the young kid family friendly games.  I thought I was resolved to getting the PS4, but looking at the games library I see a lot of great games but very few kid games outside of Disney infinity and Lego games.  So now I'm back into waffling back and forth.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 15, 2016, 10:18:07 AM
Despair not, mon frere:

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2015/06/03/15-ps4-games-kids-fun-whole-family/#/slide/1 (http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2015/06/03/15-ps4-games-kids-fun-whole-family/#/slide/1)

http://gamespew.com/2015/11/top-10-best-ps4-games-for-kids/ (http://gamespew.com/2015/11/top-10-best-ps4-games-for-kids/)
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Hiimori on January 15, 2016, 11:08:22 AM
Wii U is also a good choice for kids. I spent the holidays with my sister's family, my nephew is 8, my niece is 11 and they own a Wii U.

The kids love the console, we played Skylanders (a horrible money making machine IMO), Disney Infinity Star Wars, Yoshi's Wooly World, Minecraft (my nephew is absolutely crazy about Minecraft), Mario Maker and, of course, Mario Kart 8 which is fun for the entire family, from the youngest to grown-ups.

What's also a bonus is the fact that the console is compatible with all Wii games (you just need the sensor bar and Wii controllers Wiimote and Nunchuk), and there is a really large library with party and children games and really great Nintendo classics like Zelda and Mario.

I also own a Wii U, currently I'm enjoying Xenoblade Chronicles X. In addition, there is Zombi U and Monster Hunter Ultimate for more experienced gamers. You definitely need a pro controller as an addition to the game pad, so that two players can play together.

In my opinion, the Wii U is a perfect second console and a great addition to a XBox One / PS4. If you are looking for a console especially for kids, Wii U certainly isn't a bad choice.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 15, 2016, 02:46:31 PM
I went to a couple of stores just to price out a system and I think I'm in sticker price shock.  I knew how much the system runs, but it the accessories and games that really start to run up the cost. 
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: OJsDad on January 15, 2016, 03:57:19 PM
Right after Christmas GameStop was running a Buy 2 Get 1 Free on used games.  It was a way to get some more games pretty cheap.

I won't let J get any M rated games, much to his disappointment.  But we've already got a collection of about 8 games.  So there are a lot available, may just have to look a little harder.  We got games like Disney Infinity, Need for Speed, Monopoly, a couple of Lego games, older version of Basketball, Farm Simulator 2015.

One other thing.  We put batteries in the Xbox controllers on Christmas morning, and haven't had to change them yet.  It seemed like the Wii controllers ate batteries as a snack at times. 
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 15, 2016, 05:43:17 PM
Are you all running off of WiFi or hard line?
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Barthheart on January 15, 2016, 07:00:42 PM
Are you all running off of WiFi or hard line?

Hard line for me. I always felt there was way too much data for Wi-Fi but maybe modern hubs can handle it...
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: OJsDad on January 15, 2016, 07:01:28 PM
I'm running WiFi.  However, my internet is DSL, and only at 1.1mb.  It's all I can get without going to a cell service.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 15, 2016, 07:08:10 PM
OK.  Well here is where I'm at with my decision making process (thank you all for hanging in there with my console quest).

I'd like to do multiplayer in a shooter for some quick fun, but I want to not be forced into a hard line just because of how the cable line is set up in the house.  It'd could be an expensive pain in the ass to run a new cable and running a free cable across the living room isn't an option with infant twins.

My understanding is that the Xbox has a faster wifi modem than the PS4, which should make online gaming better.  I'm just not sure since I play my PC hard wired.

I do like the Xbox's multimedia platform.  I don't have cable so Netflix and web based news/sports is all I use.

I think graphics wise no question PS4 has better hardware, but is it really that noticeable from 8' away? 
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: MetalDog on January 15, 2016, 07:33:48 PM
My 360 is run through the wifi.  Works like a champ.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 15, 2016, 07:34:35 PM
Just buy the PS4 for Chrissake! 😜
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 15, 2016, 07:36:38 PM
My 360 is run through the wifi.  Works like a champ.
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+1. Have always run my Xbox consoles through wifi. No problems.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 15, 2016, 10:56:03 PM
I know but now I'm leaning toward the Xbox One /la sigh/ If they had a baseball game life would be so much easier to make this decision.

I actually found several cart style racing games for the xbox one.  It literally took hours of youtube and web searching to find the games.

Beach Buggy Racing and Super Toy Cars.  It looks like they are only available through download and at least on the xbox site it comes up in pounds.  So maybe they are only available in England?
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Hiimori on January 16, 2016, 01:15:51 AM
I'm running both the PS4 and the Wii U through the Wifi (I have DSL 16000).

Online shooters on PS4 (Battlefield, Destiny, Call of Duty) run smoothly. I don't think the Wifi adapter is inferior to the XBox One Wifi adapter, playing online via Wifi works fine for me.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: OJsDad on January 16, 2016, 07:52:09 AM
Bison, if you go here, you can see all of the games you can get for Xbox.  I know Wii has the same thing.  Might make it easier to search for games.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/xbox-one?xr=shellnav
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Jarhead0331 on January 16, 2016, 08:13:29 AM
Does the PS4 have an online system?

One of the main reason me and my gaming group have Xboxes is because of Xbox live. We're spread out all over the province now and it's an easy way we can get together for some hack and slash gaming once a month. It costs me $70 CDN a year for that service and worth every penny. Also lets me play World of Tanks on my big screen....  :)

Haven't graduated to the Xbone yet..... need to save up on money and Wife points.....

Of course it does. It's called PSN, or PlayStation Network, and in my opinion it's much better than Xbox live.

Most of its features are free, but you can join PSN+ and get some extra goodies, like free games, for a monthly fee.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: JasonPratt on January 16, 2016, 08:31:03 AM
Just to muddy the waters, I despise the format the PSN was revised to a few years ago. Searching through my purchases is the poop on that particular cake, though -- I could handle the other changes, but last time I checked (admittedly several months ago) such a 'search' is limited to scrolling down in reverse purchase order through a list.


