So.. GJK said he received shipping notification late last week. Anyone else?
I show being charged after Friday but still no shipping notification Monday evening. Perhaps they had quite a few to send out and I'm one of the last (per usual). :-[
I've been looking forward to this one more than most of my many recent acquisitions.
Clarification: I received a notice that my card was charged (it was) on 11/14 but didn't receive a shipping notice.
Looking at the last GMT update, it says that:
"...that will allow us to ship the following two games starting this Friday, November 15:
C&C Napoleonics: The Austrian Army
No Retreat: The North African Front"
Then:
"We anticipate another P500 shipment probably about ten days after that one with these two games included:
The Dark Valley
The Hunters (Consim Press)"
So that would put the ship date for The Hunters on or around the 25th - about a week from today.
I stopped by Half Price Books today to look for a good U-Boat book but found none. I had an ebook that I don't recall the name of but do remember that it was written by a former U-boat commander and translated to English. I may have to resort to reading it on my tablet though I'd prefer a regular book. I'll have to see what that ebook was. Any other recommendations on a good read to get one in the mood for The Hunters?
Quote from: GJK on November 18, 2013, 10:29:32 PMAny other recommendations on a good read to get one in the mood for The Hunters?
I'd have to really dive deep into my library to find something to recommend. If I can't come up with something, maybe someone could sub in for me as an advisor to help you out.
Quote from: bayonetbrant on November 19, 2013, 07:07:31 AM
Quote from: GJK on November 18, 2013, 10:29:32 PMAny other recommendations on a good read to get one in the mood for The Hunters?
I'd have to really dive deep into my library to find something to recommend. If I can't come up with something, maybe someone could sub in for me as an advisor to help you out.
All I have in my library is
Operation Drumbeat and
Das Boot. Maybe someone else will dive in here with more suggestions.
Iron Coffins (http://www.amazon.com/Iron-Coffins-Personal-Account-Battles/dp/030681160X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1384865622&sr=8-1&keywords=iron+coffins) is the book that I was thinking of. It was a free Kindle download a while back and added it to my library but haven't begun to read it yet.
ARGH! Puns! Not here in the world of real wargaming!!! >:(
Yeah I'm really looking forward to this game as well.... but the way it's going it'll show up on my door step the day after I leave on vacation for a month.... :P
Quote from: Barthheart on November 19, 2013, 07:56:06 AMARGH! Puns! Not here in the world of real wargaming!!! >:(
You're right. We shouldn't torpedo another thread with ridiculous humor. Let's get back to slinging dice, sink the puns, and let the wargaming surface above the depths of our otherwise pun-tastic depravity.
Quote from: bayonetbrant on November 19, 2013, 09:11:51 AM
Quote from: Barthheart on November 19, 2013, 07:56:06 AMARGH! Puns! Not here in the world of real wargaming!!! >:(
You're right. We shouldn't torpedo another thread with ridiculous humor. Let's get back to slinging dice, sink the puns, and let the wargaming surface above the depths of our otherwise pun-tastic depravity.
>:(
Quote from: GJK on November 18, 2013, 10:29:32 PM
Clarification: I received a notice that my card was charged (it was) on 11/14 but didn't receive a shipping notice.
Looking at the last GMT update, it says that:
"...that will allow us to ship the following two games starting this Friday, November 15:
C&C Napoleonics: The Austrian Army
No Retreat: The North African Front"
Then:
"We anticipate another P500 shipment probably about ten days after that one with these two games included:
The Dark Valley
The Hunters (Consim Press)"
So that would put the ship date for The Hunters on or around the 25th - about a week from today.
I stopped by Half Price Books today to look for a good U-Boat book but found none. I had an ebook that I don't recall the name of but do remember that it was written by a former U-boat commander and translated to English. I may have to resort to reading it on my tablet though I'd prefer a regular book. I'll have to see what that ebook was. Any other recommendations on a good read to get one in the mood for The Hunters?
