So - who's for clipping?
I like clipping and, in fact, wish to god I could get a hold of those proper clippers you can get. Apparently no-one in the UK likes clipping because they don't sell them anywhere.
I have to do my clipping with a modelling knife which takes some effort and time.
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1160.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq499%2Fwmar1967%2FMisc%2FSnap9_zpspq3x8m7q.jpg&hash=28346d4a339ab64715c527982ced8426c3f25592)
>:(
http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=17316.0
http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=16209.0
http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=14691.0
>:(
Don't do it! It is wrong and an affront to all that is right in the world.
>:(
Do you have spare clippers you want to get rid of? :2funny:
I have a 2.5mm clipper. My counters have never looked better!
http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=13.msg464625#msg464625
Well, I think they look smashing mirth! O0
This is the bad boy I want
http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=17316.msg461570#msg461570
That's the one I have, just the 2.5mm version.
http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=17316.msg456005#msg456005
The kerthunk sound it makes, as each corner is rounded to perfection, is indeed soothing.
Always clip. I cannot guess how many thousands of counters I clipped with an xacto knife. The clipper I later bought looks nothing like those in the first post.
That sound is actually another hole being punched through your soul.... :P
Quote from: Barthheart on August 31, 2016, 10:43:41 AM
That sound is actually another hole being punched through your soul.... :P
I long ago relinquished my soul. Now I have perfectly trimmed counters and laminated charts. And bliss.
Don't be a scuzz. Trim that fuzz!
I have the Deluxe 2.5mm corner trimmer. It has made my trimming more even & efficient.
^-^
I'm still looking for a program that will clip all of my Vassal module counter corners. >:D
Quote from: bbmike on August 31, 2016, 10:57:30 AM
I'm still looking for a program that will clip all of my Vassal module counter corners. >:D
:knuppel2:
Quote from: bbmike on August 31, 2016, 10:57:30 AM
I'm still looking for a program that will clip all of my Vassal module counter corners. >:D
:2funny:
Quote from: bbmike on August 31, 2016, 10:57:30 AM
I'm still looking for a program that will clip all of my Vassal module counter corners. >:D
OK, I LOLed
Quote from: Barthheart on August 31, 2016, 10:58:28 AM
Quote from: bbmike on August 31, 2016, 10:57:30 AM
I'm still looking for a program that will clip all of my Vassal module counter corners. >:D
:knuppel2:
So Barth...genuinely...why against the clipping? The way they are done is probably just an "ease of manufacturing" thing. No info is lost and they do look very tidy.
I've clipped corners off with my modelling knife and I have also clipped the "ragged edges" created when punching and the clipping is much easier. It's ALOT of work to cut those ragged edges.
Pay him no mind, JD. He's one of those hippy types who has to have everything "au naturel".
Quote from: JudgeDredd on August 31, 2016, 10:14:32 AM
This is the bad boy I want
http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=17316.msg461570#msg461570
Ordered it directly from Oregon Laminations website. Easy to order, fast delivery, what's there not to like. Mine is a 2mm version. I am still a conservative, mind O:-)
Spent yesterday evening clipping the remaining PanzerBlitz Hill Of Death counters, ran the new Carentan situation cards through lamination machine, ... :smitten:
I however do not own any tweezers yet. :))
This one (http://www.oregonlam.com/C-006-2MM_2mm_Corner_Cutter_Punch_Rounder.html), that is.
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oregonlam.com%2Fimages%2FC-006_Corner_Rounder_Cutter_3mm_large_Website.gif&hash=79e675bb217e8861a77243e55d6e36e850e63892)
Costs an arm and a leg, but is sturdy enough to last to the seventh son of the seventh son. :)
Quote from: Crossroads on August 31, 2016, 01:00:18 PM
I however do not own any tweezers yet. :))
Tweezers are must have tools of the trade!
Quote from: Crossroads on August 31, 2016, 01:04:08 PM
This one (http://www.oregonlam.com/C-006-2MM_2mm_Corner_Cutter_Punch_Rounder.html), that is.
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oregonlam.com%2Fimages%2FC-006_Corner_Rounder_Cutter_3mm_large_Website.gif&hash=79e675bb217e8861a77243e55d6e36e850e63892)
Costs an arm and a leg, but is sturdy enough to last to the seventh son of the seventh son. :)
Mine was $45 US. Seemed reasonable enough considering how much I spend on games.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on August 31, 2016, 12:09:21 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on August 31, 2016, 10:58:28 AM
Quote from: bbmike on August 31, 2016, 10:57:30 AM
I'm still looking for a program that will clip all of my Vassal module counter corners. >:D
:knuppel2:
So Barth...genuinely...why against the clipping? The way they are done is probably just an "ease of manufacturing" thing. No info is lost and they do look very tidy.
I've clipped corners off with my modelling knife and I have also clipped the "ragged edges" created when punching and the clipping is much easier. It's ALOT of work to cut those ragged edges.
I've always removed my counters from the sprues with a knife and ruler... no ragged corner tuffs... until recently when I switched to a rotary cutter and ruler.. same results and easier.
I just prefer the square look to the rounded corner, always have. Also I don't like "defacing" my games by making modifications - marked up rule books, correction stickers on cards (Cyrano!), etc.
Also I think it's a colossal waste of time to clip counters. :P
Nowadays lots of companies are die cutting their counters with rounded corners... I'm OK with that because the counters have been design with that in mind... one would hope any way. :idiot2:
Plus yer all gonna burn in Hell fer abusing harmless counters. :D
Quote from: mirth on August 31, 2016, 01:04:46 PM
Quote from: Crossroads on August 31, 2016, 01:00:18 PM
I however do not own any tweezers yet. :))
Tweezers are must have tools of the trade!
There is some hope fer you yet. :P
Quote from: mirth on August 31, 2016, 01:06:08 PM
Quote from: Crossroads on August 31, 2016, 01:04:08 PM
This one (http://www.oregonlam.com/C-006-2MM_2mm_Corner_Cutter_Punch_Rounder.html), that is.
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oregonlam.com%2Fimages%2FC-006_Corner_Rounder_Cutter_3mm_large_Website.gif&hash=79e675bb217e8861a77243e55d6e36e850e63892)
Costs an arm and a leg, but is sturdy enough to last to the seventh son of the seventh son. :)
Mine was $45 US. Seemed reasonable enough considering how much I spend on games.
Yup, same price for two mill version. Here's a close-up of the counters
Edit: a better pic yet with some 1/2" chits as well
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82769465/AARs/CAR2/IMG_2423.png)
Quote from: Crossroads on August 31, 2016, 01:09:04 PM
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82769465/AARs/CAR2/IMG_2412.png)
So beautiful...
Quote from: Crossroads on August 31, 2016, 01:12:49 PM
Quote from: mirth on August 31, 2016, 01:11:16 PM
So beautiful...
I am a convert O:-)
(https://www.mirantis.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/one-of-us-600x400.jpg)
They look great
Quote from: Barthheart on August 31, 2016, 01:06:30 PM
Quote from: JudgeDredd on August 31, 2016, 12:09:21 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on August 31, 2016, 10:58:28 AM
Quote from: bbmike on August 31, 2016, 10:57:30 AM
I'm still looking for a program that will clip all of my Vassal module counter corners. >:D
:knuppel2:
So Barth...genuinely...why against the clipping? The way they are done is probably just an "ease of manufacturing" thing. No info is lost and they do look very tidy.
I've clipped corners off with my modelling knife and I have also clipped the "ragged edges" created when punching and the clipping is much easier. It's ALOT of work to cut those ragged edges.
I've always removed my counters from the sprues with a knife and ruler... no ragged corner tuffs... until recently when I switched to a rotary cutter and ruler.. same results and easier.
I just prefer the square look to the rounded corner, always have. Also I don't like "defacing" my games by making modifications - marked up rule books, correction stickers on cards (Cyrano!), etc.
Also I think it's a colossal waste of time to clip counters. :P
Nowadays lots of companies are die cutting their counters with rounded corners... I'm OK with that because the counters have been design with that in mind... one would hope any way. :idiot2:
Plus yer all gonna burn in Hell fer abusing harmless counters. :D
Hippy!
Doing some the old fashioned way out on the deck this afternoon:
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(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/mn37Vz5LQNFoC3bsTgA_KGaxRl6vp3gmwjeDTsOFZPjf-Un6wOIbDAR17Nvqes81z25w0oQz2os_6jtNPDz6mFSBlEmZz2rJCRK1L2Kge6gPA9n7uGOVgWVNgAfxubga42LY14NVhn1p7ugK9nMijKf-yYwqUGsSmsplcUOLNtD8bXt_LYz_fX1oZCRLv6Yy-6hCXEuBmNZhs8qB6KEk0f_VJYRKp9bTNfEuOgn7su_kj-IYg_5ptU16JNHueBx9VMs03wan1mUugsoOohAmF_U70JpgbUDH9tuT-JqMU-N0fvlSSRnp8jpdWD3_mNQNcGM3__nXluWPFHyB-ihIFVV7zDn9wuFOLqIKpYj3PELBGYKwC3-S4PVyhJ5A5iWkyDoJFvqIwvJV6irXaCbrxrBank5nN7RIYQUfIBqWzaZd2ENhsRj_AyRfCtJLzBWlQyPoVTMAB_rNxfI3jwWO005hrfPLKoavyn4iWM1OVGQ6Fs66hQ7vxUkkU-Vrq3UcsnDZ67vixM4ATpQaq4APe33zzoUvJRksAVNaE2LS1u5kLXKk496GLXglEM8ElzDMTC2slcBLwucSHs9JZpegfivZ9m6m_nvd0bvAhwEpZq4kRii4=w591-h767-no)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ODnia3ZWGU-PtQtIL7TruPFxefPLiAYmdFteI6nXaME7NyPyPBChs2kpvsVJr1vuG5FiEeEkEtLZCiJsYItty-ZghgJUk-aX_lUXwx6BKwDWzphfcxVYWKaBLxLcsIBBO9VWEyNpwgYr2F2ixOpbULOfng9dhnsTfuxOCC8ynPrlYdj57ds10P2iJmlQrS70wj75dFLJq3Mc0sDTEuyzwbBuvCd9utnHL7jY4pkZ2H5NbHZ1KsBykilG262Q_d672wQsnxx2dY4O2Pgr03CQQQY0glpfkuIBX6wjPqOkrveij7KDKbPRtxASqdu7fEm1lDFaO30O8bNnDTmjJRjZMtDz3bwWwFj39WjfdtTAURRh55grZX9QgpEV4zsFtPc5K-HOTcCu6Jo4gAVGwR_kdVsGmBcNxMejFdSxZZB7sbW7nfG4Jibmi_Z9aNivoHPCLVsnrTFapXyi3iQvOTmZOK5FmEBv3obyHCHteMOOeL0pDvXl8A5RqR8pAU4dFHpMjM26XDLEs6KyJvwGEEL2IGdSxnBEPcCmU-YijbU110li5rFyh1azJ0IJbcHoDsTpE5Fgj-ip5mpzfVMrVoTwdrkudXLC7WYeJJBa1YCRBhauZMxj=w500-h767-no)
^Nice!
