CA/Sega currently has a livestream on YouTube, where they tease that the reveal will be announced in just under 2 days from now.
The background images and sounds appear to offer some clue as to the next game, although what it might actually be is more than I can guess. There's a hint of a building in the background (just to the right of the screen's center), but I can't really make it out.
looks like a either a fantasy thing or a Mayan pyramid...
Quote from: Raied on March 29, 2017, 02:52:40 PM
looks like a either a fantasy thing or a Mayan pyramid...
I agree...it looks like a mesoamerican pyramid to me. I'll be ok with this, so long as you can play as the conquistadors.
I hesitate in this conclusion though, since they did this already in the expansion to medieval II. My understanding is that the next title covers a fresh era that the series has not visited.
Not been an arboreal geek - I'm saying they're not trees of South America
Are we looking at china?
Quote from: undercovergeek on March 29, 2017, 03:07:23 PM
Are we looking at china?
Definitely a distinct possibility.
Looks like Mirkwood to me. I'm going with Total War: Middle Earth for $500, Alex!
;D
Quote from: Raied on March 29, 2017, 02:52:40 PM
looks like a either a fantasy thing or a Mayan pyramid...
Well it's not fantasy, as this is their next historical-period title they'll be announcing.
Listening to the livestream, I realized it sounds vaguely like a jungle. If the next game takes place in sub-Saharan Africa or the Americas, I'll be skipping it. There is no historical period from any of those regions that I would find interesting as a Total War game.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on March 29, 2017, 03:10:24 PM
Quote from: undercovergeek on March 29, 2017, 03:07:23 PM
Are we looking at china?
Definitely a distinct possibility.
Dare I hope...?
Wait wait wait - it doesn't say this is the actual historic release, this could be lustria - jungle home of the lizard men from war hammer
Quote from: undercovergeek on March 29, 2017, 03:22:21 PM
Wait wait wait - it doesn't say this is the actual historic release, this could be lustria - jungle home of the lizard men from war hammer
That's Lustria. That's a Lizardmen temple.
Quote from: undercovergeek on March 29, 2017, 03:07:23 PM
Not been an arboreal geek - I'm saying they're not trees of South America
Are we looking at china?
Yes, you are right the trees dont belong to the South America, but who knows it is creative assembly with their amazing inaccuracies. :D
I'm happy to place a gallon of my moisture on it been lustria
Here come the lizard men and please god skaven
The related announcement from the EGX convention...
"4pm: The future of Total War: WARHAMMER. Join developers from Creative Assembly for an exclusive look at what's next for the Total War: WARHAMMER series. Fans won't want to miss this!"
Skaven skaven skaven
Originally autocorrected to slaving shaven skaven - that'll do
Actually I've already seen streams suggesting the next DLC for Total Warhammer is indeed the Lizardmen.
Quote from: Tpek on March 29, 2017, 03:48:41 PM
Actually I've already seen streams suggesting the next DLC for Total Warhammer is indeed the Lizardmen.
Looks like they're going with a standalone title rather than a DLC. They'd pretty well have to, Lustria is going to be a pretty phenomenally large add on.
I'm guessing this'll be warhammer 2 - the second part of the trilogy
Quote from: undercovergeek on March 29, 2017, 04:04:21 PM
I'm guessing this'll be warhammer 2 - the second part of the trilogy
Given the info from EGX, it's almost undoubtedly so. Not entirely sure why the fanfare and mystery is so necessary for this. With them saying it's a Warhammer release Lustria is about the only thing it CAN be, and they'd already said before this was the next step in their roadmap.
I sadly I have limited interest in the title. It's actually a bit concerning to me that they're managing two Warhammer releases before a historical, and the historical has had not even a peep or hint about its direction or level of development.
I'm starting to wonder how much in the way of resources are being devoted to the historical side of things. I guess Atillia in 2015 wasn't that long ago, but still.
No medieval 3?
Pass.
Not yet - looking at the blurb there are 3 teams now, warhammer, historical AND the new mystery team
So there's warhammer 2, the possible China game plus the historical tradition which must be medieval 3
Well if it is an announcement about the next Warhammer TW game, then my apologies to
Raied. I totally missed that. :-[
I will definitely be disappointed, though, if that's what the announcement is. Much as I enjoy Warhammer TW, I was really looking forward to finding out what the next historical title was going to be.