There's Clay Blair's two volume Hitler's U-boat War, the first volume of which is called The Hunters. Blair was in US submarines in WWII, but his books on the U-boats are comprehensive and tell plenty of stories as well as doing some fundamental statistical analyses.
Second the recommendation regarding Clay Blair's two books on the subject - have them both, good read
I'll keep an eye out for copies of those books, thanks.
Meanwhile, some game related videos are going up:
http://www.screencast.com/users/consimworld/folders/The%20Hunters
Have you guys seen this site:
http://www.uboatarchive.net/KTBList.htm
This page has actual patrol logs from U-boat commanders. It's very interesting reading.
Quote from: GJK on November 18, 2013, 10:29:32 PM
Clarification: I received a notice that my card was charged (it was) on 11/14 but didn't receive a shipping notice.
Looking at the last GMT update, it says that:
"...that will allow us to ship the following two games starting this Friday, November 15:
C&C Napoleonics: The Austrian Army
No Retreat: The North African Front"
Then:
"We anticipate another P500 shipment probably about ten days after that one with these two games included:
The Dark Valley
The Hunters (Consim Press)"
So that would put the ship date for The Hunters on or around the 25th - about a week from today.
Yeah, that's the one I saw. I had thought you mentioned a specific email to you. Doah! Got me all excited.. then worried.
This was posted on 'The Geek' by someone listed from Consimworld:
Quote
I don't know if you saw this mentioned, but initial shipping to preorder customers will start Friday, Dec. 6.
Quote from: bayonetbrant on November 19, 2013, 09:11:51 AM
Quote from: Barthheart on November 19, 2013, 07:56:06 AMARGH! Puns! Not here in the world of real wargaming!!! >:(
You're right. We shouldn't torpedo another thread with ridiculous humor. Let's get back to slinging dice, sink the puns, and let the wargaming surface above the depths of our otherwise pun-tastic depravity.
I'm watching you, my lad. Don't get carried away by the pressure.
Wouldn't want to go around the bends, now would we?
This thread looks to have been scuttled with scuttlebutt.
To help steer us back on course, a custom battle mat is available for download on the Consimpress website:
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftalk.consimworld.com%2FWebX%3F233%40%40.1dd59bc8%2F836%21enclosure%3D.1dda6210&hash=efbea08b32a428cef0a437d8eb76f8e7afb44ae0)
http://www.consimpress.com/downloads/the-hunters/ (http://www.consimpress.com/downloads/the-hunters/)
This is a pretty good testimonial:
QuoteWow!
I just finished my first game on Vassal. I didn't have the patience to wait for my hard copy of the game to arrive, so I started last Friday when the module was released and played a few sessions over the weekend and today. I started with a Type VIIA boat (U-30) in September '39 and managed to survive until January '41. An RAF ASW bomber sent my Type VIIC (U-301) to the bottom off the coast of Spain, but not before I had sunk 118,900 tons of Allied shipping, including the Royal Oak BB. I managed to earn a Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves before my career was cut short.
What an engrossing and fun gaming experience this is. It is not simply a dice-rolling fest. There are crucial decisions to be made which affect success, failure and even survival. It is possibly one of the best purpose-built solitaire games I've ever played. I know one play isn't enough to base a valid opinion on, but all I can say right now is - wow! Bravo Greg Smith and all connected with this game's production.
http://talk.consimworld.com/WebX?14@@.1dd59bc8/887
Grrrr! Not going to get my hands on my copy until after I return from a month in the sun.
Will have to fire up the VASSAL module and give it a go.
Yeah, I'm thinking that it's about time to at least start reading the rules. The physical copy of the game should be here as early as next week some time and the VASSAL module is ready now with a ZunTzu gamebox coming (getting updated). This game sounds like it would make for a good AAR on Grogheads here.
Maybe if enough of us get the game we could run a tourney here. Something like the B-17 squadron play run at BGG....
Quote from: Barthheart on December 09, 2013, 03:52:22 PM
Maybe if enough of us get the game we could run a tourney here. Something like the B-17 squadron play run at BGG....
That would be cool. Has anybody else pre-ordered this game here besides me and you that you know of?
