WARGAME 4 all but announced. Their is a tease up on the latest SD2 blog that has A10s and Abrams sillouettes. :(
Gotta say I am bummed. The market is flooded with at least two other games already in development in the same genre, Broken Arrow and Regiments. Then you have armored brigade which is basically the same thing.
Will Eugen continue to develop Steel Division games? To me the problem with modern systems in game is that their is very little depth to stories because their is no history to get into and read about in the background. Their is also a lot of guesswork and very little concrete information on the weapons systems to be had. I mean a lot of it is classified or just hard to quantify as well as never having faced the other weapons systems, so we really have no idea how they would perform. Which results in an almost sci-fi style game with units and history that could be considered to be made up. No real life experience to draw upon.
Therefore I am hoping that Eugen have expanded and can handle more than one project at once. I very much doubt it though. I am now resigning myself to the fact that one of my favourite games ever is about to take a population dive that may kill it off.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/919640/discussions/0/4841930637290119920/
NEWS: Steel Balalaika the Broken Arrow dev is almost entirely made up of ex Eugen staff from the strike..... world explodes!! So essentially we have a giant fight for whether the split company will survive.
From the forums by a standard forum user if it is true:
"Yes. He left the studio after the strike of some years ago. Steel Balalaika (BA's dev) is almost entirely composed by ex Eugen staff + some russian guys. This is why the game look so close to a WG: it's basically an unofficial WG."
I wonder if the game that really looked very similar to Red Dragon a while back that got banned has anything to do with this??
Eugen might need ww2 time period guys more than ever then. If they are going to be competing with a company that will take some of their sales. Hopefully more Steel Division theatres are forthcoming. But this does explain why SD2 has been in afterburner mode for some years. Even though their have been a tonne of improvements. There has been nothing too major. Maps were needed and no map modding tools or city maps that were kinda coming got released. The Eugen team would at my guess have been both understrength and missing some key members from the strike at the same time as gearing up to compete with the strikers upcoming competing game in their market space.
Quote from: Destraex on December 17, 2021, 01:54:35 AM
WARGAME 4 all but announced. Their is a tease up on the latest SD2 blog that has A10s and Abrams sillouettes. :(
Gotta say I am bummed. The market is flooded with at least two other games already in development in the same genre, Broken Arrow and Regiments. Then you have armored brigade which is basically the same thing.
Will Eugen continue to develop Steel Division games? To me the problem with modern systems in game is that their is very little depth to stories because their is no history to get into and read about in the background. Their is also a lot of guesswork and very little concrete information on the weapons systems to be had. I mean a lot of it is classified or just hard to quantify as well as never having faced the other weapons systems, so we really have no idea how they would perform. Which results in an almost sci-fi style game with units and history that could be considered to be made up. No real life experience to draw upon.
Therefore I am hoping that Eugen have expanded and can handle more than one project at once. I very much doubt it though. I am now resigning myself to the fact that one of my favourite games ever is about to take a population dive that may kill it off.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/919640/discussions/0/4841930637290119920/
You're very pessimistic. I mean, are you suggesting that there are too many cold war/modern era wargames of this caliber and that instead, they should be working on a game set in World War 2? Because there just aren't enough wargames set on the Western or Eastern Front and we clearly need another. :idiot2:
A modern wargame is akin to "sci-fi" because there hasn't been a major conventional confrontation in the late 20th or early 21st century? That's just crazy talk, dude.
Eugen does work on multiple projects at once. They have worked on nation packs for Wargame Red Dragon and DLC for SD2 at the same time. I too would love for them to be working on multiple projects, and as much as I also love SD2, more WWII is not what we need.
Cold War Game was the other one I was thinking about.
Yes I am a bit bias when it comes to ww2 Eugen style games with the massive RTS zoom maps when we have 3 modern ones in development and historically another 3 from Eugen. We then have 2 ww2 games done by Eugen on different fronts with very specific time frames and a lot of theatres left to do.
Modern:
Wargame European Escalation
Wargame Air Land Battle
Wargame Red Dragon
Broken Arrow
Regiments
Armored Core
Wargame 4 (don't know what the name is yet)
Cold War game - attempted and shut down I think?