I escalated beyond corner clipping and tweezers this past weekend, and ordered wooden counter sleds.
Quote from: panzerde on August 31, 2016, 06:11:01 PM
I escalated beyond corner clipping and tweezers this past weekend, and ordered wooden counter sled
You sir, are a God!
So, just out of curiosity, if a US citizen were to ship a 50 pound box (as in 3 1/2 Stone, not £50) labeled 'Paper Goods' or 'Presents' from the States to some bloke in the UK, private citizen to private citizen, and the bloke in question were to redistribute the contents of said box (which looked very much like table top games and game counter appearance enhancement devices) to other souls who also resided in the UK, how much trouble could all involved get into if the UK Customs or UK Postal Police (is that a thing?) were to open said box and, upon discovering it's contents, feel like some additional revenue aught to have been paid to someone (maybe themselves)?
Quote from: mirth on August 31, 2016, 06:13:04 PM
Quote from: panzerde on August 31, 2016, 06:11:01 PM
I escalated beyond corner clipping and tweezers this past weekend, and ordered wooden counter sled
You sir, are a God!
I'd sing you praises too, but I don't know what a wooden counter sled is.
Is it like the thing you put your scrabble tiles in while you keep them in reserve?
NM, I googled it. They are the little stands you put individual counters in to keep them upright on the game board, aren't they?
https://www.nobleknight.com/ViewProducts.asp_Q_ProductLineID_E_2137433781_A_ManufacturerID_E_2145088292_A_CategoryID_E_4_A_GenreID_E_
This is a counter sled. Good for giving some fog of war... Mostly for Nappy games.... real craziness... :idiot2:
(https://www.nobleknight.com/resize.aspx?filename=58sled.jpg&width=0&height=0)
Huh. I would have never even thought of something like that.
Complete with proper square counters.
(https://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic23712.jpg)
Quote from: Barthheart on August 31, 2016, 07:17:22 PM
Complete with proper square counters.
(https://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic23712.jpg)
Get a job, hippie!
Just don't close the door to that room too hard or else you'll have a bunch of unsledded counters. ;)
Quote from: mirth on August 31, 2016, 07:29:51 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on August 31, 2016, 07:17:22 PM
Complete with proper square counters.
(https://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic23712.jpg)
Get a job, hippie!
I got a job makin black holes. What's yers? 8)
Quote from: Barthheart on August 31, 2016, 07:39:34 PM
Quote from: mirth on August 31, 2016, 07:29:51 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on August 31, 2016, 07:17:22 PM
Complete with proper square counters.
(https://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic23712.jpg)
Get a job, hippie!
I got a job makin black holes. What's yers? 8)
Rounding corners!
Uncouth heathen. :idiot2:
Jealous. :D
And I am indeed going to use them with Nappy games. And maybe GBOH, though it's really the OSG games that need them. Counter stacking and then all of the status markers - I spend twice as long fixing knocked over stacks as I do playing, even with tweezers.
Plus, you know, how can you resist having a little vehicle for your counters to ride around in?
I do not like them Sam I Am.
They disrupt my aesthetic.
This, of course, is while playing NLB. My attitude may change as I return to the later generation OSG games.
Quote from: Staggerwing on August 31, 2016, 07:01:55 PM
So, just out of curiosity, if a US citizen were to ship a 50 pound box (as in 3 1/2 Stone, not £50) labeled 'Paper Goods' or 'Presents' from the States to some bloke in the UK, private citizen to private citizen, and the bloke in question were to redistribute the contents of said box (which looked very much like table top games and game counter appearance enhancement devices) to other souls who also resided in the UK, how much trouble could all involved get into if the UK Customs or UK Postal Police (is that a thing?) were to open said box and, upon discovering it's contents, feel like some additional revenue aught to have been paid to someone (maybe themselves)?
At least here in Finland it is pretty much an automatic process. Goods purchased outside of EU coming over mail with value over EUR 20 (USD 22 or therabouts) get stopped in Customs, receiver gets a letter where he can opt to pay the customs via an easy Web page, after which parcel is shipped forward. This is true when shopping from stores, as they print the value in parcel.
For gifts, the customs threshold at least here is EUR 45 (USD 50). I've bought several bigger 2nd hand boardgames from BGG with that value, but none of these have ever stuck in the customs as they are sent by a private person.
So in that hypothetical situation I'd mark the parcel as Gift, name it a boardgame, and if necessary put a low monetary value to it. I see no risk especially if you'd mail these individually to different persons.
WHat's with the tweezers? I don't get that reference.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 01, 2016, 12:42:29 AM
WHat's with the tweezers? I don't get that reference.
Tweezers. With soft coated tips, preferrably. They're The Next Level :))
I'm not there yet, mind. :-[ :))
Yeah - I know what they are... :2funny:...I was wondering what they were used for...picking up counters?
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 01, 2016, 02:54:26 AM
Yeah - I know what they are... :2funny:...I was wondering what they were used for...picking up counters?
They would mostly be used to show you've arrived at The Next Level? :)
Quote from: Crossroads on September 01, 2016, 12:20:21 AMSo in that hypothetical situation I'd mark the parcel as Gift, name it a boardgame, and if necessary put a low monetary value to it. I see no risk especially if you'd mail these individually to different persons.
This
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 01, 2016, 02:54:26 AM
Yeah - I know what they are... :2funny:...I was wondering what they were used for...picking up counters?
Yes for picking up counters, especially on very crowded maps with tall stacks. Helps the less dextourious of us to keep from plowing over piles of counters trying to make a move.
Quote from: Cyrano on August 31, 2016, 10:09:46 PM
I do not like them Sam I Am.
They disrupt my aesthetic.
This, of course, is while playing NLB. My attitude may change as I return to the later generation OSG games.
I agree - I don't care for the look. OTOH, I'm tired of spending ten minutes putting on markers and dumping over stacks every turn, and for the price it was worth a shot. I may well find that I can't really stand them!
Quote from: Barthheart on September 01, 2016, 05:26:09 AM
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 01, 2016, 02:54:26 AM
Yeah - I know what they are... :2funny:...I was wondering what they were used for...picking up counters?
Yes for picking up counters, especially on very crowded maps with tall stacks. Helps the less dextourious of us to keep from plowing over piles of counters trying to make a move.
It sounds like the kind of tweezers used to remove contact lenses from glass vials would be ideal. They usually end in a short length of silicone tubing or soft pad adhered to the arms. I'll have to look around the office for one. They're not used much anymore since most contacts are now shipped in blister packs.
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fec24ba.aiso.net%2Fxz%2Fp%2Fproducts%2F133%2F1088%2F87459%2F1500px.jpg&hash=ab0729900b426c00580b7cb547d77f560aca7e63)
^^ Told you! O0
Quote from: Crossroads on September 01, 2016, 02:13:10 AM
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 01, 2016, 12:42:29 AM
WHat's with the tweezers? I don't get that reference.
Tweezers. With soft coated tips, preferrably. They're The Next Level :))
The tweezers I bought (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00WC0BBE0/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1). I haven't used them in a game yet but the lab test runs were highly successful.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 01, 2016, 02:54:26 AM
Yeah - I know what they are... :2funny:...I was wondering what they were used for...picking up counters?
Their hands filled with the palsy shakes. :P
From what I've seen, they still continue to make a mess when attempting to pick up counters with their fancy tweezers. I'm not sure it helps them at all. ;D
Quote from: Staggerwing on August 31, 2016, 07:01:55 PM
So, just out of curiosity, if a US citizen were to ship a 50 pound box (as in 3 1/2 Stone, not £50) labeled 'Paper Goods' or 'Presents' from the States to some bloke in the UK, private citizen to private citizen, and the bloke in question were to redistribute the contents of said box (which looked very much like table top games and game counter appearance enhancement devices) to other souls who also resided in the UK, how much trouble could all involved get into if the UK Customs or UK Postal Police (is that a thing?) were to open said box and, upon discovering it's contents, feel like some additional revenue aught to have been paid to someone (maybe themselves)?
;-)))
As much as you guys pay for VAT, you'd think people were shipping bricks of cocaine. ::)
Quote from: Nefaro on September 01, 2016, 01:49:48 PM
As much as you guys pay for VAT, you'd think people were shipping bricks of cocaine. ::)
They probably would not mind, as long as we'd pay the customs for itn :buck2:
Quote from: Barthheart on August 31, 2016, 10:58:28 AM
Quote from: bbmike on August 31, 2016, 10:57:30 AM
I'm still looking for a program that will clip all of my Vassal module counter corners. >:D
:knuppel2:
Inside joke? Because I have written scripts to do this.
Oh really?
Vance will be SO pleased.............
Yes, its a bit of an inside joke, or rather, more accurate to say its a running gag....you mention clipping counters to Vance and then you run for it :-)
Quote from: egg_salad on September 01, 2016, 04:07:21 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on August 31, 2016, 10:58:28 AM
Quote from: bbmike on August 31, 2016, 10:57:30 AM
I'm still looking for a program that will clip all of my Vassal module counter corners. >:D
:knuppel2:
Inside joke? Because I have written scripts to do this.
Sir, I doff my tricorne hat to you. Anyone that counter clips Vassal counters has truly ascended. :2funny:
http://thegamebox.gamesontables.com/index.php?topic=914.0
Quote from: egg_salad on September 01, 2016, 04:33:12 PM
http://thegamebox.gamesontables.com/index.php?topic=914.0 (http://thegamebox.gamesontables.com/index.php?topic=914.0)
Gimp ScriptFu to bevel Vassal counters. That is a thing of beauty.
... I didn't know you had a tricorne hat. You never mentioned it before.
Quote from: bob48 on September 01, 2016, 04:40:57 PM
... I didn't know you had a tricorne hat. You never mentioned it before.
I keep it hidden under the ushanka.
Well, I should hope so too.
...(does a quick google search for ushanka)...........
Ah!