That
Quote from: GJK on December 09, 2013, 03:56:50 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on December 09, 2013, 03:52:22 PM
Maybe if enough of us get the game we could run a tourney here. Something like the B-17 squadron play run at BGG....
That would be cool. Has anybody else pre-ordered this game here besides me and you that you know of?
That
I don't know of any others..... :-\
For anybody else, you can still get the game at the P500 price for a few more days; $28.00:
http://www.gmtgames.com/p-374-the-hunters.aspx
I'm feeling confident that this is going to be the new "B-17 Queen of the Skies". Actually, I think that it'll be better with more things to do (decision making).
Quote from: GJK on December 09, 2013, 04:02:36 PM
For anybody else, you can still get the game at the P500 price for a few more days; $28.00:
http://www.gmtgames.com/p-374-the-hunters.aspx
I'm feeling confident that this is going to be the new "B-17 Queen of the Skies". Actually, I think that it'll be better with more things to do (decision making).
+1 what he said!
Forgot but Nefaro has it on pre-order as well. We can probably put together something to cover a "wolf-pack" on several patrols for the site here.
Quote from: GJK on December 09, 2013, 04:08:25 PM
Forgot but Nefaro has it on pre-order as well. We can probably put together something to cover a "wolf-pack" on several patrols for the site here.
Sounds good.... something like we all leave the same port on the same start date and all sail to the same patrol area and see who can get the most tonnage?
Quote from: Barthheart on December 09, 2013, 04:12:20 PM
Quote from: GJK on December 09, 2013, 04:08:25 PM
Forgot but Nefaro has it on pre-order as well. We can probably put together something to cover a "wolf-pack" on several patrols for the site here.
Sounds good.... something like we all leave the same port on the same start date and all sail to the same patrol area and see who can get the most tonnage?
That sounds like fun. Maybe keep some running posts of the patrol logs for comparisons. Also to see who can live the longest.
Quote from: GJK on December 09, 2013, 04:17:56 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on December 09, 2013, 04:12:20 PM
Quote from: GJK on December 09, 2013, 04:08:25 PM
Forgot but Nefaro has it on pre-order as well. We can probably put together something to cover a "wolf-pack" on several patrols for the site here.
Sounds good.... something like we all leave the same port on the same start date and all sail to the same patrol area and see who can get the most tonnage?
That sounds like fun. Maybe keep some running posts of the patrol logs for comparisons. Also to see who can live the longest.
Yeah exactly! Have you seen the "actual" U-boat style log on BGG? Someone have made one that can be edited to resemble real uboat logs.
This site has some real logs that have been translated... very interesting reading....
http://uboatarchive.net/KTBList.htm
Quote from: GJK on December 09, 2013, 03:56:50 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on December 09, 2013, 03:52:22 PM
Maybe if enough of us get the game we could run a tourney here. Something like the B-17 squadron play run at BGG....
That would be cool. Has anybody else pre-ordered this game here besides me and you that you know of?
That
Uhhh... me!
I also just received my copy of
Picket Duty although I'm not sure how it stacks up in the soitaire decision department yet.
Quote from: GJK on December 09, 2013, 04:02:36 PM
For anybody else, you can still get the game at the P500 price for a few more days; $28.00:
http://www.gmtgames.com/p-374-the-hunters.aspx
I'm feeling confident that this is going to be the new "B-17 Queen of the Skies". Actually, I think that it'll be better with more things to do (decision making).
It comes up $40 for me. :(
Quote from: Staggerwing on December 09, 2013, 07:58:54 PM
Quote from: GJK on December 09, 2013, 04:02:36 PM
For anybody else, you can still get the game at the P500 price for a few more days; $28.00:
http://www.gmtgames.com/p-374-the-hunters.aspx (http://www.gmtgames.com/p-374-the-hunters.aspx)
I'm feeling confident that this is going to be the new "B-17 Queen of the Skies". Actually, I think that it'll be better with more things to do (decision making).