WW2
Steel Division 1 Normandy
Steel Division 2 Bagration
Don't get me wrong. I will probably buy and play wargame 4 or Broken Arrow. BUT I think ww2 is much easier to do in a game of this scale, modern requires a lot more range even than the eugen maps have at the high end of things to do really well.
I was actually hoping that Eugen were going to do a Napoleonic or Pike and Shot game. I just did not want another modern game in this specific RTS genre.
Which to me is a semi-realistic (but as realistic as possible) RTS game with a very large scale map that allows for some reasonable force sized strategy that is a little more like the force sizes actually used to attack. It's not the calibre it's the specific type of RTS that is now going to have two more modern games of which I have played at least three before. That's over double what the ww2 era has and more than any other era they could do.
Eugen worked on SD2 on the back burner I would say trickling out content while I would guess a huge portion of Eugens staff worked on the next cold war title. I would not say they are good at working on two things at once. It takes years for them to give a few new sides. SD2 still has a few things to come and I will continue to enjoy it.
As for modern wargames being akin to "sci-fi" that is obvious exagerration by me. But would you not agree that ww2 had many engagements testing most equipment extensively and that there is a massive amount of both first hand and reported and researched primary evidence for ww2? While a ficticious cold war or after engagement between at least two major powers thus testing all new weapons systems, doctrines etc and how things go down is largely unexplored? It is largely guesswork. It's fictional and it involves science... well maybe not so much science.
I am looking forward to seeing what Wargame 4 offers. To give modern warfare a good go I would say the maps need to be A LOT larger. Especially if they include ships again.
This teaser just came out on Eugen's channel. January 20th 2022 for early access
Certainly when there are multiple, similar games competing for a multiplayer market it can serve to divide the community. Frequently it seems that one rises to the top, and that can kill games that have an MP focus.
I'm thinking Hell Let Loose vs. Post Scriptum.
I love everything about that trailer. I may even go in on the early access. Did a search and can't find it on Steam to wishlist, though.
Yeah they have some technical issues with the steam page atm.
Vulcanhd managed to get to it though
Some of the tidbits in this article are great! Especially Army General dynamic campaign!
https://www.pcgamesn.com/warno/early-access-release-date
Although all of these games look nice and bought them all, simply play to fast and crazy for my likes. Too much to worry about controlling so likely will sit this one out
Steam page is up!
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1611600/WARNO/
Wow. EA access in 22 hours. Didn't see that coming.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on December 17, 2021, 07:53:23 PM
Wow. EA access in 22 hours. Didn't see that coming.
Maybe mistake? Video said January 20, 2022
Steam page says:
This game is not yet available on Steam
Planned Release Date: 19 December
This game plans to unlock in approximately 20 hours
RELEASE DATE: 19 Dec, 2021
I think it's a mistake... surely a mistake?
Might unlock for purchase, but from all info available early access gameplay starts Jan 20, 2022.
Early Access? Is Eugen hurting for capital or something? That's an odd route for them to go.
On the other hand...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlPEBROvR9w
I reckon they want to steal a march on Broken Arrow (ex Eugen staff (FLX) and Russians according to some) which has only just shown 10 minutes of in game footage.
Thus announcement, pre-order and early access as fast as possible I reckon.
Broken Arrow looks almost the same but may end up being a little fresher because it must be built from the ground up.
Detcord do you remember the Eugen workers strike a few years back?
This is FLX I think talking about instant blacklisting after leaving a workplace and the need for workers to unite;
Quote from: Destraex on December 17, 2021, 11:35:36 PM
I reckon they want to steal a march on Broken Arrow (ex Eugen staff (FLX) and Russians according to some) which has only just shown 10 minutes of in game footage.
Thus announcement, pre-order and early access as fast as possible I reckon.
Broken Arrow looks almost the same but may end up being a little fresher because it must be built from the ground up.
Detcord do you remember the Eugen workers strike a few years back?
This is FLX I think talking about instant blacklisting after leaving a workplace and the need for workers to unite;
The alpha footage of BA doesn't really look that great. I know its an alpha an all but the renders and GUI looked fairly bad.
Ref Video - As someone that works in this industry I can tell you that blacklisting does indeed occur. Though usually for very real reasons. Laziness, failure to meet ded's, leaving mid-proj, and many others. It also occurs, though far less often due to social-media backlash, because of employer abuse, whatever that might be. I'm not saying that they shouldn't be allowed to unionize. Just that the concept of it seems absurd to me.