Quote from: egg_salad on September 01, 2016, 04:33:12 PM
http://thegamebox.gamesontables.com/index.php?topic=914.0
What the..... (https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgrogheads.com%2Fforums%2FSmileys%2F%2FBrantz%2520Smilies%2Fshocked.gif&hash=6015fb3159470e479c1a240b5bb1ab32c15f18d8)
Who the hell let you in here! >:(
(Secretly marks thread to maybe include in new LnLP VASSAL modules to match their print games)
Nevermind him! Once I stop staring at the Bat Signal over there I may give this a try.
Quote from: bbmike on September 01, 2016, 07:45:20 PM
Nevermind him! Once I stop staring at the Bat Signal over there I may give this a try.
I noticed that too.
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1632893/when-becomes-counter-clipping-counter-mutilation
(https://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic3164893_md.jpg)
My cat could shred a nicer looking counter than that.
Quote from: GJK on September 04, 2016, 06:47:57 PM
My cat could shred a nicer looking counter than that.
and probably has!
Nice stop signs! :D
This does not validate Vance's position.
Quote from: Cyrano on September 04, 2016, 07:08:56 PM
This does not validate Vance's position.
Not in the least. That could never happen with my fancy counter trimmer!
Quote from: bayonetbrant on September 04, 2016, 06:43:45 PM
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1632893/when-becomes-counter-clipping-counter-mutilation
(https://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic3164893_md.jpg)
This physically hurts my eyes.
^ I don't think anyone could disagree that the particular person that carried out that monstrosity was not practice the ancient art of clipping.
Actually that might have been performed by Barthheart - hence his pure hatred of anything clipped? :2funny:
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 05, 2016, 01:01:31 AM
^ I don't think anyone could disagree that the particular person that carried out that monstrosity was not practice the ancient art of clipping.
Actually that might have been performed by Barthheart - hence his pure hatred of anything clipped? :2funny:
Or, someone did that to one of his classics! I could totally understand where he comes from then :knuppel2:
Quote from: Cyrano on September 04, 2016, 07:08:56 PM
This does not validate Vance's position.
Does too, does too. (https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgrogheads.com%2Fforums%2FSmileys%2F%2FBrantz%2520Smilies%2Fbuck2.gif&hash=4a675364929601a4d190d329700cdc31a61bc209)
Quote from: bayonetbrant on September 04, 2016, 06:43:45 PM
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1632893/when-becomes-counter-clipping-counter-mutilation (https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1632893/when-becomes-counter-clipping-counter-mutilation)
(https://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic3164893_md.jpg)
Wow! I'm not sure which is worse, the clipping or the seemingly fluorescent orange counters.
Counter mutilation aside, it is not a great looking game.
(https://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic421039_lg.jpg)
Quote from: mirth on September 05, 2016, 08:05:33 AM
Counter mutilation aside, it is not a great looking game.
Hush! It is not allowed to criticise Simonsen maps! :-X
Quote from: Crossroads on September 05, 2016, 12:31:43 PM
Quote from: mirth on September 05, 2016, 08:05:33 AM
Counter mutilation aside, it is not a great looking game.
Hush! It is not allowed to criticise Simonsen maps! :-X
The maps not bad IMO, but you gotta admit that the 70's were not the apex of counter graphics.
Of course, hacking them into octagons with a machete in no way improves the situation.
The map is alright, but those drab old counters do not bring any nostalgic sentiments about the 'good 'ol days'. We're fortunate to have so many outstanding board games being produced today.
Quote from: panzerde on September 05, 2016, 12:40:54 PM
Quote from: Crossroads on September 05, 2016, 12:31:43 PM
Quote from: mirth on September 05, 2016, 08:05:33 AM
Counter mutilation aside, it is not a great looking game.
Hush! It is not allowed to criticise Simonsen maps! :-X
The maps not bad IMO, but you gotta admit that the 70's were not the apex of counter graphics.
Of course, hacking them into octagons with a machete in no way improves the situation.
70's were not the apex of map graphics either to be honest. Just don't say so out loud :))
I like the map too...but those counters are awful.
I'm a C4 corner cutter myself. Why clip just one counter when you can clip 10 at once? OK, not as pleasing as a nice rounded corner, but still a good compromise to get a lot done quickly.
What's a "C4 corner cutter"?
Fuck no. I threw that C4 POS down the street once I made a jig for a nail clipper. That worked ok until the OL clipper was discovered.
Pros:
You can clip 5-10 counters at once (well, you can attempt to).
Cons:
The top of the stack that you cut come out looking like stop signs while the ones at the bottom hardly look like they were nicked, thus, if you're even slightly OCD it will drive you bat-shit crazy that every counter is of different sizes on the corners (especially noticeable when stacked).
You have to jam the counters into the corner of the C4 jig in order to *try* to get as even a cut as possible but as early as the half dozen stack that you've tried to hold in place, your hand begins to cramp from the pressure that you're applying. You get this cute little wooden rail to try and keep the stack squared and even in the corner of the jig but try squeezing as hard as you can your index finger and thumb together repeatedly a few times and you'll see what I mean about hand cramping.
And I bet you that I could clip 7-10 counters with the OL rounder about as fast as someone can with the C4 and mine will look a whole hell of a lot better. That kills the Pro of the C4 right there.
Sorry AT - if it works for you, that's great but I have a moral obligation to warn people to NOT use that thing. I'm actually replacing several core modules of ASL now because I clipped them with the C4 and now that I have the OL clipper I can't stand the difference.
I am pretty sure there isn't anyone without OCD here ;D
Quote from: GJK on September 16, 2016, 06:12:53 AM
Fuck no. I threw that C4 POS down the street once I made a jig for a nail clipper. That worked ok until the OL clipper was discovered.
Pros:
You can clip 5-10 counters at once (well, you can attempt to).
Cons:
The top of the stack that you cut come out looking like stop signs while the ones at the bottom hardly look like they were nicked, thus, if you're even slightly OCD it will drive you bat-shit crazy that every counter is of different sizes on the corners (especially noticeable when stacked).
You have to jam the counters into the corner of the C4 jig in order to *try* to get as even a cut as possible but as early as the half dozen stack that you've tried to hold in place, your hand begins to cramp from the pressure that you're applying. You get this cute little wooden rail to try and keep the stack squared and even in the corner of the jig but try squeezing as hard as you can your index finger and thumb together repeatedly a few times and you'll see what I mean about hand cramping.
And I bet you that I could clip 7-10 counters with the OL rounder about as fast as someone can with the C4 and mine will look a whole hell of a lot better. That kills the Pro of the C4 right there.
Sorry AT - if it works for you, that's great but I have a moral obligation to warn people to NOT use that thing. I'm actually replacing several core modules of ASL now because I clipped them with the C4 and now that I have the OL clipper I can't stand the difference.
It works fine for me... :) I recommend it.
I've decided to escalate to more serious counter clipping tools.
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.imimg.com%2Fdata3%2FGL%2FWC%2FMY-2185553%2Flarge-angle-grinders-250x250.jpg&hash=aeb3049e568b8f8353539553daf530f7ce4b23a1)
Quote from: panzerde on September 16, 2016, 10:48:41 AM
I've decided to escalate to more serious counter clipping tools.
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I am replacing my lamination machine with this:
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I am however keeping this. For the seventh son of my seventh son! O0
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That's the White Star Rising counters getting some TLC :smitten:
^lovely. just lovely.
Quote from: mirth on September 16, 2016, 11:44:27 AM
^lovely. just lovely.
It's what I'd call serious Friday night fun! (It is an evening here already :D )
Quote from: Crossroads on September 16, 2016, 11:41:29 AM
I am however keeping this. For the seventh son of my seventh son! O0
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That's the White Star Rising counters getting some TLC :smitten:
How much is that clipper tool in the US?
USD 44.95 directly from Oregon Lam (http://www.oregonlam.com/C-006-2MM_2mm_Corner_Cutter_Punch_Rounder.html)
Cost me an arm and a leg as I had to pay the parcel and customs as well, but it is robust enough to last to my grandchildren!
Quote from: Crossroads on September 16, 2016, 09:49:28 AM
I am pretty sure there isn't anyone without OCD here ;D
So very true.
Quote from: Nefaro on September 16, 2016, 04:59:09 PM
Quote from: Crossroads on September 16, 2016, 09:49:28 AM
I am pretty sure there isn't anyone without OCD here ;D
So very true.
I'm not OCD, but I dig that you blokes are it gives me aspirations to fix my broken counters.
Clip - you'll be glad that you did....
..twitch, twitch....
Quote from: Bison on September 16, 2016, 05:03:56 PM
Quote from: Nefaro on September 16, 2016, 04:59:09 PM
Quote from: Crossroads on September 16, 2016, 09:49:28 AM
I am pretty sure there isn't anyone without OCD here ;D
So very true.
I'm not OCD, but I dig that you blokes are it gives me aspirations to fix my broken counters.
We all know you're a compulsive sleever.
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on September 18, 2016, 11:55:59 AM
Quote from: Bison on September 16, 2016, 05:03:56 PM
Quote from: Nefaro on September 16, 2016, 04:59:09 PM
Quote from: Crossroads on September 16, 2016, 09:49:28 AM
I am pretty sure there isn't anyone without OCD here ;D
So very true.
I'm not OCD, but I dig that you blokes are it gives me aspirations to fix my broken counters.
We all know you're a compulsive sleever.
This is very true. I do love card sleeves and people who abuse their cards by shuffling without them are heathens.
I clip everything but my ASL stuff. Looking at all those boxes and knowing my OCD will require that every counter be clipped before any of it hits the table, even counters I'm not planning to use. :'(
Quote from: Crossroads on September 16, 2016, 12:25:55 PM
USD 44.95 directly from Oregon Lam (http://www.oregonlam.com/C-006-2MM_2mm_Corner_Cutter_Punch_Rounder.html)
Cost me an arm and a leg as I had to pay the parcel and customs as well, but it is robust enough to last to my grandchildren!
Ouch
I want one, but not that much. I don't think I buy enough board games to warrant that cost.
Although I do love board games, I'm not sure I want to buy more anyway. I mean, I do, but my memory is pretty poor nowadays so where some "interpretation" of rules used to be difficult, just remembering them now is hard.
I have Band of Brothers Ghost Panzers that I want to get into, see if it's any good and I have LnL Band of Heroes games (including The Falklands one) and Combat Command which I kind of like - so I think I might stick with those 3 systems.
How do you guys have so many board games? How can you go back and play after learning different rules for different games? :idiot2:
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 19, 2016, 02:04:38 AM
How do you guys have so many board games? How can you go back and play after learning different rules for different games? :idiot2:
The majority of mine are easier to learn and, therefore, even easier to re-learn.