Quote from: Toonces on March 29, 2017, 04:10:30 PM
No medieval 3?
Pass.
I'm bummed about it too, but it's been clear for a while that we won't see that one for some time yet. I'm sure we'll get our Medieval 3 eventually, but you'll almost certainly be retired (or at least out of the Navy) by then. :-\
I love that era so much. No, we don't need it, but m2 is starting to show its age.
I'd be ok with China, and an Arthur doc would be cool for Attila or future m3.
I can wait.
I'd like it if they did a 30 years war / ECW game.
Quote from: Martok on March 29, 2017, 04:30:43 PM
Well if it is an announcement about the next Warhammer TW game, then my apologies to Raied. I totally missed that. :-[
I will definitely be disappointed, though, if that's what the announcement is. Much as I enjoy Warhammer TW, I was really looking forward to finding out what the next historical title was going to be.
Quote from: Toonces on March 29, 2017, 04:10:30 PM
No medieval 3?
Pass.
I'm bummed about it too, but it's been clear for a while that we won't see that one for some time yet. I'm sure we'll get our Medieval 3 eventually, but you'll almost certainly be retired (or at least out of the Navy) by then. :-\
No worries, I wish for historical one too, but it seems not this time :(
I still have yet to fire up Warhammer Total War. This does not moisten my loins.
Shame. The title really had me excited. But this fantasy warhammer total war game is ok at first but gets boring fast as battles are not very complex and generally just big blob fests. The graphics and units are interesting though as is the campaign map.
Dry loins are always a shame.
Quote from: Gusington on March 29, 2017, 05:54:23 PM
Dry loins are always a shame.
if youd played 1 you would need groin buckets by now
+ i think their ultimate goal on the release of part III is to have a huge map like Empire and all races are open
Quote from: Toonces on March 29, 2017, 04:10:30 PM
No medieval 3?
Pass.
+1
High time for Medieval 3. Enough of this warhammer crap (...with apologies. It just ain't my cup of tea, to put it mildly, and I'm more than ready for CA to move onto a new chapter.)
Make the Holy Roman Empire great again.
We are going to build the bigliest wall and make those Byzantians pay for it
:buck2:
Quote from: bob48 on March 29, 2017, 04:49:27 PM
I'd like it if they did a 30 years war / ECW game.
Fine with me. They could sell it with lots of Attila-esque scenes of devastation. The Plague. the fire of London, Dogs and cats. Dear, Dirty Dublin.
The Seige of Vienna. Hussars with wings. The tulip craze. The circulation of the blood. The discovery of magnetism and the telescope.
The Tulip Craze: Total War. There's a new one.
Total War: The Quest for Dry Loins
It should be the Quest for Moist Loins. Dry ones are unhappy ones.
Quote from: Gusington on March 30, 2017, 06:33:33 AM
It should be the Quest for Moist Loins. Dry ones are unhappy ones.
Perhaps, but now I have a new quote for my sig line.
Honored, I am. It flows well with your blue lesbian thing.
Quote from: Gusington on March 30, 2017, 08:21:38 AM
Honored, I am. It flows well with your blue lesbian thing.
Nothing moistens loins quite like blue alien lesbians.
Very prevalent in a lizard man army
If that is true then I am excited again. Commencing loin moistening again.
I still don't understand why I am the only one that has questioned why exactly Gus' loins moisten in the first place. Anatomically, unless he has a vagina, this should not be possible.
You really don't want to think about it too closely.
I'll never tell.
Do you? Really?
Really. The less you share about your loins, the better.
Well checking out the main site for further info was pretty much pointless. In the "What we're working on" update from March 17, it sounds like work on both the next Warhammer and next historical title are in full swing, so who knows which of these is being announced next. There's also mention of a new "Black Ops" Total War team ( ::) ), but it sounds like they've only just begun working on whatever their project is.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on March 30, 2017, 09:52:29 AM
I still don't understand why I am the only one that has questioned why exactly Gus' loins moisten in the first place.
Because you have this rather quaint (but endearing) notion that things around here should make sense? :D
Quote from: mirth on March 30, 2017, 09:53:19 AM
You really don't want to think about it too closely.
Or at all, really.
