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 :o  Talk about coming out of freakin' nowhere.

https://www.wargamer.com/articles/ultimate-general-american-revolution/

Good news. I wouldn't say out of nowhere though. I think it's a logical progression after Age of Sail.

Want to bet whether the next title in the Ultimate General series will be Napoleonics?

Awesome. I would buy both UG: American Revolution and UG: Napoleon. I would throw money at the screen for UG: Franco-Prussian War, UG: Russian Revolution and/or UG: The Great War. All in good time...

Totally into this, hopefully early access not crazily expensive....and hope maybe the gameplay will be a little slower to represent tactics of the day....fingers crossed!

I'll be watching this one, but think I've got my hands full for a while with UA:AoS and UA:D.

They need to finish AoS and get it to work right first.

I saw that today too. Lots of big promises there, we'll see. But in the meantime, even my old loins can still moisten. A little.

I'll certainly be keeping an eye out for it; but I can never seem to get past the Battle of Shiloh in UG:CW (on the Confederate side) without losing my enthusiasm for the game. The game is just so very gamey sometimes (in at least two senses of that word), both for and against the player (but especially against), in order to foist things along. It never seemed that way when I was playing the original UG:Gettys,  but maybe I didn't get far enough.

I would LOVE a, "Swamp Fox" campaign.  \m/

^I would be surprised if you didn't get one.

Hope you're right. I'm talking the REAL Marion here, not Mel Gibson waving a flag and killing Brits with a tomahawk. Though, that could be fun too.

Quote from: JasonPratt on November 16, 2020, 11:26:51 PM
I'll certainly be keeping an eye out for it; but I can never seem to get past the Battle of Shiloh in UG:CW (on the Confederate side) without losing my enthusiasm for the game. The game is just so very gamey sometimes (in at least two senses of that word), both for and against the player (but especially against), in order to foist things along. It never seemed that way when I was playing the original UG:Gettys,  but maybe I didn't get far enough.

There are definitely scenarios in UGCW where the key to winning is to know exactly what's going to happen and deploy your troops perfectly to meet it. That was never true in UGG. And I got all the way through to Pickett's Charge.

Quote from: solops on November 16, 2020, 06:00:49 PM
They need to finish AoS and get it to work right first.

This is definitely exciting news, particularly since I have JUST been reading the first Revolutionary War history I have ever picked up, but yeah, my one qualm is that I would like them to keep working on AOS and in fact I wouldn't mind a little more work on UGCW.

Maybe they can make enough money to do it all, though. They'll sure get some of mine.

^RyanE is pleased.

Quote from: Sir Slash on November 17, 2020, 12:49:49 PM
Hope you're right. I'm talking the REAL Marion here, not Mel Gibson waving a flag and killing Brits with a tomahawk. Though, that could be fun too.

Careful what you say... don't forget that both sides were technically "Brits" at the time cousin Jonathan! There is a reason why they were called "rebels" and also why there was also considerable sympathy in some quarters of Westminster, and in England generally as this was not seen as a "foreign war" - at least not until the evil, garlic breath French got involved (I hope you're listening Sauron!  >:D  ;D ;)). People like Thomas Paine were English and George Washington's grandfather was born about 10 miles from my father's place of birth...

https://time.com/5326345/british-american-revolution-1776/
https://openlibrary.org/books/OL3293365M/British_supporters_of_the_American_revolution_1775-1783

BTW, I'm really looking forward to this game... O0

Quote from: Boggit on November 18, 2020, 06:09:10 PM
Careful what you say... don't forget that both sides were technically "Brits" at the time cousin Jonathan! There is a reason why they were called "rebels" and also why there was also considerable sympathy in some quarters of Westminster, and in England generally as this was not seen as a "foreign war" - at least not until the evil, garlic breath French got involved (I hope you're listening Sauron!  >:D  ;D ;)). People like Thomas Paine were English and George Washington's grandfather was born about 10 miles from my father's place of birth...

https://time.com/5326345/british-american-revolution-1776/
https://openlibrary.org/books/OL3293365M/British_supporters_of_the_American_revolution_1775-1783

Heh, this comment reminds me of that episode of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia where they flash back to their (however many great) grandparents at the start of the Revolution, who are drafting up a Declaration of Dependence because they're absolutely sure the Crown will win the war, and they don't want to be punished as "rebels."   ;D

(Couldn't find this particular gag in question on YouTube, but this one's pretty good too.)

^^ NSFW, by the way.  ::)

 :2funny:

Boston was all about the American tyrant merchant class not wanting cheap British imported tea!  :-X
Sorry just revisting this after looking into Game Labs acquisition. I had forgotten it was even in development.

You can even get it in early access now. The new owners will probably loot box  it :P
https://www.ug1775.com/?fbclid=IwAR2kONiPum0dmuN7FwcAnjW6LJ-KgW3lYh_niCU-4DWVktEWIKVfVMmFLKE

Quote from: Destraex on May 13, 2021, 08:47:35 AM
Boston was all about the American tyrant merchant class not wanting cheap British imported tea!  :-X
Sorry just revisting this after looking into Game Labs acquisition. I had forgotten it was even in development.

You can even get it in early access now. The new owners will probably loot box  it :P
https://www.ug1775.com/?fbclid=IwAR2kONiPum0dmuN7FwcAnjW6LJ-KgW3lYh_niCU-4DWVktEWIKVfVMmFLKE

Do you have direct link to gaining access?  When I click on BUY button, still says not ready for purchase yet.

When I click on the link it also just has a way to subscribe to a newsletter. 

I previously did not click the link but got my info from this statement just above the "buy now" button;
"The game is currently in active development. With the "Limited Edition" you immediately gain access to the development build and start playing!"
I clicked it and just got an invitation to join a newsletter for the game.
https://www.ug1775.com/buypage

Here is what a friend said about the American Revolutionary Wars: Fact or Fiction?
"The revolution was more about stealing land off the Indians, the British had limited the expansion of the colonies with treaties which land speculators like Washington wanted to overturn. Taxs were next to nothing back then and no more than an excuse."

I think his info comes from this book:
https://www.amazon.com.au/Rebels-Redcoats-American-Revolutionary-War-ebook/dp/B00HY5EXTI?fbclid=IwAR1s4WAUklkrKJLrn2t_xVKLlEheOrsMWduvGxyOClO3T463SIEcCAku8HY

One game i will get for sure. Would love to see them use this engine for ancient Greece and the like.....

Quote from: Destraex on May 13, 2021, 05:23:07 PM
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Here is what a friend said about the American Revolutionary Wars: Fact or Fiction?
"The revolution was more about stealing land off the Indians, the British had limited the expansion of the colonies with treaties which land speculators like Washington wanted to overturn. Taxs were next to nothing back then and no more than an excuse."

I think his info comes from this book:
https://www.amazon.com.au/Rebels-Redcoats-American-Revolutionary-War-ebook/dp/B00HY5EXTI?fbclid=IwAR1s4WAUklkrKJLrn2t_xVKLlEheOrsMWduvGxyOClO3T463SIEcCAku8HY

Just so happens I've read a few American Revolution books recently, as I'm in kind of a phase of picking off one by one eras and topics of history that I've never been much into.

I think your friend's idea is partially true. The underlying cause of the war is that the British wanted to just use the colonies as a piggy bank for their wars with the French, including by restricting westward expansion to authorized Crown proprietors (or alternatively, by forbidding it to try to make peace with the French). Genearlly, as the colonies became more self-sufficient and more capable of self-defense they reached a point where they didn't have to put up with that crap any more. It was a prickly situation but probably solvable until a reactionary Parliament became more interested in sending messages to the colonists to put them in their place than in fixing things, and passed the Intolerable Acts. That really pissed the Americans off, and things escalated from there, as neither side was willing to back down.

Expansion restriction was certainly key to getting the land-owners in on the thing, but it was also critical to get the town merchants into it because they were better able to popularize the idea of rebellion. So you certainly can't overlook the punitive taxes and duties, especially in the Intolerable Acts.

Thanks for the rebuttal glen55.
I myself have never been much into American history. I know more about the American civil war than the revolutionary war of American independence. I really must read for myself one day. Perhaps closer to this threads games release.
I believe the book he read went with a surprise surprise, British Historian's documentary series.

As always I look for bias in sources and seek to balance that bias.

What books did you read by the way?

Yeah des, leave our revolution alone.  Just cause you aussies didn't have the balls to do one.....Lol I'm purely joking bruh.  No disrespect.  Just breaking your balls in "Good Fellas" way to quote the movie.

Yeah.  Trying to portray such a complex event as "due to one thing" is a bit of an oversimplification, whatever that one thing might be...

My sense is that it was, among other things, also a disastrous failure of British diplomacy, where a months-long command loop meant that orders and authorizations arriving in the hands of British representatives in the colony were out-of-date, tone-deaf, and unintentionally inflammatory.  They also seemed to be guided more by domestic political considerations within England than they were by any common-sense analysis of the facts of the situation involving the two parties. 

Put those two things together, add all the kindling caused by diverging interests of English and Colonies land owners and merchants, the "Intolerable Acts", mix in a few other ingredients, and you had the fire we Americans call the Revolutionary War.

Quote from: Skoop on May 16, 2021, 06:40:13 PM
Yeah des, leave our revolution alone.  Just cause you aussies didn't have the balls to do one.....Lol I'm purely joking bruh.  No disrespect.  Just breaking your balls in "Good Fellas" way to quote the movie.

All good.  All we could muster was this; these days they call it a battle. In other countries it would not even be mentioned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eureka_Rebellion

We ended up with this symbol of rebellion and Australiana from it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eureka_Flag
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Theeurekaflag.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Eureka_stockade_battle.jpg)

Quote from: FarAway Sooner on May 16, 2021, 09:02:48 PM
Yeah.  Trying to portray such a complex event as "due to one thing" is a bit of an oversimplification, whatever that one thing might be...

My sense is that it was, among other things, also a disastrous failure of British diplomacy, where a months-long command loop meant that orders and authorizations arriving in the hands of British representatives in the colony were out-of-date, tone-deaf, and unintentionally inflammatory.  They also seemed to be guided more by domestic political considerations within England than they were by any common-sense analysis of the facts of the situation involving the two parties. 