Searching for games, I rather like Gamefaqs.com. It lists even games from Japan unavailable in the US, and games that never came to exist!  >:D Lots of sort options, and they include a review-score compilation with links to the reviews (where on line).


One could meanwhile, for console upgrade purposes (since unless you're going WiiU and have Wii games already, you won't have backward compatibility worth anything), consider an NVidia Gameshield or a Steambox. My impression is that they convert PC gaming to a console-ish experience.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Jarhead0331 on January 16, 2016, 08:53:36 AM
Just to muddy the waters, I despise the format the PSN was revised to a few years ago. Searching through my purchases is the poop on that particular cake, though -- I could handle the other changes, but last time I checked (admittedly several months ago) such a 'search' is limited to scrolling down in reverse purchase order through a list.


Searching for games, I rather like Gamefaqs.com. It lists even games from Japan unavailable in the US, and games that never came to exist!  >:D Lots of sort options, and they include a review-score compilation with links to the reviews (where on line).


One could meanwhile, for console upgrade purposes (since unless you're going WiiU and have Wii games already, you won't have backward compatibility worth anything), consider an NVidia Gameshield or a Steambox. My impression is that they convert PC gaming to a console-ish experience.

Just to muddy the waters further. I feel exactly the opposite. I far prefer the UI of the PSN than the xboxone. I despise the new Microsoft live format. PSN is sleeker, cleaner and much easier to navigate.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Grimnirsson on January 16, 2016, 11:46:40 AM
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Most of its features are free, but you can join PSN+ and get some extra goodies, like free games, for a monthly fee.

Well, fact is you do need XBL and PS+ to play games online, so that's exactly the same on both the XO and the PS4. Only Nintendo Online is completely free.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 17, 2016, 12:18:14 AM
I was soooooooooo close to walking out of BestBuy with a console today and then I froze...why?  I'm not sure I starting thinking about exclusives, baseball, and the controllers.  To top it off I stopped by 3 damned stores today to try and play some demos on the xbox and ps4 with the kids.  I want to see how they handle the controllers, but the demos were not working for either system in any store.  The BestBuy guy told me how the BestBuy contracts out the damned floor demo stations and they need to call in a work order for the contractor to get the demo working again, which can take two week to happen.  What?  It's freaking BestBuy.  You telling me with all of the electronics geeks working in the store they couldn't, I don't know, maintain their own damned store demo consoles?  For pete's sake any damned 10 year old who walks in the store could hook up a damn xbox or ps4 to a tv in 10 minutes and have it running.  Unbelievable is all I can say on that front.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 17, 2016, 03:59:18 AM
I was soooooooooo close to walking out of BestBuy with a console today and then I froze...why?  I'm not sure I starting thinking about exclusives, baseball, and the controllers.  To top it off I stopped by 3 damned stores today to try and play some demos on the xbox and ps4 with the kids.  I want to see how they handle the controllers, but the demos were not working for either system in any store.  The BestBuy guy told me how the BestBuy contracts out the damned floor demo stations and they need to call in a work order for the contractor to get the demo working again, which can take two week to happen.  What?  It's freaking BestBuy.  You telling me with all of the electronics geeks working in the store they couldn't, I don't know, maintain their own damned store demo consoles?  For pete's sake any damned 10 year old who walks in the store could hook up a damn xbox or ps4 to a tv in 10 minutes and have it running.  Unbelievable is all I can say on that front.

Dear Lord, I'm close to buying you an Xbox One and sending it to you!
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 17, 2016, 07:21:35 AM
I'll take the Elite Bundle (1TB) with an additional controller.  :P
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Jarhead0331 on January 17, 2016, 09:58:29 AM
I was soooooooooo close to walking out of BestBuy with a console today and then I froze...why?  I'm not sure I starting thinking about exclusives, baseball, and the controllers.  To top it off I stopped by 3 damned stores today to try and play some demos on the xbox and ps4 with the kids.  I want to see how they handle the controllers, but the demos were not working for either system in any store.  The BestBuy guy told me how the BestBuy contracts out the damned floor demo stations and they need to call in a work order for the contractor to get the demo working again, which can take two week to happen.  What?  It's freaking BestBuy.  You telling me with all of the electronics geeks working in the store they couldn't, I don't know, maintain their own damned store demo consoles?  For pete's sake any damned 10 year old who walks in the store could hook up a damn xbox or ps4 to a tv in 10 minutes and have it running.  Unbelievable is all I can say on that front.

Sounds suspiciously like a government operation.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 17, 2016, 09:59:15 AM
I had the same thought myself actually.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 18, 2016, 11:20:37 AM
Apparently couch co-op is becoming a thing of the past.  In my obession research to decide between the Xbone and PS4, I looked up games that have couch co-op.  Basically I was looking for games that a. played co-op, and b. used split screen in particular I was looking at racing games and lego-like games.  Of all of the current popular racing games only one had co-op split screen Forza 6.  It looks like the lego games are co-op and split screen now, unlike the previous versions but it also seems that Lego dimensions is stealing some of the resources from the old school lego games.  No point here other than I don't get it.  Consoles are, at least I thought, a social activity with friends in the same room.  However now it seems that everything is solo, local gaming, or multiplayer online.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Grimnirsson on January 18, 2016, 11:56:42 AM
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Apparently couch co-op is becoming a thing of the past.

