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Title: Armored Battle Crew-World War 1: Tank and Crew Management Simulation
Post by: MC on March 16, 2019, 09:38:16 AM
Definitely something unique. This may or may not be your cup of tea depending on your thoughts about cartoon-type graphics. I'll have to keep an eye on this and see how it develops. There hasn't been much of anything I am aware of that covers WW1 tanks at this level. Hopefully there will be some realism injected into this.

Armored Battle Crew is a Tank and Crew Management Simulation game, where your skills as a Tank commander is tested. Customize your tank carefully and make strategic battle choices to achieve mission success! The fate of your crew lies in your hands!

https://store.steampowered.com/app/814740/Armored_Battle_Crew_World_War_1__Tank_Warfare_and_Crew_Management_Simulator/ (https://store.steampowered.com/app/814740/Armored_Battle_Crew_World_War_1__Tank_Warfare_and_Crew_Management_Simulator/)

Title: Re: Armored Battle Crew-World War 1: Tank and Crew Management Simulation
Post by: Gusington on March 16, 2019, 12:52:56 PM
I've had this on my wish list for a while...I so wish they could change up the cartoon graphics.
Title: Re: Armored Battle Crew-World War 1: Tank and Crew Management Simulation
Post by: Staggerwing on March 16, 2019, 01:10:12 PM
But war is so much more palatable when it's Playmobile People v. Lego Minifigs. Not even any plastic blood to disturb the sensibilities.
Title: Re: Armored Battle Crew-World War 1: Tank and Crew Management Simulation
Post by: em2nought on March 16, 2019, 01:17:52 PM
Hmmm, I love it!  :bd:
Title: Re: Armored Battle Crew-World War 1: Tank and Crew Management Simulation
Post by: Jarhead0331 on March 16, 2019, 02:11:52 PM
Itís like Bomber Crew...with tanks.
Title: Re: Armored Battle Crew-World War 1: Tank and Crew Management Simulation
Post by: Pete Dero on March 16, 2019, 02:31:33 PM
Might not give the most exciting gameplay  >:D ...

TANKS WERE FIRST USED AT FLERSCOURCELETTE IN SEPTEMBER 1916, BUT
WHAT IMPACT DID THEY HAVE ON THE BATTLEFIELD AT THAT TIME?

They didnít Ďbreak-throughí but they did Ďbreakiní to German positions. Many of them broke
down on the way up and many didnít even cross the British front line.
Lots were disabled
and they were very slow. Although they could traverse No Manís Land, German guns could
hit them if the gunners were able to see them.

So they werenít a wonder weapon but there were one or two tanks that would get out into
a bit of space and it was more the tantalising prospect that was raised by the success of
these individual tanks that inspired the BEF to order more.

WHAT WAS THE REACTION AMONG THE GERMAN TROOPS WHEN THEY SAW THE TANKS COMING?

I think it came as a complete surprise, certainly to the frontline infantrymen. Some sources
have said that there was an important morale factor in that it spooked the enemy. Iíve talked
to a German historian recently and heís said that the tanks didnít unduly freak out the
Germans. Thereís the myth about these steel monsters that just made the enemy run away,
which isnít quite true. I think it was probably patchy in places. If you were in a machine gun
nest and there was a tank rumbling towards you youíd probably run away but not because there
was some mythical element to the tank. A new weapon of this kind would probably
have boosted British morale, but I donít think it led to total terror and collapse on the
German side as some people have traditionally suggested. The tanks were going so slowly and
deliberately that if you had to abandon your position, you would have had plenty of warning
to [do so] at your leisure.


Source : History of War nį 30
Title: Re: Armored Battle Crew-World War 1: Tank and Crew Management Simulation
Post by: SirAndrewD on March 16, 2019, 02:43:43 PM
I've had this on my wish list for a while...I so wish they could change up the cartoon graphics.

Nothing expresses the grimness of the WWI western front like happy little bobble people.  I mean, come on, they're so CUTE!  It looks like they love having lice, trench foot and dysentery. 

I mean, come on.  You don't actually want to feel like you're participating in the senseless obliteration of an entire generation do you?

Hopefully they'll have the Germans explode into sauerkraut cans and give the British Umbrella Paratroops. 
Title: Re: Armored Battle Crew-World War 1: Tank and Crew Management Simulation
Post by: Gusington on March 16, 2019, 04:41:45 PM
^HAHAHA!!!

No.

You guys have convinced me to remove it from my wish list. Thank you!
Title: Re: Armored Battle Crew-World War 1: Tank and Crew Management Simulation
Post by: besilarius on March 16, 2019, 05:13:57 PM
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=725726471113809

Training with early tanks.
Title: Re: Armored Battle Crew-World War 1: Tank and Crew Management Simulation
Post by: Gusington on March 16, 2019, 05:22:23 PM
Meh, not cartoony enough.
Title: Re: Armored Battle Crew-World War 1: Tank and Crew Management Simulation
Post by: Apocalypse 31 on March 17, 2019, 11:32:01 AM
Itís like Bomber Crew...with tanks.

