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Title: HMS Ocean Slated for Retirement
Post by: mirth on April 19, 2017, 12:36:18 PM
which would leave the RN without an operational carrier

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/9383/the-royal-navys-only-operational-aircraft-carrier-could-be-sold-to-brazil
Title: Re: HMS Ocean Slated for Retirement
Post by: GDS_Starfury on April 19, 2017, 03:24:05 PM
Im more surprised they have an operational carrier.
Title: Re: HMS Ocean Slated for Retirement
Post by: mirth on April 19, 2017, 03:27:19 PM
I'm more surprised you're posting during daylight hours.

Title: Re: HMS Ocean Slated for Retirement
Post by: Martok on April 26, 2017, 06:33:01 AM
Unfortunate news.  I mourn for the Royal Navy, and its ongoing decline. 




Quote from: mirth on April 19, 2017, 03:27:19 PM
I'm more surprised you're posting during daylight hours.
I admit to being mildly astonished as well.  :o 

Title: Re: HMS Ocean Slated for Retirement
Post by: bbmike on April 26, 2017, 06:54:07 AM
Quote from: mirth on April 19, 2017, 12:36:18 PM
which would leave the RN without an operational carrier

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/9383/the-royal-navys-only-operational-aircraft-carrier-could-be-sold-to-brazil

Not sure how I missed this. Here we go:
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aarcentral.com%2Fpics%2Frvp.gif&hash=527aa5c8ed0dd05a95a5f232458d4e6c68969a26)
Title: Re: HMS Ocean Slated for Retirement
Post by: mirth on October 18, 2017, 08:23:23 PM
The RN amphibious warfare ships may be next on the chopping block

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/15279/royal-navy-may-sacrifice-its-last-amphibious-ships-to-pay-for-its-new-carriers
Title: Re: HMS Ocean Slated for Retirement
Post by: GDS_Starfury on October 18, 2017, 10:29:34 PM
whos England assaulting navaly?
Title: Re: HMS Ocean Slated for Retirement
Post by: bayonetbrant on October 19, 2017, 05:09:58 AM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on October 18, 2017, 10:29:34 PM
whos England assaulting navaly?

they apparently assaulted your spellcheck
Title: Re: HMS Ocean Slated for Retirement
Post by: JudgeDredd on October 19, 2017, 05:58:30 AM
Every time the Tories get in power, they cut the forces. Public sector pay and manpower is hammered under the Tories.

The next step will be to have a privately funded armed forces. I shit you not. They fucking HATE public expenditure.

Falklands Conflict - Thatchers government was in the process of running the armed forces down.
When things "get old" it's fine to think "They have to go"...but you have to think about replacement...and they never want to because they do not like any public costs. I think they've got better things to do with the money - like line their own fucking pockets or by votes in the House of Commons with the DUP!!

I guarantee you we would not have these two carriers being built if Labour hadn't fucked up and made it so bloody expensive for them to be cancelled....and in fact probably done so knowing that the Tories were going to get into power before they were completed.

Makes me sick seeing that twat Fallon siting there taking credit for those carriers coming into service everytime he's asked about the forces being run down!!

Please - don't get me fucking started on those fuckwits.
Title: Re: HMS Ocean Slated for Retirement
Post by: mirth on October 19, 2017, 06:06:23 AM
The worst part is the ships they're looking at cutting now aren't old at all. Ocean's been in service for about 20 years, the Albions were launched in 2001.
Title: Re: HMS Ocean Slated for Retirement
Post by: JudgeDredd on October 19, 2017, 06:35:14 AM
oh - I know - that makes it all the more infuriating
Title: Re: HMS Ocean Slated for Retirement
Post by: BanzaiCat on October 19, 2017, 11:20:36 AM
The most eye-opening conversation I had about UK politics was with my Scots co-worker discussing why Thatcher was a brutal mess of a leader. I'd always thought Thatcher was the UK's version of Reagan.
Title: Re: HMS Ocean Slated for Retirement
Post by: JudgeDredd on October 20, 2017, 07:33:24 AM
To some

She did take over Britain at a difficult time and she did kick start the economy in a way no Labour government could've at the time. But she did some pretty poor things too.

An example is selling off council housing stock. This left councils having to house people in the private sector. That is part of the reason why, today, we have a HUGE welfare bill - because councils are having to pay ever increasing rents. With the lowest unemployment for decades - we have a huge welfare bill. How does that make sense? We've got more people in work living in poverty than ever before.

They needed to build more council housing to ease pressure on the market but - more importantly - charge rents that are not just in it for making a killing. These people can't afford houses themselves. So if they can't get them, the council is footing this ever-increasing bill.

If you've got public sector needing to provide something and that something only coming from the private sector, then the public purse is going to be raided! That will always happen. Certain things need to be under public ownership. Housing for people who can't afford to buy or rent is one of them.
Title: Re: HMS Ocean Slated for Retirement
Post by: trailrunner on October 20, 2017, 08:26:28 AM
Meanwhile, the Chinese are building their carrier fleet.  It's nothing especially noteworthy now, but China takes the long view.
Title: Re: HMS Ocean Slated for Retirement
Post by: mirth on October 20, 2017, 08:29:08 AM
The Brits will have their two carriers. Just without air wings or any other ships in the fleet :P
Title: Re: HMS Ocean Slated for Retirement
Post by: BanzaiCat on October 24, 2017, 01:14:02 PM
Well, the HMS Queen Elizabeth is undergoing trials and should be ready to join the fleet/be commissioned before the end of the year, or so I thought, so maybe this isn't that big of a deal.

Also with the slew of Type 46s they're building up in Scotland, seems they're modernizing pretty well.
Title: Re: HMS Ocean Slated for Retirement
Post by: mirth on January 03, 2018, 08:32:08 PM
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/17315/brazil-is-reportedly-buying-the-royal-navys-only-helicopter-carrier-on-the-cheap
Title: Re: HMS Ocean Slated for Retirement
Post by: mirth on February 10, 2018, 09:29:49 AM
QuoteHMS Ocean receives a water salute while making her way into HMNB Devonport for the final time prior to decommissioning. February 9, 2018

(https://i.redd.it/nvki8nmp9bf01.jpg)