That's a correct observation and sadly true. Hiimori and I used to play couch coop/splitscreen MP as long as we played on consoles and we began to realize that this is often kicked as a feature in many games. Still, it seems there's a trend maybe that designers become aware that this is not obsolete because everybody has DSL and there are games out there that support it. We had a blast playing every Borderlands game in couch coop, we love Diablo 3 with Reaper of Souls, are currently into the Divinity Original Sin Enhanced Edition RPG, even CoD is great for couch MP online (although the splitscreen in BO3 is kinda crap because of the tiny fonts)...if you look out for these games you can find them. Battleborn will be the same coop/online/couch/MP/splitscreen play as you wish style of game as was Borderlands.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 18, 2016, 12:11:44 PM
Diablo 3 is on the short list of games to get regardless of my final decision.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Barthheart on January 18, 2016, 12:46:28 PM
Diablo 3 is on the short list of games to get regardless of my final decision.

By the time you make up yer mind the next generation consoles will be out....  :P
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 18, 2016, 01:04:31 PM
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Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Barthheart on January 18, 2016, 01:20:31 PM
Yes... you oughta buy a damn system already.  ;)
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: OJsDad on January 18, 2016, 01:21:18 PM
I haven't look much into this, but, there are some games made for Xbox360 that can be played on XboxOne.  I don't know if you could do this with PS3 games on PS4, but it might open up the number of kid friendly games available, and perhaps cheaper also. 
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 18, 2016, 04:45:17 PM
The backwards compatibility is a major plus in the Xbox One's favor.  I don't own any 360 games, but it's a nice option to be able to pick up a used game for cheap, play, and then trade back in afterwards.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Grimnirsson on January 19, 2016, 08:02:55 AM
The PS4 is not backwards compatible.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: W8taminute on January 19, 2016, 08:09:32 AM
I'm going to restrain myself from fanboying too much so I'll give you my console neutral advice.  One thing you may want to consider is what console are your friends and the friends of your kids playing on?  That way you can at least play online with people you know. 


As for what I really want to tell you on which console you should get based on it's technically superior architecture (i.e. graphics card, memory, and processor) I'll keep that to myself.  Like I said I don't want to be accused of being a fanboy even though I am and I like it.   8)
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 19, 2016, 08:22:51 AM
Xbox One Backwards compatibility list:

http://majornelson.com/blog/xbox-one-backward-compatibility/
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 19, 2016, 08:28:19 AM
Damn it Mirth!  I was all ready to buy a PS4 too!
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 19, 2016, 08:29:58 AM
Mwahahahaha!  >:D
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 19, 2016, 08:36:23 AM
The PS4 version of backward compatibility actually sort of pisses me off.  You rent the games through an online streaming service as a part of the PS+ package so as long as you pay to subscribe you can play the game.  Also the game library is limited to PS and PS2 games.  As of right now there is no PS3 games on the list.  Frankly all I want are the Lego games.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Grimnirsson on January 19, 2016, 11:05:31 AM
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Frankly all I want are the Lego games

Buy a Wii U  :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 19, 2016, 11:10:17 AM
i do like Mario.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Grimnirsson on January 19, 2016, 12:24:44 PM
And you do like couch coop/splitscreen fun...one should always have a Nintendo console in the house, at least as a second (or third) machine :)
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 19, 2016, 12:36:51 PM
I'm trying to limit not having to take out a second mortgage on the house just to play games!
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Grimnirsson on January 19, 2016, 12:56:31 PM
Then go now and buy a PS4 to have something to play on while you save some money for a Wii U and thinking about whether or not to buy an XO   O:-)
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 19, 2016, 12:58:30 PM
Ha!  I like the spirt!  I've actually got my eye on a 1tb tomb raider bundle Xbox one.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Grimnirsson on January 19, 2016, 01:13:37 PM
Hm...I said PS4...but ok...just buy...something  ;)
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 19, 2016, 01:17:51 PM
And I could get an actual baseball game on the ps4...oh the dilemma!
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: JasonPratt on January 19, 2016, 01:20:36 PM
I think the what-do-friends-family-play question could resolve the dilemma...?

What about XBone reliability? The original and the 360 were the notorious origins of the Red Ring of Death meme.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Grimnirsson on January 19, 2016, 01:30:24 PM
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The original and the 360 were the notorious origins of the Red Ring of Death meme.

I still have my Xbox and it works fine. I had a RRoD with my 360 but that was long after everybody else was already through a second 360 because of this so it lasted rather long. The newer 360's don't have this issue anymore and the XO is such a beast because MS wanted to make sure it wouldn't happen again this gen, so the thing is stuffed with fans and enough room for air circulation. So this is actually a plus for the XO, the PS4 gets rather warm...but Sony says it's made to stand that.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: OJsDad on January 19, 2016, 03:27:34 PM
Come on Bison, go now to the store and buy one of each.  Heck, I'm sure you can get a deal if you did that.  And the joy on the kids faces will over ride any bad reactions from the wife.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Jarhead0331 on January 19, 2016, 03:29:04 PM
Bison...lead, follow or get the hell out of the way! I know money doesn't grow on trees, but we're just talking about a few hundred shekels here, its really not the decision of  lifetime. I think between PS4 and XBone, its like Ford and Chevy, or HK and Sig, or Mossberg 500 and Remington 870...you can't really go wrong with either and they both accomplish pretty much the same thing.  :crazy2:

How pissed were your kids by the way when they left all those stores WITHOUT getting a system?!?! 
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: W8taminute on January 19, 2016, 04:16:23 PM
I used to think backward compatibility was a deal breaker on whether a new system had the ability or not. 

Now it really does not matter to me that much anymore and that's because there are just way too many good games out right now that are going to soak up a lot of time.  When are you really going to play an old game?  Of all of the thousands of hours that will be spent on the new console what minuscule fraction of that time will be spent playing a game from the last century that you could probably play on your PC using an emulator and ROM?  Don't let the backward compatibility thing hang you up.  Seriously...
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 19, 2016, 07:53:58 PM
Nope not the decision of a life time to be sure and the kids were slightly bummed, but I secretly relish the process of picking out a system, computer, home appliance, or what have you.  Research every nitnoid specification, software availability, and such.  I know that in the end, either system will be awesome and do what it needs to do.  Provide a few hours of entertainment for the family every week.  It also drives my wife crazy because she knows I know she knows that I know that generally whether its an appliance, a computer, a game console, or the brand of paint, the products are basically the same in quality and performance if you are looking at non-cheapo products.

