I'm looking for a ww2 game where I can throw down some units and duke it out.
Combat Mission 2 series is NOT what I'm looking for (not for now....I'll tackle that beast later on)
I was looking at MoW AS2 and it looks like (with the addition of mods) it has most nations involved in ww2 and most of the units.
I like eye candy so older games aren't really for me. I know Steel Panthers is perfect for this, but I can't get over how "ugly" it looks.
Are there any other games I should be looking at instead of MoW AS2?
Thanks
Well, there's Company of Heroes, but I always get that confused with MoW, so perhaps there's no point in choosing one over the other. Something slightly more realistic (I think) is the Theatre of War series.
MoW AS 1 and 2 are fantastic. Very fun games. Although they are definitely RTS games at heart, they do implement some more authentic concepts, such as armor facing, ballistics, penetration, supply, LOS, cover and concealment and destruction of both.
Company of Heroes is decent, but its more of a traditional RTS with not so much as an afterthought toward authenticity.
The Theater of War games were promising, but ultimately failed to deliver a satisfying or rewarding experience.
I would definitely give the Assault Squad games a look. AS 2 is presently $7.49 on Steam. At that price, its a no-brainer.
I watched a video this morning on how to make your own battles via the editor....it looks complicated :uglystupid2:
Quote from: acctingman on April 12, 2016, 03:33:07 PM
I watched a video this morning on how to make your own battles via the editor....it looks complicated :uglystupid2:
So don't use the editor. Its totally unnecessary. The AS scenarios are pretty much all giant skirmish maps. They never get old.
I don't think you can go wrong with MoW2 -- it's an excellent and surprisingly detailed/deep game.
Still, if you have never played Company of Heroes -- man, you really should. Not CoH2 mind you -- I found the sequel quite disappointing. But the original CoH with the Opposing Fronts DLC is truly one of the most fun games -- not just WW2 games, but games period -- that I have ever played. The random/quick battles are a blast, and the campaigns are loads of fun too. JH is right that CoH doesn't place a premium on realism -- but I liken it to a Hollywood-ized version of WW2. It's like the Saving Private Ryan of WW2 games. Not very believable, but incredibly exciting action. (The attention to detail is sufficient in my view -- you'll get authentic units for the most part, even if they don't quite behave as they would in real life...)
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on April 12, 2016, 03:47:55 PM
Quote from: acctingman on April 12, 2016, 03:33:07 PM
I watched a video this morning on how to make your own battles via the editor....it looks complicated :uglystupid2:
So don't use the editor. Its totally unnecessary. The AS scenarios are pretty much all giant skirmish maps. They never get old.
Do the AS scenarios cover all theaters of war? Japan vs US? US vs Germany in North Africa?
I'd like the ability to play out any scenario I can
Yep MOW AS2 at 7 bucks is a steal. If you are interested in the game be sure to get and dl the ROBZ realism mod{which has a 5 star rating btw}. It adds way more units , more maps, realistic sounds/explosions and makes the ranges more realistic.
I highly recommend MOW2 over COH......Much deeper game in all aspects.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on April 12, 2016, 03:23:23 PM
MoW AS 1 and 2 are fantastic. Very fun games. Although they are definitely RTS games at heart, they do implement some more authentic concepts, such as armor facing, ballistics, penetration, supply, LOS, cover and concealment and destruction of both.
Detailed damage models....and the best part: direct control of units.
Men of War has a staggering amount of mods. Every conflict you can imagine.
Graviteam Tactics Muis front...easy decision.
Quote from: TacticalWargames on April 12, 2016, 08:47:21 PM
Graviteam Tactics Muis front...easy decision.
Thanks for the suggestion but this game only covers a small time frame of Eastern war between Germany and Russia.
I think the best RTS WW2 game for a lot of boom boom and eye candy is MoW AS2, much better than CoH2 in term of realism, control and amount of maps/ missions/ units.
My main issue with the MoW franchise is how unrealistically the ranges are calculated. I go and look at it now and then, but always come to the conclusion that limiting all ranges to about 10% of their real ranges is just too unrealistic. I wouldn't mind so much if they just limited the map size, but they actually scale all ranges down so that tanks are limited to 100-200 yards.
Quote from: RyanE on April 13, 2016, 04:06:07 AM
My main issue with the MoW franchise is how unrealistically the ranges are calculated. I go and look at it now and then, but always come to the conclusion that limiting all ranges to about 10% of their real ranges is just too unrealistic. I wouldn't mind so much if they just limited the map size, but they actually scale all ranges down so that tanks are limited to 100-200 yards.
We've discussed this before and I understand your criticism, but given that most of the maps are urban environments, or cluttered farms and woodlands, the criticism is not really relevant. The maps are small and most engagements take place at very close range. I can't think of any maps really where two tanks are sitting across wide open space within plain line of sight and they are unable to engage because of this alleged range limitation issue. It's just not something that is really noticeable to me, and if I felt it was really unrealistic, it would bother me. Just my .02.
But my understanding is that infantry weapons are also scaled down significantly. Is that correct?
Quote from: RyanE on April 13, 2016, 04:21:35 AM
But my understanding is that infantry weapons are also scaled down significantly. Is that correct?
Not appreciably. It's the same effect. The maps are designed so that most firefights take place within relatively short range, and at least to me, there is no obvious sensation that range has been articificially reduced. Engagements begin pretty much when and where I would expect them to. Assuming this is a real issue, they've done a tremendous job of masking it, or at least, minimizing its impact. It doesn't bother me...at all.
true..but it does it so well. Personally I'd rather have a smaller scope as far as enviroments etc go but with superb tactical gameplay and great on the realism front over a tactical wargame that has lots of enviroments and Nations but not as good when it comes to realism.
Plus Graviteam also has the grand tactical layer aswell which MOW2 doesn't have..or you can just play a quickly made user battle. The action in Graviteam is superb and just feels right.
Saying that I'd love to be able to play MOW and MOW 2 but just find to much micro management. I honestly don't know how to play them. It all ends up feeling out of my control and a click fest.
Quote from: acctingman on April 12, 2016, 09:01:07 PM
Quote from: TacticalWargames on April 12, 2016, 08:47:21 PM
Graviteam Tactics Muis front...easy decision.
Thanks for the suggestion but this game only covers a small time frame of Eastern war between Germany and Russia.