Very few wargames with 60+ page manuals in my collection these days. Too much time investment.
lol - none of mine are over 30 pages I don't think...but I still have issues taking everything in.
I don't think I could play those monster games at all!
I think the best rules for a game I ever came across was Battle of Britain. Very clean, clear and I was up and playing very soon after a first scan. (I should go back to that one - it was a good one!)
Anyway - off topic - sorry (though it was my topic >:D )
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 19, 2016, 02:04:38 AM
Quote from: Crossroads on September 16, 2016, 12:25:55 PM
USD 44.95 directly from Oregon Lam (http://www.oregonlam.com/C-006-2MM_2mm_Corner_Cutter_Punch_Rounder.html)
Cost me an arm and a leg as I had to pay the parcel and customs as well, but it is robust enough to last to my grandchildren!
Ouch
I want one, but not that much. I don't think I buy enough board games to warrant that cost.
Although I do love board games, I'm not sure I want to buy more anyway. I mean, I do, but my memory is pretty poor nowadays so where some "interpretation" of rules used to be difficult, just remembering them now is hard.
I have Band of Brothers Ghost Panzers that I want to get into, see if it's any good and I have LnL Band of Heroes games (including The Falklands one) and Combat Command which I kind of like - so I think I might stick with those 3 systems.
How do you guys have so many board games? How can you go back and play after learning different rules for different games? :idiot2:
I tend to stick to the Platoon scale with games I have, so it helps in a way. And then there's the couple MMP OCS series games, that actually are quite complex, but that is the one system I want to learn outside the more medium complex sets.
As for the Oregon Lam cutter, yes, quite an expensive thing. It will last forever once you have it though. That is at least how I explained its cost to myself :D
I have the "standard" (non-deluxe) OL clippers in both 2mm and 3mm and they've been great for years now. They're all metal, unlike the deluxe version with the plastic handle that keeps breaking on people and even more importantly is they're 1/2 of the price of the deluxe model.
The deluxe doesn't have the occasional miscut that you'll get with the standard but if you practice a bit with it, you'll get the feeling for when it's about to miscut and you back off and reseat. And I'll take one miscut (that you can barely notice) over a set of counters that all have uneven cuts from nail clipper any day.
I use the "2mm Radius Corner Rounder Punch Cutter Heavy Duty" for 1/2" counters and the "3mm Radius Corner Rounder Punch Cutter Heavy Duty" for 5/8" and above. I *believe* that they have a 2.5mm in the standard model so you might just grab one of those.
They're $21 on Amazon.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 19, 2016, 02:04:38 AM
How do you guys have so many board games? How can you go back and play after learning different rules for different games? :idiot2:
It's not easy. I mix up rule sets all the time. Which game allows you to move through a ZOC? For how much movement cost? Which gives a road bonus? Do you have to start and end on the road or do you prorate the movement? :D
I find I have to re-read the rules and set up the board and run a few turns each time I break out a game to play that I haven't touched in a few months.
Still haven't quite figured out all of the nuances of Empire of the Sun or Plan Orange yet despite many attempts.
Barth, when are we doing Orange PBEM?
house rules ftw
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on September 19, 2016, 11:55:16 AM
.....
Barth, when are we doing Orange PBEM?
Not sure. Cold weather is coming I'll be heading indoors soon. I still have no idea how to play even after reading the rules a bunch of times. If yer ok with learn me the game we can give it a bash.
We have to use the unclipped counters in VASSAL though.... :knuppel2:
Oh, and I'm at UBC this week. ;)
We should grab a pint! How long are you in town for?
Got here today and leave Friday morning. Working/meetings all day Tues, Wed, Thurs. Usually off about 5 pm.
Bugger. I'm stuck on shift until Friday.
DOH!
Quote from: Bison on September 18, 2016, 04:10:35 PM
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on September 18, 2016, 11:55:59 AM
Quote from: Bison on September 16, 2016, 05:03:56 PM
Quote from: Nefaro on September 16, 2016, 04:59:09 PM
Quote from: Crossroads on September 16, 2016, 09:49:28 AM
I am pretty sure there isn't anyone without OCD here ;D
So very true.
I'm not OCD, but I dig that you blokes are it gives me aspirations to fix my broken counters.
We all know you're a compulsive sleever.
This is very true. I do love card sleeves and people who abuse their cards by shuffling without them are heathens.
That would be me O0
I couldn't imagine anything worse than cards in "sleeves" :o
Quote from: JudgeDredd on September 20, 2016, 12:21:25 AM
I couldn't imagine anything worse than cards in "sleeves" :o
It's just putting the appropriate 'Jimmy Hat' on your floppy bits. :))
I prefer not to do it, except for two cases.
1) Due to the manufacturing quality being a bit poor (cut unevenly, chipping or fraying at the side, etc)
2) If I expect to be playing them, regularly, with other people who are less careful about keeping them in good shape than I. Excessive bending, those who don't wash their hands - powdered cheese monsters, and those prone to spilling shit on them, for example. Less worry about them being damage & marked, and less need for slop intervention.
Sleeves really become a requirement for certain games IMO. For example, I sleeve my MtG and Dominion cards not because any one card is necessarily overly valuable. Rather both games require cards to be shuffled hundreds of times. This inevitably leads to markings on the cards that allow for them to be identified in the stack. The use of sleeves helps to reduce this. Additionally some MtG cards are double-sided so they cannot just be shuffled into the deck.. And frankly I'd rather spend a few extra $ so I don't have to repurchase the entire game or search for a particular card replacement.
However, all that being said. The wife and I each have a pre-constructed intro deck for MtG, which we haven't sleeved. And we've played exclusively with those decks for our last few MtG games. However, I can see me eventually convulsing on the floor with twitching because of the card abuse.
I sleeved the Action Deck cards of my original copy of Up Front and played with those dozens of times. Shuffling was no problems as the sleeves make it easy to "weave" shuffle them. However I've since picked up an Action Deck from WGV and I leave them unsleaved and also use a hand crank card shuffler for them (it's so much fun!). Can't use the shuffler with sleeves on the cards.
And yes Brant, my 3rd copy of Up Front sits completely unused and shall be sealed in my coffin with me when the time comes. ;)
Quote from: GJK on September 21, 2016, 08:22:47 PMAnd yes Brant, my 3rd copy of Up Front sits completely unused and shall be sealed in my coffin with me when the time comes. ;)
le sigh...
This should make all you heathens' heads explode! Behold the sharp square corners... and the Side Nib!
(https://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic3177620_lg.jpg)
Bet yer devil machines would choke trying to clip those thick counters. O0
Look like a cool game though...
https://hollandspiele.com/products/agricola-master-of-britain
Unclean! Unclean!
QuoteBet yer devil machines would choke trying to clip those thick counters.
Use a router.
What is the deal with the peach fuzz on the sides? Is that a DTP production?
Gawd, look at those sides...an abomination!
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1427/9976/products/IMG_20160914_182140_1024x1024.jpg?v=1474893093)
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Quote from: mirth on September 29, 2016, 08:51:20 PM
Gawd, look at those sides...an abomination!
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1427/9976/products/IMG_20160914_182140_1024x1024.jpg?v=1474893093)
lol - they're a f***ing mess :'(
They remind me of my copy of combat commander.
The corners are fine.. it's the sides that need to trim their bush.
Although I'd rather it be there than on the corners. Those thick laser cut counters are kinda nice, once you get past cleaning the soot off them.
Barth and I are starting a Plan Orange PBEM VASSAL game. I note that the VASSAL version has the option to clip the virtual counters. I thought about applying it during the initial scenario set up but in the end I didn't have the heart.
Slip 'em in as reinforcements to put him off his game.
I was wondering, if you selected the clipped counters would I be able to play with the real counters... would be able to tell the screen shots apart then... :D
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on September 30, 2016, 05:18:03 PM
Barth and I are starting a Plan Orange PBEM VASSAL game. I note that the VASSAL version has the option to clip the virtual counters. I thought about applying it during the initial scenario set up but in the end I didn't have the heart.
now, this is neat - virtual clipped counters, ehrm... ^-^
Do I have to buy a virtual clipper?
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Quote from: bayonetbrant on October 13, 2016, 06:54:26 PM
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hahahahaha!
:2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
It is true. Partially at least. For Oregon Laminations Rounder divides into three subgroups: 2mm (Daniel Craig), 2.5mm (Leo), and 3mm (Brad Pitt). :D
Putin Strikes locked and loaded for some serious game play! :smitten:
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82769465/Grogs/IMG_3619.JPG)
I weep for your soul... :P
Look at all those corner bits, Barthheart! Look at them!!!
Quote from: Barthheart on October 14, 2016, 11:25:35 AM
I weep for your soul... :P
My soul is in a Happy Place O:-)
Friday! Par-tee! Or, brew a cuppa, get them Oregon Lam clippers out, put some TLC into your games.
This, my friends, is Eisenbach Gap, Death of First Panzer, and Blood and Bridges counters locked and loaded! No more washing my hands after a game session O0
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82769465/Grogs/IMG_3626.JPG)
The war against square counters continues...
Quote from: mirth on October 21, 2016, 11:55:36 AM
The war against square counters continues...
I am not at war against square counters as such, but at war against untidy chits. :knuppel2:
As long as they need to be punched, leaving those corners an unholy mess, I will clip them O0
a love song for Barth
[yt]https://youtu.be/LB5YkmjalDg[/yt]
Quote from: Crossroads on October 21, 2016, 12:10:32 PM
Quote from: mirth on October 21, 2016, 11:55:36 AM
The war against square counters continues...
I am not at war against square counters as such, but at war against untidy chits. :knuppel2:
As long as they need to be punched, leaving those corners an unholy mess, I will clip them O0
+1, clipped counters just stack better.... a fact that can't really be disputed.
Quote from: ArizonaTank on October 21, 2016, 03:07:56 PM
Quote from: Crossroads on October 21, 2016, 12:10:32 PM
Quote from: mirth on October 21, 2016, 11:55:36 AM
The war against square counters continues...
I am not at war against square counters as such, but at war against untidy chits. :knuppel2:
As long as they need to be punched, leaving those corners an unholy mess, I will clip them O0
+1, clipped counters just stack better.... a fact that can't really be disputed.
Another thing that can't be disputed is that rounded corners don't catch on each other the way unclipped ones do. All those hanging chads are messy.
My Russian troops have all been nicely clipped and stored in a RAACO box. Germans infantry is done as well, now working on the vehicles and guns. (ASL)
It's a life's work, but the end result is very nice.
