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Title: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: Tanaka on November 25, 2020, 02:00:32 PM
Anyone else find themselves caught in this trap? Mods can make many games so much cooler but...updates and bugs updates and bugs...using mods can be exhausting when you keep adding more and more mods. Going down the steam workshop modhole I just keep adding and adding and adding. But I find the more mods I add the less I want to play that game because they are so exhausting to keep up with all of the game and mod updates.

So who just plays the base games to avoid this?

I find myself wanting to give up mods altogether so I can just keep playing my games whenever new updates come out without having to check on tons of mods.

It's quite the frustrating conundrum because there are so many cool mods out there...
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: Gusington on November 25, 2020, 02:03:22 PM
Modding is a game unto itself for me :)

What are you modding?
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: Tanaka on November 25, 2020, 02:21:38 PM
Modding is a game unto itself for me :)

What are you modding?

I have modded games myself and yes I've found myself modding more than playing (that's a whole nother rabbit hole haha)

But in general I mean just going into steam workshop and adding others mods. For example today I bought CK3 and immediately went in and added a jillion mods. And now I don't want to play it because I've added in so much more complexity and bugs and so much to keep up with for the next update  :idiot2:

So now I'm thinking just delete all the mods and just keep playing the damn base game as new updates come out without having to worry about any of that anymore...
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: Jarhead0331 on November 25, 2020, 02:25:05 PM
Yes. I know the feeling. I've felt this with a lot of games. You are not alone.
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: Tanaka on November 25, 2020, 02:28:31 PM
Yes. I know the feeling. I've felt this with a lot of games. You are not alone.

Good to hear I feel like this is Mod Addiction Anonymous  :2funny:

Addicted to just adding mods and never playing the actual game  :bd:
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: Gusington on November 25, 2020, 02:29:39 PM
I used to always try to play the base game first, whatever it was. There are so many interesting titles now and so many more interesting mods that has become more and more difficult.

But still fun.
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: Jarhead0331 on November 25, 2020, 02:38:34 PM
Yes. I know the feeling. I've felt this with a lot of games. You are not alone.

Good to hear I feel like this is Mod Addiction Anonymous  :2funny:

Addicted to just adding mods and never playing the actual game  :bd:
I have literally hundreds of gigabites of mods for Arma 3. Luckily, they are easy to sort through, activate, deactivate and delete.
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: Sir Slash on November 25, 2020, 05:30:10 PM
Steam makes using and switching between mods and vanilla quite easy I've found. There are the upgrades to deal with but this also done automatically or you can opt to not do upgrades and play the version you currently have installed. The most aggravating thing for me are the modders who just walk-away from their projects and leave them half-done or broken.  :pullhair:
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: Tanaka on November 25, 2020, 05:39:17 PM
Steam makes using and switching between mods and vanilla quite easy I've found. There are the upgrades to deal with but this also done automatically or you can opt to not do upgrades and play the version you currently have installed. The most aggravating thing for me are the modders who just walk-away from their projects and leave them half-done or broken.  :pullhair:

Another reason! Haha
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: -budd- on November 25, 2020, 06:11:32 PM
Hi, I'm budd I'm a modaholic.

With war/strategy games mods are a selling point for me. Shooters, gameplay and cosmetic mods. I've installed games, modded the shit out of them and uninstalled before I ever played them L:-) I'm using JSME on about 25 war games, and steam workshop for the rest. Your definitely not alone.
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: Gusington on November 25, 2020, 06:35:26 PM
HI BUDD
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: airboy on November 25, 2020, 08:21:24 PM
Anyone else find themselves caught in this trap? Mods can make many games so much cooler but...updates and bugs updates and bugs...using mods can be exhausting when you keep adding more and more mods. Going down the steam workshop modhole I just keep adding and adding and adding. But I find the more mods I add the less I want to play that game because they are so exhausting to keep up with all of the game and mod updates.

So who just plays the base games to avoid this?

I find myself wanting to give up mods altogether so I can just keep playing my games whenever new updates come out without having to check on tons of mods.

It's quite the frustrating conundrum because there are so many cool mods out there...

1] I don't mod unless I find the base game lacking or irritating.
2] I do play scenarios added to base games.  And I prefer wargames that encourage people to write additional scenarios.
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: Yskonyn on November 26, 2020, 12:07:26 AM
I only use mods on games that arent getting frequently patched anymore. Otherwise the gain is just not overcoming the frustration for me.
This frustration might be less if given game supports some kind of mod manager to quickly enable or disable mods.
Steam Workshop goes a long way here.