Put those two things together, add all the kindling caused by diverging interests of English and Colonies land owners and merchants, the "Intolerable Acts", mix in a few other ingredients, and you had the fire we Americans call the Revolutionary War.

I really must read about it in detail some time. If only to be informed in detail about the beginnings of the USA. I actually got all three volumes of shelby footes civil war history but am yet to find the time or inspiration to read that. That will probably happen when a game or movie inspires me again.

Quote from: Destraex on May 17, 2021, 05:00:21 AM

Quote from: FarAway Sooner on May 16, 2021, 09:02:48 PM
Yeah.  Trying to portray such a complex event as "due to one thing" is a bit of an oversimplification, whatever that one thing might be...

My sense is that it was, among other things, also a disastrous failure of British diplomacy, where a months-long command loop meant that orders and authorizations arriving in the hands of British representatives in the colony were out-of-date, tone-deaf, and unintentionally inflammatory.  They also seemed to be guided more by domestic political considerations within England than they were by any common-sense analysis of the facts of the situation involving the two parties. 

Put those two things together, add all the kindling caused by diverging interests of English and Colonies land owners and merchants, the "Intolerable Acts", mix in a few other ingredients, and you had the fire we Americans call the Revolutionary War.

I really must read about it in detail some time. If only to be informed in detail about the beginnings of the USA. I actually got all three volumes of shelby footes civil war history but am yet to find the time or inspiration to read that. That will probably happen when a game or movie inspires me again.

If I may suggest McPherson's "Battle Cry of Freedom" for a excellent, single volume history of the US Civil War.  It has excellent analysis and being only a single volume is less of a time suck than Footes' history.    https://www.amazon.com/Battle-Cry-Freedom-Civil-War/dp/019516895X/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=Battle+Cry+of+Freedom&qid=1582075681&sr=8-1&linkCode=sl1&tag=cwmonitor-20&linkId=632fe786287b90f2ea173e35b9dc1771&language=en_US

^ Concur on the McPherson recommendation.  Shelby Foote is a good read but it is a real commitment to get through all 3 volumes.  I did it, but it took a while and a few starts.

I actually don't know much about the American Revolution either.  I'm embarrassed to admit it, but it's the truth.  I took an elective in school on George Washington and so I was able to pick up quite a bit about the Revolution through that, but I've never sat down and made a dedicated study of it.  I really should do that.   :-[

This is all you need

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZMmPWTwTHc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZMmPWTwTHc)

Quote from: Destraex on May 16, 2021, 06:16:14 PM
Thanks for the rebuttal glen55.
I myself have never been much into American history. I know more about the American civil war than the revolutionary war of American independence. I really must read for myself one day. Perhaps closer to this threads games release.
I believe the book he read went with a surprise surprise, British Historian's documentary series.

As always I look for bias in sources and seek to balance that bias.

What books did you read by the way?

I read:  Alan Taylor, The Settling of North America and American Revolutions: A Continental History

Robert Middlekoff, The Glorious Cause: The American Revolution 1963-89, and

Ron Chernow, Alexander Hamilton and Washington: A Life

And I still feel a little bit at sea about how the Revolution came about, which seems to be a pretty complicated subject. It seems that conditions making it possible developed organically, but it didn't have to happen and perhaps wasn't going to happen until a series of events suddenly propelled it along. The major players pretty universally tended to be reacting to events as opposed to enacting a scheme.

I really enjoyed John Ferling's Almost a Miracle for a military history of the American Revolution (570 pages).  He also has a companion book on the political history of the war titled A Leap in the Dark.  I've read only bits and pieces of that one (was a library loan). 

I can second MacPhearson, and also his prior book surrounding the American Revolution, Freedom Just Around the Corner,  both of which are very balanced and detailed.

However, neither book focuses on the wars, but rather are meant to be early histories of the US from first settlers up through the settlement of the 48 states (generally speaking) i.e. up until the start of modern industrialization in the late 19th century. As I recall, the main war for each book lasts for only one or maybe two chapters.

Quote from: JasonPratt on May 20, 2021, 12:48:44 PM
I can second MacPhearson, and also his prior book surrounding the American Revolution, Freedom Just Around the Corner,  both of which are very balanced and detailed.

However, neither book focuses on the wars, but rather are meant to be early histories of the US from first settlers up through the settlement of the 48 states (generally speaking) i.e. up until the start of modern industrialization in the late 19th century. As I recall, the main war for each book lasts for only one or maybe two chapters.

The first 300 pages of "Battle Cry" deal with the political and strategic situation from about 1840 to 1861.  The remaining 400 or so pages go over the war itself. see table of contents here: https://www.amazon.com/Battle-Cry-Freedom-Civil-War/dp/019516895X/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=Battle+Cry+of+Freedom&qid=1582075681&sr=8-1&linkCode=sl1&tag=cwmonitor-20&linkId=632fe786287b90f2ea173e35b9dc1771&language=en_US&asin=019516895X&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1

Is this game still a thing any more?

I know Gamelabs was recently acquired by Stillfront Inc and don't know how things are going to progress from there as much of Stillfronts business model is free to play stuff and play by subscription. I can't see many gamers being happy with that.

I wasn't, but time will tell...

Saw this page, suggests 2023...but who knows

https://www.gamepressure.com/games/ultimate-general-american-revolution/z65f7d?msclkid=6f2c7fe3c25811ecadd6dd84663198ed

Quote from: Grim.Reaper on May 13, 2022, 06:05:21 PM
Saw this page, suggests 2023...but who knows

https://www.gamepressure.com/games/ultimate-general-american-revolution/z65f7d?msclkid=6f2c7fe3c25811ecadd6dd84663198ed

That's disappointing if true. I guess some news is better than no news though...

Quote from: Jarhead0331 on May 13, 2022, 06:47:26 PM

Quote from: Grim.Reaper on May 13, 2022, 06:05:21 PM
Saw this page, suggests 2023...but who knows

https://www.gamepressure.com/games/ultimate-general-american-revolution/z65f7d?msclkid=6f2c7fe3c25811ecadd6dd84663198ed

That's disappointing if true. I guess some news is better than no news though...

If I am not mistaken, these developers are in Ukraine so even 2023 might be optimistic.......

Quote from: Grim.Reaper on May 13, 2022, 06:56:21 PM

Quote from: Jarhead0331 on May 13, 2022, 06:47:26 PM

Quote from: Grim.Reaper on May 13, 2022, 06:05:21 PM
Saw this page, suggests 2023...but who knows

https://www.gamepressure.com/games/ultimate-general-american-revolution/z65f7d?msclkid=6f2c7fe3c25811ecadd6dd84663198ed

That's disappointing if true. I guess some news is better than no news though...

If I am not mistaken, these developers are in Ukraine so even 2023 might be optimistic.......

They are in Kiev, but I don't like excuses.

JH, you really need to use your winkie face in posts like that, man!   ;)

The best military history of the American War that I ran across was The Glorious Cause, by Middlekauf https://www.amazon.com/Glorious-Cause-American-Revolution-1763-1789/dp/019531588X/ref=kwrp_li_std_nodl (https://www.amazon.com/Glorious-Cause-American-Revolution-1763-1789/dp/019531588X/ref=kwrp_li_std_nodl).  It is about 2/3 military, but constantly frames everything in terms of the political realities on both sides of the Atlantic, and it does a good job analyzing the lead-up to the outbreak of hostilities. 

I have no idea how fairly it's regarded by English scholars of the topic, but American scholars of the topic seem to view it as a fairly even-handed treatment of things.  It's not short, but few good histories are.

In terms of histories of the American Civil War, it might be the most interesting to military enthusiasts of other countries to focus on the military side of the conflict, due to the foreshadowing of WW I tactics and doctrine.  Machine guns and barbed wire weren't invented yet, but the use of rapid-reloading rifles and the increasing deadliness of cannon fire were definitely the first signs that the balance of power was shifting decisively towards the defender.

There's a bit of a Culture Wars kerfluffle in the U.S. today around whether the US Civil War was about Southern States "fighting for freedom and states' rights", or "to preserve the institution of slavery".  Without sending this thread off to the R&P board, I'd suggest that non-US-born readers might be okay skipping books that are heavy on the historical analysis, because that stuff is probably of little interest to them and some of it is of dubious historical accuracy.  A focus on the military side of the American Civil War neatly sidesteps that problem. 

Along those lines, you might well be better off just reading a book on the Battle of Gettysburg for a view into the military realities of the time and sidestep all the political conjecture.  The Killer Angels by Shaara is some first-rate historical fiction, if you need an easy-to-read and short warm-up on the topic.  His history is not impeccable, but I think it's pretty good for the most part.

There are a dozen or more excellent books available on The Battle of Gettysburg.  It's certainly the best-documented battle ever fought on American soil.

Sounds like this was at least confirmed to be in progress, but no release date.....day one purchase, if not a pre purchase whenever it comes:)

(https://onehexaway.files.wordpress.com/2023/04/337094683_3354738174774965_2266294773159610245_n.jpg?w=1920&h=768&crop=1)

Me too...day one purchase. I know I have been trying to swear off day one buys, but this one just looks too good  :3musketeer:

Reading further, so someone mention early access not too far off...that would be great.  My only hope is they slow things down a bit for me, love teh Civil War game, but can get hectic fast across the large maps.  Revolution was a little more intimate in scale, so hopefully that helps.

Do you have any links? Looks like they took the land component of their Age of Sail game and developed it further.

Will there be a naval component for the American Revolution game?

Quote from: Gusington on April 08, 2023, 09:47:37 AMDo you have any links? Looks like they took the land component of their Age of Sail game and developed it further.

Will there be a naval component for the American Revolution game?

Screenshots show ships and they mention Naval so I assume so.....

Web Site
https://www.ug1775.com/

Forum
https://forum.game-labs.net/forum/190-ultimate-general-american-revolution/

The 'delayed reporting system' for messages sounds like a great new twist. Several people in the forums commented on how this does indeed look like the land component of the Age of Sail game taken to the next level and I totally agree.

Quote from: Gusington on April 08, 2023, 09:59:39 AMThe 'delayed reporting system' for messages sounds like a great new twist. Several people in the forums commented on how this does indeed look like the land component of the Age of Sail game taken to the next level and I totally agree.

Time will tell....hopefully we get in our hands soon, even if early access.

Have you played Age of Sail?