Quote from: Martok on March 30, 2017, 10:48:09 AM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on March 30, 2017, 09:52:29 AM
I still don't understand why I am the only one that has questioned why exactly Gus' loins moisten in the first place.
Because you have this rather quaint (but endearing) notion that things around here should make sense? :D
And if you ever find they do make sense, seek professional help immediately.
Some mysteries of the universe are best left unsolved, Jarhead. Best left unsolved.
I think a title like Total War: Loin Moistener would be better, though. You want a title that features the player as the protagonist.
I get enough Warhammer dwarf/goblin fix from Warhammer 1.
So if it's a stand alone Warhammer 2, different races and map that is disjointed from the first it's an initial pass for me. But, if it's joined up mega campaign map to Warhammer 1 then an early buy.
Warhammer 40k would be pre-order.
Doubt we'll get it in the next few releases, but I reckon they will find a way to milk WW2 at some point.
Quote from: fabius on March 30, 2017, 02:35:36 PM
I get enough Warhammer dwarf/goblin fix from Warhammer 1.
So if it's a stand alone Warhammer 2, different races and map that is disjointed from the first it's an initial pass for me. But, if it's joined up mega campaign map to Warhammer 1 then an early buy.
Warhammer 40k would be pre-order.
Doubt we'll get it in the next few releases, but I reckon they will find a way to milk WW2 at some point.
I think that's the plan for the end of 3
Quote from: undercovergeek on March 30, 2017, 02:51:25 PM
Quote from: fabius on March 30, 2017, 02:35:36 PM
I get enough Warhammer dwarf/goblin fix from Warhammer 1.
So if it's a stand alone Warhammer 2, different races and map that is disjointed from the first it's an initial pass for me. But, if it's joined up mega campaign map to Warhammer 1 then an early buy.
Warhammer 40k would be pre-order.
Doubt we'll get it in the next few releases, but I reckon they will find a way to milk WW2 at some point.
I think that's the plan for the end of 3
Ah I see. When I read somewhere that they plan to stich the campaigns together into a huge 'world' I had assumed with each major release. But maybe they will be separate games with a pay for the stitch together DLC.
Here's your announcement ~~>
From the Steam page:
"Shortly after launch, owners of both the original game and Total War™ WARHAMMER II will gain access to the colossal new combined campaign. Merging the landmasses of The Old World plus Naggaroth, Lustria, Ulthuan and the Southlands into a single epic map, players may embark on monumental campaigns as any owned Race from both titles."
Is that loins I hear moistening?
Quote from: jamus34 on March 31, 2017, 12:46:20 PM
Is that loins I hear moistening?
At is. I am happy to wait, just glad that a Grand Campaign will be in there soon.
I can see this joined up Grand Campaign approach being applied to their Historical game too.
I'm not going to lie, I am disappointed.
Warhammer fantasy doesn't do it for me as an IP. Might pick up TW:W1 on the cheap when it gets discounted enough, but I'm not overly inspired. Was hoping for another historical one but I gather this game has done rather well and I understand the thought process behind going where the money is. This is a trilogy so I imagine they don't want to take too long to knock out 2 & 3.
Bright side is they're doing more work with the narrative campaign systems, which they've been experimenting with since the Napoleon days. Some of their best non-grand campaign work has been in the narrative area, so hopefully the improvements and tools they make for this can be brought into future historical titles. This mega-combo campaign sounds interesting, I'll give them that.
After all this time I wonder why they haven't touched WW1 or WW2. A WW2 total war would rock my boat big time. Grand strategy AND tactical battles. Come on.
Quote from: Ian C on March 31, 2017, 01:45:07 PM
After all this time I wonder why they haven't touched WW1 or WW2. A WW2 total war would rock my boat big time. Grand strategy AND tactical battles. Come on.
I would guess that it's coming. Now they effectively have tanks and aircraft in TW WH. And I would guess at more province battles Europe first game....
Next history is supposed to be an untouched TW era. I can't see them doing China, pre-Rome, or non-Western mainstream.
Quote from: Ian C on March 31, 2017, 01:45:07 PM
After all this time I wonder why they haven't touched WW1 or WW2. A WW2 total war would rock my boat big time. Grand strategy AND tactical battles. Come on.
Ick. Are you serious?