Probably because I don't qualify being that I'm a contractor. :D
Yeah. I was just trying to illustrate that this is almost exciting because it seems like a real cold war spy switched sides :P
Thus with crucial tech in the enemies hands an arms race has started... thus the early access etc and the "push" this must have taken by Eugen to get ready.
It has to be a big blow to the Broken Arrow crew that they have the original developer making pretty much the same game in competition with them.
Broken Arrow even with the footage being a little lack lustre has potential. They certainly showed a lot more units like hovercraft and nukes in the trailer. So perhaps more fun and less realism? Like world in conflict?
Quote from: Destraex on December 18, 2021, 12:00:59 AM
Yeah. I was just trying to illustrate that this is almost exciting because it seems like a real cold war spy switched sides :P
Thus with crucial tech in the enemies hands an arms race has started... thus the early access etc and the "push" this must have taken by Eugen to get ready.
It has to be a big blow to the Broken Arrow crew that they have the original developer making pretty much the same game in competition with them.
Broken Arrow even with the footage being a little lack lustre has potential. They certainly showed a lot more units like hovercraft and nukes in the trailer. So perhaps more fun and less realism? Like world in conflict?
Eugen, or whatever is left of them, decided upon this route due to what they perceive as valid and actual competition to their potentially sub-standard product. They see what these aforementioned titles could be and decided to plop down their game as fast as possible to hamper sales of competitive products. It's really the only reason to go this route.
Innovate or die.
Schtorsk [developer] 23 minutes ago
Hello guys,
The date displayed by the Steam Store is wrong at the moment. We've sent a request to change it 9 hours ago and we're waiting for Valve reaction. Early Access comes on January 20, 2022 as announced in the trailer.
GrandStrateger [developer] 24 minutes ago
Tactically, the most important thing is the combined arms combat my friends! You will see in this new game how we have upgraded it and what are all the new possibilities.
On the strategic level, I hope we will amaze you with the new version of AG.
And I'm not talking about the new graphic engine, the new maps, the urban areas...
GrandStrateger [developer] 36 minutes ago
The competition is awesome for all fans of tactic and strategy games as long as the other games are not wargame or steel division copycats
Steam page updated. 1/20/22 it is.
I am very excited for this :)
Quote from: Gusington on December 18, 2021, 10:17:02 AM
I am very excited for this :)
I'm certainly looking forward to it, but only if it enhances the Wargame formula in substantial ways. I'm not expecting revolutionary change, but certainly an evolution in the strategic layer of the game, UI OOB/TO&E, graphics, etc. If it is just a slightly updated Wargame EE or ALB, I'll be disappointed.
For what it is worth, I care nothing about the labor issues between developers and their employees. These are internal contractual concerns as far as I'm concerned. I just want to see good games developed, and whether they come from Eugen, a new company formed by its former employees, the muffin man or all three, matters not.
The series is still new to me so I've got high hopes.
Do you know the muffin man?
Another question answered:
Schtorsk [developer] 6 hours ago
The engine has the same basis since R.U.S.E. but it has been continuously upgraded by our dedicated team. There are many major changes between the SD2 version of the engine and the WARNO version. Those changes should be detailed in some future blogposts.
The Muffin Man?
You know him?
Quote from: Sir Slash on December 22, 2021, 11:27:59 AM
The Muffin Man?
Yeah. Don't you know the Muffin Man? He lives on Drury Lane.
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Yes, I know the muffin man,
The muffin man, the muffin man,
Yes, I know the muffin man,
Who lives on Drury Lane.
He is English and his wife is a cupcake.
^Hawt...
Some nice shots that give away some new features of the game. What really stuck out for me was the m60 sillouette for the m240.
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A lot of streamers have obviously been let off their leashes to show off gameplay now of WARNO
I'm impressed that the infantry doesn't look like Mega Blocks characters this time around. :clap:
Yeah. It's amazing what a little competition does.
Released into first access, 25% off so can get for $29.99. Regular price will be $39.99
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1611600/WARNO/
It's getting pretty hammered in reviews. I'm sure this will be good if they add all the stuff from steel division. I'd almost rather play regiments, cause it's free.
Yeah. Surprisingly, I'm holding off for now. Just sounds like there is not a lot there in this early build and there is a lot of work remaining. Does seem like they released early to get the jump on Regiments and Broken Arrow. Eugen has never done an EA release before as far as I know.