Sounds, 'Revolutionary' doesn't it?  :ThumbsUp:

Quote from: Gusington on April 08, 2023, 10:04:48 AMHave you played Age of Sail?

Yep, although not a great deal.  But I played the Civil War versions quite a bit, which this seems very similar.

I enjoyed them both, Civil War and Age of Sail games. Very much looking forward to this revolution game.

Quote from: Gusington on April 08, 2023, 09:33:50 AMMe too...day one purchase. I know I have been trying to swear off day one buys, but this one just looks too good  :3musketeer:

+100 !!!

That screenshot looks bloody amazing.

Now where is my red coat to fight for King George's honour. :-)

 :knuppel2:

Bloody stroppy colonials.

 :cool:

Quote from: Grim.Reaper on April 08, 2023, 09:53:38 AM

Quote from: Gusington on April 08, 2023, 09:47:37 AMDo you have any links? Looks like they took the land component of their Age of Sail game and developed it further.

Will there be a naval component for the American Revolution game?

Screenshots show ships and they mention Naval so I assume so.....

Web Site
https://www.ug1775.com/

Forum
https://forum.game-labs.net/forum/190-ultimate-general-american-revolution/

Wow!!  Based on those screenshots this game seems to me to be a must buy. 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is by the same outfit that did Ultimate Admiral: Dreadnoughts? I am right in this? Also, being from the pedigree of Ultimate Admiral: Civil War and Age of Sail means it is NOT a sandbox, rather 'on rails', do each set mission one after another game style, right?

Grateful advice on both these assumptions regarding this upcoming game.

Games Labs is the publisher which did the games you mention. However I am not sure what actual dev team under their banner is creating the game.
As for the sandbox aspect, I think half the point of this new game is to bring sandbox. The map is supposed to be seemless zoom in and out right into battles like the strat and tactical maps are one and the same? At least that was the impression I got.

Quote from: apoll on April 09, 2023, 03:13:58 AMCorrect me if I'm wrong, but this is by the same outfit that did Ultimate Admiral: Dreadnoughts? I am right in this? Also, being from the pedigree of Ultimate Admiral: Civil War and Age of Sail means it is NOT a sandbox, rather 'on rails', do each set mission one after another game style, right?

Grateful advice on both these assumptions regarding this upcoming game.

The opening line on the website says the following:

American Revolution is a sandbox strategy game featuring the epic historical period during the rebellion of the American colonies against the British Empire.

So it implies sandbox but to what degree and how it works, probably anyone's guess until release.  Within the actual battles, I wouldn't be surprised to see timers/objectives like the previously Civil War title, but not sure if that is what you meant by being on rails.  Based on reading the descriptions, gives the impression the over all campaign is open ended but I guess we will see.

'On rails': you know, linear set of missions (or very limited options) and you have to successfully complete one to move onto the next one. Fail to win a battle, as in Ultimate Admiral Civil War, and you cannot progress: have to try again. Opposite of sandbox mode where you are not stuck to a set story line and you choose where to engage or not.

Ok, I note sandbox feature in the advertising blurb. Thank you. That's encouraging. Hopefully, not stuck to a set story line with set missions to complete before can advance. Great.

Yea, I fear it's the same mob that did Dreadnoughts. I really hope there is no repeat of that release disaster. I swore I'd never buy another title from them again after being burned over Dreadnoughts, but I have to say, this looks very tempting, especially if sandbox.

Thank you for advice. Appreciate it.

Was following this a few months ago then rumours of project been abandoned started - is there new news or has someone just picked up on the original game news again

Quote from: undercovergeek on April 09, 2023, 09:40:48 AMWas following this a few months ago then rumours of project been abandoned started - is there new news or has someone just picked up on the original game news again

Developers announced on their facebook page that they updated the site and people indicated this is being discussed on a discord channel with the developers.  Saw another strategy site indicate the same.  Seems real and sounds like early access might not be too far off.  Developers have commented in the forums as well, so seems safe this has not been abandoned.  Prior to the recent news, there wasn't even an official forum, now there is.

 :TimeOut:

I love Dreadnoughts and Game Labs style of games.

I have been playing their games on and off for years. I haven't gone back to Dreadnoughts since its full release and the implementation of the campaign, and while there have been some issues with the newer components of the game I don't think it's launch was a total disaster. It's a fun game and I have been looking for a game like it for 30+ years. Game Labs is a supportive, innovative group...I haven't seen anything from them indicating that they are 'a mob.'

Maybe I am wrong. But I'm very much looking forward to this American Revolution game and will be playing more Age of Sail in the meantime.

I hear what you're saying apoll regarding game on rails and getting stuck on a mission preventing you from finishing the campaign.  That's how Ultimate General: Civil War is.  I like that game but found that I had to give up on it when I reached maybe the fourth or fifth mission and couldn't get past it. 

Like taking the wind out of your sails.  In any case I hope this new game is different but we shall see.  I'm still keeping this one on my radar.   :cool:

In my case, I always kind-of rage-quit UG:CW at the Shiloh mission -- not for failing but because I always beat the linked missions early and then the program doesn't know what to do about that so just resets me to where it expected me to fail!  :knuppel2:  :tickedoff: DAMMIT I EXHAUSTED MYSELF TAKING THE UNION POSITION AND HOLDING IT, WHY ARE YOU INSISTING I GO BACK WITH MY DEPLETED EXHAUSTED UNITS AND TAKE IT THE HELL AGAIN!?!

Quote from: JasonPratt on April 10, 2023, 10:47:11 AMIn my case, I always kind-of rage-quit UG:CW at the Shiloh mission -- not for failing but because I always beat the linked missions early and then the program doesn't know what to do about that so just resets me to where it expected me to fail!  :knuppel2:  :tickedoff: DAMMIT I EXHAUSTED MYSELF TAKING THE UNION POSITION AND HOLDING IT, WHY ARE YOU INSISTING I GO BACK WITH MY DEPLETED EXHAUSTED UNITS AND TAKE IT THE HELL AGAIN!?!

That is kind of where I ended up in UG:CW.  I got to a point where the only way out was to start the whole campaign again but play it differently hoping for a better outcome. 

The other annoyance was you had to win battles decisively in order to gain the cash and rewards needed to upgrade your stuff properly.  Minor victories simply don't generate enough cash to have a chance of winning in the long run. 

A true sandbox, which is what I hope UG:AR will be, allows you to build up your economy and infrastructure enough to handle a few minor defeats here and there and still have a chance of eventually winning. 

haha!  UG:CW's ai pretty much is telling you that look, you're a loser so you might as well stop now or I will stop you.  Start the campaign over again until you git gud.  You know what I have to say to the ai?  $%$@@^^@$ and the horse you rode in on.

Ok rant off.  :laugh:

I typically only played the battles themselves versus the campaign.  Either way, buying this no matter what:)

Quote from: JasonPratt on April 10, 2023, 10:47:11 AMIn my case, I always kind-of rage-quit UG:CW at the Shiloh mission -- not for failing but because I always beat the linked missions early and then the program doesn't know what to do about that so just resets me to where it expected me to fail!  :knuppel2:  :tickedoff: DAMMIT I EXHAUSTED MYSELF TAKING THE UNION POSITION AND HOLDING IT, WHY ARE YOU INSISTING I GO BACK WITH MY DEPLETED EXHAUSTED UNITS AND TAKE IT THE HELL AGAIN!?!

Wow, I've played that game a grunch and never had that happen. Maybe because I play a little bit cautious and don't just try to hornswoggle the AI.

I'm not even trying to hornswoggle the AI; my mission was to take that walled base area, I took that walled base area and held it -- just sooner than the game's mission structure thought I should take it. I played the game extremely well on managing my troop buildup and composition, and on beating my missions including all side missions, up to Shiloh.

What made me rage quit (two or maybe three times) at that point, was realizing I would have to reload and play that part of the mini-campaign again trying to FAIL taking the objective with no clear idea how I was supposed to fail it (much less with minimal damage to my troops) and yet proceed.

I replayed a couple of times thinking I had to win the fight a different way, but nope no matter which way I won it, I wasn't supposed to win it, so the game penalizes me by insisting I win it again with the troop losses and exhaustion I took in winning it early.

What would be the actual definition of a, 'Hornswoggle'? An actual cheat, or just a confusing move for the AI? I'm in favor of anything to win that doesn't either cause the game to crash, self-destruct, or report me to a Game Moderator for perpetual banishment. 'Hornswoggle' or just a regular, 'Swoggle' is fine by me.  :justice:

I think hornswoggling would in this case be playing outside what the AI expects or otherwise trying to trick the AI, not cheating per se (though the term more broadly used could include cheating).

But I wasn't trying to trick or play outside the AI at all. I just did what I was told the objective was, and ta-daa, surprise, the mission structure wasn't taught to even allow the possibility that I would achieve the objective.

I had the same experience with it with Jason.  I still enjoyed the game but I look forward to the new system in the Revolution title.

Yosemite Sam didn't like Hornswoggling neither.

Or high-fallutin'.

Or rabbits.

I appreciated the way Unity of Command 1 handled that "linear progression" challenge.  You had 3 different mini-campaigns, and failing in one had implications for how far you could make it in that mini-campaign, but you could lose one battle (say in the Southern Front) and crush another battle (say taking Leningrad in the north) and still have some strategic fluidity in where you got to go.

It certainly was NOT a sandbox game, and each scenario was effectively a puzzle-game just like those titles have been since Panzer General, but the combinations and permutations of winning a decisive victory in one place and only barely winning a marginal victory somewhere else gave it a little more replayability.  It also made it feel more like a real military campaign, and less like a puzzle-solving exercise.

Could we be getting closer to early access release?  Release trailer below, although strongly looking forward to this, certainly looks like this could be hectic controlling everything:)

Nice, very much looking forward to this.

Quote from: Grim.Reaper on June 15, 2023, 07:06:14 PMCould we be getting closer to early access release?  Release trailer below, although strongly looking forward to this, certainly looks like this could be hectic controlling everything:)

Like the website popping up out of nowhere all that time ago this video is really strange as well. An account with only this single video to it's name (this one) and comments turned off. Also set to children as a rating. Not a company judging by the acct name but seems to be an account created in 2010. So the youtube acct itself is 13yrs old. It's like a team is developing this freelance after the project was canned by the parent company. Alternately it could be fake?

