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Offline acctingman

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Advice needed on a couple games
« on: March 11, 2020, 11:28:27 AM »
So, I've been looking at a couple games and with my hobby budget spread so thin I need to be a little selective.

I've been looking at John Tiller's Panzer battles, Strategic Command WWII, Unity of Command 2 and the upcoming Panzer Corps 2. The ONLY knock for me about the Tiller game is the dated graphics. I've watched several videos of each game so I have some idea of what to expect with each game.

In order of complexity do I have this right?

Panzer Battles
Strategic Command WW2
Unity of Command 2
Panzer Corps 2

I'd love to hear comments about any of these games that you've personally experienced. Any other games you might recommend that aren't on my list?

Thanks


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Re: Advice needed on a couple games
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2020, 12:38:07 PM »
Order of Battle!
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Re: Advice needed on a couple games
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2020, 01:00:36 PM »
I suggest Order of Battle instead of Panzer Corps. 

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Re: Advice needed on a couple games
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2020, 01:30:10 PM »
 Get the Panzer Battles demo to try out, it has scenarios from all the releases. It's practically a whole games worth of material.

http://www.johntillersoftware.com/Demos.php
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Re: Advice needed on a couple games
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2020, 03:07:56 PM »
The Order of Battle series has been deeply discounted several times.  Unless you have run out of things to play, I would wait for the next sale.

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Re: Advice needed on a couple games
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2020, 06:59:16 PM »
Speaking of deeply discounted Panzer Generalish games (since I have no good opinion on the original question ;) ): Warhammer 40K: Armageddon and all its dlc is currently on a very good discount at GoG.
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Re: Advice needed on a couple games
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2020, 07:57:26 PM »
I was at work earlier so no time for opinions. 

I have all the Panzer Battles and SC games.

 Panzer Battles are my favorite Tiller series, hits the scale sweet spot for me between Squad Battles and Panzer Campaigns, they all control pretty similar. I find the graphics are good enough but i do wish there was another zoom level. The only thing that bugs me about PB is kicking enemy units out of defensive terrain especially when entrenched, i know its supposed to be hard but it sometimes seems a little suspect. Seems like nothing gets bounced out until its disrupted. The games are a good value, you get a good range of scenarios of different length. I haven't played much of the North Africa one yet, but Normandy is my favorite so far, I like the battles once the allies move inland. There are 3 different counters set to choose from that come with the game.
Here's a AAR of one of the battles in Normandy game.    http://www.theblitz.org/message_boards/showthread.php?tid=72286     Give the demo a spin to be sure its your thing.

I'm a recent convert to the SC series, about 3 years ago. I like them all but my favorite would be world at war, but  SC Europe is good, just a smaller chunk of the war. The one difference people mention is the different map scale between WAW and the Europe game, that aspect seems to put some people off. It's really a tried and true system at this point, a little deeper than beer and pretzels with more things to consider. These games are really fun in PBEM,and there seems to be no shortage of opponents. There are plenty of mods and some user made campaigns. The draw backs people comment on are the fact that there is no stacking, and the navel game is kind of shallow, and the turns are alternating between sides with each side getting one turn a month basically. These issues never bothered me and didn't get in the way of me enjoying the game. The SC games play quick and give lots of things to consider and many strategies to try.

i have both the original Panzer Corps and Unity of command games, didn't care for the puzzle nature of the games so i didn't buy the sequels.

Warplan is a game you might consider, its like SC but without events but with stacking and a different navel model, also there's oil, manpower, and production to consider. You can only one air, navel, or ground unit in a hex, so its not complete stacking. Two grounds unit can't be stacked, same with air or navel, but navel counters are groups.

Couple of more game i could recommend is Armored Brigade, i'm big fan of this game. I call it close combat in the saddle.  Speaking of Close Combat, the new 3d Close Combat got off to a rough start, but worth taking a look at it now, i'm enjoying it.


one more thing, Vic's Shadow Empire is due soon, first day buy for me.  https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tt.asp?forumid=1753 
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Re: Advice needed on a couple games
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2020, 04:38:15 AM »
I think Order of Battle has better game mechanics than PzC but the scenario design is horrible.

UoC II is great, especially if you enjoyed the first one.

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Re: Advice needed on a couple games
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2020, 09:26:08 PM »
Or if you didn't ;)

I bounced off the first one hard, but UOCII I like so far.

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Re: Advice needed on a couple games
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2020, 02:48:06 PM »
Shadow Empire has me about as close to nerdgasm as anything else Iíve seen lately.
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Re: Advice needed on a couple games
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2020, 02:53:29 PM »
I think Order of Battle has better game mechanics than PzC but the scenario design is horrible.

If you have the free Order of Battle (+ one paid DLC ?) you can have 21 campaigns for free :  http://www.grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=24338.0

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Re: Advice needed on a couple games
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2020, 10:55:26 PM »
Shadow Empire has me about as close to nerdgasm as anything else Iíve seen lately.

I've been trying really hard to not pay attention to that one.  It looks good, but I don't want to get over-hyped for it. 

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