I really hope not.

Bomber Crew really bothered me because the player had to DO EVERYTHING. That's exactly opposite of how a crew works.
Title: Re: Armored Battle Crew-World War 1: Tank and Crew Management Simulation
Post by: FarAway Sooner on March 17, 2019, 01:06:45 PM
Might not give the most exciting gameplay  >:D ...

TANKS WERE FIRST USED AT FLERSCOURCELETTE IN SEPTEMBER 1916, BUT
WHAT IMPACT DID THEY HAVE ON THE BATTLEFIELD AT THAT TIME?

They didnít Ďbreak-throughí but they did Ďbreakiní to German positions. Many of them broke
down on the way up and many didnít even cross the British front line.
Lots were disabled
and they were very slow. Although they could traverse No Manís Land, German guns could
hit them if the gunners were able to see them.

So they werenít a wonder weapon but there were one or two tanks that would get out into
a bit of space and it was more the tantalising prospect that was raised by the success of
these individual tanks that inspired the BEF to order more.

WHAT WAS THE REACTION AMONG THE GERMAN TROOPS WHEN THEY SAW THE TANKS COMING?

I think it came as a complete surprise, certainly to the frontline infantrymen. Some sources
have said that there was an important morale factor in that it spooked the enemy. Iíve talked
to a German historian recently and heís said that the tanks didnít unduly freak out the
Germans. Thereís the myth about these steel monsters that just made the enemy run away,
which isnít quite true. I think it was probably patchy in places. If you were in a machine gun
nest and there was a tank rumbling towards you youíd probably run away but not because there
was some mythical element to the tank. A new weapon of this kind would probably
have boosted British morale, but I donít think it led to total terror and collapse on the
German side as some people have traditionally suggested. The tanks were going so slowly and
deliberately that if you had to abandon your position, you would have had plenty of warning
to [do so] at your leisure.


Source : History of War nį 30

Pete, my understanding is that tanks had a bumpy introduction in WW I, but did end up being used successfully later on in the war.  You know, kind of like bombers in WW II...
Title: Re: Armored Battle Crew-World War 1: Tank and Crew Management Simulation
Post by: SirAndrewD on March 17, 2019, 02:45:48 PM

Pete, my understanding is that tanks had a bumpy introduction in WW I, but did end up being used successfully later on in the war.  You know, kind of like bombers in WW II...

I think he was more referring to the initial "shock and awe" myth that accompanied the introduction of tanks in 1916 than an analysis of their overall effectiveness by the end of the war. As his quoted article said "What impact did they have on the battlefield at that time"

The British did rely a lot on the shock and surprise factor in their initial deployments, which as the article said, came in ones and twos. 

By The Battle of Cambrai they had amassed enough armor to make them pretty effective when used properly and in numbers.  War office planners, JFC Fuller in particular, quickly began to see the potential of combined arms mechanized force, and the tank evolved into a fairly useful, though not war winning, weapon by the end of the war. 

But, I agree with Pete, perhaps not the most exciting from a gameplay perspective.  Tanks got better and more functional as the war went on, but they weren't what we're used to in wargaming and simulation. 

The developers are taking the right tack in making a WW1 tank game about vehicle management more than anything else.  Just keeping these things running was most of the battle.
Title: Re: Armored Battle Crew-World War 1: Tank and Crew Management Simulation
Post by: Staggerwing on March 17, 2019, 04:24:30 PM
I just noticed something in the trailer and stillshots- why are the Germans using what look like Renault FT-17s? Shouldn't they be driving A7Vs? Those last would be a real crew management sim with their crews of around 18.
Title: Re: Armored Battle Crew-World War 1: Tank and Crew Management Simulation
Post by: SirAndrewD on March 17, 2019, 09:33:13 PM
I just noticed something in the trailer and stillshots- why are the Germans using what look like Renault FT-17s? Shouldn't they be driving A7Vs? Those last would be a real crew management sim with their crews of around 18.

Yeah, though this wasn't my first clue that they weren't heading in in the direction of realism, this certainly is one of them.   

The Germans did use captured Allied tanks in WWI, but not many and every one I've seen were British Marks.   

They're also featuring tank on tank combat, which as far as I've ever read only happened in one instance between three Mk IV's and three A7V's.

It's hard to make the Germans the focus of any kind of slightly realistic WWI tank sim.  The German high command didn't buy into tanks the way the Allies did.  They only built around 20 A7V's and made limited use of captured Allied equipment.   They didn't have anyone like Fuller that was pushing for a transition into modern mechanized warfare. 

They of course more than made up the doctrinal gap in the interwar period.


EDIT:  In their combat videos in the forum sections they're referring to the FT tanks as captured by Germans. 
Title: Re: Armored Battle Crew-World War 1: Tank and Crew Management Simulation
Post by: ArizonaTank on March 17, 2019, 10:30:20 PM
To put yourself in the mood, I highly recommend the BBC docu-drama "Our World War" episode three, available on Netflix.

But heck....watch the whole series while you are at it.