I'm trying to decide between WARNO and Combat Mission: Cold War...
Quote from: Gusington on January 20, 2022, 02:48:40 PM
I'm trying to decide between WARNO and Combat Mission: Cold War...
No brainer. Cold War.
^ +1.
+2, 3, 4, and 5 for emphasis. Cold War runs on a clunky old engine but it's a finished product and very enjoyable. I'd hold off on this unless you're REALLY hankering for a new Eugen title.
Thanks brehs.
I'm holding off on buying the EA version of WARNO, too. Right now I'm enjoying the free playtest of Regiments (Birds Eye Games / MircoProse) on Steam.
I got it and can confirm early access really is early access this time around. 4 maps and 2 divisions are all there is to play with. Lots of bugs and some crashes. Lots of features and things not there or undinished.
I think though that from what I have seen on the forums, people expected a finished game. I have seen a lot of posts like "game is not finished" or "why are there only 4 maps" etc
It is a shame when people bash things because they are ignorant or entitled. Having said that I still suspect this was rushed to bear the competition, which might be a good thing if the community can persuade the devs to make this one brilliant.
No campaign play yet. Devs have promised to slow gameplay down as well. Atm it has been estimated that an abrams travels at 200km an hour or more due to the cohesion buffs.
I pretty much got it the moment it came out btw as did another friend. We could play single but not multiplayer because the multi servers immediately crashed and were not up for an hour or two thereafter.
A lot of the new features like travel time for aircraft are really cool. But others like hiding the ammo types are a step back from sd2 but may change.
I have enjoyed what I have played so far. But I cannot see this game releasing for at least 6 months.
A review of an early access game is an oxymoron.
I'm actually kick'n myself for not getting Combat Mission Black Sea in the steam sale. Saw some good youtubes of the war in the Ukraine, plus with the current crisis and all, was kinda hankering for some black sea.
It crashes to desktop on me about 1 in 2 times I play it. But it's fun and new.
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Epic, loin-moistening screen shots. Especially the Hind in action.
Agreed, that's pretty spectacular looking. I just don't have the reflexes for RTS's like that anymore, if I ever did.
I know I am one of the only ones here that plays that line between RTS and Wargame and beyond. I do so mainly to be able to enjoy myself with like minded friends and in order to manage time. RTS games that lean towards realism can be played in a reasonable time and are probably still 10x more realistic than most board games. It's a compromise I am willing to make as long as the game can suspend my disbelief enough and does not do outright silly things that I cannot explain away somehow.
I like all you guys though because you are wargamers and are mature and groggy. We are all getting older now, I think I was once one of the youngest community members back in the wargamer.com forum days. I am sure the community is shrinking as a lot of younger people gravitate towards pink ponies and anime kinda realism. Sucked down into the void of unreality.
I broke down and got it...the reviews seem to be balancing out and the more level-headed of them appeared to be on the positive side.
I like what I'm seeing, but...and it is a big BUT...it moves WAY too fast. Like ridiculously fast. I played a 2v2 on a fairly nice sized map and the battle was over in under 8 minutes. At regular time, the vehicles are like rocket ships. You can slow down time, but its too slow to play a full game at that speed. They definitely need to work on the rate of speed for vehicles. It has got to be toned down and balanced.
That said, the effects and sounds are really well done and it does seem like a mix of Wargame and Steel Division 2. For me, this is a positive sign.
That's good to hear about the ability to slow the game down, because you can't slow a game like this down enough for me.
Quote from: Toonces on January 22, 2022, 10:24:08 PM
That's good to hear about the ability to slow the game down, because you can't slow a game like this down enough for me.
You can slow it down or stop it altogether.
What I would like to have instead of buttons for pause, slow, normal, fast, etc. is a sliding bar so that you can go from freeze time to accelerated speed and anything in between with precision control.
Quote from: Gusington on January 22, 2022, 02:07:14 PM
Epic, loin-moistening screen shots. Especially the Hind in action.
its a Hip
Yeah, that is my struggle with this game and others. I just can't figure out how to play it where I feel like I am able to give out orders that matter and at the same time watch all the drama that is movie like play out. I usually get caught up watching something and neglect the other stuff going on. Just can't figure out a way that works for me.
