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Title: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Jarhead0331 on November 01, 2021, 10:19:40 AM
I like him better than the Mandalorian.

Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Gusington on November 01, 2021, 11:24:58 AM
Was just reading about this!  Can't wait for 12/29.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: MengJiao on November 01, 2021, 01:24:06 PM
Quote from: Gusington on November 01, 2021, 11:24:58 AM
Was just reading about this!  Can't wait for 12/29.

  With Ming-Na Wen ( who was Melinda May on agents of shield) backing up Bobba -- the underworld is going to need to be more careful. 
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: GDS_Starfury on November 01, 2021, 07:13:18 PM
by this time next year we are going to be buried in interconnecting star wars content.
and its going to be fucking glorious!
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Sir Slash on November 01, 2021, 10:56:53 PM
I'll be on this one like fuzz on an Ewok's butt.  :D
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: al_infierno on November 01, 2021, 11:03:04 PM
Why a "book"?  When has a Star Wars movie ever been referred to or thought of as a "book"?  I guess "Saga of Boba Fett" doesn't quite roll of the tongue.

I dunno.  Personally, nothing that Disney or Marvel puts out excites me, and things like the generic title just reek of "creative decisions by committee" to me.  I hope to be proven wrong and learn it's really good, though.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Gusington on November 02, 2021, 07:17:08 AM
Did you watch the Mandalorian?
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: MengJiao on November 02, 2021, 08:59:41 AM
Quote from: Gusington on November 02, 2021, 07:17:08 AM
Did you watch the Mandalorian?

   I did.  Pretty good.  Sort of like Firefly only a lot better.  More deeply atmospheric than say Agents of Shield, which was maybe too tongue-in-cheeky or arch.  I agree the Marvel stuff is a bit over-mixed
but the Star Wars things lately seem okay.  Not the movies (which are kind of infantile)...
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Gusington on November 02, 2021, 09:04:36 AM
The one recent movie that I really enjoyed was Rogue One. But I have enjoyed The Mandalorian more and have  very high expections for Book of Boba Fett.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Jarhead0331 on November 02, 2021, 10:01:50 AM
Quote from: Gusington on November 02, 2021, 09:04:36 AM
The one recent movie that I really enjoyed was Rogue One. But I have enjoyed The Mandalorian more and have  very high expections for Book of Boba Fett.

Solo was very good. Although very brief, the trench warfare scene with regular imperial infantry was phenomenal and exactly the dark authentic direction I think Star Wars needs to take.   
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: al_infierno on November 02, 2021, 11:14:03 AM
Oh yeah, Rogue One was indeed quite good.  I never saw Solo but I saw those Imperial Guard esque battle scenes on YouTube and was quite impressed.  I have not seen the Mandalorian but heard good things.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Gusington on November 02, 2021, 12:10:29 PM
I also liked those trench warfare scenes in Solo.

Mandalorian is time well spent esepcially if you like the grittier, dirtier side of Star Wars, al.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: GDS_Starfury on November 02, 2021, 05:09:50 PM
and have any of you bothered to watch all 7 seasons of The Clone Wars?  both it and Rebels are excellent and provide a ton of context to the whole universe.  it might surprise you to know that the very best lightsaber duels happen in animation.

Ahsoka vs Maul  Clone Wars season 7


Ahsoka vs Vader  Rebels season 2



Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: SirAndrewD on November 02, 2021, 05:20:03 PM
Looks awesome honestly. 

Rogue One and Mandalorian have been solid Star Wars. 

Super looking forward to this one. 

Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: GDS_Starfury on November 02, 2021, 05:33:55 PM
for Jarhead, the only true samurai battle in all of Star Wars:

Obi vs Maul Rebels season 4


while Maul was almost a throw away villian in the phantom menace he is truly fleshed out and becomes one of the most interesting characters in the franchise.  most of the new shows are going to draw heavily on the animated storied as they are under the control and direction of the same person.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Gusington on November 02, 2021, 06:50:24 PM
^I've got to watch Rebels, I love the animation style and that above duel with Maul is epic.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: GDS_Starfury on November 02, 2021, 07:25:38 PM
you should.  the "its for kids" bs wears off pretty quick, same for Clone Wars.  The Mortis Arc in Clone Wars would have been a far better prequel then what we got.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Jarhead0331 on November 02, 2021, 08:40:03 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on November 02, 2021, 05:33:55 PM
for Jarhead, the only true samurai battle in all of Star Wars:

Obi vs Maul Rebels season 4


while Maul was almost a throw away villian in the phantom menace he is truly fleshed out and becomes one of the most interesting characters in the franchise.  most of the new shows are going to draw heavily on the animated storied as they are under the control and direction of the same person.