It comes up $40 for me. :(
You literally missed it by a few hours because when I posted that link, it still showed P500: $28. Bummer. Check with Chris at NWS, I bet he can still get it cheap.
Dang, he gets it even cheaper than what I P500'd it for!
http://yhst-12000246778232.stores.yahoo.net/hugboga.html
Oh well, at least my pre-order helped to get the thing printed.
Thanks man! Just ordered- $38 bucks w/ shipping. :) :)
Quote from: Staggerwing on December 09, 2013, 09:19:15 PM
Thanks man! Just ordered- $38 bucks w/ shipping. :) :)
Cool - another patrol will soon be ready to set sail for the Fatherland!
I call dibs on the first Type-XXI!
Quote from: Staggerwing on December 09, 2013, 09:43:09 PM
I call dibs on the first Type-XXI!
You'll have to survive long enough to get one first!
Drat. I was hoping for an unlock code... :D
The game just started arriving on peoples doorsteps!
Reee! (Pterodactyl excitement)
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Furl%3Fsa%3Di%26amp%3Bsource%3Dimages%26amp%3Bcd%3D%26amp%3Bdocid%3D358-lPHhbJp9cM%26amp%3Btbnid%3DZRF5RS47dWRGCM%3A%26amp%3Bved%3D0CAUQjBw%26amp%3Burl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fs2.quickmeme.com%252Fimg%252F64%252F64753b2e457911650edeceef9f619c9af4897d8f9122bbea35795101eeba9566.jpg%26amp%3Bei%3DcA2qUq3KI82qqAG0oICgBA%26amp%3Bpsig%3DAFQjCNFP3hSa5DYzDEm2uKK7aC8uAZIkwA%26amp%3Bust%3D1386962672643910&hash=940b75056d18d0b68f44fe4243e215ffb18d3956)
I'm driving home now and I have a gut feeling that my copy will be on my doorstep. If it isn't or it doesn't appear by the weekend, I'm going to start a game using the newly released ZunTzu game box for it.
See the messages on CSW starting here (http://talk.consimworld.com/WebX?14@@.1dd59bc8/901) for info about the ZunTzu gamebox, errata and a live demoing of the game.
Quote from: Barthheart on December 09, 2013, 03:52:22 PM
Maybe if enough of us get the game we could run a tourney here. Something like the B-17 squadron play run at BGG....
A distinct possibility.
I'm sure we can 'drum up' a few players once everyone has their copy.
Quote from: Staggerwing on December 12, 2013, 07:18:57 PM
I'm sure we can 'drum up' a few players once everyone has their copy.
I ordered mine tonight.
Any of you gonna be lucky enough to get it by the weekend?
Sounds like they started shipping alphabetically for last name, first. :'(
So I take it that your last name isn't anything close to Zyzynski then...
Quote from: Staggerwing on December 12, 2013, 10:34:33 PM
So I take it that your last name isn't anything close to Zyzynski then...
Closer to Z than A. :-[
I had a "key" in my mailbox for one of the oversized boxes and thought for sure that mine had arrived. Instead, it was an RPG book that I had ordered (Aces & Eights). Drats! Maybe tomorrow or Saturday but again, I'll probably start a game using the ZunTzu gamebox anywho. Need to finish the rules first though....
Quote from: GJK on December 13, 2013, 12:04:44 AM
I had a "key" in my mailbox for one of the oversized boxes and thought for sure that mine had arrived. Instead, it was an RPG book that I had ordered (Aces & Eights). Drats! Maybe tomorrow or Saturday but again, I'll probably start a game using the ZunTzu gamebox anywho. Need to finish the rules first though....
I've never used Vassal or ZunTzu. I've debated picking one of those up at some point, for when I didn't want to put something out on the table for long periods. What are the differences between the two, and their costs?
AFA the differences, I'm just a n00b as well but VASSAL has a boatload of customizable features such as having your pieces step down in strength as they take damage and show that in the counter itself and whatnot while ZunTzu is a bare-bones single-image counters and map kinda deal.
As far as cost goes: FREE!!! both of them!
