Russia's War Against Ukraine

[Toonces]

Could've been 9 months.  Even that seems kind of surreal.

[Gusington]

Depends on what your start date is. For the Donbas we could say the war started in 2014.

[JasonPratt]

For the Crimea.....

[GDS_Starfury]

the Letterman/Zelensky interview is pretty damn good.  catch in on netflix.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/david-letterman-interviews-ukraines-zelenskiy-underground-subway-2022-12-12/

[GDS_Starfury]

so it seems the Ukraine is getting Patriots.  :bd:

[GDS_Starfury]

traversing mud in a ML-TB  :o

https://twitter.com/i/status/1602735572585697280

[Skoop]

so it seems the Ukraine is getting Patriots.  :bd:

Interesting, I wonder if they place the patriots in Kharkov close to the Russian boarder, if the patriots will reach into Russia and swat at those mig 31s launching hypersonics and long range A2A missiles.  Not sure if they have the range, but they'll definitely swat incoming cruise missiles.

[GDS_Starfury]

me thinks theyll be somewhere in the middle ground.  just the optics of shooting down anything over russian territory might be worth the risk.

[Windigo]

me thinks theyll be somewhere in the middle ground.  just the optics of shooting down anything over russian territory might be worth the risk.

I love the idea of those bad boys just being there.

BTW, I wonder when the UAF are going to send some more of their own homegrown missle teck into Russia for testing purposes of course.

[FarAway Sooner]

The war is in its eleventh (calendar) month.  But it's only been going on for a little less than 10 months.

[Crossroads]

traversing mud in a ML-TB  :o

https://twitter.com/i/status/1602735572585697280

Wow, that's an MT-LBv even, with wide tracks, and it's going nowhere! I guess we can safely conclude that maneuvering season is off.

The wide-tracked version has a feather light ground pressure at 4 Psi, half of that of a foot-mobile person just by himself, no gear. The latest up-armored Bradley IFV has 10 Psi, having just googled it out of curiosity.

MT-LBv are used by Russia's arctic forces, for instance the 80th MRB near Murmanks. Also in use by Finnish Army, with a reputation that if it gets stuck, nothing else will move either.

Edit: Well, had to check, Bv206 all terrain carrier's got a ground pressure of 2 Psi, so half of MT-LBv. But then again it is designed for such a special role. Not sure if even those would work there, the ground looks incredibly soft there.

[Gusington]

If the winter in Eastern Europe shapes up to be anything like the one here in semi upstate NY...it's going to be a long one. This has already been a December to remember weather wise.

[Sir Slash]

And I hear another big storm is on the way.  :hide:

[Gusington]

Yeah, ice...the worst. And of course that finishes off a week of The Wife traveling for work, so she'll be delayed one more day...much like Russian success on the battlefield.

And an even bigger storm is predicted for next week, right around Christmas, for the northeast.

All that said I do not know if the winter has been unusual in any way for eastern Ukraine or just your regular brutal one so far.

[Tripoli]

Here's an podcast with CNA analyst Michael Kofman on the upcoming winter events.  Well worth the listen: https://warontherocks.com/2022/12/winter-and-beyond-an-inflection-point-in-the-war-over-ukraine/