Good detective work Des! -- I have no idea what the hell.

GR, unless they've hampered the engine dramatically, the Ultimate General games have always allowed and encouraged pausing to give orders. It's hard for me to keep up with everything sometimes, but control per se has never been a problem for me.

No idea on the marketing and rollout of this thing, but don't think it's fake or anything like that for a number of reasons.

- The official product page has the video embedded into it.  If fake, would think the developers would have removed it.

- They do have an official forum where it's posted as well and nobody from the "official" dev team has said anything about it.  I would think if fake, they would have said something and/or taken it down.

- What motivations would someone have to go to this extreme in producing a fake video?  The screens and gameplay shown clearly show American Revolution information, it would take a lot of work to make that stuff up.

The devs have really never committed to any timeframes or information releases, except saying it would be going to early access "soon"...but that is vague.  I continue to remain optimistic.

I did not realise it was on their actual page. I really hope this game comes through.
Is their official forum part of the games labs site?

As for a fake video, a lot of people have done fake trailers in the past to get paid for youtube views. In this case the product is so niche that I would also have thought that was unlikely.

What is not answered though is why the video would not have come through a more trusted youtube account. Could it be that the devs are ukranian and this particular guy is posting without great access to official youtube accounts? Games labs who published naval action, ultimate general and admiral certainly were iirc and this is likely the same perhaps "distributed" team... I also seem to remember that the ultimate general guy was a greek guy who was originally a total war modder called darthmod.
Will early access be through steam?

Yes, the official forums is part of their over official forums, so legit place.

I do understand some people do fake things out, I was just saying in this instance can't see any benefit for a game like this as the audience isn't huge....benefit didn't seem to outweigh the effort.

No idea about where the video is posting from, I don't really ever look at that detail as most videos are embedded into another site and I simply hit the play button. Certainly makes sense it should be posting on official channels, but no idea how many other games I play where that doesn't happen.

No idea if will be on Steam and/or their own platform, no information available on the plans yet and there is no steam page up yet.

Fake video or not I think my main concern, that got my attention in these last few posts, is that if battles are not pauseable I'm afraid I'd have to turn down this game. 

And when I say pauseable I mean allow me to issue orders to my units and plan my strategy whilst in the pause state.

'whilst'

you slay me  :cool:

Quote from: Gusington on June 16, 2023, 12:30:16 PM'whilst'

you slay me  :cool:

Thank you Gus, I'm flattered.  But I'm not this cool IRL I'm afraid.  I'm kind of a nerd. LOL

 :Dreamer: 'kind of'

Quote from: W8taminute on June 16, 2023, 12:25:06 PMFake video or not I think my main concern, that got my attention in these last few posts, is that if battles are not pauseable I'm afraid I'd have to turn down this game. 

And when I say pauseable I mean allow me to issue orders to my units and plan my strategy whilst in the pause state.

I would be surprised if pause was not in it as their previous title had it.

Actually their previous three games all allowed orders to be given when paused, and I think it's space for pause instead of some obscure key you have to find to press.

Ultimate General Gettysberg
Ultimate General Civil War
Ultimate Admiral

All allow orders when paused, and I don't think you'd have a prayer in any of those games if they didn't.

Looks like the developers have released a new promo video.  This game is really looking good.  Check out the commentary from a YouTuber I like a lot.  He's such a strategy nerd like the rest of us.  Be advised he's got a strong New Jersey accent, as that's where he's from, but he talks a good talk when it comes to games.

Check out his Grand Tactician series as well.

Excited for this...but this video just looked like him looking at the images on the site of the game and commenting, didn't sound like he had any actual hands on with it or provided anything new, or did I just miss it? You mentioned a new promo video, is it any different than what was previously posted in this thread?  If so, have a link?  Thanks.

The only thing I found was that the website was updated.

Here are their forums https://forum.game-labs.net/forum/191-general-discussions/

Quote from: W8taminute on July 06, 2023, 07:11:25 PMThe only thing I found was that the website was updated.

Here are their forums https://forum.game-labs.net/forum/191-general-discussions/

Thanks, believe that all was from earlier in June from the posts earlier in this thread including the released developer video.  I was thinking based on your last post there might have been something else released more recently, unless I am missing it.  No worries, just always interested in new information on this one...

Quote from: Grim.Reaper on July 06, 2023, 07:19:58 PM

Quote from: W8taminute on July 06, 2023, 07:11:25 PMThe only thing I found was that the website was updated.

Here are their forums https://forum.game-labs.net/forum/191-general-discussions/

Thanks, believe that all was from earlier in June from the posts earlier in this thread including the released developer video.  I was thinking based on your last post there might have been something else released more recently, unless I am missing it.  No worries, just always interested in new information on this one...

Posts in the forum suggest early access release within a month

giggity

Quote from: undercovergeek on July 06, 2023, 08:48:32 PM

Quote from: Grim.Reaper on July 06, 2023, 07:19:58 PM

Quote from: W8taminute on July 06, 2023, 07:11:25 PMThe only thing I found was that the website was updated.

Here are their forums https://forum.game-labs.net/forum/191-general-discussions/

Thanks, believe that all was from earlier in June from the posts earlier in this thread including the released developer video.  I was thinking based on your last post there might have been something else released more recently, unless I am missing it.  No worries, just always interested in new information on this one...

Posts in the forum suggest early access release within a month

Thanks, saw that too and hope true.  Wasn't sure where the person was getting the release info so still skeptical until the developers are more open with their plans.  But again, I hope so as I can't wait to play it.

This seems like a more fleshed out land combat game from the age of sail game.  Tbh, I liked that there was some land combat in that game, but as the campaign went on, it seemed like a chore to do some of the land missions.  The ship combat was what I really loved about the game.  Not sure a focused land combat title would really do it for me unless there was some really cool campaign features to tie it all together. 

This really just feels like UA-Age of Sail with out the ships, when the ships were the best thing about the engine ????

I could be wrong, sounds like some of you maybe getting this on release, so I'll wait and see first impressions.

Quote from: Skoop on July 07, 2023, 04:00:13 PMThis seems like a more fleshed out land combat game from the age of sail game.  Tbh, I liked that there was some land combat in that game, but as the campaign went on, it seemed like a chore to do some of the land missions.  The ship combat was what I really loved about the game.  Not sure a focused land combat title would really do it for me unless there was some really cool campaign features to tie it all together. 

This really just feels like UA-Age of Sail with out the ships, when the ships were the best thing about the engine ????

I could be wrong, sounds like some of you maybe getting this on release, so I'll wait and see first impressions.

Watching the video linked above there appears to be some naval element to the game

Definitely has naval aspects, quote from their page...

Naval combat
Your fleet will play a crucial role in the war. Your ships must be properly outfitted so that they can control important sea regions, cut enemy supply lines, and transport troops to surprise the enemy with a coastal attack. The naval combat system offers realistic sailing mechanics, a detailed damage model, and beautiful ships of the historical era.

I still have not played Age of Sail - you all enjoyed it?

I thought it was entertaining.  It was interesting to see elements from naval action in the game, so i was right at home.  It scratches the itch for age of sail and helped me close the book on naval action when the devs killed the old game with the free to play.

I'll be interested to see what's different with this one compared to UA age of sail.

Having watched the video, looks like they did finally added the total war strategic element to the game making it more dynamic, which is huge for the series.  I wish they had done this with UA, but hey, maybe it took part 2 to get it right.  This will definitely be an upgrade and make UA AoS obsolete.

^Hopefully not before I play it  :undecided:

Quote from: Gusington on July 08, 2023, 08:22:09 AMI still have not played Age of Sail - you all enjoyed it?

Enjoyed it immensely and finsihed the British campaign. However have to finish the second campaign (Americans) and buy the barbary one. I eventually intend to finish both final campaigns.
Ultimate Admiral Age of Sail was a fairly canned campaign where you could choose whether or not to do side missions or not, as well as a selection of delegated missions you could assign captains to, but could only auto resolved. Then of course you could choose when to do the main missions by skipping or finishing all of the side missions. Often making up stength by completing side missions before doing the main missions in a turn.
I loved collecting a fleet and choosing my captains and crews for each ship. Maintaining a fleet of transports with troops was also good fun.
Now if ultimate general american revolution combines all of the above with a total war style campaign in real time with supply lines and such that total war did not have, well..:::: I might just faint with joy.

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Looks like they were testing the purchase pages, maybe close to release and a glimpse into options to buy...they took it down since then.  Not sure what officer in game means to warrant the extra $30 to have it...care less about name in credits:)

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An officer based on an image users submit?

Quote from: Gusington on July 10, 2023, 04:07:29 PMAn officer based on an image users submit?

Not sure:)  Seems kind of a weird thing but to each their own if someone likes that:)  Maybe just your name or something, which is also something I could care less about, especially for $30 more.

While it'd be cool to put in my French Army ancestor that fought in the war with the Colonials it's not $30 cool. 

My Revolutionary War officer would be Benedict Arnold. That way I could play either side whenever I wanted.  :ThumbsUp:  Actually, I've always had a particular affinity for Francis Marion The Swamp Fox.

Quote from: Gusington on July 10, 2023, 04:07:29 PMAn officer based on an image users submit?

general gushington?

Quote from: undercovergeek on July 11, 2023, 05:35:14 AM

Quote from: Gusington on July 10, 2023, 04:07:29 PMAn officer based on an image users submit?

general gushington?

I suppose a portrait of a seal would break immersion.  :cool:

....not in water. Historical immersion. Metaphorically.

Major Loin Moistening?   :cheerswine:

Both sound adorable.

Need this game so badly. But I can wait for steam. Bit over early access.... unless it is on steam. Then I might bite.
In the mean time I guess I could go for Ultimate Admiral Again and continue my US campaign.... one look at it and it had my head spinning. I have no idea what I was thinking back when I started the campaign. It's rather like coming back to a total war campaign after years away.

Yep, still my number one anticipated release.  Hasn't been any new information released in awhile so really no idea if close or not.  For awhile there, thought it would be released around July 4th holidays and if not then by end of July (totally based on nothing).  But seems unlikely with no additional hype going on.  For me, I don't care whether it releases on Steam or not as their own game launchers have worked easily and without any issue for me and I assume when it comes to actual release it will eventually get to Steam anyways.  No way I can hold off playing this as interests me way too much.