Besides isn't that what we gamers do?  Fret and fuss over our gaming obsession?
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Jarhead0331 on January 19, 2016, 08:42:08 PM

Besides isn't that what we gamers do?  Fret and fuss over our gaming obsession?

Not me. I just buy everything, therefore, no fretting.  :uglystupid2:
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 19, 2016, 08:48:20 PM

Besides isn't that what we gamers do?  Fret and fuss over our gaming obsession?

Not me. I just buy everything, therefore, no fretting.  :uglystupid2:

HAHA!  LMAO!
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 19, 2016, 09:05:13 PM
I think the what-do-friends-family-play question could resolve the dilemma...?

What about XBone reliability? The original and the 360 were the notorious origins of the Red Ring of Death meme.

My original Xbox still runs like a champ after almost 15 years. My  first 360 did croak, but it was still under warranty and M$ paid for the shipping and repair. I had to live without it for a few weeks is all. Eventually the disc tray started not opening, but that was after 6-7 years of use.

I haven't read anything about reliability issues with the XBone.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 19, 2016, 09:25:37 PM
I haven't seen a lot of issues with either system come up, but each have had some technical issues.  Certainly nothing like the ring of death episode.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Staggerwing on January 20, 2016, 04:41:24 AM
Why don't you just keep the PS3 and get a PS4? Then you can play all your old games as well as the new. These days TVs have a bunch of extra HDMI sockets and even if you are short a few you can get an HDMI hub.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: BanzaiCat on January 20, 2016, 05:16:11 AM
I just wanted to interject that anytime one of y'all types the word "Xbone," I'm all

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Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 20, 2016, 07:17:19 AM
I just wanted to interject that anytime one of y'all types the word "Xbone," I'm all

(https://theninewaysofknowing.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/eb0a4-cyehzsl.gif)

I type it that way specifically for your amusement.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 20, 2016, 07:19:10 AM
Why don't you just keep the PS3 and get a PS4? Then you can play all your old games as well as the new. These days TVs have a bunch of extra HDMI sockets and even if you are short a few you can get an HDMI hub.

I don't remember for sure at this point (this has dragged on for so friggin long) but I think "The Wife" would only agree to a new system if the current system left the homestead.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 20, 2016, 07:26:00 AM
Exactly, but it'd actually have to leave the homestead after the fact.  Beside what else having you console players been discussing the past week other than my console purchasing processes?  :)
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 20, 2016, 07:27:34 AM
Exactly, but it'd actually have to leave the homestead after the fact.  Beside what else having you console players been discussing the past week other than my console purchasing processes?  :)

It is the hot button topic of 2016.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: OJsDad on January 20, 2016, 07:28:35 AM
Why don't you just keep the PS3 and get a PS4? Then you can play all your old games as well as the new. These days TVs have a bunch of extra HDMI sockets and even if you are short a few you can get an HDMI hub.

The head of the house won't let him!
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 20, 2016, 07:29:26 AM
Why don't you just keep the PS3 and get a PS4? Then you can play all your old games as well as the new. These days TVs have a bunch of extra HDMI sockets and even if you are short a few you can get an HDMI hub.

The head of the house won't let him!

I have a pair of pants around here some where.  Most likely next to the PS3 console.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 20, 2016, 09:04:43 AM
Woot!  Gamestop has both systems demo versions up and running!  I'm stopping in to play around and then either being responsible and getting some work done or buying a system and going home to game the night away...maybe.  :)
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 20, 2016, 09:06:35 AM
Have fun doing work ;)
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: JasonPratt on January 20, 2016, 09:18:57 AM
Speaking as the guy who originally suggested just keeping the PS3 and maybe getting another system...

"But honey, first I have to make sure this system works, then I can sell the other one and its games."

Problem solved.  >:D
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: undercovergeek on January 20, 2016, 09:33:23 AM
"But honey, i am the man of the house, quit moaning before i put you in the cellar"

Problem solved.  >:D

now tis solved
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 20, 2016, 09:34:33 AM
I might be forced into keeping it because NCAA football isn't made any more and I have copy for the PS3.  I'm mentally working the argument right now.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: JasonPratt on January 20, 2016, 09:36:45 AM
^^ This would be my brother's argument for me keeping my PS3.  O0
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 20, 2016, 12:12:28 PM
Playing the demo boxes just made it worse.  I really like everything about the ps4 except the controller and it doesn't have forza racing games.  I really like everything about the Xbox except it doesn't have baseball, ratchet and clank, or the Xbox controller.  Freaking first world problems!
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 20, 2016, 12:26:04 PM
<smh> Stick with the PS3. You're not ready for a next gen console.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 20, 2016, 12:31:55 PM
Haha!   You're sounding like my wife.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 20, 2016, 12:35:08 PM
Haha!   You're sounding like my wife.

Put on some damn pants!
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Grimnirsson on January 20, 2016, 12:37:11 PM
I had some reservations regarding the Dualshock because the Xbox controller was actually part of my hand for many years, but after a little while of getting used to the differences I really like the controller now - I really do. Especially that it is much much lighter than the Xbox controller is great.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 20, 2016, 12:38:16 PM
Haha!   You're sounding like my wife.

Put on some damn pants!

Exactly!
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 20, 2016, 12:40:41 PM
I'm just not sure we will have anything left to talk about once I do put on my pants and just buy a damned system.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Grimnirsson on January 20, 2016, 12:43:48 PM
We will simply change the topic to the fact that we think you bought the wrong system... :))
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 20, 2016, 12:44:53 PM
I'm just not sure we will have anything left to talk about once I do put on my pants and just buy a damned system.

Don't worry. Whichever system you choose, you'll be expressing buyer's remorse for weeks or months.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: BanzaiCat on January 20, 2016, 12:45:56 PM
"Dude, the Dreamcast is making a comeback!"