As stagger said, both of these tools are completely free so they really should be in your arsenal of gaming utilities. VASSAL has far more support in the way of users and games that are available. It is continually being updated with more features being added all the time. Currently, VASSAL uses Java to run. I've had no problems with it whatsoever, but some are understandably leery of Java. VASSAL in of itself is not difficult to install and to start using. There is a learning curve however if you want to start making your own modules. VASSAL support solitaire play, online (live) play via their central servers (nothing to register for) and pbem. VASSAL offers the ability to automate several things; automatically place damage markers, move pieces to map locations, etc. It all depends on what the module designer puts in to it.
ZunTzu (www.zuntzu.com (http://www.zuntzu.com)) has the slickest interface (I think) with nice zoom features. Jerome is the programer and even though he mentioned working on version 2.0 (that would include support for tablets), he's fallen quiet about it for some time. Still, the current version works wonderfully. Installing it is easy via a browser (uses .net I believe) and making "game boxes" for it is really very simple. ZT only supports solo and live play though (no pbem). Jerome's philosophy for ZT was to make a virtual copy of a physical boardgame meaning that you have to pick the pieces off the countersheet. You have to shuffle and deal the cards. You roll virtual dice. Nothing is automated but everything that comes with your game is there for you.
Here's some screenshots of Bill Barrett's "official" gamebox for The Hunters: http://talk.consimworld.com/WebX?14@@.1dd39396/595 (http://talk.consimworld.com/WebX?14@@.1dd39396/595)
Thanks guys. For some reason I had thought that Vassal cost a bit and didn't know much about ZunTzu. The latter looks pretty cool, especially being the dice & card whore that I am. The IE browser install is a bit odd.
I may give this a spin this weekend if the game doesn't miraculously show up tonight. I still have Picket Duty on the table but I'm waiting to see if I can get some clarification on something before continuing my campaign in that one.
I made an ebook (.chm, compiled help file for Windows) of the rules last night that includes the errata and the charts (with errata as well). I can throw a copy of it up on the ASL Dropbox folder that I have shared out to some of you. If you're interested and you're not on the ASL Dropbox shared folder list, PM me your email address and I'll share out the folder to you. Here's some screenshots of it:
That is so cool! Thanks for all that work- where do you find the time? :o
Quote from: Staggerwing on December 14, 2013, 07:18:25 AM
That is so cool! Thanks for all that work- where do you find the time? :o
No date on a Friday night so I played "solitaire". ;)
Nice.
What format is that in? Looks like a Windows Help file. ???
Quote from: Nefaro on December 14, 2013, 02:31:28 PM
Nice.
What format is that in? Looks like a Windows Help file. ???
It is (.chm). I can open it on Windows, Mac, IOS or Android with no problems (and appropriate apps for all but Windows PC).
Starting to think I'm the last one on the shipping list.
Still no notification from GMT and UPS shows nothing coming. :'(
You're not alone. I'm still waiting for my copy from NWS. I hope it ships soon.
Quote from: Staggerwing on December 15, 2013, 04:46:39 PM
You're not alone. I'm still waiting for my copy from NWS. I hope it ships soon.
I've rarely known NWS to be fast. They're nice for saving a few bucks if you're not in a hurry to get something. Pretty sure they have it shipped to them from the manufacturer first, then turn it around. My last order took about 2 weeks to get here and that isn't unusual. Nothing against Chris & NWS.. just know that it can take some time.
Not sure how they handle pre-order stuff, though.
True. I am also still waiting for my copy of Ogre: Designer's edition from NWS. I got a shipping notice on that one but it's the 'Electronic Shipping Info Received' one that indicates the Post Office is waiting to get it and ship it out.
Evidently GMT uses your Order # as a shipping reference number with UPS.
So if you had yours shipped via OOPS-Man, you can use the "Track By Reference" tab on their website tracker. Enter your GMT order number from you account page there, narrow down the shipping dates to December, and enter your destination zip code and it should narrow it down enough to find yours (if it shipped).
Turns out mine was shipped Friday and won't be here until Thursday (probably dark evening). ;) Considering I was in the last of the bunch to be shipped, I'd expect many of you to have it by then, or earlier.