Still, generally I stay away from mods until I have a good grasp of the game and its patching cycle is slowing down.

There are some exceptions: Mechwarrior 5, for example, really needs mods to make it an interesting enough game for me, but their patch cycle is slow so I get by.
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: FarAway Sooner on November 26, 2020, 12:14:59 AM
I tend to go minimalist on most mods, unless they dramatically improve a game.  As soon as I start to run into technical problems, I just stop using it for a few months.  If I'm still playing the game a few months later, and I browse through the workshop and see the mod, I might click on it just to see if it's been updated.

For me, the trick to maximizing enjoyment of mods is to apply the 20/80 rule.  20% of the mods I might want to use will deliver 80% of the improved game play out there.  When I try to get 100% of the improved game play out there, I just find myself at the bottom of a perfectionist doom loop where I spend so much time trying to perfect the game that I don't get any time to play it!
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: solops on November 26, 2020, 07:25:05 AM
I tend to go minimalist on most mods, unless they dramatically improve a game. 

+1
Most games I play un-modded. A few have outstanding mods that I use. Another case is when a total conversion mod makes a new game to play.
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: trek on November 26, 2020, 09:17:00 AM
My name is trek and I'm a modaholic too. I'm embarrassed to say that I'm also a longtime repeat-offender of the worst kind. Mods have become like crack-cocaine for me. It's been going on awhile but has really intensified in the last couple years. This past march I probably spent a good two weeks going over all my mods and consolidating, un-installing and reinstalling especially with my weapon of choice the most powerful mod utility in the world: JSGME! It keeps beckoning to me "Go ahead use me, make my day!" And have I ever! Just to illustrate a few examples of my crimes:

Silent Hunter 5: Base game size: 6GB with 62 Mods=10GB

Men of War AS2: Base game size: 8GB with 60 Mods=89GB

Il-2 BOX: 60 Mods=12GB of Mods

Company of Heroes 1: I have five different versions of COH: COH Battle of Crete, COH Europe at War, COH Blitzkrieg 1 and 2 and finally COH The Great War. I don't even know how many gigs theses use and I don't want to know.

I have many more games fully modded but I won't bore you with the details of those. This disease has taken over not only my mind but my game playing time as well. Now granted many of these items include user created missions and campaigns especially for DCS and IL2-Box but still...

So, after having my lastest PC rig for just over a year and thinking that a 2TB SSD would be big enough to accomodate my addiction I'm at this moment down to 275GB of remaining free space. So, now I have to go through the humiliating and painful process of deciding which mods and or games I'm not playing much and uninstalling to make room for more new games and more mods.

Coupled with the fact that I'm currently at the height of my addiction (I check the DCS user files and IL-2 Box Mods and Missions forums almost on a daily basis) that I'm afraid of becoming suicidal. I need help and support!

Oh and BTW, I've also become a Mod Pusher" to support my habit! I've got some really good Tank Missions I've culled from IL-2 Tank Crew from my supplier the Frenchman "Tigre 88." It's called "Tank Mission Pack 139" and its' 99.99% pure. The high you will get from it will blow your mind!

Sorry is doing business in mods illegal on this forum? Please don't turn me in! Have pity! Remember it's a disease! I can't control myself!
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: Pete Dero on November 26, 2020, 09:37:10 AM
Oh and BTW, I've also become a Mod Pusher" to support my habit! I've got some really good Tank Missions I've culled from IL-2 Tank Crew from my supplier the Frenchman "Tigre 88." It's called "Tank Mission Pack 139" and its' 99.99% pure. The high you will get from it will blow your mind!

Who has to sleep with the fishes before we can have access to that.

Do I need friends to enjoy the pure stuff ?   (is it single player ?)
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: -budd- on November 26, 2020, 10:15:48 AM
My name is trek and I'm a modaholic too. I'm embarrassed to say that I'm also a longtime repeat-offender of the worst kind. Mods have become like crack-cocaine for me. It's been going on awhile but has really intensified in the last couple years. This past march I probably spent a good two weeks going over all my mods and consolidating, un-installing and reinstalling especially with my weapon of choice the most powerful mod utility in the world: JSGME! It keeps beckoning to me "Go ahead use me, make my day!" And have I ever! Just to illustrate a few examples of my crimes:

Silent Hunter 5: Base game size: 6GB with 62 Mods=10GB

Men of War AS2: Base game size: 8GB with 60 Mods=89GB

Il-2 BOX: 60 Mods=12GB of Mods

Company of Heroes 1: I have five different versions of COH: COH Battle of Crete, COH Europe at War, COH Blitzkrieg 1 and 2 and finally COH The Great War. I don't even know how many gigs theses use and I don't want to know.