I am using the big clipper shown on various pictures earlier in the thread. Of the three sizes I think I have the middle one. O0
Ok - whilst I don't like this clipping
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1160.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq499%2Fwmar1967%2FSnap2_zpsvanq3lxw.jpg&hash=33d0dca291a8660bc8dd34152bd3d2ea093b1ce7) (http://s1160.photobucket.com/user/wmar1967/media/Snap2_zpsvanq3lxw.jpg.html)
I think these are a f*****g mess :2funny:
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Yuk - I can't abide raggy corners <shudder>
Wish I could afford one of then them posh corner trimmers!
Quote from: bob48 on December 04, 2016, 03:28:54 PM
Yuk - I can't abide raggy corners <shudder>
Wish I could afford one of then them posh corner trimmers!
I know...they look the bizzo
Quote from: JudgeDredd on December 04, 2016, 03:38:42 PM
Quote from: bob48 on December 04, 2016, 03:28:54 PM
Yuk - I can't abide raggy corners <shudder>
Wish I could afford one of then them posh corner trimmers!
I know...they look the bizzo
Get the "standard" (original) version for half the price as the "deluxe". I've been using mine for years now. They're constructed of all metal, unlike the deluxe which is molded plastic and has a weak spot that has been known to break after repeated use. The only drawback for the standards is you have to pay a little more attention when positioning the counter in the thing- if it's off by a bit, you'll get side nicks. It won't ruin the counter but it won't have as nicely a rounded corner. Once you've used it for a while though, you'll know the feeling of when it's seated properly and you can clip away at a good rate.
These are the ones that I have (in 2mm for 1/2" counters and 3mm for larger counters). They're $21.95 USD from Amazon (compared to $50.99 for the deluxe) and there's probably a distributor in the UK that has them.
https://www.amazon.com/Radius-Corner-Rounder-Punch-Cutter/dp/B008CG7D1S
Can't get 'em in the UK, Gary - would need to buy from the US.
I junked my "standard" and got a deluxe. Half the time I couldn't get it to not wreck the counter. It was particularly bad during long sessions with lots of counters; the longer I'd use it at one sitting the worse it would get. When it started chewing up my Fontenoy counters I pitched it and ordered the deluxe. Haven't had a bad corner from it yet.
So, I guess YMMV. It may be that I'm less patient with fiddling the counter around to get a good cut than Gary is.
...or too much single malt being used as a lubricator......
Quote from: bob48 on December 04, 2016, 03:57:35 PM
Can't get 'em in the UK, Gary - would need to buy from the US.
Have you seen their ebay store Bob?
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Oregon-Laminations-Store
How can anyone afford to not own a proper counter trimmer?
Glad I have a proper clipper! I'm also using markers to color the sides of the counters too! Just have to be sure that your hands are very dry when you pick up the pieces or you'll get marker ink all over them. What ya'll think?
Been doin' some 3D work on my maps too. Cool eh?
Alright, who let Claire get his hands on an X-acto and markers again? :uglystupid2:
ffs - half those counters are actually missing!! :DD
Quote from: GJK on December 04, 2016, 06:49:57 PM
Quote from: bob48 on December 04, 2016, 03:57:35 PM
Can't get 'em in the UK, Gary - would need to buy from the US.
Have you seen their ebay store Bob?
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Oregon-Laminations-Store
Nope, I had not seen that - thanks Gary, one of those may get added to my Christmas list.
#:-) L:-)
:hug:
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How can anyone pretend the untrimmed counter looks better? :uglystupid2:
Quote from: mirth on December 26, 2016, 03:54:22 AM
How can anyone pretend the untrimmed counter looks better? :uglystupid2:
Ya got me. I find it incomprehensible.
AAAAAAGH. The mutilation is, indeed, worse than the corner fuzz.
Just get the flipping Oregon and MOVE ON.
The only credible debate is +/- the .5 on the trim. That is all.
And stickering your cards.
And miscegenation of your game components.
(I really should post pictures of my Memoir '44 collection. Panzerde would be so pleased.)
I agree about the Oregon Laminations trimmer, but that isn't a terrible trim job. Far better than the tufted counter that won't stack for a damn.
And is there really a debate about the +/- on the trim? 2.5mm is the way to go.
I don't know what the stickering is about, but it sounds wrong. As is miscegenation of game components.
Laminating charts has become mandatory for me.
Not Brant's, GJK's ancients...particularly the status markers. They're hurt-y.
Stickering: Origins 16. Out to lunch (literally). We're discussing counter clipping (yeah, I know) and I off-handedly mention to Doug that when one plays Memoir '44 D-Day Landings one must have a Breakthrough deck for each of the six maps. Now, one can buy a lot of Winter War expansions (not cheap) or one can use two regular Memoir decks. The trick is that there are certain cards that have an extra ability in Breakthrough. To remind one of this, there's a set of stickers one can download from Boardgamegeek and apply to one's cards. Doug shot me a look that was one of the grandest admixtures of pity, revulsion, and disgust I have ever seen. I laugh still to think of it. I also mentioned that playing D-Day Landings requires at least four sets of Memoir '44. As a storage convenience, I have one Memoir box that is all terrain, one that is all figures, one that is all maps, and one that is all the other stuff. This is miscegenation and is also not approved.
Fast forward to the next day and my wife and I are wandering the con and there's a fellow looking to play "Triumph and Glory". As I had just bought it I stopped by to chat. He was particularly proud of the fact that he had carefully downloaded and stickered ALL his cards to make them, in some way, easier to use. He did not understand why my wife and I politely stifled laughter.
Quote from: Cyrano on December 26, 2016, 12:27:06 PM
Not Brant's, GJK's ancients...particularly the status markers. They're hurt-y.
Those are an affront to decency. I had already blotted the image from my mind.
As to the rest of it, do whatever you like to your Memoir stuff. It's not a real wargame :P
Quote from: mirth on December 26, 2016, 12:02:37 PM
I agree about the Oregon Laminations trimmer, but that isn't a terrible trim job. Far better than the tufted counter that won't stack for a damn.
And is there really a debate about the +/- on the trim? 2.5mm is the way to go.
I don't know what the stickering is about, but it sounds wrong. As is miscegenation of game components.
Laminating charts has become mandatory for me.
Mine is a 2.0mm cutter, works a treat for me. There's a few pictures somewhere here about how the corners turned out
EDIT: Here they are :smitten:
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82769465/AARs/CAR2/IMG_2423.png)
+1 for chart lamination O:-)
I'd be fine with a 2mm trimmer as well. I split the difference when I ordered the 2.5. I could never go back to nail clippers for trimming.
I like the slightly clipped look Cyrano.
Quote from: mirth on December 26, 2016, 12:48:14 PM
I'd be fine with a 2mm trimmer as well. I split the difference when I ordered the 2.5. I could never go back to nail clippers for trimming.
Quote from: Cyrano on December 26, 2016, 11:52:35 AM
Just get the flipping Oregon and MOVE ON.
The only credible debate is +/- the .5 on the trim. That is all.
Amen. Just pick the Oregon Lam cutter you like and you're good to go :bd:
Quote from: Cyrano on December 26, 2016, 12:27:06 PM
Stickering: Origins 16. Out to lunch (literally). We're discussing counter clipping (yeah, I know) and I off-handedly mention to Doug that when one plays Memoir '44 D-Day Landings one must have a Breakthrough deck for each of the six maps. Now, one can buy a lot of Winter War expansions (not cheap) or one can use two regular Memoir decks. The trick is that there are certain cards that have an extra ability in Breakthrough. To remind one of this, there's a set of stickers one can download from Boardgamegeek and apply to one's cards. Doug shot me a look that was one of the grandest admixtures of pity, revulsion, and disgust I have ever seen. I laugh still to think of it. I also mentioned that playing D-Day Landings requires at least four sets of Memoir '44. As a storage convenience, I have one Memoir box that is all terrain, one that is all figures, one that is all maps, and one that is all the other stuff. This is miscegenation and is also not approved.
Philistine.
That doesn't hold a candle to the dude in the FB Wargamer's group that not only routinely hacks his counters to bits using an X-Acto knife and (apparently) a hacksaw, but slices his maps to bits and mounts them on foamcore to make them "3D."
But you're still a Philistine.
Quote from: panzerde on December 26, 2016, 12:57:22 PM
but slices his maps to bits and mounts them on foamcore to make them "3D."
That's not cool!
Quote from: Bison on December 26, 2016, 12:50:49 PM
I like the slightly clipped look Cyrano.
That is because you, sir, are a man of quality ;)
Quote from: panzerde on December 26, 2016, 12:57:22 PMbut slices his maps to bits and mounts them on foamcore to make them "3D."
That's Clair Conzelman, and for about 7-8 years there, he was an OWC regular who occasionally pitched in with the CP Wargames.
He's also a ring-knocker and was an active duty armor officer for a long time.
He was involved in one of the very early design sessions for the GEMSTONE system in 2010, when me, Cap'n D, Dr S, and LTC Galope were discussing the model we were originally implementing for the game.
I've never seen any of the 3D maps in person, but my understanding is that he's doing that w/ copies of the maps, not the originals.
Quote from: bayonetbrant on December 26, 2016, 01:36:08 PM
Quote from: panzerde on December 26, 2016, 12:57:22 PMbut slices his maps to bits and mounts them on foamcore to make them "3D."
That's Clair Conzelman, and for about 7-8 years there, he was an OWC regular who occasionally pitched in with the CP Wargames.
He's also a ring-knocker and was an active duty armor officer for a long time.
He was involved in one of the very early design sessions for the GEMSTONE system in 2010, when me, Cap'n D, Dr S, and LTC Galope were discussing the model we were originally implementing for the game.
I've never seen any of the 3D maps in person, but my understanding is that he's doing that w/ copies of the maps, not the originals.
He's a crank.
Quote from: bayonetbrant on December 26, 2016, 01:36:08 PM
I've never seen any of the 3D maps in person, but my understanding is that he's doing that w/ copies of the maps, not the originals.
That would be acceptable.
Final results of my Wing Leader clipping. Played a couple games with my buddy the other day. Truly great game.
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1252.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fhh561%2Fgrovesby%2F20161229_082625_zpstnayocfs.jpg&hash=f40036fb88ba38c5ff7610a140d3de25a73e14c3)
How did the clipper do? I think I have the same one.
Worked slick. It's not much faster than using nail clippers, but having uniform cuts makes all the difference.
Quote from: mirth on December 29, 2016, 08:53:05 AM
Worked slick. It's not much faster than using nail clippers, but having uniform cuts makes all the difference.
With nail clippers its bound to go wrong every now and then. Or at least,
less than perfect. Everyone even with a slightest OCD should definitely get the Oregon cutters instead :smitten:
2.5mm?