Mine just showed up this afternoon.
Oddly enough, the 'OOPS-Man' seems to be running more efficiently than they were 2 weeks ago, in my area.
Good to know that UPS is bringing it; wasn't sure if it would be UPS or USPS (or FedEx). Still no show here though somebody else in town got there's.
Quote from: GJK on December 18, 2013, 08:31:35 PM
Good to know that UPS is bringing it; wasn't sure if it would be UPS or USPS (or FedEx). Still no show here though somebody else in town got there's.
I'm pretty sure they offered both options when you checked out.
As I said, you can check the GMT order number for it on their website under your login. Then enter that in UPS' tracking thing as detailed above to find out when yours should be arriving. Or just sign up for the UPS thing that will show you everything currently coming to your home...
Since GMT evidentally doesn't notify about it's shipping with any regularity, I decided to check that way to make sure it was shipped. Don't wanna be waiting for weeks only to find out that my order disappeared in the bustle.
As for the game it looks pretty spartan, with little embellishment, after playing Picket Duty recently (which has some wonderful artwork & components). But it looks like fun and despite the length of the rulebook it looks pretty simple to learn.
Check out the user made playing surfaces posted on BGG.... they are really impressive! :o
Yeah, someone put a lot of time into it. Although it's too abnormally short & wide-looking for my tastes.
Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I've had my eye on the third printing of The Hunters for a while, now. It's only $31 for a P500 order. But, it's been at that status for a while and I cannot find any good information on whether or not GMT thinks it's going to 'make the cut.'
I only have a vague idea of how P500 works (I've never invested in one). I'd love to back this, but am not to sure about the wait time. One month? Ten months? I'm guessing that's impossible to determine as the publisher has to wait for X number of copies to be pre-ordered (500?) before sending it to print and shipping them out. Is that right?
Regardless, if anyone has heard anything new on this please post here. The newest threads I can find online are a few weeks old and don't posit anything regarding its status.
You are correct about the P500. No ones knows when or if the product will reach the magic number, which isn't alway 500... don't ask. :P
It be days, it could be years.... but you don't actually get charged until it's actually shipping.
Great game. You should be able to find gently used copies of the previous editions.....
Thanks, Barth. My luck, I'll have $30 in the bank when they decide to move forward and charge me $31, so it'll end up costing me $61. Lol...
GMT games tend to linger much longer on their P500 than say MMP. I've had the reprint of "Fields of Fire" on P500 for a couple of years now and it's met its number- they keep pushing back the print date on it. I'm with Barthheart- I'd pick up a used copy as I don't think the 3rd printing is going to change/add anything (but I may be mistaken). This guy has been trying to sell his (new) copy for a while now and it may still be available:
http://talk.consimworld.com/WebX/.ee7011b/81063
GMT's production schedule has been extremely backed up for awhile.
Their monthly (or bi-monthly?) newsletters have been talking about how backed up they are for the past year or more. They reportedly just moved to a larger location. But I get the secret impression that their manpower has also been overwhelmed, or there is too little being delegated. Not enough decision-making people to keep many of their metaphorical production plates spinning at once??
As for The Hunters, it's enjoyable in short stretches. I think the sequel, Silent Victory is a bit better.
Being a Reprint P500, GMT may give it the go-ahead if it doesn't quite make the 500 mark. They've already done all the pre-production heavy lifting, therefore much of that extra cost doesn't need to be made up. IIRC, they did this with some other reprint awhile back.
I guess I'm just wanting to know what their number is at right now. 100? 350? 499?
Makes sense that they'd just send a reprint order to the printer. I mean, as long as they make a profit on each of those $31 sales, and I'm sure they do if they do it in bulk, but less than that and who knows.
I've seen copies of The Hunters online but for a lot more than $31. I do like Silent Victory a lot, so if this is less of a game I might take it off my radar. I like the extras in SV, such as promotions, decorations, and so forth.
