is just fucking awesome. O0
So, post DS9 Trek..
I didn't hate much of Voyager but I didn't like a lot. A handful of Episodes were very strong, a lot weren't.
Enterprise was utterly wasted potential. It found its legs only in the last season and got cancelled. Possibly my most hated Star Trek property.
Discovery...is a mixed bag. Some pew pew early, season two was good, I just got lost as it went along. It felt to disjointed and unconnected. I don't hate it but it's the only ST series I haven't finished.
Picard, it's a character study. Season 1 was good, Season 2 was ok and was 10 hours that could've been done in 2.
Lower Decks is great, but it's very meta and very much a press button nostalgia trip. I love it but it's a distillation of the best of Star Trek's comedy episodes.
Strange New Worlds.....in just one...one episode it establishes itself firmly as TOS and hits every button people felt when they first watched Star Trek in the 60's
It firmly establishes what makes Star Trek great. It totally sucks the viewer in with a solid ensemble cast, a firm grounding in the world, and then goes directly into what Star Trek is about. Discovery, adventure, and bold movement forward.
It's Star Trek, more than any series in a long time. It's what we all wanted when JJ did his reboot. It's pure, distilled the feeling someone in the 60's felt when they first turned on their new color TV and wanted to explore strange new worlds, and seek out new life and new civilizations.
:bd:
its the sci-fi I need. I've had far to much dystopian shit going back to Babylon 5. I want and need an optimistic view again in todays world.
No fishnets, no go-go boots, no torpedo bras. Show sucks.
Not bad. Of course it's no Firefly or B5 but it'll do.
It was good. It definitely has more of the TOS vibe than any other ST series happening now. I'll keep on watching it. 7/10
The characters are way more interesting than Discovery's and Picard's characters. I gave up on Discovery early this last season. The progressive stuff was really getting tiresome. I know ST has always been about being more liberal minded, but Discovery took it to a whole new level that was distracting and annoying at the same time. I am watching Picard, but it's a pretty dark and moody show compared to what SNW's premiere was.
Glad to hear this. Star Trek TOS was the first sci-fi series that I recall watching and enjoying as a child, so I've a soft spot for the milieu as a whole and for the original series' era specifically.
this scratches that itch 100%.
4 episodes in and its still running very strong!
All that buildup and no actual Gorn on screen? Bullshit. I wanna see green skinned 'roided out dudes in cheesy dinosaur masks and gold lamé caveman clothes!
Still watching and liking it.
This and Lower Decks should be some fun watching once I pull the trigger on Paramount+ in a few hours.
It's definitely showing the ST flag. Good thing too since the new Obi-wan Kenobi miniseries, Andar, and Mando season 3 are looking to kick some streaming scifi ass.
Is it just me, or does the Khan granddaughter character seem like a copy-and-paste job of the Drummer character from The Expanse? Very similar-looking actresses, similar hairstyles, similar personalities and speech patterns.
Drummer from The Expanse
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La'an Noonien-Singh from Strange New Worlds.
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Perhaps - I'm thinking that strong, young women characters are kinda written in a similar way, and this goes for TV in general and not just Sci-Fi stuff specifically.
But, I dig Drummer, so I'm cool if this is an unintended nod to her character.
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Nice. :)
Love it myself, this is true trek in my eyes.... and I prefer it to all the star wars spinoffs too :)
I liked SNW for the most part, it had some cringy moments, but probably less that TOS and way less than any of the Disney SW stuff.
I especially liked the tie back to the TOS series Romulans in the last episode.
Are Discovery and Picard worth keeping Paramount+ for (plus NFL, since I don't have cable and antenna won't work where I live)?
we only keep it when the series are running.
give me more! the best sci fi on tv.
I can't wait for the live action Lower Decks cameo.
And hooray! Proper Klingons!
yes! the Klingons are back to normal.
Well, Picard S3 did sort of beat SNW to the punch with Worf looking, well, like Worf. But it's nice to see SNW starting to leave more of the Disco look behind.
Now, the visual continuity question for me is this. Since we've seen SNW style AND TOS style Constitution classes now in Picard, I wonder if the Enterprise is going to get busted up and have a refit before the end of the season.
So this is a prequel to the original Star Trek but the Klingons are like in the movies, not like in the TV show, correct? Or did they just do the alternate universe thing as in the Chris Pine version of the franchise?
Quote from: Sir Slash on April 19, 2023, 10:21:20 PMSo this is a prequel to the original Star Trek but the Klingons are like in the movies, not like in the TV show, correct? Or did they just do the alternate universe thing as in the Chris Pine version of the franchise?
It's a prequel to TOS, set a bit less than 10 years before by this point. It's not set in the "Kelvin" timeline of JJ Abrams-verse.
However, you might not know that because, when Bryan Fuller made Discovery he decided to keep the show in canon but not visual continuity. He wanted an updated visual reboot with no concern for the relatively stable visual canon of the original 1969-2005 era.