So does the animated series depart from events of the movies, or do they just take place prior to the events of the movies?

I've watch some of the Clone Wars series, but only one or two of the seasons. I've heard it gets much much better.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: GDS_Starfury on November 02, 2021, 11:05:32 PM
the series ties all of the loose end together and adds a shit ton of story and context that the movies could never possibly deliver.
the standout character is Ahsoka Tano!
if you want to give your daughters a positive can do role model... shes amongst the gold standards.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: GDS_Starfury on November 02, 2021, 11:22:41 PM
Quote
So does the animated series depart from events of the movies, or do they just take place prior to the events of the movies?

no, its all very well tied together.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: al_infierno on November 03, 2021, 01:16:35 AM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on November 02, 2021, 11:22:41 PM
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So does the animated series depart from events of the movies, or do they just take place prior to the events of the movies?

no, its all very well tied together.

I don't think you answered his question.  My confusion is the fact that Maul dies at the end of Ep 1.  So does the animated series simply take place before Ep 1?  Or does it work with a new timeline?

The one problem with the former is that by making a prequel for a dead character, you eliminate all tension about how and when they will die, since you've already seen their death.  You know they're guaranteed to survive any life threatening situation by virtue of the fact that they need to be alive for a movie that's already been written, produced, and released.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Grim.Reaper on November 03, 2021, 05:01:31 AM
Maul actually showed up in the Solo film as well, which in the timeline is after episode 1.  Between that an the animated series, it basically meant maul didn't actually die and survived the battle in episode 1.

Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: GDS_Starfury on November 03, 2021, 09:36:33 AM
Maul doesnt die in episode one.  how he lives and what he becomes is one of the central thread of the animated series.
in the overall timeline of the movies The Clone Wars tv show takes place between episode 2 and 3 and covers roughly 4 years of story.
the seventh season ends just as the third movie takes place.  all very nice and neat.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on January 06, 2022, 12:44:34 AM
The wookie enforcer in Ep 2 was pretty badass looking.

The whole Dances with Sand People storyline was kinda meh though.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: GDS_Starfury on January 06, 2022, 05:49:44 PM
I thought it was an awesome episode.  even the dance at the end as it was Boba's final entry into the Tuskin clan.
I liked the way they used the Tuskins fighting style to introduce Boba's Samoan style.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: SirAndrewD on January 06, 2022, 10:08:47 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on November 03, 2021, 09:36:33 AM
Maul doesnt die in episode one. 


Yeah, Maul survives getting cut in half and he's pretty danged salty about it. 

I was initially SUPER against that story beat.  But the way Clone Wars and Rebels handled it, Maul went from just a random baddie that gets killed off quickly to one of the most fleshed out and interesting Sith Characters in the canon. 

Obi Wan pretty much becomes Maul's White Whale for defeating him and costing him is place at Palpatine's side.  It ends with the above, super epic Samurai Duel that takes place when Luke is a child. 

It was a really great "the bad guy didn't really die" storyline.  Boba's non-death is looking like it's doing a pretty great follow up too. 

I really never liked Boba as a character (if he could even be called one) prior to Mandalorian and this show.  He's now becoming a favorite.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: acctingman on January 12, 2022, 05:45:43 PM
This is all I have to say about the Book of Boba Fett
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Gusington on January 12, 2022, 07:38:38 PM
^I concur.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: SirAndrewD on January 12, 2022, 08:35:16 PM
Yeah, another great episode of Breaking Boba.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Staggerwing on January 12, 2022, 09:32:50 PM
The Bad Batch is also worth watching, though I'd start with with the Clone Wars series first. In both of those series (and to a lesser extent Rebels) the Old Republic (and briefly imperial) Clone troopers are extensively explored as individual entities with character and depth in a Band of Brother/Platoon way that completely change how you see them.

And in later episodes there are some priceless cracks by Clone Trooper Rex about the non-clone replacement conscript stormtroopers' skills and their armor.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Jarhead0331 on January 12, 2022, 09:52:25 PM
I dunno. I'm still pretty lukewarm on it. I like the production values and I like some of the canon details, but Fett doesn't impress me. Like the mandalorian, he seems to get his ass kicked more often than not. I'm yet to see why he was the most feared bounty hunter in the galaxy and they strip way too much of his mystique away and too quickly at that.