Though in all seriousness, imagine how much a Dreamcast with about 100 games would cost you. I bet you could break a five dollar bill and get change back.  ;D
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 20, 2016, 12:50:44 PM
I'm just not sure we will have anything left to talk about once I do put on my pants and just buy a damned system.

Don't worry. Whichever system you choose, you'll be expressing buyer's remorse for weeks or months.

This is all vaguely starting to sound like a marriage especially the wearing of pants.  :p
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 20, 2016, 12:51:13 PM
We will simply change the topic to the fact that we think you bought the wrong system... :))

Nooooo!
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 20, 2016, 12:54:37 PM
I had some reservations regarding the Dualshock because the Xbox controller was actually part of my hand for many years, but after a little while of getting used to the differences I really like the controller now - I really do. Especially that it is much much lighter than the Xbox controller is great.

Having used both, I can honestly say the Dualshock is the better controller, but the controllers for the 360 and XBone are just fine. The controllers for the original Xbox were beasts - heavy and clunky.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Grimnirsson on January 20, 2016, 12:58:33 PM
I do like that the Xbox controller's sticks are a bit tighter, but as with everything it's a matter of practice, I'm almost as speedy and accurate in shooters now as I was on the 360 so everything's fine :)
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Jarhead0331 on January 20, 2016, 03:11:29 PM
I think you need to decide based upon the single most important factor. The PS4 simply looks cooler. It looks like a deadly space cruiser knifing through the void of space, hunting for targets to obliterate. The Xbone on the other hand looks like a...well, it looks like a box.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 20, 2016, 03:27:36 PM
OK.  This is a serious list of game consoles considerations, but before I begin I *do* have my preference of consoles.  I haven't gone with my preference because the console is really more for the kids and family fun, than it is about my gaming preferences and considerations.

Games the kids and I like:  Lego Star Wars and racing games like Burnout Paradise.  So with that being said other than the specific Lego Star Wars game, which is part of the 360 compatibility list and available from the xbox online store, any lego game will most likely do and they are available on both systems.  Racing games are different.  We really enjoy Burnout Paradise.  They just like to drive around town and crash into stuff, but I enjoy the races and challenges.  There isn't a comparable Burnout game on either system.  The Xbox has the best car racing game series Forza and Foraz Horizons 2 is an open world racing game with like 200 cars and Forza 6 has split screen multiplayer racing.  The PS4 really doesn't offer anything of the same quality or style.  There's Project Cars, Race Club, and Need for Speed, but they aren't the same as Forza Horizons 2 for quality that is fun as both a racing sim and a racing arcade game.

They also really like games similar to Mario World 3d and Mario Cart, but I'm just not familiar with similar games on either the Xbox or the PS4.  And no, I'm not getting a Wii U.  I still want a system I can get some more adult games to play on the couch late at night.  So I'm not sure this is even a factor, but maybe you all know something I don't.

Controller:  This is a harder one to answer.  I play with a 360 controller on the PC and obviously play with the PS3 dualshock.  I prefer the 360 controller, but either is fine.  It's really about the kids.  This is why before I commit to a system, I'm dragging them to Gamestop to play with the demo machines for a few hours like I did today.  I know they will grow into and learn to play with either controller, but the ability to best manipulate it now is more important than a year or two down the road.

I like the snappy PS4 interface, but I like that I can pin programs/apps to the main page of the Xbox.  I think this will make it much easier for them to find the game or start up Netflix.  The console will be both a game box and an entertainment setup.

Anyway that's where I'm at right now.  As far as the bundle, both are comparable in price for a basic bundle, additional control, and two additional games.  Although the bundle will provide either me or them with an additional game.

So there it is.  I know it sounds like I'm really indecisive about the purchase, but I just want to feel that I made the best choice for them and the family.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: JasonPratt on January 20, 2016, 04:32:02 PM
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We really enjoy Burnout Paradise

In conclusion: stay with the PS3.

It really may be a case of there's plenty of great games still to play on the PS3 (and on the PC otherwise, but you can get a Shield or a Steambox to make it more consolish, porting the video and audio to your TV setup), and not enough great games yet on the next gen consoles to decisively prefer one to the other.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 20, 2016, 04:37:03 PM
The kids are going to enjoy either system and whatever games are available for the one you go with. Don't be shy about picking the one you're going to be most happy with too.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: OJsDad on January 20, 2016, 04:52:19 PM
The kids are going to enjoy either system and whatever games are available for the one you go with. Don't be shy about picking the one you're going to be most happy with too.

+1.  From what your saying, I don't really think either one is going to be wrong for you. 
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: OJsDad on January 20, 2016, 04:53:01 PM
Haha!   You're sounding like my wife.

Put on some damn pants!

She's already wearing them!
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 20, 2016, 05:01:16 PM
Haha!   You're sounding like my wife.

Put on some damn pants!

She's already wearing them!

The pants are on loan.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Barthheart on January 20, 2016, 05:52:35 PM
Haha!   You're sounding like my wife.

Put on some damn pants!

She's already wearing them!

The pants are on loan.

What helps get you through the day.....
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 20, 2016, 05:56:44 PM
Haha!   You're sounding like my wife.

Put on some damn pants!

She's already wearing them!

The pants are on loan.

What helps get you through the day.....

My shiny new Xbox One helps me get through the day.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Barthheart on January 20, 2016, 05:58:39 PM
Does yer Xbone keep you up at night?
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 20, 2016, 06:03:59 PM
Does yer Xbone keep you up at night?

I keep it up at night.

Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Staggerwing on January 20, 2016, 06:12:03 PM
Does yer Xbone keep you up at night?


Only until the urge for bladder voiding was met. After that slumber returned soon enough.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: W8taminute on January 20, 2016, 08:26:13 PM
If you're considering everyone in the family and what they can get out of it then you'll most likely be happy with the Bone. 