Among those Star Trek fans who were visual continuity nerds and demanded every update to SFX and makeup be explained, this almost entire abandonment of the look of the Trek they'd been used to was controversial to say the least. Even internally, CBS wasn't fond of the direction and Fuller was let go before the first episode of Discovery even aired. It was a mess.
There were also, by rumors, some visual rights issue because at that time Viacom had dissolved and some of the visual rights were split between Paramount and CBS that had split the TV/Movie rights between them in the (now temporary) divorce. This, again by rumor, led to a rule that any ship/uniform/alien had to be about 25% different from what appeared in the old unified rights. This is no longer an issue as CBS and Paramount remerged a couple of years ago.
Everyone that's been asked on record has denied that the 25% rule was ever a thing, but it's an awful coincidence that once Viacom reformed that Star Trek started to slowly, and sometimes awkwardly, return to the 69-05 continuity. All except Discovery which has been put into a corner 1000 years in the Star Trek future and is now, thankfully, ending.
So, essentially you have two lineages of visuals now coexisting in the "Prime" universe of Star Trek
Discovery --> Strange New Worlds S1 --> Picard S1 and S2
Star Trek 69-05 --> Lower Decks --> Prodigy --> Picard S3
Strange New Worlds did start a trend towards bringing back updated TOS visuals and just didn't show Klingons at all, but it was still a visual reboot just a softer on then Discovery.
Picard is unique in that it's abysmal first and second seasons had largely a continuity that connected to Discovery. We see an image of the original NCC-1701 and it looks like it did in Discovery and Strange New Worlds in Season 2. However in the more TNG like Season 3 we see a Constitution class in a museum that is 100% the original TOS design. We also see the Enterprise NCC-1701-A in the same museum that is exactly as she looked in the movies.
It now seems they're trying to merge all the visuals together and explain them largely in story as coexisting. One thing I love is they finally reconciled the difference between the ridgeless TOS/Movie Romulans and ridged TNG Romulans. The ridges are just an old Vulcanoid racial trait. It's rare on Vulcan, but dominant on Romulas. Romulans from the northern and southern regions have different physical traits the way Caucasians differ from Asians visually.
Looks like they're doing the same with the Klingons now. Enterprise established there are smooth headed TOS Klingons coexisting with ridged Klingons. While I think it's best they probably just ignore Disco-Klingons we can assume they exist, but they were just a particularly weird racial subset we never saw much of later.
Wow, that was a post worth of Jason Pratt. And yes, I know some people flatly don't care about the changes, and actually prefer that they be creative with their effects and looks. More power to them, but I was a kid that grew up slaving over my Enterprise AMT model kit to make it look just like she did on screen and these things always bug me.
I accept this post. :goodpost:
Thank you SirAndrew. All that actually makes some sense to me now and I find very interesting. It seems, 'resistance is futile' to the inevitable confluence of the series. :halfrobot:
Quote from: Sir Slash on April 20, 2023, 11:13:59 AMThank you SirAndrew. All that actually makes some sense to me now and I find very interesting. It seems, 'resistance is futile' to the inevitable confluence of the series. :halfrobot:
Yeah, I kind of look at this as the "We're Sorry" phase of modern Star Trek. Discovery and Picard S1-2 were really deeply disappointing, not just because of the visuals but the tone, characters, stories. Discovery's highest points were when the Enterprise showed up, and when she left I felt like I wanted to go with her. Fortunately Strange New Worlds solved that.
It all came down to the fact that by the time they saw what Fuller was doing on Discovery and they fired him, there was simply too much of the show done too much money spent for them to just backtrack. It took years to untangle the mess that was made by him and their decision to double down on keeping it a prequel to TOS.
They have done a really good job of righting the ship. Strange New Worlds returned to the heart and soul of Star Trek if not the pure visuals. Lower Decks nailed it all. Picard Season 3 is the show we wanted all along, and it's finally the glorious last ride of the TNG Crew and...well..won't spoil the rest.
This isn't the first time it's happened. Enterprise suffered from the same issues back in the early 2000's when the studio demanded that a show set 200 years before TOS look like TNG. They also did a "We're Sorry" phase with Enterprise where they tried really hard to retcon themselves out of their holes in its final season when they fired Brandon Braga and brought in the TOS Nerd Manny Coto. It was too little too late then and the cancel order had come down already. Fortunately that's not the case this time.
Looking forward to the Picard finale tonight, words I didn't think I'd be saying after Season 2.
season 2 full trailer. :Party:
this gets me harder then Gus in a gerbil farm.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1661387428320477193
this show continues to do no wrong!
Yeah, it's making up for ST: Discovery's sins like nobody's business.
Yeah, I'm loving season 2 so far.
It looks like Star Trek has done some great course correction.
Picard Season 3 Next Generation Season 8 made up massively for the previous two lackluster seasons and finally was the TNG finale we all wanted.
Strange New Worlds feels like the great episodic Star Trek we grew up with and we're even getting a live action crossover with the excellent Lower Decks.