That is why SD2 and WARNO automatically save all your games as replays to watch later.
I have a friend that I was surprised went after we finished playing and regularly just watched the whole hour of play over again as a replay. Studying every detail. He learnt a lot doing that.
Quote from: Destraex on January 23, 2022, 06:07:56 AM
That is why SD2 and WARNO automatically save all your games as replays to watch later.
I have a friend that I was surprised went after we finished playing and regularly just watched the whole hour of play over again as a replay. Studying every detail. He learnt a lot doing that.
Sure, but that is not really what I meant. Mentally at least for me it's difficult to try and give orders and watch enough to see if effective or require changes on one part of the battlefield, while things are going nuts in many other spots. Not saying the game is bad, just these types might not be for me which I already kind of knew. Envy those who figure it out and enjoy.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on January 22, 2022, 10:15:09 PM
I broke down and got it...the reviews seem to be balancing out and the more level-headed of them appeared to be on the positive side.
I like what I'm seeing, but...and it is a big BUT...it moves WAY too fast. Like ridiculously fast. I played a 2v2 on a fairly nice sized map and the battle was over in under 8 minutes. At regular time, the vehicles are like rocket ships. You can slow down time, but its too slow to play a full game at that speed. They definitely need to work on the rate of speed for vehicles. It has got to be toned down and balanced.
That said, the effects and sounds are really well done and it does seem like a mix of Wargame and Steel Division 2. For me, this is a positive sign.
Yeah biggest issue for me - all way to fast and the Tac AI doesnt really make up for it. I was hoping this would be more like a RT wargame than a RTS - but I guess what this is mostly about is bringing the older games more in line with the current.
My bad, Mi8TV Hip.
The speed of the gameplay will send me into a tizzy as well, so I will be happy to see a slider implemented too.
Guys here seem to enjoying it more than the typical Steamer...which definitely makes me more comfortable jumping in.
This is slightly off-topic, but probably my favorite wargame system is the courier system in Scourge of War. I absolutely love playing that game as the commander giving written orders to my troops vs. clicking on them and using arrows or waypoints or whatever to get them to do what I want. Telling a unit to "move to this point and form up on the left of Jackson, facing west. Defend your position" is so much easier to convey what I want a unit to do than clicking on the map.
I'm not entirely sure how an order system like that could be implemented in a game like WARNO, but man, it sure would be cool if developers could build more games using the SoW system. For me at least. I can't imagine it'd be hugely popular with the youngsters.
Quote from: Toonces on January 23, 2022, 02:37:37 PM
This is slightly off-topic, but probably my favorite wargame system is the courier system in Scourge of War. I absolutely love playing that game as the commander giving written orders to my troops vs. clicking on them and using arrows or waypoints or whatever to get them to do what I want. Telling a unit to "move to this point and form up on the left of Jackson, facing west. Defend your position" is so much easier to convey what I want a unit to do than clicking on the map.
I'm not entirely sure how an order system like that could be implemented in a game like WARNO, but man, it sure would be cool if developers could build more games using the SoW system. For me at least. I can't imagine it'd be hugely popular with the youngsters.
You haven't played Grand Tactician: The Civil War, have you?
I'd agree with jarhead, you really have to check out grand tactician civil war. It's has all the elements of sow but with a really deep strategic layer. There's also over a dozen historical battles if you want to jump into to the battles with out the strategic layer.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on January 20, 2022, 01:58:29 PM
Yeah. Surprisingly, I'm holding off for now. Just sounds like there is not a lot there in this early build and there is a lot of work remaining. Does seem like they released early to get the jump on Regiments and Broken Arrow. Eugen has never done an EA release before as far as I know.
Actually Eugen has commented on that just a few hours ago under a youtube video (little known scoop I guess!) about this rather common hypothesis - maybe they were frustrated by its popularity, considering it implies they're afraid of something, or whatever - but the point is that they deny the two games having anything to do with their EA a strategy.
Doesn't mean they didn't need the cash though of course :) That is another story (and a rather successful one so far - 1400 reviews in the first week is a solid performance).
But I am ready to believe that these are all disconnected. Regiments is really close to another genre (much closer, design-wise, than World in Conflict or even Ground Control actually - Eugen has a kind word for Soundwolf, the designer) and Broken Arrow is just in too early a state at that point to be released in an immediate future, from the little we could see in the reveal.