It's just ok really. Too much of a stark contrast on everything else we've always been shown of this cold and ruthless character.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: GDS_Starfury on January 13, 2022, 01:11:58 AM
then youve clearly missed out on all of the books and comics that have filled in tons of his backstory.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Jarhead0331 on January 13, 2022, 01:26:42 AM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on January 13, 2022, 01:11:58 AM
then youve clearly missed out on all of the books and comics that have filled in tons of his backstory.

They turn him into a fun-loving geriatric pussy? Yes, thankfully, I've missed them.  :hide:
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Destraex on January 13, 2022, 06:04:57 AM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on January 12, 2022, 09:52:25 PM
I dunno. I'm still pretty lukewarm on it. I like the production values and I like some of the canon details, but Fett doesn't impress me. Like the mandalorian, he seems to get his ass kicked more often than not. I'm yet to see why he was the most feared bounty hunter in the galaxy and they strip way too much of his mystique away and too quickly at that.

It's just ok really. Too much of a stark contrast on everything else we've always been shown of this cold and ruthless character.

I agree. I also don't think comic books should be necessary to tell the rest of the backstory. I don't want to have to put together a jigsaw puzzle from all sorts of media including ones I have never had a penchant for. I really think it's rude to have to pick up detail from anything but an original novel or book or the film itself in the same media format. Tell the whole story or don't bother telling it at all.

Not a fan of the very obvious samurai story cliches like calling Boba a Daimyo. I know Lucas took some inspiration and was influenced by these stories but damn. It's not like these stories were original. They are timeless in themselves and should not be used to try to subvert the story and universe Lucas made up. To me it's just further proof that Disney thinks it must destroy all star wars legacy slowly but surely.

Fett does come across as an old softy in this Jar. But at the same time he has gone soft apparently after being thrown into the sarlac pit.... don't worry, it's really strange to me as well. I don't get how he turned from a hardened killer into an all round goodie. The Rancor was the same. Now it's like a puppie.
Everything is cute and cuddly. Like it's meant to appeal to a different audience or something, one that likes cute things and everything being light hearted innocent comedy moments.... oh wait.

P.S. Did I mention I am enjoying the show for what it is. Certainly better than the sequel trilogy. Which was 100 times worse. Those were treated by their creators as absolute MEME jokes of films.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Jarhead0331 on January 13, 2022, 07:45:54 AM
^agreed 100%. I forgot about the rancor.

Keeper: "He's depressed..."
Fett: "I want to ride him..."

Excuse me, what?

In general, I think it is ok to expand upon story and characters in media other than the original source films, but not if it rewrites and fundamentally alters underlying themes, attitudes and behaviors. The only thing that this Fett and the movie Fett have in common is the mandalorian pattern armor and the new Fett spends more time on his back naked in a bacta tank.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: al_infierno on January 13, 2022, 01:07:59 PM
Quote from: Destraex on January 13, 2022, 06:04:57 AM

I agree. I also don't think comic books should be necessary to tell the rest of the backstory. I don't want to have to put together a jigsaw puzzle from all sorts of media including ones I have never had a penchant for. I really think it's rude to have to pick up detail from anything but an original novel or book or the film itself in the same media format. Tell the whole story or don't bother telling it at all.


This is what really annoys me about the vast majority of big-budget AAA films these days:  They're really just a glorified TV series with two-hour long episodes.  Either that or you have to do homework to get the full picture of those silly things called "themes" and "characterization"  ::)

Reminds me of how in that Prometheus sequel they literally cut out the "crew hanging around the ship shooting the sh!t" scene, which was clearly homaging the first 2 films, and uploaded it on YouTube as a "prologue" that you're supposed to watch before the real film.  Seriously, WTF?  Why not just, you know, include that scene in the film so the damn thing makes sense on its own?  Boggles my mind.

With Star Wars and the MCU it just seems even worse.  Good luck jumping into the latest episode of the series if you haven't watched the several dozen hours of film leading up to this one!
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Gusington on January 13, 2022, 02:38:16 PM
You're starting to sound like old men around a card table. Things change, story-telling changes. No one is forcing you to consume these new movies and series and by all means everyone has the right to enjoy them or not.

But it's bizarre to me if you enjoy the lore, why wouldn't you want to read up more about it? Sure Disney is a monolithic entertainment conglomerate and I am not head over heels for the last three Star Wars movie releases either.

