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Re: Tanks!
« Reply #1350 on: September 11, 2017, 06:31:18 PM »
those blow up really nicely!
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Re: Tanks!
« Reply #1351 on: September 11, 2017, 06:53:15 PM »
You say so
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Re: Tanks!
« Reply #1352 on: September 11, 2017, 08:20:55 PM »
those blow up really nicely!

What, all three or four of them?
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Re: Tanks!
« Reply #1355 on: September 12, 2017, 05:57:56 PM »
It's true that the M4 had a shit-load of shortcomings. It's primary virtue was quantity. It's secondary virtue was reliability and repairability, force-multiplying it's first virtue.


The same can be said for the T-34, though it was also a great tank in a "Waaagh!"-kind of way.
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Re: Tanks!
« Reply #1356 on: September 13, 2017, 04:32:35 AM »
Its also likely that the M4 would have had a greater impact if more vehicles armed with the 17pdr / 76.2mm gun had been available.
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Re: Tanks!
« Reply #1357 on: September 13, 2017, 05:23:07 AM »
It's true that the M4 had a shit-load of shortcomings. It's primary virtue was quantity. It's secondary virtue was reliability and repairability, force-multiplying it's first virtue.

I always learned that the US never build tanks to fight tanks but mainly as an infantry support vehicle.

In theory when US tanks spotted enemy tanks they should rely on artillery or air support to defeat them.
Because of the bad weather in the early fases of the Battle of the Bulge, making air support impossible, the M4's had to be used in a real tank role and they showed their shortcomings.
When the weather cleared the fight was over.

The firefly (17 pdr gun) could take out most german tanks but remained very vulnerable as it still lacked the necessary armor to survive even a frontal 88mm hit.

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Re: Tanks!
« Reply #1358 on: September 13, 2017, 06:38:03 AM »
It's true that the M4 had a shit-load of shortcomings. It's primary virtue was quantity. It's secondary virtue was reliability and repairability, force-multiplying it's first virtue.

I always learned that the US never build tanks to fight tanks but mainly as an infantry support vehicle.

If you look at the history of US armor, that was true up until the end of WWII.  After that we started building tanks as standalone tanks - the M26, M48, M60, etc. The M41 was an aberration at the time, and the M551 was one of the dumbest ideas ever (hey, the Russians have an air-dropped tank; we need one too!)

Ironically, the next 'big' war where we deployed a lot of armor - Vietnam - was one where single tanks got parceled out as infantry support a lot.

After that, it's been tanks designed to fight in armor / mounted formations, which has forced the Marines to adapt to a less-than-ideal vehicle for the way they distribute tanks to their tank platoons.
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Re: Tanks!
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Re: Tanks!
« Reply #1360 on: September 13, 2017, 06:54:30 AM »
Wait until the Martians kick their asses.
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Re: Tanks!
« Reply #1361 on: September 13, 2017, 07:05:35 AM »
Le sigh..... their tanks can't work on Mars... not enough oxygen to have the fuel burn, or the crew breath.  :P
It gets to -100F at night... in the summer... at the equator... diesel fuel jells at -1 F.
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Re: Tanks!
« Reply #1362 on: September 13, 2017, 07:08:17 AM »
Still better conditions than Russia in winter.
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Re: Tanks!
« Reply #1363 on: September 13, 2017, 10:50:07 AM »
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Re: Tanks!
« Reply #1364 on: September 13, 2017, 10:52:48 AM »
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