Admiral have you got a link to that review with the Eugen interview?
Nah it ain't no interview, just the game designer giving his opinion, and that's just a small friendly nod :)
But here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCLtvKQGF94
Under the comment that reads (sic) "Responce for me,is No!"
Got it. THx :) Drydock dream games is you?
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Nannunbgd
2 days ago
Responce for me,is No!
Sherman
Sherman
2 days ago
Well yeah, ofc you can disagree, and I don't think WARNO is an absolute shit game, I just think they released something too soon to counter Broken Arrow which means Id rather play Regiments for now
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Douglas Santos. TI
Douglas Santos. TI
2 days ago
Whoever has the most units wins.
Stephan Hernandez
Stephan Hernandez
2 days ago (edited)
@Douglas Santos. TI we will have 600 for WARNO
Stephan Hernandez
Stephan Hernandez
2 days ago (edited)
@Sherman we don't release WARNO for « counter » anything, even if we wanted, it's impossible for a team to react in a so short time. And we think Regiment is a cool game !
Dark Memes
Dark Memes
2 days ago
@Stephan Hernandez Are you a dev for Warno or something or are you getting paid to say this lmao?
Stephan Hernandez
Stephan Hernandez
1 day ago
@Dark Memes i'm a dev. You can find me in the credits of all our games since AoW.
Dark Memes
Dark Memes
1 day ago
@Stephan Hernandez Oh, ok, cool. I have a couple of questions, Why did Warno come into early access, with a $30 price tag even though it is unfished, and would the campaign be released during EA or after release? I like the general foundations and features laid in WARNO, and I appreciate the detail you and the other devs put into the game, but, referring back to my first question, going to EA ultimately hurt the game, and most of the community were dissatisfied. Although their expectations were high for EA, you have to understand that their expectations are the result of anticipation for another Wargame esque game for years and their high standards for Eugen to deliver it properly. Do not get deterred from criticism, but I hope that Eugen could eventually achieve their goals for Warno momentarily.
Stephan Hernandez
Stephan Hernandez
1 day ago
@Dark Memes We put game in early acess because we want to improve the games with all the player base. The price is for the full game, not just for the EA. And the content will be deliver during that time. Buying game in EA is just a way to help us improve the game and test it before other, and at the end, get the full game but with a discount. We understand that's not for everyone, and waiting 1 or 2 month to see if things will improve is a fair move. The feedbacks we already received are very important and fixed soon. It's a very efficient way to improve game with the community. Check our discord for more feedbacks from the community feelings about this strategy ?
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Drydock Dreams Games
Drydock Dreams Games
1 day ago
@Stephan Hernandez C'est sympa d'avoir un petit mot doux pour le collègue de Regiments! Me suis empressé de transmettre au détour d'une convo dans les chat des copains, je suis sûr qu'il sera très touché. Meilleurs voeux de réussite à toute l'équipe, vous tenez le bon bout, et vive la French touch ^^
Stephan Hernandez
Stephan Hernandez
1 day ago
@Drydock Dreams Games Merci ! Et oui, son boulot est assez hallucinant effectivement ! Chapeau."
I've played 12 battles of WARNO. In no particular order here are my thoughts. The game is surprisingly stable and bug-free. I had one in-game battle freeze. I enjoy the breakneck pace of it. Yes, it is ridiculously fast, but I enjoy that the fast jets are just that now...
The maps and detailed terrain is excellent. With the game balance to come, I'm sure we will have a worthy Red Dragon successor (minus the naval action hopefully) with the best bits of Steel Division incorporated.
Interestingly they have done away with the FOB supply bases, and one can place recon outside one's starting position. You can also 'sell back', send your transport off-map if you wish. The SD line of sight tool is now available. The damage models of units destroyed are more detailed.
ps always happy to play multiplayer my Steam nickname is Franatic ;D
Thanks fran - definitely still on my list to buy, but maybe not immediately.
Good to see the frequent updates, this week 2 new maps with the patch. The Devs are also trying out new things, couple of updates back they removed the need to have a cv in your starting areas to ensure a live spawn point. To counter cv sniping. I think it is a good thing, fast paced enough as it is.
