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Title: Is there a CRUSH DEPTH thread yet...?
Post by: JasonPratt on June 10, 2021, 12:18:32 PM
I used the search engine but failed to find a thread already, although I feel like recall some discussion on the game somewhere.

Anyway, here's one of our favorite YT channels, Wolfpack345, showing off the early release:

The game is suuuuuper ambitious as to fidelity and granularity. It's also freaking $60 for what is NOT listed up front as a pre-alpha, but which in the description is very explicitly a pre-alpha.  ::)

It does have a free demo which only unlocks the extensive museum (complete with operating uboat components like a diesel engine), and maybe a couple of "challenges". Buyers of the more extended tech demo (as they call it) will receive the full game for free when(ifevercough) it releases.

Cheers and good luck for getting this going! It bids fair to be ultra-groggy for the topic! They even plan to have a playable Elco PT-boat for the eventual first release!

Please note, this is an in development, very early, pre-alpha version of Crush Depth for early backers who are already familiar with this project. At this stage, we are still nowhere near what anyone would consider a finished product. The pictures and other media you see on this page are also a work in progress and not representative of the final product.

We are opening up the Tech-Demo for your support and feedback. We fully welcome your input, criticisms, questions, experiences, suggestions, and anything else you would like to share with us. Only by getting you, our supporters, involved in the process of shaping this project, can we get to where we want to be. We hope you will accept that invitation and support us by purchasing the Tech-Demo.

All of the features listed below are what we aspire to, not what is available in the Tech-Demo version at this time.

This is not fun
War isn't fun, and we're not going to sugarcoat the realities of history. Out of the 1,156 U-Boats which were commissioned, 765 never returned to port. Out of around 40,000 men that served in the U-Boat arm, 30,000 of them never returned to port (with some sources even citing higher losses of life).

On the allied side, no fewer than 2,603 merchant vessels were lost to German submarines, at the gruesome cost of no fewer than another 30,000 who lost their life at sea. Our goal is to offer an honest glimpse into the brutality of the Atlantic campaign.

Unparalleled realism
To recreate the most realistic U-Boat simulation ever conceived of, we have set up collaborations with numerous archives worldwide to obtain the original blueprints used in the construction of the Type VII-C U-Boat. We are also being advised by one of the last men still alive who served on a U-Boat, Mr. Friedrich Grade, chief-engineer on U-96 and U-183. Even further, we have a partnership with the ĎFreundeskreis U-995í, whose sole purpose is to restore and maintain the last Type VII-C in existence. Your support of this project is the support of maintaining history, both virtually and physically.

We are rebuilding the Type VII-C U-Boat to a level of fidelity that has never been seen before. We are giving the countless other ships and planes you will encounter a similar treatment. All of the units you will encounter in this project are one-to-one translations of the original blueprints and building regulations, built with the utmost attention to detail. To make it function realistically as well, we are developing a level of physics simulation that takes into account things such as hydrostatic pressure, viscous resistance, electrical conductivity, propagation of sound through different mediums, salinity, temperature, Boyleís law, and many, and many more factors. Another fine example there: our world is not flat, but a proper oblate spheroid, with full bathemetry and height data, accurate to 15 arc-seconds.

Your actions and decisions will matter. Your engine failure will not be the result of some randomizing algorithm deciding it is time to do so. Your torpedoes missing their target will not be the result of some chance generator determining you have hit enough already. Everything you will see happening will be the result of stone-cold physics. We will be able to create a level of realism that has never been seen before in any other submarine simulator.

...but donít get us wrong either. We are not deliberately trying to scare people away by making something so complicated that you will need to get a Ph.D. in submarining first just to enjoy Crush Depth. You will find interactive tutorials that will teach you everything you need to know: from complex interactions between the engine management, ballast system, and rudder controls needed to dive the boat properly, to how to decode and encode radio traffic with the enigma machine, to making a tasty Eintopf for your crewmates.

Apart from that, you will be able to customize your experience to suit just how complicated you want things to be. If you are not particularly interested in performing the ten-odd steps one would have to perform to turn on a compressor, you wonít have to. A click of a button will allow you to simplify that process to a single step. Even further, you can forego having to do that at all, by letting the intelligent AI take control of whatever task you have in mind.