Quote from: mirth on December 29, 2016, 05:15:23 PM
Quote from: GJK on December 29, 2016, 05:11:28 PM
2.5mm?
That's what I have.
Thanks Mirth. I just got a 2.5 in Deluxe for Christmas (to go along with my 2mm and 3mm Standards). I was experimenting with it and I'm thinking that I'll stick with the 2 for the 1/2" counters. The 2.5 works great for 5/8". Anything larger and I'll use the 3. Sort of wish that I got the Deluxe in 2mm though since I clip mostly 1/2" counters. No biggie, I've used the Standards for 1000's of counters and it's worked just fine (the very occasional miscut).
Quote from: GJK on December 29, 2016, 05:11:28 PM
2.5mm?
I'd prefer the 2mm. But there were quality issues with that size at the time I ordered, so I ended up getting a 2.5mm. Works great too, if just a bit more rounded.
I have the 2.5mm as well and use it for all size counters really.
Maybe too large in size (3mm), but I decided to jump on the corner cutting holocaust and order a 3mm cutter today.
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on January 10, 2017, 02:04:49 PM
Maybe too large in size (3mm), but I decided to jump on the corner cutting holocaust and order a 3mm cutter today.
:o
2.5mm is as high as I'd want to go.
3mm may begin to make some of them start to look more circular overall.
Quote from: GJK on December 29, 2016, 06:06:34 PM
Quote from: mirth on December 29, 2016, 05:15:23 PM
Quote from: GJK on December 29, 2016, 05:11:28 PM
2.5mm?
That's what I have.
Thanks Mirth. I just got a 2.5 in Deluxe for Christmas (to go along with my 2mm and 3mm Standards). I was experimenting with it and I'm thinking that I'll stick with the 2 for the 1/2" counters. The 2.5 works great for 5/8". Anything larger and I'll use the 3. Sort of wish that I got the Deluxe in 2mm though since I clip mostly 1/2" counters. No biggie, I've used the Standards for 1000's of counters and it's worked just fine (the very occasional miscut).
I may order a 2mm Deluxe to go along with the 2.5mm
Quote from: Nefaro on January 10, 2017, 03:01:13 PM
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on January 10, 2017, 02:04:49 PM
Maybe too large in size (3mm), but I decided to jump on the corner cutting holocaust and order a 3mm cutter today.
:o
2.5mm is as high as I'd want to go.
3mm may begin to make some of them start to look more circular overall.
I want to try it on some of my larger counters, and see where it goes. If it's too much I'll get a smaller one eventually.
Degenerates! All of you! #:-)
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on January 10, 2017, 02:04:49 PM
Maybe too large in size (3mm), but I decided to jump on the corner cutting holocaust and order a 3mm cutter today.
(https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/50003541.jpg)
"Gaba gaba- we accept you, we accept you!"
I hope I don't regret that 3mm now. :(
Oh well, it is what it is. Gotta start somewhere.
I suspect I am going to end up owning all three sizes.
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on January 10, 2017, 08:03:51 PM
I hope I don't regret that 3mm now. :(
Oh well, it is what it is. Gotta start somewhere.
I'm pretty sure size matters in this case... :-"
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on January 10, 2017, 08:03:51 PM
I hope I don't regret that 3mm now. :(
Oh well, it is what it is. Gotta start somewhere.
I like the 3mm on the 5/8" counters. Wouldn't use it on 1/2" ones though.
Quote from: mirth on January 10, 2017, 08:08:29 PM
I suspect I am going to end up owning all three sizes.
It is the path of a true Groghead. Repeat after me:
"I am one with the Clipping. The Clipping is with me"
I am one with the Clipping alright :D
Is that kosher? ;D
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on January 11, 2017, 10:56:40 AM
Is that kosher? ;D
Clip 'em early. Right after they get punched out.
My 3mm OL rounder arrived today. I immediately got Enemy Coast Ahead out and tried it on the larger counters. It worked so well I hesitantly tried a smaller one, and I didn't think it was that bad at all!
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1175.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fr624%2FMichaelE6%2FMobile%2520Uploads%2F20170114_151514.jpg&hash=21b9618c3bfcbb1486f42a651798f5755ff70f6d)
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Finally got done just now. I'm very happy with how the counters look now. My hand is a bit sore from the clipping but everything looks great.
You do realise that Vance will likely need counselling after seeing that.
:wow:
If you do that to D-Day you can keep it. :buck2:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/v8mZc0w2CQ4/hqdefault.jpg)
No, this game is the only one I've done thusly thus far thust.
That's not too bad for the 3mm. They're heavily rounded, but I don't see text or numbers being cut into so it's all good. ^-^
That's a pretty deep cut for counters that size, but they still look better than untrimmed.
Very nice indeed :)
Yeah, I was thinking 3mm would be too much but those look good. O0
Can't go to 3...just can't do it.
But this is now an obsession. I realized to my horror I hadn't clipped the handful of markers for Eagles and put my son to the task!!
It's now so bad that child labor has been utilized.
>:D ^-^
My wife loves clipping counters. We fight over the privilege of clipping counters sometimes. She also takes my counter clipper and uses it for her other crafty stuff, so I can never be sure where it is.
WOW! Child and wife abuse in one thread. #:-)
His whole family while have carpal tunnel syndrome within the next 5 years.
Da Baus
:arr:
Quote from: Barthheart on January 14, 2017, 08:23:51 PM
:wow:
If you do that to D-Day you can keep it. :buck2:
That's cute that you thought he was going to ever get around to sending it in the first place ;)
The horror! :hide:
(https://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic3417913.jpg)
From this AAR:
https://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/1728046/s2-war-rats
:wow:
That's a mite aggressive on the clipping.
At least the guy saw the error of his ways
QuoteHi Dan: I was wondering if someone might notice. They're pretty much even little octagons. A couple of years ago, I got a little aggressive with them using a homemade CD case and toe-clipper arrangement. I've since upgraded to a proper 2.5mm radius deluxe corner rounder - if I ever make it up to ASLSK#2 and beyond.
What's the black snake around the building?
He's drawn on plexiglass the victory hexes.
That's cheating :P
Quote from: Barthheart on February 16, 2017, 02:59:55 PM
The horror! :hide:
(https://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic3417913.jpg)
From this AAR:
https://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/1728046/s2-war-rats
:wow:
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Get the saw! :arr:
Lucky for him a replacement SK#1 is only $25.
Quote from: Barthheart on February 16, 2017, 03:15:58 PM
He's drawn on plexiglass the victory hexes.
I use pennies to mark the victory hexes.
Friends don't let friends use unclipped counters.
The Grog version of manscaping?
Quote from: James Sterrett on March 09, 2017, 06:09:15 PM
Friends don't let friends use unclipped counters.
Someone needs an Oregon Laminations clipper.
That looks like some kind of cloth counter? ???
Quote from: James Sterrett on March 09, 2017, 06:09:15 PM
Friends don't let friends use unclipped counters.
I used to hold you in such esteem James.... :idiot2:
Quote from: bbmike on March 09, 2017, 08:05:57 PM
That looks like some kind of cloth counter? ???
It's a very close shot of older counters from Victory Point Games, before they started laser-cutting. (More specifically, from Battle for Moscow. And I did use an Oregon Laminations 2mm cutter. :) )
Quote from: Barthheart on March 09, 2017, 08:18:11 PM
Quote from: James Sterrett on March 09, 2017, 06:09:15 PM
Friends don't let friends use unclipped counters.
I used to hold you in such esteem James.... :idiot2:
But isn't it better to know you now see the truth, even if it causes you to have strange visions of unearthly creatures and cyclopean structures built using alien geometries?
Clipping, its been years. I remember clipping all of my SPI War in Europe counters. Later I clipped all of the Fire in the East/Scorched Earth counters. The last thing I clipped was Russia Besieged (nor much of a challenge after the others). I have Proud Monster Deluxe, unpunched. I cannot decide whether to clip and play solitaire or just watch it age on the shelf.
Clipped all my Wing Leader Victories counters. Supremacy to go. Then the Yanks v2 of ASL.
Much... clipping... ahead...
Quote from: Yskonyn on March 13, 2017, 11:10:47 AM
Clipped all my Wing Leader Victories counters. Supremacy to go. Then the Yanks v2 of ASL.
Much... clipping... ahead...
Barth's head is going to explode :P
:pullhair:
As a not deeply involved board gamer... WTF is the controversy?
Quote from: Windigo on March 13, 2017, 12:53:43 PM
As a not deeply involved board gamer... WTF is the controversy?
Start at the beginning.
..that's a very good place to start...
Quote from: Windigo on March 13, 2017, 12:53:43 PM
As a not deeply involved board gamer... WTF is the controversy?
This is easy:
Which of these pieces, notably the shape of the corners, would you prefer to play with? And which the least?
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcf.geekdo-images.com%2Fimages%2Fpic1350241_md.jpg&hash=4585f9f7309be1908a3286409f4da4f15047061b)
Quote from: Nefaro on March 13, 2017, 01:57:34 PM
Quote from: Windigo on March 13, 2017, 12:53:43 PM
As a not deeply involved board gamer... WTF is the controversy?
This is easy:
Which of these pieces, notably the shape of the corners, would you prefer to play with? And which the least?
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcf.geekdo-images.com%2Fimages%2Fpic1350241_md.jpg&hash=4585f9f7309be1908a3286409f4da4f15047061b)
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Quote from: Nefaro on March 13, 2017, 01:57:34 PM
Quote from: Windigo on March 13, 2017, 12:53:43 PM
As a not deeply involved board gamer... WTF is the controversy?
This is easy:
Which of these pieces, notably the shape of the corners, would you prefer to play with? And which the least?
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcf.geekdo-images.com%2Fimages%2Fpic1350241_md.jpg&hash=4585f9f7309be1908a3286409f4da4f15047061b)
But you don't have a pic in there showing a counter properly removed from the sprue that is still a square and doesn't need to be trimmed. :timeout:
Quote from: Barthheart on March 13, 2017, 02:04:11 PM
Quote from: Nefaro on March 13, 2017, 01:57:34 PM
Quote from: Windigo on March 13, 2017, 12:53:43 PM
As a not deeply involved board gamer... WTF is the controversy?
This is easy:
Which of these pieces, notably the shape of the corners, would you prefer to play with? And which the least?
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcf.geekdo-images.com%2Fimages%2Fpic1350241_md.jpg&hash=4585f9f7309be1908a3286409f4da4f15047061b)
But you don't have a pic in there showing a counter properly removed from the sprue that is still a square and doesn't need to be trimmed. :timeout:
He also doesn't have a picture of a unicorn riding a dragon.
