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Leaving Stalingrad: Nov 22, 1942

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MengJiao:

  Yep, I thought I'd just break all the rules and get out and try to form a line -- defend Rostov, stuff like that.  And if you look at the photo -- well historically the Russians took the whole map (except for the part I helpfully outlined with brownish squares) in the the next 10-20 game turns.  So stopping them short of Rostov would be a win, I think:

MengJiao:

--- Quote from: MengJiao on May 07, 2021, 06:34:40 PM ---
  Yep, I thought I'd just break all the rules and get out and try to form a line -- defend Rostov, stuff like that.  And if you look at the photo -- well historically the Russians took the whole map (except for the part I helpfully outlined with brownish squares) in the the next 10-20 game turns.  So stopping them short of Rostov would be a win, I think:

--- End quote ---

  Big Questions for Little Saturn -- This is the beginning of the last Russian Turn for Operation Uranus.  After this the Germans have 6 turns (our over two weeks as they did historically between the end of Uranus and the beginning of Little Saturn) to pull something together.  Historically, they left Army Group A (700,000 men -- more absent than if they had been cut off in Stalingrad) on the other side of the Black Sea and messed around with a tasteful and much-studied set of perfect examples of mobile defense rather than actually doing anything about Stalingrad while the Russians went on taking ground all over the place -- crude but effective and not very tasteful apparently.  Anyway -- pulling out of Stalingrad gives the Germans an extra army -- the 6th -- and it also gives the Russians an extra army -- the 2nd Guards army -- pulled out of Big Saturn...so what to do with a not-so-small, no longer quite little Saturn?:

 

MengJiao:

--- Quote from: MengJiao on May 08, 2021, 05:55:36 AM ---
--- Quote from: MengJiao on May 07, 2021, 06:34:40 PM ---
  Yep, I thought I'd just break all the rules and get out and try to form a line -- defend Rostov, stuff like that.  And if you look at the photo -- well historically the Russians took the whole map (except for the part I helpfully outlined with brownish squares) in the the next 10-20 game turns.  So stopping them short of Rostov would be a win, I think:

--- End quote ---

  Big Questions for Little Saturn -- This is the beginning of the last Russian Turn for Operation Uranus.  After this the Germans have 6 turns (our over two weeks as they did historically between the end of Uranus and the beginning of Little Saturn) to pull something together.  Historically, they left Army Group A (700,000 men -- more absent than if they had been cut off in Stalingrad) on the other side of the Black Sea and messed around with a tasteful and much-studied set of perfect examples of mobile defense rather than actually doing anything about Stalingrad while the Russians went on taking ground all over the place -- crude but effective and not very tasteful apparently.  Anyway -- pulling out of Stalingrad gives the Germans an extra army -- the 6th -- and it also gives the Russians an extra army -- the 2nd Guards army -- pulled out of Big Saturn...so what to do with a not-so-small, no longer quite little Saturn?:

--- End quote ---

  So its Dec 4, 5, 6 in Fall Blau Land and the Russians are just trying to keep up with the retreating Germans.  This all suggests that the real problem post-Uranus was not leaving Stalingrad to be reduced, but leaving Army Group A south of Rostov.  I'm allowing it to trickle in and I think I can hold the Donets which would be about 40% better than the Germans did historically:

 

MengJiao:

--- Quote from: MengJiao on May 10, 2021, 07:05:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: MengJiao on May 08, 2021, 05:55:36 AM ---
--- Quote from: MengJiao on May 07, 2021, 06:34:40 PM ---
  Yep, I thought I'd just break all the rules and get out and try to form a line -- defend Rostov, stuff like that.  And if you look at the photo -- well historically the Russians took the whole map (except for the part I helpfully outlined with brownish squares) in the the next 10-20 game turns.  So stopping them short of Rostov would be a win, I think:

--- End quote ---

  Big Questions for Little Saturn -- This is the beginning of the last Russian Turn for Operation Uranus.  After this the Germans have 6 turns (our over two weeks as they did historically between the end of Uranus and the beginning of Little Saturn) to pull something together.  Historically, they left Army Group A (700,000 men -- more absent than if they had been cut off in Stalingrad) on the other side of the Black Sea and messed around with a tasteful and much-studied set of perfect examples of mobile defense rather than actually doing anything about Stalingrad while the Russians went on taking ground all over the place -- crude but effective and not very tasteful apparently.  Anyway -- pulling out of Stalingrad gives the Germans an extra army -- the 6th -- and it also gives the Russians an extra army -- the 2nd Guards army -- pulled out of Big Saturn...so what to do with a not-so-small, no longer quite little Saturn?:

--- End quote ---

  So its Dec 4, 5, 6 in Fall Blau Land and the Russians are just trying to keep up with the retreating Germans.  This all suggests that the real problem post-Uranus was not leaving Stalingrad to be reduced, but leaving Army Group A south of Rostov.  I'm allowing it to trickle in and I think I can hold the Donets which would be about 40% better than the Germans did historically:

--- End quote ---

   It's December 7, 8 ,9 in Fall Blau Land and the Russians are about to take Tatinskaya -- which doesn't matter much at this point since its not an airsupply point for Stalingrad...Historically, of Course, Badanov's 26th Tank Corps took it on Christmas eve, so they are ahead of schedule even without the 2nd Guards Army and no little Saturn:

 

W8taminute:
This game looks good.  Beautiful map and units too.

What are your feelings about using plexiglass over paper maps?  Believe it or not I use plexiglass to cover some of my mounted maps even though I don't really need to. 

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