The World of Crush Depth
Crush Depth will offer you a variety of settings. Our main focus for the further development of this project is creating a persistent MMO-environment, set in and around the U-Boat base of Lorient, France. From there, you and your crew members will depart for the Atlantic and other parts of the world. Apart from the patrols themselves, the project will also spend a great deal of attention on life on shore, from repairing and restocking your boat, preparing and planning for your next departure, coordinating radio traffic with those currently at sea, to having a drink or two (or three, or four, or five) with your fellow sailors in the local bar.

Apart from all the valves, dials, and other machinery, you will be able to interact with, other items you find onboard or bring on your person will be fully interactive as well. This will allow you to engage in dozens of other activities, such as playing a game of chess or skat with your crewmates, having a cup of coffee, or trying to nick your captainís pair of binoculars (The later is probably ill-advised, but we feel we shouldnít ignore the lighter side of life on board either).

Your own player character will also be fully customizable to your own liking, offering a wide range of options in terms of physique, clothing, accessories, and the like. Over the course of your career, you will indeed be able to obtain medals and other insignia to display your skill and achievements to the many other people we hope to welcome to this project.

The worldwide, persistent MMO-setting is however not the only game modes we will roll-out. Other options will include historical encounters, where you will be put in the exact same time and spot as some of the real skippers were. Customizable encounters, where you can decide for yourself what kind of ships you wish to encounter, where, when, and under which conditions. Interactive training missions, that will allow you to dot the iís and cross the tís before you decide itís time to get in the thick of it. All of these modes are fully networked as well, ready for you to have at alone, or with a group of friends.

Even more, if you would rather play on the allied side, why not? This is something we hope to expand on in later versions of the project, but a playable Elco PT-Boat (and perhaps some other units as well), will be included in a first release.

Support our project!
Your contributions make a big difference to our project. Building a complex and historically accurate representation of the Battle of the Atlantic is a very significant investment. We have opened up the project at this incredibly early point in the project to allow those who see the value in what we are trying to achieve to help us financially by purchasing a Tech-Demo and Release key incredibly early.
We have thought about fundraising through Kickstarter, but the realities of working in an incredibly niche genre means support is built over a long period of time after trust is built with the community. We are fully committed to bringing this project to life and post constant updates to our Discord. We hope to see you there as well.

Thank you all for your consideration and support!
Title: Re: Is there a CRUSH DEPTH thread yet...?
Post by: Redwolf on June 10, 2021, 12:45:31 PM
Looks nifty. Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Is there a CRUSH DEPTH thread yet...?
Post by: Jarhead0331 on June 10, 2021, 01:14:36 PM
It is being developed as an MMO. Even though it seems to have some encounters playable solo, I have a feeling it is just not going to be my bag.
Title: Re: Is there a CRUSH DEPTH thread yet...?
Post by: Destraex on June 11, 2021, 08:29:36 AM
The detail and practical functionality in those subs seems a lot better than any other sub sim I have seen. I might keep an eye on it.
The free demo is 16gig btw.

EDIT: Demo is very impressive. Love playing with the engine.
Title: Re: Is there a CRUSH DEPTH thread yet...?
Post by: Toonces on June 11, 2021, 03:12:18 PM
There is virtually nothing in that description that appeals to me, but that's just me. 

I will say, though, that that is an awful lot of features TBD.  I would be very, very careful jumping into this in early access.  It sounds almost overly ambitious.
Title: Re: Is there a CRUSH DEPTH thread yet...?
Post by: JasonPratt on June 11, 2021, 04:10:00 PM
It is being developed as an MMO. Even though it seems to have some encounters playable solo....

I've heard it does in the demo, but I have no idea what the full price tech demo has. (Yet -- see below.)

It's true that this is being developed as an MMO (somewhat like the VR game Wolfpack but more ambitious). However, supposedly you can dial down the detail to more of a macro level (one button push if you don't want to go through the ten steps to start a compressor yourself), and can hand off duty functions to a (supposedly) competent AI. So in that regard, it shouldn't be any different (supposedly) from any other sub-solo game, aside from the capability to play a career as someone other than a captain, thus focusing more on the tech aspects as the game plays itself around you.

Supposedly.  ^-^

After checking some initial reviews, it looks as though the current full price content is exactly the same as the current demo. So the concept would be that you try the demo, decide to support the development (with Steam acting something like Kickstarter, which this used to be), and as time goes on the paid program gets more details while the demo might not.

This business model seems problematic, of course, since the market for such a super-sim seems necessarily even more fractional than the market for sub games at all; meaning the dev might get all his probable profit long before finishing the game into even a playable alpha.