If you're going to buy the system for yourself get the PS4.  It's the better gaming console. 
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 22, 2016, 09:00:34 AM
Bison, just order this and call it good

http://www.dkoldies.com/super-nintendo-2-player-pak
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 22, 2016, 10:01:04 AM
And to further muddy the waters:

https://games.yahoo.com/news/performance-issues-render-xbox-360-141211544.html
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Jarhead0331 on January 22, 2016, 02:07:24 PM
Well here is another thing to consider. I just played Halo 5 on my PC by streaming it from my xbone. VERY cool!
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: OJsDad on January 22, 2016, 04:20:52 PM
Jarhead, I've got my PC to connect to my Xbox, but do I need an Xbox controller attached to my PC to play games.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Jarhead0331 on January 22, 2016, 06:55:44 PM
Jarhead, I've got my PC to connect to my Xbox, but do I need an Xbox controller attached to my PC to play games.

I'm pretty sure you do. Don't think you can play with a keyboard and mouse.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 22, 2016, 11:58:05 PM
The wife and the daughters spent 45 minutes playing the Super Mario Maker and Mario Cart demo at BestBuy this evening.  Seriously I went there to pick up a PS4 Uncharted Bundle, although the CoD Black Ops Bundle is tempting, with a follow up trip to Gamestop to pick some more kid friendly fare.  So once again my best plans were laid to waste.  No console was purchased today. 
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 23, 2016, 06:32:40 AM
No console was purchased today. 

In other news, water is still wet :P
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Grimnirsson on January 23, 2016, 10:49:22 AM
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The wife and the daughters spent 45 minutes playing the Super Mario Maker and Mario Cart demo at BestBuy this evening.

Well, isn't that pretty much an answer to your question which console to buy?  ::)
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 23, 2016, 11:31:35 AM
I'd be much more inclined if I could pick it up as a second console or if it were cheaper. 
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Staggerwing on January 23, 2016, 12:08:01 PM
How much is it selling for? You could try grabbing a lightly used one on eBay using a sniping app. It may take a couple of days but after a few tries you could net a good deal.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: JasonPratt on January 24, 2016, 02:39:51 PM
Gamestop could be your friend on this, too...
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 25, 2016, 02:26:02 PM
I must say that Disgaea 5 and Star Ocean 5 look good, but it's been awhile since I've played a good jrpg.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 25, 2016, 02:37:29 PM
Stop. Just stop.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 25, 2016, 02:41:27 PM
What are you a racist who hates the Japanese and their wonderfully odd role playing games? 
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 25, 2016, 02:44:20 PM
What are you a racist who hates the Japanese and their wonderfully odd role playing games? 

Now that you've cracked that code, GO BUY A CONSOLE!
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 25, 2016, 02:46:34 PM
I need a Black Friday sale, badly.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: W8taminute on January 25, 2016, 06:50:00 PM
I must say that Disgaea 5 and Star Ocean 5 look good, but it's been awhile since I've played a good jrpg.

Star Ocean 5 is definitely on my radar. 
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: BanzaiCat on January 25, 2016, 08:03:00 PM
Star Ocean 3: The Tentacling was the classic of the bunch.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 29, 2016, 02:13:54 PM
Looking at consoles again today.  Perhaps I'll buy one this time.  Or maybe two.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: OJsDad on January 29, 2016, 02:31:11 PM
Odds at Vegas are 50 - 1 that you will not purchase anything tonight.  30-1 that you'll not make a purchase this weekend. 
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 29, 2016, 02:37:04 PM
100-1 that you'll bother to put on pants at all this weekend.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: OJsDad on January 29, 2016, 02:55:12 PM
You'd loose that bet as I'm gong to a couple of HS basketball games tomorrow, and my wife and daughter won't let me go with out pants.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 29, 2016, 02:59:27 PM
I meant Bison. Sorry.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 29, 2016, 04:16:51 PM
I say free Americans from the shackels of pants wearing!!! 
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: MetalDog on January 29, 2016, 05:36:39 PM
You are not required to wear pants in public.  However, if not otherwise properly attired, be prepared for law enforcement's response.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 31, 2016, 02:07:42 PM
I'm sure you all are fascinated with my on going console process. :)  I think this is the way it's going to shake out eventually.

Keep PS3 for right now and pick up a Wii U.  (The wife loves some Mario, so it'll be a good way to get her to play games with the kids and me.)
Replace the PS3 with an Xbox One.  I just like the Xbox controllers much more than the PS controllers and the backwards compatibility for the Xbox is a really nice feature.  Unless I decide to get a PS4 for some JRPG lovin'.  I think the Wii U is a done deal however.  I saw a bundle at Target that comes preinstalled with Splatoon (a fun as hell shooter game) and Super Smash Bros.  Then I just need to pick up a pro controller or two, Mario Cart (a $20 Nintendo e card for the 2 Mario Cart DLC and 1 or 2 of the Smash Bros. DLC) and either Mario World 3D or Super Mario Maker.  I'm really banking that Nintendo will keep the backwards compatibility for their new system the NX when ever it releases.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 31, 2016, 02:12:13 PM
What about the pants?
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 31, 2016, 02:13:53 PM
I got ketchup on them.  So for the sake of not walking around with stains on my pants, I opted to just take them off.  I probably should have worn some underwear, but that's a lot of prior coordination I cannot be bother to make.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 31, 2016, 02:28:03 PM
I got ketchup on them.  So for the sake of not walking around with stains on my pants, I opted to just take them off.  I probably should have worn some underwear, but that's a lot of prior coordination I cannot be bother to make.

Underwear...pfft. Speak not to me of underwear.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Grimnirsson on January 31, 2016, 03:41:25 PM
I'm sure you all are fascinated with my on going console process. :)  I think this is the way it's going to shake out eventually.

Keep PS3 for right now and pick up a Wii U. (...)  Unless I decide to get a PS4 for some JRPG lovin'.