I have many more games fully modded but I won't bore you with the details of those. This disease has taken over not only my mind but my game playing time as well. Now granted many of these items include user created missions and campaigns especially for DCS and IL2-Box but still...

So, after having my lastest PC rig for just over a year and thinking that a 2TB SSD would be big enough to accomodate my addiction I'm at this moment down to 275GB of remaining free space. So, now I have to go through the humiliating and painful process of deciding which mods and or games I'm not playing much and uninstalling to make room for more new games and more mods.

Coupled with the fact that I'm currently at the height of my addiction (I check the DCS user files and IL-2 Box Mods and Missions forums almost on a daily basis) that I'm afraid of becoming suicidal. I need help and support!

Oh and BTW, I've also become a Mod Pusher" to support my habit! I've got some really good Tank Missions I've culled from IL-2 Tank Crew from my supplier the Frenchman "Tigre 88." It's called "Tank Mission Pack 139" and its' 99.99% pure. The high you will get from it will blow your mind!

Sorry is doing business in mods illegal on this forum? Please don't turn me in! Have pity! Remember it's a disease! I can't control myself!

You sir are a modaholic GOD, I'm just a grade school modder compared to you.......I too have suffered the humiliation of having to uninstall a heavily modded game, O the pain. The last thing I'll uninstall these days is a modded game. So many mods for the original Combat Mission games, and the new ones. OOOOO.....new weathered winter camo....gotta have it. Extra levels or skins for my shooters...yes please. There's a new thing I learned with 7 Days to Die........there's this thing called modlets.......wait a minute...what.....you can get them in collections also....YES, count me in.

 Steam workshop is a godsend in this regard, easy, peasy to feed the addiction.
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: trek on November 26, 2020, 10:29:08 AM
So, BUDD you just had to do it didn't ya! You had to bring up Combat Mission! Yes I have four CM games installed and all heavily modded! You know it's just not a good idea to remind an addict of his other crimes especially if he didn't bring them up in the first place! Have you no pity? Shame on you!
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: Queeg on November 26, 2020, 10:57:57 AM
I'm a modaholic.  To the point that I'm mildly pissed when they release a patch because it breaks my mods. 
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: -budd- on November 26, 2020, 11:30:51 AM
So, BUDD you just had to do it didn't ya! You had to bring up Combat Mission! Yes I have four CM games installed and all heavily modded! You know it's just not a good idea to remind an addict of his other crimes especially if he didn't bring them up in the first place! Have you no pity? Shame on you!

I did pause for a second, then realized I'm an enabler. Hey, I don't judge O0 (that guy has a problem, no hope for him)
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: Redwolf on November 26, 2020, 05:41:13 PM
My Assetto Corsa install has more than 900 cars and more than 200 racetracks. Plus all the usual weather, star system, wet, custom shader mods. Heaviest modding I did since CMx1.
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: Tanaka on November 26, 2020, 07:30:02 PM
I tend to go minimalist on most mods, unless they dramatically improve a game.  As soon as I start to run into technical problems, I just stop using it for a few months.  If I'm still playing the game a few months later, and I browse through the workshop and see the mod, I might click on it just to see if it's been updated.

For me, the trick to maximizing enjoyment of mods is to apply the 20/80 rule.  20% of the mods I might want to use will deliver 80% of the improved game play out there.  When I try to get 100% of the improved game play out there, I just find myself at the bottom of a perfectionist doom loop where I spend so much time trying to perfect the game that I don't get any time to play it!

Yep I think a big part of the problem for me is my OCD make the game perfect issues which prevents me from actually playing!
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: Tanaka on November 26, 2020, 07:31:22 PM
My name is trek and I'm a modaholic too. I'm embarrassed to say that I'm also a longtime repeat-offender of the worst kind. Mods have become like crack-cocaine for me. It's been going on awhile but has really intensified in the last couple years. This past march I probably spent a good two weeks going over all my mods and consolidating, un-installing and reinstalling especially with my weapon of choice the most powerful mod utility in the world: JSGME! It keeps beckoning to me "Go ahead use me, make my day!" And have I ever! Just to illustrate a few examples of my crimes:

Silent Hunter 5: Base game size: 6GB with 62 Mods=10GB

Men of War AS2: Base game size: 8GB with 60 Mods=89GB

Il-2 BOX: 60 Mods=12GB of Mods

Company of Heroes 1: I have five different versions of COH: COH Battle of Crete, COH Europe at War, COH Blitzkrieg 1 and 2 and finally COH The Great War. I don't even know how many gigs theses use and I don't want to know.

