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Re: Ray Rice
« Reply #60 on: September 10, 2014, 12:54:26 PM »
I don't think I know everything about this situation, but even if it did turn out that this was the first time Ray Rice abused a woman it doesn't give him a pass. There are some lines we're not supposed to cross ever. Being too drunk or too angry to maintain control is not an excuse.

I truly do hope he turns his life around and becomes a better human being, but he should pay the price he is for his actions.
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Re: Ray Rice
« Reply #61 on: September 10, 2014, 05:09:52 PM »
 I don't know what the future holds, but i pretty comfortable with the scumbag label or any other suitable term you want to apply to him and his actions. I couldn't really tell you what acts of contrition for however long would make me reevaluate my opinion of somebody that acted like he did in his situation. There are all kinds of scenarios that you could spin that might make you question the lifetime scumbag label. A person with PSTD, a person suffering from TBI,.... ect. ect. What extenuating circumstances would have to apply to avoid the scumbag forever label, i have no idea and can only make my judgments on a case by case basis. In this case i'm fine with the scumbag label. His total lack of concern after the fact pretty much seal's it for me, watching her head bounce off the rail and his lack of reaction to it   was enough for me. I have two boys about to enter adulthood soon and i hope i've demonstrated through my treatment and respect i show their mother and the sharing of my opinions on the subject that they would not engage in such behavior. I also have told them no matter where they are, in whatever state or country or no matter how old i am at the time i would be coming for them if i ever hear of them abusing a female. As to the emotional soup that situation would bring and whether or not i would apply the scumbag forever label to my own offspring  is a situation to terrible to ponder and a bridge i hope to never cross.
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Re: Ray Rice
« Reply #62 on: September 10, 2014, 05:38:22 PM »
I don't know what the future holds, but i pretty comfortable with the scumbag label or any other suitable term you want to apply to him and his actions. I couldn't really tell you what acts of contrition for however long would make me reevaluate my opinion of somebody that acted like he did in his situation. There are all kinds of scenarios that you could spin that might make you question the lifetime scumbag label. A person with PSTD, a person suffering from TBI,.... ect. ect. What extenuating circumstances would have to apply to avoid the scumbag forever label, i have no idea and can only make my judgments on a case by case basis. In this case i'm fine with the scumbag label. His total lack of concern after the fact pretty much seal's it for me, watching her head bounce off the rail and his lack of reaction to it   was enough for me. I have two boys about to enter adulthood soon and i hope i've demonstrated through my treatment and respect i show their mother and the sharing of my opinions on the subject that they would not engage in such behavior. I also have told them no matter where they are, in whatever state or country or no matter how old i am at the time i would be coming for them if i ever hear of them abusing a female. As to the emotional soup that situation would bring and whether or not i would apply the scumbag forever label to my own offspring  is a situation to terrible to ponder and a bridge i hope to never cross.

I couldn't agree more with every word you wrote, -budd-

My two sons, both of whom are now fine young men who make their Dad proud, they will tell you they got the same message from me about how to treat women that you gave your own boys. In adolescence I informed them that if I ever knew of either abusing a woman, for ten minutes they wouldn't be my blood and I would beat their asses like they were total strangers. It's never been an issue....they are respectful and are raising my grandsons to be the same way.
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Re: Ray Rice
« Reply #63 on: September 10, 2014, 06:11:35 PM »
Punching a woman in the face is not a mistake! Punching anyone in the face is not a mistake. It's a deliberate act of violence. How can you call it a mistake?!!

So if someone who has never hit a women before is stone drunk, gets into a heated argument and punches a woman they didn't make a mistake, it was some calculated move, some hidden inner desire?

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Re: Ray Rice
« Reply #64 on: September 10, 2014, 06:23:03 PM »
Uhh actually it was she who spit on him, not that that is an excuse for what he did. The odds of this being the first time are extremely high if you know anything about him and her.

From ProFootballTalk.com:

Three current or former security staffers of the now-bankrupt casino in Atlantic City described a grisly scene, with Rice spitting on his then-fiancee Janay Palmer twice.

One staffer who was at the scene said Rice’s first reaction when the elevator doors opened was to tell employees she was drunk.

“The first thing he [Rice] said is, ‘She’s intoxicated. She drank too much. I’m just trying to get her to the room,'” one said. “When she regained consciousness she said, ‘How could you do this to me? I’m the mother of your kid,'

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/10/rices-wife-how-could-you-do-this-to-me-im-the-mother-of-your-kid/
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Re: Ray Rice
« Reply #65 on: September 10, 2014, 07:10:48 PM »
Heh.  Trust ProFootballMock to make their point in a way no one can miss...   



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49ers Ray McDonald Sure Glad No Secret Footage Exists Of That Time He Punched His Fiancée


ANTA CLARA, CA – In the wake of the sudden release of Ravens RB Ray Rice, whose shockingly violent domestic assault on his then-fiancée was captured in February via a security camera in an Atlantic City casino elevator and subsequently leaked to the press early Monday morning, embattled 49ers DE Ray McDonald told reporters today that he, “sure is glad” that no secret video footage exists of that one time when he allegedly punched his pregnant fiancée in a horrifying fit of rage during an Aug. 31st birthday party at his San Jose residence.