But it all started taking a turn when the first ewok crawled onto the screen, sort of like what Des posted above. Disney can be blamed for alot, certainly, but not everything.

Cute and cuddly creatures like The Child paved the way for me to share Star Wars with my kids, and for that I am grateful. We have years of memories from reading books together, putting together Star Wars Lego sets and watching the series and movies.

Now granted I have yet to watch Book of Boba, so if he really has turned into a puss I will probably be irritated too...but watching it with my kids will outweigh that.

It's most definitely a different time now than when the first Star Wars movie was created and we just can't count on anything we love to remain the same for 45 years.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: SirAndrewD on January 13, 2022, 03:40:52 PM
Quote from: Gusington on January 13, 2022, 02:38:16 PM

Now granted I have yet to watch Book of Boba, so if he really has turned into a puss

You mean the guy who in the OT's only fight ended with him being taken out by a blind guy?

I kid a bit, but I don't really see Boba as being particularly weak.  He is human, not some special John Wick superbeing.  I kind of find it refreshing that they don't 100% buy into the "Boba Fett has to be a badass" thing.

I also appreciate the way that he actually finally HAS a personality.  Outside Clone Wars we really got very little fleshing out of who he was, and he was a bit of a punk there.  His time in the belly of the Sarlacc and his time with the Tuskens actually has some effect on him, and I honestly like seeing it. 

I mean, lets get real, this was a character whose contribution to the OT was mostly to stand around and utter three lines.  It's hard to ascribe any real characterization to that.

Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: acctingman on January 13, 2022, 03:45:50 PM
Quote from: SirAndrewD on January 13, 2022, 03:40:52 PM
Quote from: Gusington on January 13, 2022, 02:38:16 PM

Now granted I have yet to watch Book of Boba, so if he really has turned into a puss

You mean the guy who in the OT's only fight ended with him being taken out by a blind guy?

I kid a bit, but I don't really see Boba as being particularly weak.  He is human, not some special John Wick superbeing.  I kind of find it refreshing that they don't 100% buy into the "Boba Fett has to be a badass" thing.

I also appreciate the way that he actually finally HAS a personality.  Outside Clone Wars we really got very little fleshing out of who he was, and he was a bit of a punk there.  His time in the belly of the Sarlacc and his time with the Tuskens actually has some effect on him, and I honestly like seeing it. 

I mean, lets get real, this was a character whose contribution to the OT was mostly to stand around and utter three lines.  It's hard to ascribe any real characterization to that.

SirAndrewD gets it!  :notworthy:
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on January 13, 2022, 10:07:33 PM
 Just finished watching episode 3

That chase sequence....I've seen geriatrics on mobility scooters drive faster than that trying to get to the hot slot machine in the casino.  And hover Vespas?!  Wtf?!
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: GDS_Starfury on January 14, 2022, 03:38:06 AM
the sense of speed you got with the speeder train was totally not there with the chase scene.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Destraex on January 14, 2022, 05:22:49 PM
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on January 13, 2022, 10:07:33 PM
Just finished watching episode 3

That chase sequence....I've seen geriatrics on mobility scooters drive faster than that trying to get to the hot slot machine in the casino.  And hover Vespas?!  Wtf?!

I kinda liked that somebody had the sense to show that kids and the mayors lackey would not have the fastest kit in the galaxy or be the best and fastest drivers. I did not mind this at all. I see the moped crew eventually upgrading to the biker gangs harley davidsons.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Destraex on January 14, 2022, 05:29:30 PM
Quote from: SirAndrewD on January 13, 2022, 03:40:52 PM
Quote from: Gusington on January 13, 2022, 02:38:16 PM

Now granted I have yet to watch Book of Boba, so if he really has turned into a puss

You mean the guy who in the OT's only fight ended with him being taken out by a blind guy?

I kid a bit, but I don't really see Boba as being particularly weak.  He is human, not some special John Wick superbeing.  I kind of find it refreshing that they don't 100% buy into the "Boba Fett has to be a badass" thing.

I also appreciate the way that he actually finally HAS a personality.  Outside Clone Wars we really got very little fleshing out of who he was, and he was a bit of a punk there.  His time in the belly of the Sarlacc and his time with the Tuskens actually has some effect on him, and I honestly like seeing it. 

I mean, lets get real, this was a character whose contribution to the OT was mostly to stand around and utter three lines.  It's hard to ascribe any real characterization to that.