:P
???
One is clearly uglier than the others.
Sorry Barth.....
Agreed, but one does not need to mutilate their counters to make it look nice/play well. Just removing it from the sprue with a blade of some kind, I use a wheel cutter, will keep it clean and SQUARE, the way the Creator intended.
Quote from: Barthheart on March 13, 2017, 02:18:16 PM
Agreed, but one does not need to mutilate their counters to make it look nice/play well. Just removing it from the sprue with a blade of some kind, I use a wheel cutter, will keep it clean and SQUARE, the way the Creator intended.
Which creator? The game designer? The art director? The person who invented the die cutter? :))
Yes. ;)
Quote from: Barthheart on March 13, 2017, 02:18:16 PM
Agreed, but one does not need to mutilate their counters to make it look nice/play well. Just removing it from the sprue with a blade of some kind, I use a wheel cutter, will keep it clean and SQUARE, the way the Creator intended.
the one on the right does look really cool though...
Quote from: Windigo on March 13, 2017, 02:27:39 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on March 13, 2017, 02:18:16 PM
Agreed, but one does not need to mutilate their counters to make it look nice/play well. Just removing it from the sprue with a blade of some kind, I use a wheel cutter, will keep it clean and SQUARE, the way the Creator intended.
the one on the right does look really cool though...
#:-)
Quote from: Windigo on March 13, 2017, 02:27:39 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on March 13, 2017, 02:18:16 PM
Agreed, but one does not need to mutilate their counters to make it look nice/play well. Just removing it from the sprue with a blade of some kind, I use a wheel cutter, will keep it clean and SQUARE, the way the Creator intended.
the one on the right does look really cool though...
And you won't poke an eye out with it. Those square corners are dangerous!
Quote from: Windigo on March 13, 2017, 02:27:39 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on March 13, 2017, 02:18:16 PM
Agreed, but one does not need to mutilate their counters to make it look nice/play well. Just removing it from the sprue with a blade of some kind, I use a wheel cutter, will keep it clean and SQUARE, the way the Creator intended.
the one on the right does look really cool though...
I was going to say this but I think we're meddling with forces we don't understand
Middle one was done with clippers, but the one on the right was done with a proper tool for the job.
Open box, get counters off sprues, drink beer and game with friends - who cares if you have hairy corners
Tsk. :hide:
Quote from: undercovergeek on March 13, 2017, 03:54:12 PM
Open box, get counters off sprues, drink beer and game with friends - who cares if you have hairy corners
:bd: <:-) :clap:
Quote from: Barthheart on March 13, 2017, 05:11:21 PM
Quote from: undercovergeek on March 13, 2017, 03:54:12 PM
Open box, get counters off sprues, drink beer and game with friends - who cares if you have hairy corners
:bd: <:-) :clap:
This from the guy who uses a wheel cutter to punch each counter :crazy2:
:)
Quote from: mirth on March 13, 2017, 05:18:17 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on March 13, 2017, 05:11:21 PM
Quote from: undercovergeek on March 13, 2017, 03:54:12 PM
Open box, get counters off sprues, drink beer and game with friends - who cares if you have hairy corners
:bd: <:-) :clap:
This from the guy who uses a wheel cutter to punch each counter :crazy2:
Defacement!
Slicing those poor things up while they're still in their cardboard womb! Monster! :hide:
"Cardboard womb"....creepy and well played!
Quote from: mirth on March 13, 2017, 08:55:23 PM
"Cardboard womb"....creepy and well played!
I am pretty sure one South Park episode featured murdered cardboard womb baby counters (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0759312/?ref_=ttep_ep4).
By clipping them you make em tough. I need no stinkin' pussy counters in my war! They need to be tough and ferocious and the only way to give them that is to have let them endure some pain. Clipping is REQUIRED basic training!
^ROFL :bd:
Quote from: Yskonyn on March 14, 2017, 07:50:03 AM
By clipping them you make em tough. I need no stinkin' pussy counters in my war! They need to be tough and ferocious and the only way to give them that is to have let them endure some pain. Clipping is REQUIRED basic training!
Clipping made the Game of Thrones' Unsullied into the elite army that they are O0
For Barthheart - https://twitter.com/GreyIC/status/846219456586047488
Lol
Normandy '44 is a beautiful game and deserves its own GMT tray and not baggies >:(
Quote from: bob48 on March 28, 2017, 05:40:44 AM
Normandy '44 is a beautiful game and deserves its own GMT tray and not baggies >:(
Agreed. It doesn't seem right to make them all pretty and clipped only to stuff them into baggies.
Quote from: bob48 on March 28, 2017, 05:40:44 AM
Normandy '44 is a beautiful game and deserves its own GMT tray and not baggies >:(
They all deserve trays or plastic "bead boxes".
Unfortunately some wargames come with minimal box room. :tickedoff:
GMT has been improving the extra room in some of their games lately. Hopefully that will extend to all of them. But there are others, such as MMP, with thin ass boxes, bulging even with a single counter tray inside. I've got a pair of those with the lid barely on, after cramming a counter tray in with it's book, maps, and deck of cards. :knuppel2:
Quote from: Nefaro on March 28, 2017, 08:07:43 AM
Quote from: bob48 on March 28, 2017, 05:40:44 AM
Normandy '44 is a beautiful game and deserves its own GMT tray and not baggies >:(
They all deserve trays or plastic "bead boxes".
Unfortunately some wargames come with minimal box room. :tickedoff:
GMT has been improving the extra room in some of their games lately. Hopefully that will extend to all of them. But there are others, such as MMP, with thin ass boxes, bulging even with a single counter tray inside. I've got a pair of those with the lid barely on, after cramming a counter tray in with it's book, maps, and deck of cards. :knuppel2:
Funny enough, I've got three MMP games Blitzkrieg Legend being the newest one I own but that one using the classic book case size, while Korea and Baltic Gap are older but smaller.
Alas, they are never large enough are they... GMT trays, latest manual version prints, even the older large boxes like the WaW box end up bulging, not to mention the smaller boxes everyone's seemingly using nowadays...
As for clipping and trays, just finished clipping the Warfighter box I got a few weeks back. Same here, not enough room for all the stuff.
I downloaded the figure profile file from BGG and printed it in color, twosided, and laminated them. Quite nice, except at this side of pond we've got our A/5/4/3 system, and the originals were with Letter size. I just need to print them one sided and redo I guess.
I'd be willing to pay a little extra if GMT included a tray with each game. I have quite a collection of those little baggies which I will never use for the counters.
Quote from: mirth on March 28, 2017, 12:25:59 PM
I'd be willing to pay a little extra if GMT included a tray with each game. I have quite a collection of those little baggies which I will never use for the counters.
Yeah, that would be handy for sure. Hunting GMT trays at this side of pond is not easy at times either, as sellers often are out of stock. I am down to my last empty one. Time to restock...
I found I could buy 10 direct from GMT cheaper than I could buy 4 from a UK source.
Good thing this came up, Hexasim (France) had 3 on stock so I picked one for 22e / 10 trays O0
I don't have any trouble buying the GMT trays. Just be handy to have them come with the game instead of the unwanted baggies.
So now (soon) I have eleven empty trays sitting in the shelf, all wanting to see some action. This, from almost running out of them. GMT's Silver Bayonet next?
It is a vicious cycle. They do this on purpose.
Not that I am complaining mind. We all need our excuses O:-)
Hell.. sometimes the GMT trays are sold out here in the US. Although it's been a couple years since I last saw that happen.
I wait until I order some stuff from places like CSI which offer free shipping over a certain value ($100 in that case). If I need a little bit more, to push it over and save on shipping, I'll add a stack of 4-8 to the order. O0
Not to add fuel to the fire...
... but the 2mm Oregon Lamination trimmer is now down to 36 bucks American:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00G2G340O/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Quote from: mirth on March 13, 2017, 08:55:23 PM
"Cardboard womb"....creepy and well played!
Lately I've been moving toward the series-in-a-bin solution. This used to be what happened to a "series" (like say all Avalanche naval games) when it went to the barn and was never expected to come back. The essence of the series-in-a-bin solution is the bin -- a capacious plastic box-thing with a tight lid that can hold a lot of game boxes. These days even popular games are getting stored as follows:
1) everything in several trays (the master-marker tray + popular battles or formations in GMT trays)
2) Maps in the bin
3) boxes and trays in the bin
4) miscellaneous other stuff in the bin
5) unpopular battles (such as Wittstock 1636 or Buena Vista or Hasta La Vista) in baggies in the bottom of the bin
And the bin somewhere like a closet or a loft or the basement -- it doesn't have to go to the barn! And you've got everything for a series right there!
And it all floats on a cushion of air-plumped baggies of unpopular battles.
Panzerde's head is going to explode when he reads that... :2funny:
Quote from: Barthheart on April 16, 2017, 07:57:49 AM
Panzerde's head is going to explode when he reads that... :2funny:
It's actually less wear-and-tear on maps since they don't have to be folded back into the boxes and monster games like the Alexander the Great stuff with all its extensions and mix-and-match scenarios are easier to sort through. Plus there's always the feeling of relief when you shovel an annoying scenario into a bag and turn it into a chaotic matrix at the bottom of all other possible scenarios.
Quote from: MengJiao on April 16, 2017, 12:07:41 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on April 16, 2017, 07:57:49 AM
Panzerde's head is going to explode when he reads that... :2funny:
It's actually less wear-and-tear on maps since they don't have to be folded back into the boxes and monster games like the Alexander the Great stuff with all its extensions and mix-and-match scenarios are easier to sort through. Plus there's always the feeling of relief when you shovel an annoying scenario into a bag and turn it into a chaotic matrix at the bottom of all other possible scenarios.
Oh, I agree with your methods. I use the same things for some of my series games... Doug however... well let's just see if he ever sees this thread.... :D
Quote from: Barthheart on April 16, 2017, 12:34:13 PM
Quote from: MengJiao on April 16, 2017, 12:07:41 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on April 16, 2017, 07:57:49 AM
Panzerde's head is going to explode when he reads that... :2funny:
It's actually less wear-and-tear on maps since they don't have to be folded back into the boxes and monster games like the Alexander the Great stuff with all its extensions and mix-and-match scenarios are easier to sort through. Plus there's always the feeling of relief when you shovel an annoying scenario into a bag and turn it into a chaotic matrix at the bottom of all other possible scenarios.
Oh, I agree with your methods. I use the same things for some of my series games... Doug however... well let's just see if he ever sees this thread.... :D
Vile, game component mixing heretics. If games in a series were meant to be mixed up, they'd come in one big box to start with. I warn you, you toy with the laws of nature here at your peril...