I hear you, but I really want to hold off. Damn I hope this is multiplayer.
P.S. Do we know how the other games labs game is coming along? The single\coop sailing game similar to naval action, but with the internals of the ship modeled.

In all the web site info provided, screenshots, trailer, forums, discord, etc. there has been no indication of multi-player.  And since AOS didn't have it, suspecting that will continue to be the case, but who knows.  I know you enjoy multiplayer games but I am the complete opposite so I always like it when the developers fully focus on single player:)  But of course the best option would be to include single and multi player to reach a wider audience.

Naval Action is their take on MP I guess.  I like having SP focused games, but it would be nice to have Coop PVE in their dreadnaughts game, could really fun to test your builds with friends.

I meant this game... the single player "naval action". It's been in development for a very long time now. Am still looking forward to this. I still go back to naval action every now and then, still a great game. But I am less into multiplayer in naval action now so sea legends would have been perfect. Again Ultimate Admiral will scratch the itch when I get it.

https://www.sea-legends.com/

Saw new picture....this fort will be a tough nut to crack for the Americans:)

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Nice pic thx. I imagine the original one had trench works in front?

After UA:D I'm pretty hesitant on anything Game-Labs related.

QuoteNaval Action is their take on MP I guess.  I like having SP focused games, but it would be nice to have Coop PVE in their dreadnaughts game, could really fun to test your builds with friends.

They have a SP/RP/COOP title in the works that's similar to NA.

I've played through the Ultimate Admiral: Age of Sail game the last few days and enjoyed it. Will play a few of the missions and a campaign in the next few days too.

Quote from: Gusington on August 26, 2023, 10:13:31 PMI've played through the Ultimate Admiral: Age of Sail game the last few days and enjoyed it. Will play a few of the missions and a campaign in the next few days too.

I said UA:D, not UA:AoS.

AoS is great. Dreadnoughts is an absolute abortion.

I have to say I have enjoyed everything I have played from games labs so far. Naval Action, Ultimate General, Ultimate General Civil War, Ultimate Admiral Age of Sail. Ultimate Admiral Dreadnoughts is taking longer to finish but the core game was enjoyable... the campaign I have not looked at in years but I understand that is still being developed?
IIRC Games Labs are Ukrainian? So would not be surprised if they were a bit slower with development atm.

Quote from: Destraex on August 26, 2023, 10:54:06 PMI have to say I have enjoyed everything I have played from games labs so far. Naval Action, Ultimate General, Ultimate General Civil War, Ultimate Admiral Age of Sail. Ultimate Admiral Dreadnoughts is taking longer to finish but the core game was enjoyable... the campaign I have not looked at in years but I understand that is still being developed?
IIRC Games Labs are Ukrainian? So would not be surprised if they were a bit slower with development atm.

Game-Labs is spread out over various studios, one being in the Ukraine that's dev'd UA:D. The UG series is one game genre under the same team as is evident given the GUI. The AoS team is also the same, though it is split between teams in Greece and Malta.

Dreadnoughts on the other hand has one of the worst GUI's, CAI's, and TAI's I've ever seen.   

Dreadnoughts ended up being terrible and was largely abandoned.

It was always just trying to be a copy of Rule the Waves, blatantly so to the point it was almost a 1:1 attempt and adopting its system.

They're letting it go right now with it being essentially just a shell of a game with a terrible UI.

Hopefully they're on their game with the Revolution.

Quote from: SirAndrewD on August 26, 2023, 11:38:35 PMDreadnoughts ended up being terrible and was largely abandoned.

It was always just trying to be a copy of Rule the Waves, blatantly so to the point it was almost a 1:1 attempt and adopting its system.

They're letting it go right now with it being essentially just a shell of a game with a terrible UI.

Hopefully they're on their game with the Revolution.

Funny thing is, the CAI in UA:D largely reacts the exact same as the CAI in Rule the Waves.

Recently playing RTW in a late-war start...

I watched Great Britain invade Norway and Denmark, the United States invade Canada and Columbia, and Russia invade South Africa, Australia, and India. So absurd, both games.   

Quote from: DetCord on August 26, 2023, 11:50:41 PM

Quote from: SirAndrewD on August 26, 2023, 11:38:35 PMDreadnoughts ended up being terrible and was largely abandoned.

It was always just trying to be a copy of Rule the Waves, blatantly so to the point it was almost a 1:1 attempt and adopting its system.

They're letting it go right now with it being essentially just a shell of a game with a terrible UI.

Hopefully they're on their game with the Revolution.

Funny thing is, the CAI in UA:D largely reacts the exact same as the CAI in Rule the Waves.

Recently playing RTW in a late-war start...

I watched Great Britain invade Norway and Denmark, the United States invade Canada and Columbia, and Russia invade South Africa, Australia, and India. So absurd, both games.   

I never honestly got to have any kind of a decent campaign in Dreadnoughts.

I played USA and Japan about twice each and in both cases most of the world had collapsed into anarchy due to naval spending by 1900.

It'll be really interesting to see how this game plays out...  The American Revolution wasn't a particularly bloody war in terms of battlefield deaths, so I'm curious to see if they model that accurately.

I know what you said DetCord.

Saw this posted at their forums...maybe getting closer.....


It's been confirmed that the game infrastructure is up and running on the download platform. Just waiting now for the latest version of the game to be uploaded and then the developers will announce a release date.

Man, I wouldn't want to go up against that fort in UG:CW either! (Or UG:G for that matter.)

It's beautiful in a menacing way  :ninjameditate:

Like that girl with all the piercings down at the local Tatoo Parlor.  :Dreamer:

^Exactly  :Nerd:

Don't talk about my mom that way.

Strictly in a complimentary sense  :Dreamer:

D

Quote from: Grim.Reaper on August 28, 2023, 04:30:46 PMSaw this posted at their forums...maybe getting closer.....


It's been confirmed that the game infrastructure is up and running on the download platform. Just waiting now for the latest version of the game to be uploaded and then the developers will announce a release date.

Looks like when it does get released it will be on the Xsolla platform, which I am not very familiar with.  It also seems when they were doing some store testing, some people got to a hidden purchase page and even possibly a 1-year old build of the game, although nobody has posted impressions from it.  They had a screen shot that suggested the Colonel version of the game will be $49.99, no idea what the other levels might be.

Still no release date yet for early access....

Quote from: Grim.Reaper on September 03, 2023, 04:24:43 AMD

Quote from: Grim.Reaper on August 28, 2023, 04:30:46 PMSaw this posted at their forums...maybe getting closer.....


It's been confirmed that the game infrastructure is up and running on the download platform. Just waiting now for the latest version of the game to be uploaded and then the developers will announce a release date.

Looks like when it does get released it will be on the Xsolla platform, which I am not very familiar with.  It also seems when they were doing some store testing, some people got to a hidden purchase page and even possibly a 1-year old build of the game, although nobody has posted impressions from it.  They had a screen shot that suggested the Colonel version of the game will be $49.99, no idea what the other levels might be.

Still no release date yet for early access....

I actually used Xsolla for early access on Ultimate Admiral: Dreadnoughts (fantastic underrated game BTW). Zero issues.

Quote from: CaptainKoloth on September 03, 2023, 05:30:31 AMI actually used Xsolla for early access on Ultimate Admiral: Dreadnoughts (fantastic underrated game BTW). Zero issues.

+1 on Ultimate Admiral Dreadnoughts. I know others have problems with it, but I think it is the best 3D dreadnought era game out there. So I am looking forward to the new game.

I also used Xsolla for earlier builds of Dreadnoughts and never had any issues.

A friend was telling me last night how he has been playing rule the waves 3 non stop but thinks UAD is still the better game for tactics as it is not simple dice roles. RTW3 apparently has no way of telling you if it has spotted ship fired torpedoes and also is missing some types of cruisers and such from it's default lineup. I guess both hasve their strengths.

I plan to get back into UA:D this fall/winter. There have been a ton of updates since I last played.

Quote from: ArizonaTank on September 03, 2023, 08:46:07 AM

Quote from: CaptainKoloth on September 03, 2023, 05:30:31 AMI actually used Xsolla for early access on Ultimate Admiral: Dreadnoughts (fantastic underrated game BTW). Zero issues.

+1 on Ultimate Admiral Dreadnoughts. I know others have problems with it, but I think it is the best 3D dreadnought era game out there. So I am looking forward to the new game.

UAD - addictive. It and Shadow Empire monopolize all my gaming time. It takes a planned effort to break away to try something else.

Another video....

Who is simonjons1 who posted that video?

Presumably someone associated with the development team from their discord channel.

Cool Bananas.
Makes sense it's from discord because it's not searcheable on youtube. I assume it's not marked public. So getting it off discord would make sense.

Video makes me a little nervous. Doesn't seem very balanced. Continentals took that wall far too easily and with way too few casualties.

Yeah, I'm kind of there too. And in only a minute. Maybe they were Elite troops of some kind?

Game video footage indicated still in alpha testing, which is still pretty early in the development and would assume we'll see a lot more balancing down the road but certainly something to keep an eye on.  In the discord  chat the developer did mention that areas of the walls are passable and some due to the fact that artillery can take them down.  But it did look like the troops had no problem overrunning the defenders but the developer mentioned morale and cohesion comes into play so maybe the defending troops were low quality and/or had low morale from something prior to the assault.

And if truly still in alpha testing phase, starting to wonder how close we really are to early access, might be awhile yet.

Getting closer.....word from developer and video on campaign ui

We are working to finalize a few bugs and balance issues. We have started to prepare video tutorials for the upcoming EA release. Here is a tutorial video telling about campaign UI.

They also indicated no plans for multiplayer, which is not a surprise.  Although they say technically feasible, it would depend on multiple factors and their main focus is on single player.

^I see that as a good thing, but I am a crusty SP-only type.

Same here.  No multiplayer in this title means no problem for me. 

The only game in the ultimate series that had multiplayer support was gettysburg, the very first one. So no surprise there. For the ultimate general series it does not bother me.

Is it weird that as much as I play FPS and Sims in multiplayer I never even touch wargames?  Never even have once!

So no, this doesn't bother me. 

Maybe someone needs to hold me down and force me to play PBEM on one of the WDS titles with a teeny scenario like babies first over 40 online wargame training session so I'll get over my apathy.