I guess that's the point for me. Boba was changed from all business and a hard core sorta guy to the new Han Solo with tonnes of character and a lot of sarcasm. Boba really just wants to be nice to everybody while his off sider is Boba. Taking care of business. It's just wierd that he wants to take over Jabba\Bib Fortuna's empire while the palace is empty and his subjects have all the power and resources. What was he thinking? We kinda missed that story, I suppose it might come with a little bit of flashback at some point. Another pet peeve of mine is long winded flashbacks that really just seem to me to be stall tactics.... I like to move forwards and have the characters describe the past rather than flashing back to it. Flashbacks always seem cheap and easy to me, while stealing opportunities for interaction between characters. We don't seem to have the acting horsepower these days to have actors actually interact properly. Actors tend to be good at one liners and action scenes (with the assistance of CGI) and nothing else.

I guess I want to see BOBA and not HAN. You know. A different story. I would have preferred to see his bounty hunting days. But that would have been MA or R rated I guess. Because he was a stone cold killer! Maybe it was just Han that was afraid of him I guess... Han did not know he was really a stand up guy that was misunderstood. (sarcasm)

P.S. I liked the wookie but why did the twins turn up with almost no armed forces? I assume they are a little more powerful than Boba and in need of a lot of protection given they are hutts? Jabba had a huge entourage and tonnes of guards and escorts. THe twins turned up with some stretcher bearers and a wookie.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Gusington on January 14, 2022, 09:52:34 PM
Just finished the first two episodes. I really enjoyed the last 5-10 minutes of the second episode with the whole Dances With Boba/Going Native theme, even if it is a bit cliched and hokey.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: GDS_Starfury on January 15, 2022, 01:19:30 AM
QuoteWe kinda missed that story, I suppose it might come with a little bit of flashback at some point. Another pet peeve of mine is long winded flashbacks that really just seem to me to be stall tactics.... I like to move forwards and have the characters describe the past rather than flashing back to it. Flashbacks always seem cheap and easy to me, while stealing opportunities for interaction between characters

wtf!  the first few episodes were nothing but backstory and flashback.  how do you complain about a lack of flashback and story backround and then compain about long winded flashbacks?  :2funny:
I think a problem with some people is that they expected more Mandiloran and not an evolving character study.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Destraex on January 15, 2022, 02:54:40 AM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on January 15, 2022, 01:19:30 AM
QuoteWe kinda missed that story, I suppose it might come with a little bit of flashback at some point. Another pet peeve of mine is long winded flashbacks that really just seem to me to be stall tactics.... I like to move forwards and have the characters describe the past rather than flashing back to it. Flashbacks always seem cheap and easy to me, while stealing opportunities for interaction between characters

wtf!  the first few episodes were nothing but backstory and flashback.  how do you complain about a lack of flashback and story backround and then compain about long winded flashbacks?  :2funny:
I think a problem with some people is that they expected more Mandiloran and not an evolving character study.

Because the story we missed should be related verbally by the characters rather than looking inside a characters head and literally playing his or her no doubt faulty memories as film flashbacks. The original movies never relied on flashbacks. It was all Old Ben talking about the clone wars or Darth telling luke he was his father. If those movies were made today they would flick back and waste 10 minutes robbing your imagination and investigative skills by literally spoon feeding you the whole experience as a flashback.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Jarhead0331 on January 17, 2022, 03:46:56 PM
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Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Gusington on January 17, 2022, 04:48:28 PM
^ I would absolutely watch that.

Totally disagree on the whole flashback thing. Just having a description from a character droning on is, to me, lazy storytelling.

One of the prime directives of writing is 'show me don't tell me' and I absolutely prefer to set a scene to a character just relaying the story in dialogue.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: al_infierno on January 17, 2022, 04:59:56 PM
They're both valid techniques that can be employed well or employed lazily, think how many memorable flashbacks and stories there were in The Sopranos if you've seen that.  They never showed the Feech La Mana poker heist but it's one of the more memorable and plot-relevant backstory elements.  On the other hand the flashbacks with Tony's young dad are equally excellent.  "Show don't tell" is a good rule of thumb and all but I get Dest's criticism because I feel flashbacks are overused and overly relied upon in modern big-budget movies (or the ones I've seen anyway) when the imagination is just as evocative as a cool flashback.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Gusington on January 17, 2022, 05:07:54 PM
^The Sopranos was a master class in almost all kind of writing.

