Quote from: ArizonaTank on March 22, 2023, 08:20:58 AMSo, how many T-55s will it take to take on a Leopard II?
Quote from: MengJiao on March 22, 2023, 10:07:32 AMQuote from: Gusington on March 22, 2023, 09:14:44 AM^Such a delicate balance. When does deterrence turn into aggression?
Unfortunately for everybody (but especially the Russians, who probably could deter Poland with no trouble at all before Feb 24, 2022) nobody can quite be certain anymore. Restoring something like a normal Cold War situation may be why China is dabbling in Russia's problems and also why the West thinks dumping fighting gear and cash into Ukraine is the least-bad thing to do in terms of deterrence.
Quote from: Gusington on March 22, 2023, 09:14:44 AM^Such a delicate balance. When does deterrence turn into aggression?
Quote from: Gusington on March 22, 2023, 08:15:22 AM^NATO membership still keeps the Russians at bay. But do the Poles, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, etc. feel threatened enough to strike first despite their NATO membership?
Quote from: MengJiao on March 22, 2023, 09:04:49 AMI believe these are similar thoughts (NATO is encroaching on our borders) that went through Russia's paranoid mind before their attack on Ukraine. That's speaking of Russians who support that attack more than Putins delusions of grandeur.Quote from: Gusington on March 22, 2023, 08:15:22 AM^NATO membership still keeps the Russians at bay. But do the Poles, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, etc. feel threatened enough to strike first despite their NATO membership?
Well, I kinda suspect, that the calculus of deterrence has changed. Before Russia more or less unprovoked attacked Ukraine, I think most nations would think NATO would deter the Russians. After Russia's unprovoked attack on Ukraine, places like Poland may be thinking -- why wait until its too late? Better get your own deterrence running strong and maybe even pre-empt any Russian moves in your direction because who knows what the Russians will do? better safe than sorry.