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on August 12, 2016, 04:05:02 PM
I do like Silent Victory a lot, so if this is less of a game I might take it off my radar. I like the extras in SV, such as promotions, decorations, and so forth.
It's almost exactly like Silent Victory, but with the different (smaller) U-boats & North Atlantic of course. But SV had some little improvements here & there, and better components, being the second in the series.
If you played one, you've pretty much played them both.
I saw it for a ridiculous amount on Amazon before...but as was said, those 3rd party sellers tend to really jack up the price.
If I can find it for cheap, I might go for it...I dunno. I have my hands full with SV right now.
I have been playing The Hunters a LOT over this past week..enough to run through eight complete campaigns.
Two of my Kapitans have lasted the entire war, most, sadly, have not.
KPlt Friedrich Bader, this last campaign, have has the most remarkable run. Unprecedented, and inexpressibly odd and unusual that it borders on the Twilight Zone. Let me explain.
Starting in 9/39, before his sub (VIIB) was sunk in 7/42, he sank the following:
--232,200 tons of shipping.
--The CL Dauntless, the CA Sussex, the CVE Dasher, the CV's Hermes and Courageous, and the Battleship Hood. SIX!! capital ships.
I just kept rolling capital ships, in about every other mission. Just remarkable.
I was kind of the same way when my captain in Silent Victory sank the Akagi in early '42. I keep wanting to get back to this game but others keep coming through the coverage queue.
Quote from: BanzaiCat on July 27, 2017, 06:22:06 AM
I was kind of the same way when my captain in Silent Victory sank the Akagi in early '42. I keep wanting to get back to this game but others keep coming through the coverage queue.
Once you get used to the system, you can crank through patrols very, very fast. A real sense of progression.
Not sure if I want The Hunted, 1943-1945. I am having a hard enough time surviving as it is.
I keep thinking I want it myself, but I have U-Boat Leader from DVG, which is a pretty good game in and of itself. If Hunters is like SV, well...I guess it's more of a thematic appeal than anything else. I might eventually get it if the situation is right (e.g. stupid cheap price and I'd be an idiot to pass on it).
Quote from: BanzaiCat on July 28, 2017, 08:18:16 AM
...I'd be an idiot to pass on it).
You'd be an idiot to pass on it.
Quote from: Barthheart on July 28, 2017, 09:07:37 AM
Quote from: BanzaiCat on July 28, 2017, 08:18:16 AM
...I'd be an idiot to pass on it).
You'd be an idiot to pass on it.
I can always rely on these forums to reinforce my addictions.
Like you need the help.
Reinforcement is always a positive thing.
I'll sell you my copy. It's just not really my thing. I guess it's similar to Target for Today in that you're basically creating a narrative by rolling on various charts and tables in order to tell the story of each mission. There's just not enough player choice in the game for my tastes.
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on July 28, 2017, 10:03:48 AM
I'll sell you my copy. It's just not really my thing. I guess it's similar to Target for Today in that you're basically creating a narrative by rolling on various charts and tables in order to tell the story of each mission. There's just not enough player choice in the game for my tastes.
PM me your quote, sir. I might or might not be able to meet it.
So, you don't like Target For Today, then? You posted some interesting stuff in your AAR thread.
Not me. I don't own it. I have DVG's B-17 Fortress Leader but not Target for Today. I was thinking about picking it up but after watching some playthrough videos on YT, I decided it probably wasn't for me.
Well chit, sorry. I could have sworn it was you. Maybe Barth? I shouldn't be so lazy as to not go look...
JD has Target for Today.
I've got the old B-17 Queen of the Skies version.
So...I'm playing The Hunters.
KPLT Kurt Blumentrit, in my VIIA. Crew JUST got promoted to veteran. I rolled poorly, and they were still Green as of 2/42.
I rolled lucky, chose the Med as my operating area. I had completed 7 patrols, was on my 8th. Not a bad career, 81k total damage, with TWO light cruisers, the Southampton and the Newcastle (both 9100 tons).
Tooling along, looking for a convoy or a fat merchie, and I roll boxcars. Random event. Ok, cool! Maybe I get a "Hals and Beinbruch!" Nope...I roll a "2". Damn! Man overboard.