Discovery and Picard Season 1-2 are becoming distant memories.
one of the best Spock episodes ever!
and Anson Mount is funny as fuck!
Looking forward to it. I have a healthy portion of...Tranya for the evening.
Pike's better then Kirk.
change my mind.
you only get 3 fucking sentences Pratt.
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Quote from: GDS_Starfury on July 13, 2023, 11:13:28 PMPike's better then Kirk.
change my mind.
you only get 3 fucking sentences Pratt.
He's not. Neither is better than the other.
Here's my logic...
If I'm going to go to the frontier and explore to the edge of the galaxy, I want Kirk
If I need to negotiate I want Picard
If I want great all around Captians who can adapt, I want Pike or Janeway
If I want to go to war I want Sisko
If I need someone to get her crew in line I want Freeman.
If I need a dog groomer I want Archer
If I need someone who is just always right, never wrong and can instantly come up with something that the entire crew can't see, I want Michael Burnham.
lightsabers at dawn Andrew!
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on July 15, 2023, 01:41:40 AMlightsabers at dawn Andrew!
Wrong thread Captain Adama!
One sentence total:
Star Trek 2: the Wrath of Khan.
This ends the haiku.
ok, we'll see who can get their sonic screwdrivers deeper into Gus.
:TimeOut:
don't worry, it vibrates. :Party:
no other opinions of last weeks episode?
Sorry, Erin Grey made my mind lose track of Star Trek: anything... :Dreamer:
You gonna bust out Nemoy singing 'Ballad of Bilbo Baggins' next?
I'm not crying, your crying
Well, I'm not crying.
Great episode though.
Still more looking forward to next week and getting some live action Boimler and Mariner.
you heartless bastard!
next week is going to be a riot! :Party:
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on July 20, 2023, 08:12:20 PMyou heartless bastard!
next week is going to be a riot! :Party:
Fine, when the future besties met I might have been...a tiny bit allergenic to some dust.
it was subtlety monumental. the wife was in mid sentence and I help up the pointer finger.
a brave move on my part but she got it and I'm alive.
It was also kind of quietly painful to see Jim and Sam's relationship in the shadow of knowing what happens in Operation Annihilate.
with all that is bleak in the world today this is the show I need.
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I never knew you had emotions.
reopen r&p and see how emotional I get. :RockOn:
:Dreamer:
for me it really is an enjoyable show that fills.... something. it's optimistic where so much media isn't.
this one might be rough to watch
https://twitter.com/i/status/1682857446036086784
a heads up.
next weeks crossover episode is now out due to its showing at SDCC yesterday.
:Party:
holy fuck! :ROFL:
and that intro animation.... :smitten:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1682892154891300867
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on July 22, 2023, 07:59:59 PMthis one might be rough to watch
https://twitter.com/i/status/1682857446036086784
Not sure about a musical Star Trek, but there is precedent. :twirl:
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:Applause: :Applause: :Applause:
trying to give Andrew nightmares.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1684350325858222080
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on July 27, 2023, 04:08:03 PMtrying to give Andrew nightmares.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1684350325858222080
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uh.... half the crew of Voyager + 1st officer.
and Picard did let Worf go off and fight in the Klingon civil war.
this week was a surprisingly enjoyable episode.
it might be the case that I'm now responsible for the term Kling-pop. :twirl: :Party:
suck it Andrew! :RockOn:
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Quote from: GDS_Starfury on August 03, 2023, 05:49:12 PMit might be the case that I'm now responsible for the term Kling-pop. :twirl: :Party:
suck it Andrew! :RockOn:
Ok...I did a spit take at that part. Literally.
I'm surprised how much I enjoyed this weeks episode. the first song does a great job at selling the rest of the episode.
captions added
https://twitter.com/i/status/1687191606594785284
this weeks episode, while strong, is the seasons weakest IMO. only because the rest of the season has been fucking more awesome then I could have hoped. theres also a very sweet surprise in it. :bagpipes:
:grumpy:
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So has a date been announced for the new season yet??
Quote from: steve58 on November 09, 2023, 06:34:56 PMSo has a date been announced for the new season yet??
It's on indefinite hiatus due to the strike.
strikes over. iirc they were less then a week from starting shooting when the writers strike started. that means initial scripts were written and sets built with post production waiting for footage. this can be up and running within a month.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on November 09, 2023, 09:57:54 PMstrikes over. iirc they were less then a week from starting shooting when the writers strike started. that means initial scripts were written and sets built with post production waiting for footage. this can be up and running within a month.
Steve spoke it into reality!
who the fuck is Steve?
ah :uglystupid2:
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Quote from: GDS_Starfury on November 10, 2023, 01:41:03 AMwho the fuck is Steve?
Alice's brother.
(huge hit in the Netherlands !)
ran across this podcast series and its pretty damn good!
https://www.shuttlepodshow.com/
just watched the Michael Dorn episode and who knew hes a pilot that used to have an F-86!
seems google has better video results than going through the website.
would watch!
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