The next content release contains the first East/West German battle groups. Hello Leopard 2 tank and Tornado IDS strike aircraft. The latter will feature its trademark MW-1 cluster dispenser.
https://www.instagram.com/eugensystems/ (https://www.instagram.com/eugensystems/)
WARNO also on sale on Steam right now for 29.99.
Impressed with the stable state of the early access game. I had one CTD so far. And can easily handle 10vs10 games.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on January 23, 2022, 04:44:57 PM
Quote from: Toonces on January 23, 2022, 02:37:37 PM
This is slightly off-topic, but probably my favorite wargame system is the courier system in Scourge of War. I absolutely love playing that game as the commander giving written orders to my troops vs. clicking on them and using arrows or waypoints or whatever to get them to do what I want. Telling a unit to "move to this point and form up on the left of Jackson, facing west. Defend your position" is so much easier to convey what I want a unit to do than clicking on the map.
I'm not entirely sure how an order system like that could be implemented in a game like WARNO, but man, it sure would be cool if developers could build more games using the SoW system. For me at least. I can't imagine it'd be hugely popular with the youngsters.
You haven't played Grand Tactician: The Civil War, have you?
I'm with Toonces on this one-The Scourge of war courier system is awesome. I think the US military has used it to teach JOs how to write clear, easily understandable orders. While I like GTTCW, the order system there is more abstracted, although it does incorporate the order delay.
Yeah, I'm having trouble jumping on the train on this one. Partly that's colored by some very hostile youtube reviews of the EA state, but mostly it's because I'm really enjoying the Regiments playtest and I'm leaning a lot more in that direction.
There are some core mechanics in this one that were in Red Dragon but I just cannot get my head around. One specifically being the tanks driving through forests as an AI thing. WARNO is proving very hard to sink my teeth into as well. I love steel division 2 so much more.
A few screenshots from warno which now has 14 divisions total (so far) and a campaign map similar to Steel Division 2's coming.
I find it far superior to Red Dragon but the internet crowd is funny. They prefer what they know and I think like many games they look set to stay with red dragon, primarily because they seem to expect that Eugen are giving them the same product with less content and DLC to come. I on the other hand cannot stand the Red Dragon interface and see a huge amount of improvement over Red Dragon in general.
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Warno with army general will really fun.
Quote from: Skoop on October 02, 2022, 10:46:26 PM
Warno with army general will really fun.
I liked the Steel Division 2 campaign but it was tedious and also was a bit of a "setup" in terms of how you were pretty much pre-determined by the initial strategic deployment as to how you could play. Realistic but meant like the real thing tonnes of battles on the same terms. Defensive or Offensive. A real grind. The grind caused because you played every single battle (I don't not auto-resolve) instead of one big front all at once. I think it was the defensive sand bags and such and deploying them every time that made quick battles impossible. Making progress in the campaign was slow if you wanted to do it properly.
In WARNO we will see.
An early dev shot of the campaign map
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A new patch today that brought another two divisions to look at today. A British Territorial division and a French Paratrooper division. Both very cheaply kitted out. In steel division 2 we would call these B or C class divisions. They do have some interesting kit though. The French have 6 wheeled armoured cars with 90mm guns but no tanks. The British have a few older chieftains and some ring in m48s from the west germans.
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The developers adjusted the (multiplayer) game speed recently, and it feels a lot better in-game.
Sure does feel better. A few sore points are still the los and the hitpoints for tanks (AP behaviour) but apart from that it's great fun and I think the balance is about right now.
WARNO is 25% off on Steam atm
OK Giant city building like they might be a thing.
Looks cool, did they say how it influences game play, an additional length of the line of sight perhaps?
Plus Destruction game mode is now part of Early Access.
They have not said how it will affects gameplay and I suspect that it will be the same as having a single story building for infantry.
As for destruction mode. I am really not a fan of that mode. It's for people that love to play ww1 style defensive lines while the AI zombie waves you.
But against humans it could be pretty amazing... trying to preserve your units. I imagine both sides would sit on their behinds though trying to wait out the enemy. Destruction mode still has points to hold as an incentive to attack?
Destruction mode still has points to hold as an incentive to attack?
The more sectors you control, the more points you gain to buy units...and lose them if not careful.
Quote from: fran on November 24, 2022, 12:41:53 PM
Destruction mode still has points to hold as an incentive to attack?
The more sectors you control, the more points you gain to buy units...and lose them if not careful.