To get to this point, I need to roll a 12, then a 2, on 2D6. The chances of this are 1/36 x 1/36, or one in 1,296. OK, it happened.
....aaaand I see that my Kplt is in peril! If I roll a "1", he is the one lost overboard in a freak wave. Surely this cannot happen...SCHEISSE! I think that this is the spelling.
And the dear Kapitan sinks screaming below the waves, and dies a sailor's death. Statistically, I can roll on the encounter chart and expect this to occur one every 7,776 attempts.
Part of me is appalled that this would happen. Part of me says...cool! It happened!
I keep thinking I want to get The Hunters, but with Silent Victory on my shelf...I think it's just a matter of taste. SV is supposed to be more polished than The Hunters, but The Hunters has a lot of appeal. So too does Compass Games' Raiders Of The Deep, which I really would like to try out.
Quote from: BanzaiCat on March 24, 2018, 11:45:30 PM
I keep thinking I want to get The Hunters, but with Silent Victory on my shelf...I think it's just a matter of taste. SV is supposed to be more polished than The Hunters, but The Hunters has a lot of appeal. So too does Compass Games' Raiders Of The Deep, which I really would like to try out.
I like solitaire games, and I like submarine games. The genre lends itself very well to solitaire play.
Silent Victory is pretty awesome. I have Silent War also but have yet to crack it to play.
Raiders of the Deep from Compass looks all kinds of awesome, though.
Quote from: BanzaiCat on March 24, 2018, 11:45:30 PM
I keep thinking I want to get The Hunters, but with Silent Victory on my shelf...I think it's just a matter of taste. SV is supposed to be more polished than The Hunters, but The Hunters has a lot of appeal. So too does Compass Games' Raiders Of The Deep, which I really would like to try out.
I have both.
There isn't much difference between them other than the setting. From my few playthroughs of each, I think Silent Victory is a bit more challenging as a whole.
If I only had SV, and knew how very similar they are, I'd use the money I was thinking of spending on The Hunters towards a different game system. Once you've played one, you've pretty much played the whole series.
I've got Raiders of the Deep coming. Couldn't resist. :(
Quote from: BanzaiCat on March 27, 2018, 01:00:20 PM
I've got Raiders of the Deep coming. Couldn't resist. :(
At least it's set during a different war. O0
It's at a better price point than The Hunters, which I've seen from $100 on up. I would love to have it but man, it's too close to the source material. I admit too that playing as an Axis (err, Central Powers) entity would be interesting, so this will scratch that sorta itch I think.
$100 for The Hunters!?! :o Maybe I need to sell my copy and get a copy of the 3rd printing that's coming out....
Quote from: Barthheart on March 27, 2018, 08:46:14 PM
$100 for The Hunters!?! :o Maybe I need to sell my copy and get a copy of the 3rd printing that's coming out....
I was just thinking the same thing...
It's showing as unavailable now on Amazon...
https://www.amazon.com/Hunters-German-U-Boats-War-1939-43/dp/B00HNJPXI0
...but I've seen it for upwards of $120 or so there.
That could just be third-party gougers though. Not sure if the wargamer market would bear that.
You could always try over in the Wargamer's Market group on Facebook. I rue the day I joined that group. So many awesome games get posted there every day. I made a few quick sales myself with some older titles I bought way back in the day.
Quote from: Barthheart on March 27, 2018, 08:46:14 PM
$100 for The Hunters!?! :o Maybe I need to sell my copy and get a copy of the 3rd printing that's coming out....
No kidding.
Hell, I'm fine with just having Silent Victory.
Quote from: Nefaro on March 27, 2018, 05:29:38 PM
Quote from: BanzaiCat on March 27, 2018, 01:00:20 PM
I've got Raiders of the Deep coming. Couldn't resist. :(
At least it's set during a different war. O0
And...it has the No. 1 Austrian U-boat Ace, Georg Johannes von Trapp...also known as the "Sound of Music" guy...