I have many more games fully modded but I won't bore you with the details of those. This disease has taken over not only my mind but my game playing time as well. Now granted many of these items include user created missions and campaigns especially for DCS and IL2-Box but still...

So, after having my lastest PC rig for just over a year and thinking that a 2TB SSD would be big enough to accomodate my addiction I'm at this moment down to 275GB of remaining free space. So, now I have to go through the humiliating and painful process of deciding which mods and or games I'm not playing much and uninstalling to make room for more new games and more mods.

Coupled with the fact that I'm currently at the height of my addiction (I check the DCS user files and IL-2 Box Mods and Missions forums almost on a daily basis) that I'm afraid of becoming suicidal. I need help and support!

Oh and BTW, I've also become a Mod Pusher" to support my habit! I've got some really good Tank Missions I've culled from IL-2 Tank Crew from my supplier the Frenchman "Tigre 88." It's called "Tank Mission Pack 139" and its' 99.99% pure. The high you will get from it will blow your mind!

Sorry is doing business in mods illegal on this forum? Please don't turn me in! Have pity! Remember it's a disease! I can't control myself!

THIS LOL
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: W8taminute on November 26, 2020, 08:10:38 PM
I'm a modaholic.  To the point that I'm mildly pissed when they release a patch because it breaks my mods.

Same here.  Everytime there is an update to either American Truck Simulator or Eurotruck Simulator all my cool modded trucks get broken and my campaign gets messed up.  Mods ultimately caused me to stop playing two great games because of this. 
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: Tanaka on November 27, 2020, 12:45:28 PM
I'm a modaholic.  To the point that I'm mildly pissed when they release a patch because it breaks my mods.

Same here.  Everytime there is an update to either American Truck Simulator or Eurotruck Simulator all my cool modded trucks get broken and my campaign gets messed up.  Mods ultimately caused me to stop playing two great games because of this.

Exactly I use way too many mods for Paradox and Total War games and every update breaks them I then I don't play the game arghh...
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: gregb41352 on December 03, 2020, 08:11:26 PM
So, BUDD you just had to do it didn't ya! You had to bring up Combat Mission! Yes I have four CM games installed and all heavily modded! You know it's just not a good idea to remind an addict of his other crimes especially if he didn't bring them up in the first place! Have you no pity? Shame on you!

Speaking of Combat Mission, where are all the mods?  Still waiting for an early war France 1940ish or World War 1 mod.
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: Boggit on December 03, 2020, 08:14:32 PM
I used to always try to play the base game first, whatever it was. There are so many interesting titles now and so many more interesting mods that has become more and more difficult.

But still fun.
I'm the same.
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: -budd- on December 03, 2020, 08:36:28 PM
So, BUDD you just had to do it didn't ya! You had to bring up Combat Mission! Yes I have four CM games installed and all heavily modded! You know it's just not a good idea to remind an addict of his other crimes especially if he didn't bring them up in the first place! Have you no pity? Shame on you!

Speaking of Combat Mission, where are all the mods?  Still waiting for an early war France 1940ish or World War 1 mod.


here's the links I use for CM mods and scenarios.
https://www.thefewgoodmen.com/tsd3/
https://www.thefewgoodmen.com/cm-mod-warehouse/

CM1 game mods/scenarios
http://cmx1mods.greenasjade.net/
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: Boggit on December 04, 2020, 04:17:56 AM
I always play CM modded where possible. I am a huge fan of Juju's interface mod, Veins effects etc.

I'd love to see Battlefront do a 1940 DLC or WW1 DLC, but if it ever happens outside a mod - which will be awesome if that happens - it will be as a new game in line with the business model used to date.

@Trek... IIRC Long Left Flank did - or at least was working on - a Pacific War mod for Combat Mission. I haven't played it but the screen shots looked pretty cool. IIRC, you'll find it from -Budd-'s links, which BTW are a brilliant source for CM Mods.

Another good source for mods for a lot of games are Moddb and The Blitz Wargaming club.
Title: Re: Mod Use Dilimma
Post by: Sir Slash on December 04, 2020, 09:10:37 AM
There was a Pacific War mod and one for France 1940 for the original CM way back there. They were great but limited in scope.