CA couldn't even get the 18th and 19th century lines of muskets to fight properly. Just asking for disappointment.
More WW2 to be had all over the gaming world without that kind of train wreck.
Quote from: Nefaro on March 31, 2017, 02:21:35 PM
Quote from: Ian C on March 31, 2017, 01:45:07 PM
After all this time I wonder why they haven't touched WW1 or WW2. A WW2 total war would rock my boat big time. Grand strategy AND tactical battles. Come on.
Ick. Are you serious?
CA couldn't even get the 18th and 19th century lines of muskets to fight properly. Just asking for disappointment.
More WW2 to be had all over the gaming world without that kind of train wreck.
Agreed.
The lethality of weapons post 19th century just do not lend itself to CA's engine.
With all this large, continent spanning integration, I can't imagine the next historical won't have the same expandability.
I agree that they didn't do the age of musketry very well with Empire or Napoleon, but I can already see the potential for them thinking of an entire earth map in a Victorian Era Total War.
And to be fair to CA, they did really do the Victorian era well with Fall of the Samurai.
I don't know. Even today the AI does sooooo much better tactically when operating sword/spear Melee units vs line of fire. Just can't seem to get the wholeinear combat thing down. I'd like to see them stick with pre 1700. Some firearm units are fine...but when it's all guns? Bad things man, bad things
Quote from: mikeck on March 31, 2017, 10:17:56 PM
I don't know. Even today the AI does sooooo much better tactically when operating sword/spear Melee units vs line of fire. Just can't seem to get the wholeinear combat thing down. I'd like to see them stick with pre 1700. Some firearm units are fine...but when it's all guns? Bad things man, bad things
Well, my ideal next TW title is Medieval 3, but CA has been stone adamant that they're not going in that direction despite demand. So at this point, I'm just taking from the best available options that aren't that game.
This sounds awesome to me, I am a history nut but fantasy history wins for me just.
David Gemmel was my fav author by far fantasy with a bit of history thrown in....
Quote from: Nefaro on March 31, 2017, 11:53:11 AM
Here's your announcement ~~>
Oh lord - pass me the moisture pants
You had me at high elves
So have they finished TW:W1 then?
For those who know the lore, is it all jungle in this new world? Will that get in the way of gameplay?
Quote from: SirAndrewD on March 31, 2017, 06:07:02 PM
With all this large, continent spanning integration, I can't imagine the next historical won't have the same expandability.
I agree that they didn't do the age of musketry very well with Empire or Napoleon, but I can already see the potential for them thinking of an entire earth map in a Victorian Era Total War.
And to be fair to CA, they did really do the Victorian era well with Fall of the Samurai.
I'd say 19th century is about as far as they could push it while still keeping some sliver of reality. Even then, it's shaky.
TW's battle engine was obviously meant to portray line-dominated warfare but it's generally been pretty flaky with lines of musket armed infantry.
Scale and some other things have been problematic. But I think the most annoying has been how the tactical AI controls those musket-armed units. As an example, in
Empire and
Napoleon, they had a small range-to-target band where they would stand & fire, but all too often they'd fire once and then charge into melee - or not even fire before doing so. Because the infantry lines also moved way too fast, and even short quick moves by the shooter or target would trigger their melee routines once that very thin "stand & fire" range band was out. A few factors came into play, here, and it made the battles resemble Roman Legionary doctrine. Albeit with musket & bayonet but minus all the armor. Just didn't play out as it should.
They slowly improved that through later games, but the root problems are still there.
The big mods lessened these issues by extending gunfire range quite a bit, and slowing down infantry movement speeds. It's the only way to play them since they act less like spearmen.
I'd still be up for trying anything TW, featuring muzzle loaders and earlier, but I'd fully expect to require mods to fix the battles. It's not unusual to feel the need for mods in the TW series, but most are just improvements for me & not major fixes.
The earlier periods just seem to work out better in the Total War engines. I'd like to see a new
Medieval along with Ancient China. A Bronze Age one would be something appreciably different too.
I would like to see Total War - English Civil War
Is that one going to be called Brexit?
Quote from: Nefaro on March 31, 2017, 02:21:35 PM
Ick. Are you serious?
With the temples and the jungle -- why can't we just have some real people? For one thing they might come with less laborious music.