So not even eugen games like steel division which are very light wargames made with multiplayer in mind as a major component?

I think stellaris is probably the game with the largest scope that I have ever played multiplayer in. I don't usually play grand strategy games multiplayer.

Early access is imminent:

Seems like it has been close for a long time, but hopefully soon:)

After I watched the above it was clear that it is still, perhaps, a few weeks out.

A week ago they indicated they just started creating tutorial videos and still were working on bugs/balancing issues so probably safe that we are a little ways off.  Looking at discord and their forums, really no hint of a release date although one of the active people has alluded to a October release for some time, but no idea if just guessing or has some inside information.  Would be awesome if true....really still my most anticipated game at the moment, although with Front Office Football 9 coming out this month, there is competition for my time:)

Also looking forward to this - hoping it captures my attention to sit down and played - tried to play ultimate general but never could get in to it. 

The reason why Ultimate General was a failure, IMHO, was because of it's scripted campaign. 

I hope this game will be sandboxy in nature because if it is nothing but a collection of scripted battles I'll see you later. 

Quote from: W8taminute on October 14, 2023, 08:57:06 PMThe reason why Ultimate General was a failure, IMHO, was because of it's scripted campaign. 

I hope this game will be sandboxy in nature because if it is nothing but a collection of scripted battles I'll see you later. 

On the opening statement on their official website it identifies the game as sandbox and by all the other information available points to sandbox and not scripted. 

American Revolution is a sandbox strategy game featuring the epic historical period during the rebellion of the American colonies against the British Empire. Take on the role of the British or American Colonists, and fight for territorial control over North America. A gripping real-time campaign awaits you on a detailed 3d map where you can build your army and navy, construct military infrastructure, and fully command your armies on a regimental level. If you want even more action you can fully zoom-in and fight massive battles on a battalion level.

Some more tutorial videos....

Land Battles

Naval Battles

Headquarters

Quote from: Grim.Reaper on October 15, 2023, 05:16:57 AM

Quote from: W8taminute on October 14, 2023, 08:57:06 PMThe reason why Ultimate General was a failure, IMHO, was because of it's scripted campaign. 

I hope this game will be sandboxy in nature because if it is nothing but a collection of scripted battles I'll see you later. 

On the opening statement on their official website it identifies the game as sandbox and by all the other information available points to sandbox and not scripted. 

American Revolution is a sandbox strategy game featuring the epic historical period during the rebellion of the American colonies against the British Empire. Take on the role of the British or American Colonists, and fight for territorial control over North America. A gripping real-time campaign awaits you on a detailed 3d map where you can build your army and navy, construct military infrastructure, and fully command your armies on a regimental level. If you want even more action you can fully zoom-in and fight massive battles on a battalion level.

I love the sandbox notion and the total war style of campaign, will be worth giving this a look.  I'm just not sold on the setting, is there a way for asymmetric warfare to be portrayed, along with some of the other nuisances of the revolution ?   
I feel like this game would be better if it was Napoleonic or even French Indian War, just for the nature of gameplay.  I bet it'll be fun none the less, but it'll be like playing a random faction in a total war game versus capturing the immersion of the revolution. 

More videos and screenshots....



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I'm really getting excited about this title!

Quote from: Skoop on October 17, 2023, 12:27:41 PM

Quote from: Grim.Reaper on October 15, 2023, 05:16:57 AM

Quote from: W8taminute on October 14, 2023, 08:57:06 PMThe reason why Ultimate General was a failure, IMHO, was because of it's scripted campaign. 

I hope this game will be sandboxy in nature because if it is nothing but a collection of scripted battles I'll see you later. 

On the opening statement on their official website it identifies the game as sandbox and by all the other information available points to sandbox and not scripted. 

American Revolution is a sandbox strategy game featuring the epic historical period during the rebellion of the American colonies against the British Empire. Take on the role of the British or American Colonists, and fight for territorial control over North America. A gripping real-time campaign awaits you on a detailed 3d map where you can build your army and navy, construct military infrastructure, and fully command your armies on a regimental level. If you want even more action you can fully zoom-in and fight massive battles on a battalion level.

I love the sandbox notion and the total war style of campaign, will be worth giving this a look.  I'm just not sold on the setting, is there a way for asymmetric warfare to be portrayed, along with some of the other nuisances of the revolution ?   
I feel like this game would be better if it was Napoleonic or even French Indian War, just for the nature of gameplay.  I bet it'll be fun none the less, but it'll be like playing a random faction in a total war game versus capturing the immersion of the revolution. 

I agree that Napoleonic would have been much better, even seven years war.

Grim I really appreciate you posting all of these videos and screenshots :)
Just so you know this is what happened when I tried to show one of the videos on another website:
Perhaps this is why nobody can search for the videos.
The link goes to voxukraine.org/ru and continues on a longer link
(https://i.imgur.com/QEh4167.png)

Quote from: Destraex on October 28, 2023, 07:07:06 PMPerhaps this is why nobody can search for the videos.
The link goes to voxukraine.org/ru and continues on a longer link

I can see his videos no issue. 

Must be the King's saboteurs.

Quote from: Destraex on October 28, 2023, 07:07:06 PMGrim I really appreciate you posting all of these videos and screenshots :)
Just so you know this is what happened when I tried to show one of the videos on another website:
Perhaps this is why nobody can search for the videos.
The link goes to voxukraine.org/ru and continues on a longer link
(https://i.imgur.com/QEh4167.png)

No idea, when shared on this site has no such issue and where I get them from doesn't appear to have issue either.  Can't answer what the reason is and since I get them from the official source and can view them, doesn't concern me that I can't search for them on YouTube:)

I think it would simply be that the youtube account is from a Ukranian or Russian region and that the site I tried to post to is simply parsing through a generic filter same as youtube sharing restrictions is? I imagine a lot of devlopers from those regions are facing this sort of thing at the moment.

I love UGCW General and still play it often, so I would have no problem getting into this if it was another scripted campaign. I find the American Revolution very interesting.

A sandbox would necessarily have a strategic layer, one would think, and that would be challenging. Politics (national and international, as well as regional and local), civilian morale, diplomacy, and of course logistics would all be critical. If modeled correctly, and with the workable tactical system they already have, this could be a truly amazing game if they hit it all aces.

But like I said, it would be challenging to get there.

I can tell that the snapshots are through Discord, or at least "discordapp".

Meanwhile, this reminds me that I long ago bought a Polish(?) game from Matrix which included a rather asymmetrical sandbox US independence campaign with tactical battles. I forget the name, might not even work on today's systems, but I never got around to playing it.

Quote from: JasonPratt on October 31, 2023, 01:49:04 PMMeanwhile, this reminds me that I long ago bought a Polish(?) game from Matrix which included a rather asymmetrical sandbox US independence campaign with tactical battles. I forget the name, might not even work on today's systems, but I never got around to playing it.

You're probably thinking about For Liberty!

https://www.matrixgames.com/game/for-liberty

Yeah, I don't think it works on modern systems.

I have For Liberty and the free 1848 game from the same developer and they both work on my Windows 10 desktop. I just fired up For Liberty and it plays fine though the graphics are very dated.

Both are pretty decent games for their time.

Damn I forgot all about 1848...

The news we have been waiting for!  Sort of....although ready for EA release, they are having issues with their release platform:(  Hopefully they figure out quickly....

We have good news and bad.
I will start with the good part. We made huge progress with the game in October with the help of focus testers. Many of the game's crashes were fixed, the balance improved, a huge amount of game-breaking bugs were fixed, usability of different game mechanics was improved.  The game is ready for EA release. The game will include the US campaign from April 1775 till August 1776. The campaign will contain 3 stages - Boston, ft. Ticonderoga and Canada. The content is good for learning the game and providing feedback that will help us improve the game. We will continue to develop further content for the US campaign opening the whole map after EA release.
Now a bad part - Unfortunately we have an issue with the release now because the Xsolla platform has problems. We work with the Xsolla team to fix them ASAP.

Quote from: Grim.Reaper on October 31, 2023, 05:22:27 PMThe news we have been waiting for!  Sort of....although ready for EA release, they are having issues with their release platform:(  Hopefully they figure out quickly....

We have good news and bad.
I will start with the good part. We made huge progress with the game in October with the help of focus testers. Many of the game's crashes were fixed, the balance improved, a huge amount of game-breaking bugs were fixed, usability of different game mechanics was improved.  The game is ready for EA release. The game will include the US campaign from April 1775 till August 1776. The campaign will contain 3 stages - Boston, ft. Ticonderoga and Canada. The content is good for learning the game and providing feedback that will help us improve the game. We will continue to develop further content for the US campaign opening the whole map after EA release.
Now a bad part - Unfortunately we have an issue with the release now because the Xsolla platform has problems. We work with the Xsolla team to fix them ASAP.

Buhhh - where's my red coats at

But still can't wait

Has this one been posted? Looking good.

They reported today still working on distribution platform issues, some it works for them while others it doesn't.  No eta on fixes and release.

Yeah they have been working with Xsolla (SP?) for a few weeks. Not sure what the specific problems are.

Seems like one thing after another with this game, would have thought this stuff figured out earlier...hope this is not a sign of things to come.

The problems with Xsolla have been fixed, but now we are waiting for a response from Steam. Can we provide keys to all early backers when the game releases on Steam? Steam has started to make life very difficult for game developers lately. We need to understand where the game will be released in the future to provide keys: Steam or Epic Game Store. We still hope that Steam will be the platform where the game will be released in EA.

 :undecided:

Quote from: Grim.Reaper on November 09, 2023, 07:00:56 PMSeems like one thing after another with this game, would have thought this stuff figured out earlier...hope this is not a sign of things to come.

The problems with Xsolla have been fixed, but now we are waiting for a response from Steam. Can we provide keys to all early backers when the game releases on Steam? Steam has started to make life very difficult for game developers lately. We need to understand where the game will be released in the future to provide keys: Steam or Epic Game Store. We still hope that Steam will be the platform where the game will be released in EA.

Sounds like a whole lot of horse $hit to me.

Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 09, 2023, 09:26:24 PM

Quote from: Grim.Reaper on November 09, 2023, 07:00:56 PMSeems like one thing after another with this game, would have thought this stuff figured out earlier...hope this is not a sign of things to come.