A choice eventually...and certainly not a bad one.

If you have a Wii U you also have the platform to play one of the best JRPGs...join us here:
http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=15714.0 (http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=15714.0)

 :)
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on January 31, 2016, 03:56:15 PM
Yeah Xenoblade does look pretty epic, but I was also looking at Monster Hunter 3. 
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: OJsDad on January 31, 2016, 04:22:01 PM
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Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on January 31, 2016, 04:29:24 PM
The problem is that Bison is going to be as old as the Grail dude by the time he does choose.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: BanzaiCat on February 01, 2016, 07:18:48 AM
Imagine the plethora of choices of advanced systems by the time THAT rolls around...
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on February 01, 2016, 07:35:52 AM
Imagine the plethora of choices of advanced systems by the time THAT rolls around...

Yeah, but it will be a backward compatibility nightmare
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on February 01, 2016, 05:10:49 PM
Well I got screwed.  The wiiU bundle I was going to buy was sold a few hours before I got to the store today.  So I had to settle for the Mario Kart 8 bundle.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on February 01, 2016, 05:17:58 PM
You bought something?!
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on February 01, 2016, 05:35:13 PM
I did.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Staggerwing on February 01, 2016, 06:03:08 PM
PWBOSMBS...
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on February 01, 2016, 06:07:44 PM
I did.

A console?
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on February 01, 2016, 06:25:15 PM
Yup I'm a Nintendo guy now.  I just need to figure out which external storage device route I want to go so I can eventually get smash bros, splatoon, and monster hunter 3 and xenoblade.  Its one of the downsides to the wiiU.  The ridiculously small internal storage capacity.  I've decided I want to go with digital download over disc.  I think it's more kid safe.  But the wiiU requires either a external hard drive with its own power supply or I've watch YouTube where you can use a smaller portable drive but you need a Y2 cable to plug the hard drive into the back two USB ports.  Not a huge issue but I'll need to order one from newegg or Amazon.  I think I had one but it got tossed out during a spring cleaning purge, when I thought I'd never need this cable again.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on February 01, 2016, 10:59:11 PM
I've ordered my Y 2 USB cable and the adaptor for the gamecube controller so I'm ready for Smash Bros. when I decided to buy it in a few weeks or so.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: BanzaiCat on February 02, 2016, 04:31:33 AM
Aaaand it only took 12 pages of hand-wringing in this thread to git'r'done!  :)
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on February 02, 2016, 07:06:43 AM
And now begins the buyer's remorse phase.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on February 02, 2016, 07:16:56 AM
Nah no remorse.  I really do love Nintendo games and now I'm onto phase two of restructuring the entertainment hub of the Bison homestead.  Next up?  Either a Xbox One or a sound system.  This one might take a few months to sort out.  :)
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Grimnirsson on February 02, 2016, 11:02:17 AM
Welcome to Nintendoland!  O0

Many good games on the Wii U, there's a great fun time ahead, enjoy.  :)
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on February 02, 2016, 11:05:06 AM
Who wants odds on Bison returning the Wii before the end of the week?
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on February 02, 2016, 11:05:54 AM
I think I maybe should have followed my gut feeling and gone with Mario World 3D over Super Mario Maker.   I really like the concept of Mario Maker and I did play some of the user created content last night, but I think for value of problem solving and coherant level design I should have picked 3D.  I think the kids would enjoy it more, especially since they get the cat suit.  But I also know that they like to just create stuff, which Mario Maker does in spades.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on February 02, 2016, 11:09:17 AM
Who wants odds on Bison returning the Wii before the end of the week?

You'd lose that bet.  I'll be honest.  My favorite video game characters are Nintendo and Bandai Namco; Mario, Link, and Pacman for example.  I'm an 80's kid and love platformers.  I can still remember when Pacman came to the local arcade.  I spent many quarters on that machine same with Super Mario.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Grimnirsson on February 02, 2016, 01:25:24 PM
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Who wants odds on Bison returning the Wii before the end of the week?

He can safely return the Wii because he's the proud owner of a Wii U now... :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: JasonPratt on February 03, 2016, 12:20:38 PM
Wait, did he buy something?

Wheeew!
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on February 04, 2016, 12:37:37 PM
I'm not sure why the rest of you aren't jumping on my Nintendo bandwagon yet.  I've spent the last couple of evenings playing Mario and doing online Mario Cart 8 races.  The wife and I even got in a good hour last night of local racing and beating Mario levels.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: BanzaiCat on February 04, 2016, 12:39:27 PM
I was done with Nintendo when we got a Wii about eight or so years ago. We never really took to it. Used to play my first-gen Xbox a lot but haven't been much into consoles since then.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on February 04, 2016, 12:49:15 PM
I wasn't a huge fan of the Wii either.  It was fun enough for an occasional evening of fun, but I hated the controllers and motion requirements.  The WiiU can use those same features and even controllers, but they certainly are not necessary at all.  Anyway.  It's really been sort of a coming home party for me since I picked it up.  It's pretty neat to share the type of games the wife and I grew up playing with the kids and it's even better that they love playing them. 

Of course Nintendo is coming out with a new console which seems like it could be pretty epic.  I've already started to plant the seeds of purchasing one into the wife's subconscious.  MAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: JasonPratt on February 05, 2016, 06:29:17 AM
Sounds like a winning choice then!  O0

I'm pretty sure I blew my chance of courting one girl several years ago when, at a Sunday School Christmas party, the Wii got brought out with an iteration of Mario Kart, and she was doing reasonably well against everyone else and then one of the four controllers made it around to me.

At the time I had played Burnout and Motorstorm quite a bit recently; not to mention a lifetime of related high-speed maneuver things like the Ace Combat series. And I'd had a chance to study how this version of MK worked by watching the others. (Also, I had played MK a little with a cousin a few years prior.)