I think you are probably right.
What is the spec of your pc, graphic card...screenshots looks great!
I don't think you need a super PC to run this well. I have a mid range CPU and graphics card.
Some info on the campaign is out.
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1611600/view/3615857252827730224?l=english
Been a while. Now without the Broken Arrow demo back to Warno. Have to say not really looking forward to Broken Arrow but glad it exists. It has some fun but very gamey aspects to it. WARNO on the other hand is my preference for a game that is multiplayer up to as many friends as I need while being believiable enough as a slightly fast forwarded RTS wargame that is realistic enough.
The new buildings on the map twin cities. Pretty good job really. Have not had a chance to see if I can bring them down with arty or bombs yet. But have seen the walls start to crumble. Line of site from these buildings is amazing.
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A few more from 10v10 matches.
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THe new LOS tool. The blue part is an indication of how far I will see units with my chosen tool tip for enemy stealth rating. So the blue part basically shows me in this case that I will NOT see units with BAD stealth (chosen in the bottom right) in the blue areas APART from the white areas which show where I will see normal line of sight out to. If I chose exceptional the blue area would be significantly larger, indicating that exceptionally stealthy units will not be seen until they are a lot closer.
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GOD I'd throw an absence amount of money at a game like this if it was turn based :grumpy:
^You mean, 'a lot of money'?
Quote from: Gusington on February 17, 2023, 12:21:42 PM^You mean, 'a lot of money'?
Spell check was just being 'obscene'!
Quote from: acctingman on February 17, 2023, 10:06:37 AMGOD I'd throw an absence amount of money at a game like this if it was turn based :grumpy:
I believe it does have active pause?
That's right, the ability to pause and give orders. And the option to slow-motion the game speed.
I'd agree with des, warno is the better game. I'm looking forward to what they do with the campaign. Is it army general like SD2 ? Not sure I've seen what they have planned. Plus, there's tons of mods on the workshop, you can pretty much tweak warno to your liking.
One thing I was wanting in SD2 was the ability to edit or create your own army general campaign. It can be done by modders but not cleanly, it's a bunch of text editing changes. Be nice if it could be done with the game interface, but I think they keep it difficult so you have to buy their dlc for new army general content.
I think it's premature to conclude which one of these two is "the better game". Broken Arrow won't be out until probably late in the year. Warno, although early access, has been in development for longer and has had several substantial updates.
They are both subject to change throughout development, but I suspect Broken Arrow will play quite differently when we see it again.
The latest WARNO update with the new cities & other tweaks, ahead of bigger tweaks (reworked AA) and single player content bodes well for the future. I've seen a lot of contents creator go back to it and enjoy themselves over the past week. Eugen did well, kuddos to them. Hard work does pay in the end!
I agree Admiral. Great game. But to look at the steam forums you would not think that. People complain no matter what Eugen do. Not only that, people seem to complain simply to be toxic. It's like a bunch of chatgpt bots spamming all steam gaming forums constantly with ever more complex spoofing of human behaviour in chat. Most responses are just plain silly half the time.
As for Broken Arrow. I can see the direction that it has taken and will likely keep following. Unless something drastic changes I think WARNO is pretty safe for those who like more realism. Broken Arrow will be fun but like a light version of WARNO.
Anyone jumped into this recently? Worth picking up for the asking price?
Went ahead and picked this up and enjoying it a great lot. Big overall improvement over Wargame and Steel Division, though I'd personally prefer WWII. Definitely worth the asking price even without the promised campaign mode.
Quote from: al_infierno on October 17, 2023, 03:01:12 PMAnyone jumped into this recently? Worth picking up for the asking price?
Hey Al. Well you know my opinion, luv it. Glad you are enjoying it as well.
Recently (last 7 days) had some friends of mine invite me to do 10v10... we won all 3 games. Being 10v10 though I am sure I had little to do with it. :uglystupid2:
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Yeah, I'd agree it's well worth the purchase and only going to get better when the campaigns are released.
I'm enjoying it over the previous vanilla Eugen games to be sure.
Not delving too deep till the campaign comes out, but I've enjoyed the operations.
A shortened test version of the campaign is out and I am enjoying it.
Still a little annoyed that the devs went with hitpoints instead of realism to reduce time to kill. But I can ignore that given everything else in game is nice to play with.
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