The problems with Xsolla have been fixed, but now we are waiting for a response from Steam. Can we provide keys to all early backers when the game releases on Steam? Steam has started to make life very difficult for game developers lately. We need to understand where the game will be released in the future to provide keys: Steam or Epic Game Store. We still hope that Steam will be the platform where the game will be released in EA.

Sounds like a whole lot of horse $hit to me.

Yep, starting to sound like excuse after excuse and it's not their first game so not sure why they wouldn't have known this stuff from the start.

Yeah, in my experience when a developer starts blaming their distribution platform - on which hundreds of games are released daily- for some vaguely articulated issue preventing them from release... there's other stuff going on.

Release date has been announced....next Tuesday, November 14th.

Keep our fingers crossed

Quote from: W8taminute on November 10, 2023, 04:33:52 PMKeep our fingers crossed

Yep, hoping nothing else happens, still the top game I have been waiting for, hope it doesn't disappoint.

Its been released.  Be aware, you will not be able to get a steam key in the future, you'll need to repurchase it.  If you want steam, might want to wait.

Really? That sucks. I wonder why they changed their policy...with other releases customers were migrated to Steam from Xsolla.

I got it. Have only played about 10 minutes.

It was fun and looks very pretty, but it is still clearly very early access. Needs some fluff, details, and content and, of course, a good amount of balancing.

My take away from the Steam notice wasn't that there will not be any keys necessarily, but that they are unable to issue them now or guaranty them in the future. A Steam release doesn't seem planned until summer of 2024 anyway, so I figured, what the hell... :twirl:

Quote from: Jarhead0331 on November 14, 2023, 12:33:41 PMI got it. Have only played about 10 minutes.

It was fun and looks very pretty, but it is still clearly very early access. Needs some fluff, details, and content and, of course, a good amount of balancing.

My take away from the Steam notice wasn't that there will not be any keys necessarily, but that they are unable to issue them now or guaranty them in the future. A Steam release doesn't seem planned until summer of 2024 anyway, so I figured, what the hell... :twirl:

On their discord channel, they implied this version and steam version would be separate purchases.  Of course if people ok with current platform, then getting a steam version not required......I guess we will see next year.

Game is certainly work in progress, like the way it looks for sure.  Had blue screen crash but not sure if because of game or my computer as I have had strange issues recently so hopefully this isn't constant.

Maybe I should hold off a bit and see how this go....

AAAND Purchased.

I think my issues are computer related, but unfortunately it's preventing me from gaming now...which is bad timing with this coming out.  Based on the errors I suspect its the video card so I need to determine if I want to buy just a cheap stop gap video card until I go big with a new computer, which I really don't need beyond this issue so was hoping to hold off for another year or two.  I would go for one of the top cards, but don't think my motherboard can handle it along with the necessary cooling that would be required, which basically would lead me to just replacing everything.

I guess my gaming will be on the console for the time being:)

And don't forget a possible power supply upgrade for the video card!

Quote from: bobarossa on November 14, 2023, 03:44:08 PMAnd don't forget a possible power supply upgrade for the video card!

That I am already good with, have one of the larger sizes already:)

Quote from: SirAndrewD on November 14, 2023, 12:52:31 PMMaybe I should hold off a bit and see how this go....

AAAND Purchased.

........and then?

Quote from: undercovergeek on November 14, 2023, 04:21:39 PM........and then?

I routed my first army of Redcoats! 

Haven't had a chance to really dig into it.  Having to actually do a full day of work for once.

I liked what I saw right off the bat though. 

Quote from: SirAndrewD on November 14, 2023, 05:56:48 PM

Quote from: undercovergeek on November 14, 2023, 04:21:39 PM........and then?

I routed my first army of Redcoats! 

Haven't had a chance to really dig into it.  Having to actually do a full day of work for once.

I liked what I saw right off the bat though. 

Aaaaaaaaaannnnnd thennnnnnn?

Pacing really needs balance. Combat moves too fast. Units seem to get exhausted very quickly, casualties happen very fast, which also results in units breaking much faster than should be expected. it doesn't seem as if troops in cover and concealment really gain much of a defensive bonus. LOS elements are there in the present build, but need a lot of work too. The UI is extremely basic. Very few controls for formations, movement, etc. It's very rough around the edges, but it's beautiful to look at and fun to play. Have not tried naval combat yet and I wish the British forces could be player controlled.

There is tremendous potential here.

In case folks didn't see their roadmap, gives an idea of the order where new things will be added, although no specific timing.  They did state desire to be complete in summer 2024, which if true, then seems like these items should come out on some frequent basis to be fully complete by then.

I tried to play more last night, but computer is frequently crashing so likely will be awhile before I fully get to play:)

(https://i.imgur.com/SiDGsEP.png)

Oooh playble Brits...

Quote from: Gusington on November 15, 2023, 09:10:05 AMOooh playble Brits...

I think if I didn't have anything else to play this would be bought already

It looks lovely and I'm sure it will get better with every update

I look forward to pummelling the un grateful colonials with ranks of fire from the red coats

I'll keep watching for now

I pretty much echo Jarheads impressions.  Battles area bit fast and the AI a bit zergrushy.  It can put itself into some bad situations.

It's clearly EA but it's very fun to play just like the other UG/UA early access titles. 

I really hope they continue to develop this and possibly add 1812 and French and Indian wars.  This system with a bit slowing down could also make for some great Napoleonics.

I would be shocked if Napoleonics were not further along in the plans in say 3-4 years.

Quote from: Grim.Reaper on November 14, 2023, 09:33:00 AMIts been released.  Be aware, you will not be able to get a steam key in the future, you'll need to repurchase it.  If you want steam, might want to wait.

That just does not make sense...

Will wait for the Steam version.

Quote from: Gusington on November 15, 2023, 01:08:37 PMI would be shocked if Napoleonics were not further along in the plans in say 3-4 years.

No doubt. 

Were I Gamelabs I'd develop this title forward not backwards.  Use the America/Canada map and start to develop a few Napoleonic units for 1812 and then, pipe dream maybe add the Mexican-American War to further refine that.

If you go that route you're actively developing for Napoleonic will still getting DLC content for your title.

What do I know though, I just help run a multi million dollar business.

 :Dreamer: Mexican American War, Crimean War, Schleswig-Holstein War, Franco Prussian War...I'm starting to feel like Bubba Gump  :Party:

Quote from: Gusington on November 15, 2023, 01:53:06 PM:Dreamer: Mexican American War, Crimean War, Schleswig-Holstein War, Franco Prussian War...I'm starting to feel like Bubba Gump  :Party:

Yeah, what you have here is a system that's better than Total War for 18th/19th Century warfare.  It's just early in its life and will need work.

The engine though, and the AI, are light years ahead of doing this type of warfare than Empire TW was. 

All they need to do is take this title and refine it and develop that North America map further.

Stop teasing me  :TimeOut:

Quote from: SirAndrewD on November 15, 2023, 02:02:59 PM

Quote from: Gusington on November 15, 2023, 01:53:06 PM:Dreamer: Mexican American War, Crimean War, Schleswig-Holstein War, Franco Prussian War...I'm starting to feel like Bubba Gump  :Party:

Yeah, what you have here is a system that's better than Total War for 18th/19th Century warfare.  It's just early in its life and will need work.

The engine though, and the AI, are light years ahead of doing this type of warfare than Empire TW was. 

All they need to do is take this title and refine it and develop that North America map further.

Very encouraging to hear!

Quote from: Gusington on November 15, 2023, 02:03:52 PMStop teasing me  :TimeOut:

Seriously.  If I wasn't on such a tight budget I would have bought this immediately despite being in a sort of early access.

Right now I would like to know how detailed supply lines are? One thing total war always completely missed was how context and supply affected generals decisions to advance or retreat. Can the area support a large army or must it march in two columns of march for instance.

Quote from: Destraex on November 16, 2023, 05:00:06 PMRight now I would like to know how detailed supply lines are? One thing total war always completely missed was how context and supply affected generals decisions to advance or retreat. Can the area support a large army or must it march in two columns of march for instance.

It's pretty simple but I think it works for what the game is trying to achieve.  Units stay in supply as long as they can trace a supply line back to its supply hubs.  Supply travels from the hubs, which are capitals, ports ect, and then via villages to the army.
 
Take a town along the line and it can disconnect the other towns further from the hub. 

You can specify units to be on less or even no supply so you can prioritize other units. 

You can also set the army to forage or loot, drawing supply from the civilians at a cost of public support.

Units need to rest on the command map so they can draw supply and recover exhaustion or you can send a unit into battle exhausted and with low ammo.

Armies always march in multiple parts so each brigade is drawing supply individually.  Have a lot of brigades in one point and there seems to be only so much supply to go around.

Quote from: Destraex on November 16, 2023, 05:00:06 PMRight now I would like to know how detailed supply lines are? One thing total war always completely missed was how context and supply affected generals decisions to advance or retreat. Can the area support a large army or must it march in two columns of march for instance.

Just some additional information from the published info on supply and supply lines.....also good video.


Three base supply items are needed for each unit: weapons, ammunition and food. Weapons and ammunition are provided by weapon factories. Weapons are received when a new unit is created and later these weapons can be replaced by better ones, according to availability. Ammunition consists of gunpowder, bullets and balls which are spent in battle and must be replenished for maintaining your army in a minimum fighting condition. It is also necessary to constantly supply your army with food, otherwise non-combat losses will grow and the morale of the soldiers will drop. The army can forage a territory for food but, in this case, the welfare of the region and the loyalty of population will deteriorate.

Moving food and ammunition requires supply wagons, supply ships, and well-developed infrastructure. If the region is cut off from the supply line, then the army in the region can consume only its own supplies and rely on what lies in the region's warehouse or is produced by the region. The enemy can intercept convoys and, in this case, part of the supply will be captured by the enemy. Therefore, It is absolutely necessary to secure your supply lines and avoid letting your army be cut off from supply centers.

One thing I am not a huge fan is the startup of the campaign.  Although I am fine with the concept of generating your startup character based on how you answer questions, don't like how you have to go through a cut scene for each question.  Just put all the questions on one screen to make the process fast, doing these every time for new campaign will be tiresome.

^I remember feeling similarly about some of the opening screens for Age of Sail.

Balance is a bit tough right now. 