I personally enjoy relying on imagination and I think a lot of peeps around here do, but I do enjoy a good flashback in books, tv, movies, etc. too.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Destraex on January 17, 2022, 06:53:46 PM
I just think script writing and verbally relating a story on screen is a sort of lost art. Especially because people in real life, even actors, often just seem clueless without the aid of a phone or the internet to "show" instead. I enjoy getting to know characters. The deep and meaningful on screen convo is a great way of relating to the character. To me the flashback is much easier to do and because its more of the same (visual plus visual) it does not break things up and seems boring to me. Makes me anxious to get back to the movie as I always feel that flashbacks take me off on an unwelcome tangent. Yes flashbacks can be done well, but not usually.

My point is. Dialogue on screen is usually so simplistic and boring in the big franchises these days. I will take anything to stimulate me, more of the same does not do that for me. It just makes me feel like I am reading a comic book where everything must be done visually.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Gusington on January 17, 2022, 08:05:45 PM
^ I agree with you on the dialogue...especially in the middle three Star Wars movies. Some of the worst.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Destraex on January 17, 2022, 08:16:16 PM
How did the middle three star wars movies fail to communicate and get any message across and what are you comparing it to?
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Jarhead0331 on January 17, 2022, 08:33:31 PM
Quote from: Destraex on January 17, 2022, 08:16:16 PM
How did the middle three star wars movies fail to communicate and get any message across and what are you comparing it to?

I think he means the middle three as in the middle three released, not in order sequence. So I, II and III. The dialogue was terrible...particularly anything involving the pre-Vader Anakin Skywalker. Just absolute garbage across the board. It's crap compared to pretty much anything, even Howard the Duck and Back to the Beach.

Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Gusington on January 17, 2022, 08:52:40 PM
Absolutely. Not that people go to any of the Star Wars movies for Shakepearean dialogue, but Episodes I, II and III were a new level of horror.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: GDS_Starfury on January 17, 2022, 10:50:32 PM
thankfully The Clone Wars series did a lot to rectify the franchise.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Destraex on January 17, 2022, 11:38:34 PM
Quote from: Gusington on January 17, 2022, 08:52:40 PM
Absolutely. Not that people go to any of the Star Wars movies for Shakepearean dialogue, but Episodes I, II and III were a new level of horror.

Well then. I agree. Add to that the flashbacks in episode 1,2,3.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: GDS_Starfury on January 18, 2022, 01:57:40 AM
the flashbacks are fine.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Sir Slash on January 18, 2022, 11:51:19 AM
We've probably covered this already here but for me a nearly perfectly done series is any of the, "Narcos" series off Netflix. It's got everything going against it, all in Spanish so you have to read the dialog at the bottom of the screen, and the dialog goes really fast, and you're not always sure who's talking which part. And while you're reading the dialog, you can miss what's happening on the show, especially a nice boob-shot or two. But the show makes-up for it with great story, action when you need it, believable characters, plot twists and great acting. I hardly notice that it's in a foreign language. And I hate foreign language shows. It is compelling to watch despite being in a foreign tongue. My 2 cents.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Gusington on January 18, 2022, 12:31:30 PM
I really have to start watching Clone Wars and Bad Batch.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: GDS_Starfury on January 26, 2022, 09:11:32 PM
so the best episode of Boba Fett doesnt have him in it.  :crazy2:
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Staggerwing on January 26, 2022, 10:55:15 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on January 26, 2022, 09:11:32 PM
so the best episode of Boba Fett doesnt have him in it.  :crazy2:

That's why the episode is called 'Return of The Mandalorian'. And it even has Ming Na-Wen in it.  :)
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Sir Slash on January 26, 2022, 11:02:38 PM
Now SHE can swing my lightsaber any time she wants.  ^-^
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on February 10, 2022, 03:58:59 PM
Thoughts now that the season has wrapped up?





**************SPOILERS**************************






For me, the whole thing just felt "off".  I know they had originally planned to make a Boba Fett movie but it got canned after Solo tanked.  I suspect that a lot of the ideas they originally had for the Fett movie got ported into the Mandalorian TV show and as a consequence, Boba's story seemed to flounder a bit.  With bounty hunting off the table, they went with setting him up as a kind of crime boss.  There was potential there for an interesting take on a Mafia or new-sheriff-in-town style story but I think they missed the mark.  There wasn't much in the way of criminal empire building or backroom politicking at all.  Missed opportunity in my book.  Also, Boba came across as passive, indecisive, and kind of uninterested in events going on around him.  Rather than being like a bad-ass, it seemed to me that he was forever getting rescued by others and led by the nose by Ming Na Wen's character.  Also, I wish they'd stop going back to Tatooine over and over again and instead set the stories in other locations.  Nar Shadaa would've been cool. 