Quote from: Nefaro on April 01, 2017, 11:26:42 AM
The earlier periods just seem to work out better in the Total War engines. I'd like to see a new Medieval along with Ancient China. A Bronze Age one would be something appreciably different too.
I pretty much agree with you across the board. While a Victorian Era game would be good for depicting some of the colonial wars where numbers were smaller and scale was limited, I can't see how conflicts like the Crimean War, and Wars of German Unification wouldn't just seem woefully underdone and oversimplified.
Again, the consensus seems to gravitate towards a demand for Medieval 3, with Renaissance and Enlightenment not far behind, or even all included. I can't for the life of me see why CA has been so opposed to going in this direction.
I get the concept of wanting to keep the series fresh, but every time the fans are polled or the question comes up, the hard to ignore fact is that everyone's asking for Medieval 3 to be the title, myself included. I hope CA takes note of that after the next historical title, whatever it may be.
There is an excellent mod for Medieval 2 that covers the English Civil War. And I agree with the above post that says Shogun 2 - Fall of the Samurai is the best. My favorite TW of all time.
Was that mod called "for king and country" ? I loved that one.
http://www.twcenter.net/wiki/For_King_or_Country
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.twcenter.net%2Fw%2Fimages%2F5%2F54%2FFKOC-promo_covenanters_04.jpg&hash=f6b2cfcb1b6a27c9d77f11cf95ce9052b7447583)
Quote from: undercovergeek on April 01, 2017, 02:31:17 AM
Quote from: Nefaro on March 31, 2017, 11:53:11 AM
Here's your announcement ~~>
Oh lord - pass me the moisture pants
You had me at high elves
Warhammer Total War always tempts me to buy it. I finally did and initially enjoyed it for the unit variety. However the battle were just so simplistic and such blob fests (no control over formations and nothing interesting except making sure you are all into the brawl instead of holding your line) that I got bored fairly quickly. I really love the hype but I really don't think the game has enough tactical battle complexity to hold my interest. That and the fact that the only Human faction I was interested in turned out to be a cavalry only affair. High Elves have me tempted once again. But knowing this will be $70 australian to purchase I will probably wait a year if possible until it is at a reasonable price because really all I want to do is dabble and look at the pretty units. Because I know the story and game mechanics are pretty cheap and nasty when it comes to it. I really wanted some interesting military formations. I guess I have to wait to see what they do with the historical version.
Yes that's it, For King and Country. Beloved by many.
Grr just had another CTD with WH
My Total War experience for Empire, Rom2, WH
Vanilla game too fast and arcade
Mods
Have fun then CTDs
After a few CTDs put game down. Too much to replay same battle again .
Ok, you're talking CTDs with mods. That's one thing. I've found the TW games to be extraordinarily stable vanilla.
Quote from: fabius on April 03, 2017, 03:12:51 PM
Grr just had another CTD with WH
My Total War experience for Empire, Rom2, WH
Vanilla game too fast and arcade
Mods
Have fun then CTDs
After a few CTDs put game down. Too much to replay same battle again .
Is your mod compatible with the game - it usually says so in the workshop
Yeah with mods.
One wasn't, yeah a I know I know, but it was basic agent spam nerf. Now have a new updated version
Can anybody vouch for Radious mod stability?
Quote from: undercovergeek on April 03, 2017, 03:54:15 PM
Quote from: fabius on April 03, 2017, 03:12:51 PM
Grr just had another CTD with WH
My Total War experience for Empire, Rom2, WH
Vanilla game too fast and arcade
Mods
Have fun then CTDs
After a few CTDs put game down. Too much to replay same battle again .
Is your mod compatible with the game - it usually says so in the workshop
Even then, I occasionally see a crash with some mods.
Most often happens when the AI turns are being processed.
Another reason to be as minimalist as possible regarding TW mods.
I've used a few Radious mods in different TW titles and they were stable when used alone, but when combined with others CTDs and non-starting became issues.
Hmm, yeah when I get my Total War itch again will look through and cut/ minimise the mods.
I will say 2 good things though !
1. War Hammer in general- the first Total War that had me regularly making decisions that felt tight with where my armies are needed.
2. Just started Radius and impressed that the battle have been close affairs. Two or three Pyric victories by turn 10 or so.