I'm not really able to get much into my first campaign, a week at best, before the Brits come out of Boston with about 3k Redcoats and roll up everything I've taken. 

Am I missing something?  Boston is already loaded with a qualitative and quantitively superior force and they instantly get heavy reinforcements.

Quote from: SirAndrewD on November 16, 2023, 05:23:41 PM

Quote from: Destraex on November 16, 2023, 05:00:06 PMRight now I would like to know how detailed supply lines are? One thing total war always completely missed was how context and supply affected generals decisions to advance or retreat. Can the area support a large army or must it march in two columns of march for instance.

It's pretty simple but I think it works for what the game is trying to achieve.  Units stay in supply as long as they can trace a supply line back to its supply hubs.  Supply travels from the hubs, which are capitals, ports ect, and then via villages to the army.
 
Take a town along the line and it can disconnect the other towns further from the hub. 

You can specify units to be on less or even no supply so you can prioritize other units. 

You can also set the army to forage or loot, drawing supply from the civilians at a cost of public support.

Units need to rest on the command map so they can draw supply and recover exhaustion or you can send a unit into battle exhausted and with low ammo.

Armies always march in multiple parts so each brigade is drawing supply individually.  Have a lot of brigades in one point and there seems to be only so much supply to go around.

That actually sounds really outstanding.
Only other thing I could ask for was that towns run out of supply. As in during winter it would be harder to supply an army in the field without special consideration. To supply stockpiles.

Quote from: Grim.Reaper on November 16, 2023, 05:56:00 PM

Quote from: Destraex on November 16, 2023, 05:00:06 PMRight now I would like to know how detailed supply lines are? One thing total war always completely missed was how context and supply affected generals decisions to advance or retreat. Can the area support a large army or must it march in two columns of march for instance.

Just some additional information from the published info on supply and supply lines.....also good video.

Three base supply items are needed for each unit: weapons, ammunition and food. Weapons and ammunition are provided by weapon factories. Weapons are received when a new unit is created and later these weapons can be replaced by better ones, according to availability. Ammunition consists of gunpowder, bullets and balls which are spent in battle and must be replenished for maintaining your army in a minimum fighting condition. It is also necessary to constantly supply your army with food, otherwise non-combat losses will grow and the morale of the soldiers will drop. The army can forage a territory for food but, in this case, the welfare of the region and the loyalty of population will deteriorate.

Moving food and ammunition requires supply wagons, supply ships, and well-developed infrastructure. If the region is cut off from the supply line, then the army in the region can consume only its own supplies and rely on what lies in the region's warehouse or is produced by the region. The enemy can intercept convoys and, in this case, part of the supply will be captured by the enemy. Therefore, It is absolutely necessary to secure your supply lines and avoid letting your army be cut off from supply centers.

Well it looks like it has pretty well everything I need. Weapons factories though? Did the revolutionaries capture armouries and hold them? If so that's crazy good.

This really could be a total war killer.

VTH gaming is doing a playthrough on Youtube, for those who may be thinking about the game:

After hopefully correcting my PC issues, been able to play this a little bit more.  Really see a good foundation for a really good game.  Started a campaign and the first battle that came up was Concord, where the Americans had to defend a storage area.  At first, the British came on strong, forcing my initial units on the battlefield to fallback and regroup.  While that was happening, British did seize the storage buildings but on came my reinforcements which brought the situation more parity.  My troops fought back and ended up basically routing the British army off the battlefield.  It was a lot of back and forth, which added to the tension, between firefights and charges, was a brutal day.

Although not a knock on the game as it pretends to be nothing else, I still find it hard to control all the units across the battlefield.  In the chaos of battle, units end up in different parts, which makes me forget about them when they aren't right in front of me.  I get so caught up in watching the very good graphics play out in a skirmish, I lose track of the bigger picture.  And for the life of me can't really keep things organized, I just throw whatever unit I can at the enemy without really looking at how they are organized and whether they are best suited for the task at hand.  I probably have to slow things down a bit and take advantage of the pause feature more.  I also find it a bit hard to move and lineup the units how I want, because the controls are a bit sensitive.

With all that said, I think by the time of the official release, I think it will be the game I had always hoped for on this subject and can't wait until more is made available and they continue to tweak and balance things, already has been two patches since release.

Quote from: Grim.Reaper on November 17, 2023, 08:47:00 AMAfter hopefully correcting my PC issues, been able to play this a little bit more.  Really see a good foundation for a really good game.  Started a campaign and the first battle that came up was Concord, where the Americans had to defend a storage area.  At first, the British came on strong, forcing my initial units on the battlefield to fallback and regroup.  While that was happening, British did seize the storage buildings but on came my reinforcements which brought the situation more parity.  My troops fought back and ended up basically routing the British army off the battlefield.  It was a lot of back and forth, which added to the tension, between firefights and charges, was a brutal day.

Although not a knock on the game as it pretends to be nothing else, I still find it hard to control all the units across the battlefield.  In the chaos of battle, units end up in different parts, which makes me forget about them when they aren't right in front of me.  I get so caught up in watching the very good graphics play out in a skirmish, I lose track of the bigger picture.  And for the life of me can't really keep things organized, I just throw whatever unit I can at the enemy without really looking at how they are organized and whether they are best suited for the task at hand.  I probably have to slow things down a bit and take advantage of the pause feature more.  I also find it a bit hard to move and lineup the units how I want, because the controls are a bit sensitive.

With all that said, I think by the time of the official release, I think it will be the game I had always hoped for on this subject and can't wait until more is made available and they continue to tweak and balance things, already has been two patches since release.

You can still pause the battle at any time, I hope.

^Yes, you can. Time can mercifully be slowed, as well.

So after watching several LP's on YouTube and listening to what grogheads have to say I'm at a crossroads.

Do I buy now or wait for the Steam release next year? 
Decisions...

I have enjoyed Game Labs releases. With that said I am waiting for the Steam release  :tophat:

^Me too Gus. 

But I feel my resistance weakening and I'm tempted to buy right now and not wait.  I know I should wait for the Steam release but man, this game looks so good I want to party like it's 1999!

I love a party. I will be the first on line when they release what I hope is their future title of Ultimate General: Crimean War, Ultimate General: Franco-Prussian War or Ultimate General: Spanish-American War. Any of those would be a reason to celebrate  :RockOn:  :Party:

Love the fact they are releasing a fair amount of patches that include fixes, balancing, and new features at a pretty decent pace.  Five have already been released since the game came out.

Patch v0.1.23 rev.48199 BB1:
Correction of the ability to start a tactical battle
Fixed freezing in the final window, and added statistics
Reduce difficulty on normal and easy levels. Britain will have fewer troops and send fewer of them.
Improvement in AI retreat on the global map
Cavalry melee combat has been rebalanced. Other units will be less dependent on their condition in melee battle.
Improved interface in the headquarters, because players could not understand that there is a research tree in each department
Added tutorial videos to the menu
Fixed arrows for ghost units in delayed reports
Various minor fixes and improvements.
Improved British sabotage events - rebellion and betrayer.


Patch v0.1.24 rev.48229 BB1:
Missing units at the start of a tactical battle have been fixed.
Lags in naval battles have been fixed.
Fixed reflection in water in naval battles.
Improvements in global map AI retreat behavior
The officers's project in HQ will offer more officers. Now you can get 1 strong, 2 medium, or 3 weak officers in the project.
Balanced cover effect in tactical battles. Forest will give better resistance against damage from firearms.
Minor fixes and new bugs


Patch v0.1.25 rev.48255 BB1:
Fixed repetitive quests
Fixed maps with forts where trees and buildings were inside of forts.
Added options - select fps limit. It can solve some graphics artifacts if Vsync doesn't help.
Increased intelligence report cost.
Changed scenario end conditions for all 3 scenarios.
Solved the issue when impossible to add a company into unique units.
Fixed different issues and added new ones.


Patch v0.1.26 rev.48269 BB1:
Added end battle statistics into tactical battles
Added international relation tension changing events
Fixed British Sabotage Events, their impact decreased
Added hints and advises on how to avoid British sabotage events
Fixed a situation where many random events were generated on one day

Patch v0.1.28 rev.48381 BB1
Difficulty balance for the existing campaign stages. Work in progress.
Prisoners of war mechanics and events. Initial version
AI will upgrade regions and construct buildings
Added sabotage decrement research into the Intellinge department
Different fixes in global map AI
Some memory leaks and memory consumption are fixed. It increases loading speed. Work in progress.
added logs for those who have issues starting the game in the launcher
many minor things and added new bugs

Although I love all the patches, it does come with risk:)  Developers indicated with the last patch the campaign feature got broken and only skirmish battles reliably working.  No ETA on fix resolution, but they are aware.

Patches continue to come out, latest includes alpha version of custom battles...can even play as the British within the custom battles.

Nice to see content/changes being made....haven't had time much to play but will have to jump back in.



Hello Generals

We would like to announce that Backer Build 2 is available.

Campaign content is extended until June 15, 1777. You can continue any save game before August 12, 1776. This will extend gameplay time up to 30 hours.

You will fight the largest landing of enemy troops in the United States in history. Admiral Hoewe plans to bring 30K troops to New York, including Hessian mercenaries.

We have added new mechanics and improved old ones. The patch received above 250 new historical and speculative events. European wars and conflicts with the Natives have appeared, which can significantly affect the balance of power in America.

Tactical combat has been heavily reworked thanks to the creator of the UGCW mod joining the team.

Naval strategic gameplay has also been reworked. Enemy troops now travel on transports that can be captured. Ships have suffered the effect of structural fatigue, when after multiple repairs the ship's performance decreases.

Patch Notes

Additional content and improvements
* Custom land and naval battles
* Prisoners of war and related events
* Minimap for the global map showing critical events
* Missions for player's officers
* Optimization of performance
* ...and many other things

^You are quick - just read that in my own email. I wonder how many builds they are planning.

When will they introduce Dragons and Zombies?  You can't have a Revolutionary War game without Zombies.

The slow moving kind, that is.  Not the kind that runs as fast as a human being.    :peace:

Quote from: Gusington on February 02, 2024, 12:11:12 PM^You are quick - just read that in my own email. I wonder how many builds they are planning.

There has been quite a few patches/update from the start. not really sure what they consider an actual build but even in the patches they have enhanced and made changes.