“Whew, there but for the grace of God go I, y’know?” McDonald reportedly said while reading the news of Rice’s termination by the Ravens. “What happened to Ray is sad and all, but it’s a cautionary tale for all men: under no circumstances should you ever, EVER lay your hands on a woman in anger, if you think there might possibly be a security camera rolling nearby somewhere. That applies to pretty much any public place: parking lots, malls, elevators, etc. Part of being a mature NFL player means only striking your lady in the comfort of your own home, where your privacy can be assured.”

Added McDonald: “I mean, it’s just good business sense, career-wise. Roger Goodell has made it clear that he will NOT tolerate abuse of women. At least, not if any video footage that could embarrass the league is released to the public, anyway. And that’s a chance that we as players just can’t afford to take. If some hidden camera somewhere gets a good angle of you punching your chick when she starts getting mouthy, then your career could be FINISHED, man. That’s why I try to mentor the younger players by reminding them that they’re much better off smacking their girls in private, where all they’re risking is a much more sensible two to six week suspension, at the most.”

When shocked reporters suggested to McDonald that perhaps the better course of action would be to not strike women at all, under any circumstances, EVER, regardless of the existence of video cameras, McDonald tensed up for a moment, narrowed his eyes, then raised a hand as if to strike the assembled media pool while snarling, “You think you know better than me? I think maybe it’s time I give you a lesson in not talking back.”


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Re: Ray Rice
« Reply #66 on: September 10, 2014, 07:54:45 PM »
^  Touche. 
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Re: Ray Rice
« Reply #67 on: September 11, 2014, 08:11:34 AM »
Punching a woman in the face is not a mistake! Punching anyone in the face is not a mistake. It's a deliberate act of violence. How can you call it a mistake?!!

So if someone who has never hit a women before is stone drunk, gets into a heated argument and punches a woman they didn't make a mistake, it was some calculated move, some hidden inner desire?

I didn't know you were a mind reader but yes to what?

Yes.
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Re: Ray Rice
« Reply #68 on: September 11, 2014, 08:13:05 AM »

One staffer who was at the scene said Rice’s first reaction when the elevator doors opened was to tell employees she was drunk.


Maybe that guy didn't listen to the audio on the tape where the first thing said was by a security person and it was 'Shes drunk right' and Rice says nothing.

"In the videos that surfaced Monday, Rice and Palmer are seen hitting each other before he knocks her off her feet and into a railing.

The higher-quality video shown to the AP shows Rice made no attempt to cover up what happened. After Palmer collapses, he drags her out of the elevator and is met by some hotel staff. Someone is heard saying, "She's drunk, right?" And then, "No cops." Rice didn't respond."

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/longer-rice-video-features-obscenities-spitting-25369443
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Re: Ray Rice
« Reply #69 on: September 11, 2014, 08:15:45 AM »
I don't think I know everything about this situation, but even if it did turn out that this was the first time Ray Rice abused a woman it doesn't give him a pass. There are some lines we're not supposed to cross ever. Being too drunk or too angry to maintain control is not an excuse.

I truly do hope he turns his life around and becomes a better human being, but he should pay the price he is for his actions.

I have no problem with the punishment, he needs to pay the price for what he did. He has never made an excuse for what he did, he accepted that he did something very wrong and said he would take whatever punishment was deemed proper. To me that doesn't sound like a guy who does this all the time, it sounds like a guy who realized he fucked up big time and hurt a lot of people.
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Re: Ray Rice
« Reply #70 on: September 11, 2014, 01:18:29 PM »

Greg Hardy appealed the conviction, meaning he's up for a new trial, this time in front of a jury (his choice). If he's found guilty again, dude is hosed, and he should be. Until the trial is over, there isn't a whole lot that's going to be done.


So it's not the evidence that matters, it's if you are convicted of something?

In terms of league punishment, of course that's what matters, same as with any other employer...unless they want to face a wrongful termination lawsuit if one of these guys is found not guilty.

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Re: Ray Rice
« Reply #71 on: September 11, 2014, 02:43:39 PM »
with their code of conduct policy they have a lot of latitude even if they are found not guilty. Look at what went down with big ben he wasn't found guilty and sat for what.... 4 games if i remember correctly.  Being found not guilty....doesn't mean you didn't do it.
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Re: Ray Rice
« Reply #72 on: September 11, 2014, 06:57:37 PM »
with their code of conduct policy they have a lot of latitude even if they are found not guilty. Look at what went down with big ben he wasn't found guilty and sat for what.... 4 games if i remember correctly.  Being found not guilty....doesn't mean you didn't do it.

Plus the team can bench or cut anyone they want for any reason. Even if Rice won an appeal of his lifetime ban because of a double jeopardy situation , which he won't, no team would sign him so he would effectively be out of football.
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Re: Ray Rice
« Reply #73 on: September 11, 2014, 07:18:44 PM »
He's not getting back in. The way this thing went down and the way that it was totally mishandled, he will not be coming back as a player. Maybe he could someday as an assistant or something, but the last thing the NFL is ever going to want to see again is that video.

If this had been handled up front and he had been given and accepted a year suspension (and said and done all the "right things" during that year), I think he would have been able to come back and the general public would have accepted (ignored) it. It's too late for any of that now.
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Re: Ray Rice
« Reply #74 on: September 12, 2014, 06:39:10 AM »
He's not getting back in. The way this thing went down and the way that it was totally mishandled, he will not be coming back as a player. Maybe he could someday as an assistant or something, but the last thing the NFL is ever going to want to see again is that video.


I thought the same thing about Vick but time heals so it might be possible for him to play again though I think he should just find another vocation now and stick to it.
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