One of the things that felt most off to me was the combat.  In my opinion, it came across as "Disneyfied".  The lethality of the combats varied wildly between scenes and the final battle in the streets reminded me more of an episode of the A-Team than Star Wars.  The supposedly deadly combat droids blasters were ridiculously ineffective against adobe walls and even when the good guys were fleeing down the streets in a tightly packed mob, the droids were unable to hit anyone.  When main characters did get hit, they would just shrug it off.  The Wookie takes more than a dozen blaster hits, limps for a few seconds in one scene and is then completely fine in subsequent scenes.   Same with both Mandalorians.  Multiple direct blaster hits, gnawed on by a rancor, backhanded through walls yet they're totally fine. The droids should've just had the rancor fling them at the Mod's defensive position, Rancor propelled droids seem far more effective at destroying buildings than blaster cannons.  It just seemed kind of pointless as the lethality was so low that there was no sense of danger in the entire scene.

High points for me.  Live-action Cad Bane.  I thought he was great in the cartoons and pretty good in this series (still went out like a bit of a bitch though.  Much like Boba in ROTJ, he fell for the old gaffi stick in the back trick.) The bits with Mando and the dark sabre.  Unlike the low lethality series finale, the scene where Mando hacks up the dog-faced aliens in the butcher's shop was pretty awesome.

Low point.  The Mods.  Cheesy joke from a movie so old most people aren't going to get the reference.  Goofy hover Vespa bikes made it worse and that ridiculous low speed "chase" scene was cringey as hell.  Especially when one of the Mods used his Go-Go-Gadget foot to kick at the engine of the 1974 hover-Buick. 
     

Overall, it wasn't terrible but I was disappointed in that I felt they could've done so much more with the material, especially in light of how well done The Mandalorian was.

Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: GDS_Starfury on February 10, 2022, 08:59:15 PM
but how fucking cute was the Grogu/rancor nap!
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: SirAndrewD on February 10, 2022, 11:38:06 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on February 10, 2022, 08:59:15 PM
but how fucking cute was the Grogu/rancor nap!

That was awesome. 

I like a lot were kinda not wowed by the series.  I mean, it was good, I liked it.  I'll watch it again and enjoy it.  But yeah, the high standards of Mando and the fact that this show couldn't escape Mando's shadow knocked it down a notch. 

As much as I like the Din and Grogu, I really think Boba would've been better off without them and that stuff had been saved for Mando season 3. 

Still, it was fun and the action in the finale was enjoyable.  Finally getting Boba vs Cad Bane was worth the price of admission.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Staggerwing on February 11, 2022, 06:57:11 AM
Don't count Cad Bane out yet. Someone online pointed out that there was still a light shining on his implants or indicator panel or something (I'd have to go back and watch the scene). Could mean he will be back with more augments later on.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: GDS_Starfury on February 11, 2022, 05:10:56 PM
Cad should have been the main protagonist of the show on behalf of the pikes.
a lot of wasted story there.
overall I enjoyed it but it could have been a lot better.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: al_infierno on February 11, 2022, 05:54:24 PM
Critical Drinker really laid into this one:

Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Staggerwing on February 11, 2022, 10:24:00 PM
Wow, you're not kidding. 'Book of Boba Fett' sure seems to have pissed all over Critical Drinker's corn flakes and even got some on his pop tarts as well.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on February 12, 2022, 02:28:14 PM
He's not wrong though.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Destraex on February 15, 2022, 03:53:57 AM
I liked Boba Fett but agree that the finale felt like episode IX of Star Wars. A randomly thrown together mess.
The whole series had "modern undertones" running through it which had Boba purposely made a man-child that needed constant looking after by other strong characters. If Boba was not the namesake of the TV series they probably would have considered just leaving him out of the whole thing or replacing him.