I was very nice about winning, I thought. I tried to give them a few suggestions about how to drive more effectively. But, man, it was like playing in slow motion against four-year-olds who could barely steer. Even spotting them some seconds out of the gate, there wasn't much doubt. (Because of course I wanted to make it a fair race and so I only spotted myself two seconds longer than how long it took them to come in second last time.)

I don't exactly remember her comment when she threw down the controller at last, but it was something like, "Guys are stupid. They only want to win."

 ???  ???  ???

In hindsight, I maybe dodged a bullet there.  ::) :crazy2:
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on February 05, 2016, 06:56:07 AM
Sounds like it.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on December 29, 2016, 02:21:03 PM
It only took 8 months, but I finally decided between the Xbox One and PS4.  I picked up a shiny new Xbox One S with Gears of War 4.  Woot! 
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: bbmike on December 29, 2016, 02:25:46 PM
It only took 8 months, but I finally decided between the Xbox One and PS4.  I picked up a shiny new Xbox One S with Gears of War 4.  Woot!

What was the deciding factor(s)?
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on December 29, 2016, 02:30:04 PM
4K blue ray video player, smaller form factor, and I've moved into console gaming to play with the kids.  It's just easier than PC gaming with them.  I'm looking at you minecraft...and I wanted a selection of more adult games than I can get on the Wii U.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on December 29, 2016, 02:53:30 PM
Good call. I love my Xbone.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: bbmike on December 29, 2016, 02:59:35 PM
Does it support dongles?
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on December 29, 2016, 03:01:34 PM
Is it USB powered?
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on December 29, 2016, 03:30:34 PM
Fully powered and dongle supported.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: bbmike on June 10, 2017, 04:29:18 PM
An Xbox One S for $199 tomorrow (https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/10/15776370/microsoft-xbox-one-s-price-drop-e3-2017). Is it worth it? I've never, ever owned a console but I'm tempted.  :dreamer:
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on June 10, 2017, 04:33:03 PM
An Xbox One S for $199 tomorrow (https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/10/15776370/microsoft-xbox-one-s-price-drop-e3-2017). Is it worth it? I've never, ever owned a console but I'm tempted.  :dreamer:

I think so.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Staggerwing on June 10, 2017, 05:43:03 PM
I've never owned an Xbox, just PS1 through 3. How backwards-compatible is the Xbox One S? If I ever get an Xbox I'd want to be able to play some of the older titles, such as all the Halos, that I missed not owning earlier MS consoles.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on June 11, 2017, 05:10:10 PM
You can get digital downloads of Xbox games to play.  I don't believe it plays physical media as backwards compatibilie.   


I really come to love my  Xbox One.  Play games mostly Diablo 3, Dragon Age, just start Divinity, and of course racing games.  Otherwise I'll use it to watch streaming media like Netflix or amazon prime.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on June 11, 2017, 05:20:56 PM
You can get digital downloads of Xbox games to play.  I don't believe it plays physical media as backwards compatibilie.   


It will run disc copies of 360 games that have been made compatible on the Xbox One.

https://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/console/compatibility-with-xbox-360-faq#Xbox360gamecompatibility1

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/backward-compatibility/available-games
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on June 11, 2017, 05:23:51 PM
An Xbox One S for $199 tomorrow (https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/10/15776370/microsoft-xbox-one-s-price-drop-e3-2017). Is it worth it? I've never, ever owned a console but I'm tempted.  :dreamer:

I think so.

Very much worth it.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Bison on June 11, 2017, 07:06:45 PM
You can get digital downloads of Xbox games to play.  I don't believe it plays physical media as backwards compatibilie.   


It will run disc copies of 360 games that have been made compatible on the Xbox One.

https://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/console/compatibility-with-xbox-360-faq#Xbox360gamecompatibility1

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/backward-compatibility/available-games

I did not know this very cool.
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: JasonPratt on June 13, 2017, 06:49:52 PM
Or looked at another way, it could technically play any 360 disc game if Microsoft wanted it to, but they're restricting it by code to only work with discs of games available digitally from the store.

And that concession required a massive fan backlash: Macro$lash wanted to double dip customers by forcing a rebuy of games players already owned on disc for anyone who wanted to continue playing them without the hassle of keeping another console (already notorious for a self-destructive lifespan anyway) connected up and ready to go.

As it happens, stats (in the other article) report that less than 2% of time is spent on playing 360 games on the Bone anyway. So M$ recovered some customer good-will at no great loss in potential extra revenue.

Not that I have anything to be bitter about: I'm a Playstation player. (I have my own bitternesses to be bitter about when it comes to compatibility. ;)  :pullhair: )
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: mirth on June 13, 2017, 07:06:59 PM
It can't just play any 360 game. AFAIK, there isn't an onboard emulator like Sony tried to do with the early PS4s (which they dropped because of cost). There is some work involved to make 360 games compatible with the Xbox one. And honestly MS (or Sony or anyone else) isn't under any obligation to provide backward compatibility. It's a nice feature to offer, but if I really want to play my 360 games I'll play them on my 360.

The truth is most users of the Xbox One don't make use of backward compatibility anyway - https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/06/backward-compatible-xbox-360-games-are-less-than-2-of-xbox-one-usage-time/
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: JasonPratt on June 14, 2017, 07:04:16 AM
The truth is most users of the Xbox One don't make use of backward compatibility anyway - https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/06/backward-compatible-xbox-360-games-are-less-than-2-of-xbox-one-usage-time/

Yes as I noted in my post. ;)

I know they aren't under any legal or moral obligation to provide back-compat. What people were upset about was fishing for rebuys.

How does the limited compatibility work, btw? -- the disc is used for authentication and then the game (properly modified with some work to make it play on the XBone) is downloaded from the store?
Title: Re: Console Recommendations
Post by: Grimnirsson on June 14, 2017, 12:51:50 PM
 
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the disc is used for authentication and then the game (properly modified with some work to make it play on the XBone) is downloaded from the store?

Yep