Fun series though. But would probably be hard pressed to watch again again. Mandalorian I might watch again though.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: GDS_Starfury on February 22, 2022, 11:06:09 PM
 :DD

Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: GDS_Starfury on March 09, 2022, 02:51:44 PM
 :bd:

Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Sir Slash on March 09, 2022, 03:17:02 PM
OK. I just got a new reason to live to May. Better go get that Colonoscopy after all.  :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: GDS_Starfury on March 09, 2022, 03:23:06 PM
no need,  I can already confirm your a healthy asshole.   O:-)
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Gusington on March 09, 2022, 03:24:28 PM
^Wow. To the retort and to the Obi Wan announcement.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: W8taminute on March 09, 2022, 03:48:08 PM
Quote from: Staggerwing on February 11, 2022, 06:57:11 AM
Don't count Cad Bane out yet. Someone online pointed out that there was still a light shining on his implants or indicator panel or something (I'd have to go back and watch the scene). Could mean he will be back with more augments later on.

I noticed that too.  I shouted at the screen "You should keep on stabbing him over 100 times with your gadderfi stick to make sure that POS is dead."

I haven't hated a tv character this much since little finger in game of thrones.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: al_infierno on March 09, 2022, 03:50:36 PM
Pretty cool that they got McGregor to reprise Obi-Wan.  I didn't detect any sort of plot to speak of through that trailer, but that's always hard to truly judge.  I hope they aim their sights a bit higher than "this will make money because it's Star Wars" this time around.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: GDS_Starfury on March 09, 2022, 04:15:05 PM
this will link into Star Wars Rebels a lot and tie up a lot of post order 66 threads.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Gusington on March 09, 2022, 04:36:24 PM
Heh GoT's Little Finger was such a prick...pun intended
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: SirAndrewD on March 09, 2022, 06:29:29 PM
Quote from: al_infierno on March 09, 2022, 03:50:36 PM
Pretty cool that they got McGregor to reprise Obi-Wan.  I didn't detect any sort of plot to speak of through that trailer, but that's always hard to truly judge.  I hope they aim their sights a bit higher than "this will make money because it's Star Wars" this time around.

Well, they're in a good position where they don't really have to tell much of the plot.  People are going to watch this anyway. 

I mean, hell if all they showed was Obi-Wan taking a crap in a cave on the trailer that wouldn't dissuade me.  They had me at Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christensen.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Gusington on March 09, 2022, 07:48:14 PM
They had me at MacGregor...not so much Christensen.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: SirAndrewD on March 09, 2022, 08:40:46 PM
Quote from: Gusington on March 09, 2022, 07:48:14 PM
not so much Christensen.

I'm looking forward to him hopefully redeeming himself from the prequels. 

He's a better actor than he showed there. 

McGregor is of course gold as Obi-Wan.  He's more the character for me by far than Alec Guinness is, and that's saying something.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Gusington on March 09, 2022, 08:47:13 PM
^How dare you!
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: GDS_Starfury on March 09, 2022, 08:47:57 PM
Anakin in Clone Wars is awesome.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: SirAndrewD on March 09, 2022, 09:26:15 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on March 09, 2022, 08:47:57 PM
Anakin in Clone Wars is awesome.

Indeed.  Matt Lanter a great job adding little hints of Vader's voice and inflections into his portrayal as the show went along.  Great job with the animators too giving Anakin lots of Vader's physical mannerisms.

Definitely more what I'd hoped for in the films.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Sir Slash on March 09, 2022, 11:00:00 PM
And to keep Star happy, I hope they throw-in his twin brother Jar Jar Binks. Meesa countin on it.  :hug:
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: GDS_Starfury on March 09, 2022, 11:43:26 PM
in what universe does that abomination of cgi bullshit make anyone happy
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Sir Slash on March 10, 2022, 01:17:30 PM
Well, I thought he was cute. No, wait. That was Natalie Portman.  #:-)  Sorry, DIS-regard.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: Dammit Carl! on March 10, 2022, 10:08:42 PM
Man, with Obi Wan, I sure hope we get more stuff about Tatooine!

-Death Star should have started blowing planets up with that sandbox right there.
Title: Re: The Book of Boba Fett
Post by: SirAndrewD on March 11, 2022, 12:25:46 AM
Quote from: Dammit Carl! on March 10, 2022, 10:08:42 PM
Man, with Obi Wan, I sure hope we get more stuff about Tatooine!

-Death Star should have started blowing planets up with that sandbox right there.

Fair enough. 

But also to be fair, it looks like a fair bit of the series is going to be set off Tatooine. 

I imagine Obi-Wan is going to take a desert vacation to draw Vader and the inquisitors attention elsewhere.