:hide:
So who's buying the 2mm trimmer? Hard to argue with that price.
It'll be delivered tomorrow.
Good man!!! O0
I should by a trimmer, but I'm going to devote that money to another game.
Quote from: Bison on April 16, 2017, 05:23:16 PM
I should by a trimmer, but I'm going to devote that money to another game.
That's how I went. For awhile.
Then it began calling me every time I saw cardboard counters.
Never! :tickedoff:
Quote from: panzerde on April 16, 2017, 04:30:19 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on April 16, 2017, 12:34:13 PM
Quote from: MengJiao on April 16, 2017, 12:07:41 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on April 16, 2017, 07:57:49 AM
Panzerde's head is going to explode when he reads that... :2funny:
It's actually less wear-and-tear on maps since they don't have to be folded back into the boxes and monster games like the Alexander the Great stuff with all its extensions and mix-and-match scenarios are easier to sort through. Plus there's always the feeling of relief when you shovel an annoying scenario into a bag and turn it into a chaotic matrix at the bottom of all other possible scenarios.
Oh, I agree with your methods. I use the same things for some of my series games... Doug however... well let's just see if he ever sees this thread.... :D
Vile, game component mixing heretics. If games in a series were meant to be mixed up, they'd come in one big box to start with. I warn you, you toy with the laws of nature here at your peril...
:hide:
I'm with Panzer on this one. Why would you mix components in such a cruel way? Maps deserve their own picture frame.
Quote from: Nefaro on April 16, 2017, 05:24:15 PM
Quote from: Bison on April 16, 2017, 05:23:16 PM
I should by a trimmer, but I'm going to devote that money to another game.
That's how I went. For awhile.
Then it began calling me every time I saw cardboard counters.
Lancaster is calling out to me with a siren song of desire.
The 2mm Trimmer is calling out to me
Quote from: panzerde on April 16, 2017, 04:30:19 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on April 16, 2017, 12:34:13 PM
Quote from: MengJiao on April 16, 2017, 12:07:41 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on April 16, 2017, 07:57:49 AM
Panzerde's head is going to explode when he reads that... :2funny:
It's actually less wear-and-tear on maps since they don't have to be folded back into the boxes and monster games like the Alexander the Great stuff with all its extensions and mix-and-match scenarios are easier to sort through. Plus there's always the feeling of relief when you shovel an annoying scenario into a bag and turn it into a chaotic matrix at the bottom of all other possible scenarios.
Oh, I agree with your methods. I use the same things for some of my series games... Doug however... well let's just see if he ever sees this thread.... :D
Vile, game component mixing heretics. If games in a series were meant to be mixed up, they'd come in one big box to start with. I warn you, you toy with the laws of nature here at your peril...
:hide:
Isn't Nature all in one big box?
Quote from: Bison on April 16, 2017, 05:23:16 PM
I should by a trimmer, but I'm going to devote that money to another game.
Not responding to you as such but rather as a general comment I'd say either clip the counters properly or do not touch them at all. That's what proper clippers such as the fabs Oregon Lam 2mm does, immaculate corners. And that's what the
Ethical Treatment of Square corners calls for as well, when you read the small print O:-)
For resell value, I'd never buy a 2d hand game if its chits are clipped with knifes, nailclippers, or such. I don't mind punched, of course not as it'd be 2d hand game, but no mutilations either. Done otherwise manually, it is just an uneven end result.
I've bought a few games with Oregon Lam clipped chits though having ensured the seller credentials and asked about this as well, and why not, saves me the effort. Often the sellers themselves point this out too.
I prefer to purchase games with untrimmed counters. That way I can mutilate them myself :P
I like the look of clipping, but I don't do it myself right now. The primary reason is as you say I think you need a proper clipper to make them look nice. So I play with fuzzy corners and live in envy of those devoted enough to do proper trimming of counters.
Ask your wife if she has cuticle trimmers. The are great for removing the fuzzy corners and keep the corners sharp!
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You appear to be advocating torturing counters! Look at that torture implement.
He's a savage.
Removing some fuzz is not equivalent to hacking off the corners.
Rounding. It's rounding the corners. Not attacking them like they are toenails.
Hack and slash...hack and slash...
Quote from: Bison on April 19, 2017, 10:39:10 AM
Hack and slash...hack and slash...
There's a reason why sabres, and Oregon Lam cutters, are around. You know what to do with your cutters. As for sabres:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VDDwuYGV9Y
Quote from: Bison on April 19, 2017, 10:39:10 AM
Hack and slash...hack and slash...
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LOL
Quote from: Barthheart on April 19, 2017, 10:27:35 AM
Ask your wife if she has cuticle trimmers. The are great for removing the fuzzy corners and keep the corners sharp!
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I do believe the Arch-Anti-Clipper has confessed to.... Clipping!
Sure, he tries to weael out of it be claiming it's "only the tip" or some such, but clipping is clipping.
Welcome back to the fold, Brother Bartheart. ;)
Quote from: James Sterrett on April 19, 2017, 05:49:34 PM
I do believe the Arch-Anti-Clipper has confessed to.... Clipping!
Sure, he tries to weael out of it be claiming it's "only the tip" or some such, but clipping is clipping.
Welcome back to the fold, Brother Bartheart. ;)
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The Prodigal Clipper has returned.
It was only a matter of time before the solid reasoning, and some bitchin' peer pressure, convinced him to join us in widespread cardboard circumcision.
Even if it's of the unfortunately brutal sort, used by shaking & palsied old hands gripping brutal toe nail sheers.
So now we can move into Card Sleeves. Just bought my first pack of sleeves, I see they are highly addictive as well ...
I love card sleeves.
You don't need card sleeves if you don't play card based games :P
Quote from: mirth on April 20, 2017, 07:46:57 AM
You don't need card sleeves if you don't play card based games :P
Never!
Quote from: Bison on April 20, 2017, 08:16:43 AM
Quote from: mirth on April 20, 2017, 07:46:57 AM
You don't need card sleeves if you don't play card based games :P
Never!
Eurogames, card games...I worry about you.
Let's talk laminated charts. I love my thermal laminator.
I'm willing to bet some of your wargames have card driven mechanics.
Maybe
Maybe you need some sleeves... ;)
Clipped counters and laminated charts are enough for me.
Is there ever really a limit to gaming bling?
No. Not really.
Some nice dice trays are next on my list.
Quote from: mirth on April 20, 2017, 08:41:57 AM
Some nice dice trays are next on my list.
Mine too. I've been looking at some DIY trays that I think look nice. There is one that uses a cork board instead of felt that looks really cool.
Quote from: Bison on April 20, 2017, 08:43:28 AM
There is one that uses a cork board instead of felt that looks really cool.
That does sound cool. You have a link?
Quote from: mirth on April 20, 2017, 08:38:04 AM
Clipped counters and laminated charts are enough for me.
That's what I thought as well...
Quote from: mirth on April 20, 2017, 08:47:12 AM
Quote from: Bison on April 20, 2017, 08:43:28 AM
There is one that uses a cork board instead of felt that looks really cool.
That does sound cool. You have a link?
Here's a photo link: https://boardgamegeek.com/image/2246685/thiskidgotmoxie there is a thread on BGG about cheap DIY dice trays, which is where I saw this. I'm not sure if there is a "design" but it pretty standard. Shadow box, think cork board, measure, cut, glue.
Nice. I do like that. Could be a good little project.
Quote from: mirth on April 20, 2017, 08:41:57 AM
Some nice dice trays are next on my list.
Thankfully those are relatively cheap.
Quote from: Nefaro on April 20, 2017, 04:46:14 PM
Quote from: mirth on April 20, 2017, 08:41:57 AM
Some nice dice trays are next on my list.
Thankfully those are relatively cheap.
Depends how you do the math on material cost ...
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Quote from: mirth on April 20, 2017, 08:41:37 AM
No. Not really.
now, when one finishes to clip that cardboard pieces - one needs to
cover the 'open' cardboard edge with nail polish to make these suckers watertight! HEAR ME?! :D
Quote from: chemkid on April 21, 2017, 06:17:38 AM
Quote from: mirth on April 20, 2017, 08:41:37 AM
No. Not really.
now, when one finishes to clip that cardboard pieces - one needs to cover the 'open' cardboard edge with nail polish to make these suckers watertight! HEAR ME?! :D
But before that you need to colour the edges, to match the counter, with coloured markers. :D
Quote from: Barthheart on April 21, 2017, 07:01:00 AM
Quote from: chemkid on April 21, 2017, 06:17:38 AM
Quote from: mirth on April 20, 2017, 08:41:37 AM
No. Not really.
now, when one finishes to clip that cardboard pieces - one needs to cover the 'open' cardboard edge with nail polish to make these suckers watertight! HEAR ME?! :D
But before that you need to colour the edges, to match the counter, with coloured markers. :D
sure, that's how they do it, mate!! no waterproof marker, no sharpy just some good'ol dry-erase pen... :D
Ok you guys may be taking this obsession a little too far.
nope, just the plain truth. that's exactly what happens after you grabbed your first pack of dragonshields to start sleeving your collection.
Quote from: Barthheart on April 21, 2017, 07:01:00 AM
Quote from: chemkid on April 21, 2017, 06:17:38 AM
Quote from: mirth on April 20, 2017, 08:41:37 AM
No. Not really.
now, when one finishes to clip that cardboard pieces - one needs to cover the 'open' cardboard edge with nail polish to make these suckers watertight! HEAR ME?! :D
But before that you need to colour the edges, to match the counter, with coloured markers. :D
The next thing you know you're cutting up maps and mounting the pieces on foamcore to make them 3D.
And getting a pedicure.
that would be over doing it, right? i'd rather recommend to frame your favorite maps and play something less valuable - that's all.
Quote from: chemkid on April 21, 2017, 07:10:17 AM
nope, just the plain truth. that's exactly what happens after you grabbed your first pack of dragonshields to start sleeving your collection.
Dragon Shield sleeves are ok, but not my preferred sleeve. I've come to like the plain transparent Fantasy Flight sleeves. I like to see the card art. The key is to IMMEDIATELY sleeve after opening a new game.
I'm thinking I'll make a trip to Hobby Lobby this evening. I want to look at some shadow boxes and cork board. I also want to price out a bulk cut of felt for an old kitchen table I plan on converting into my gaming table. Nothing fancy like GJK and Mike did just a simple cover over the top.
Quote from: Bison on April 21, 2017, 10:40:41 AM
I'm thinking I'll make a trip to Hobby Lobby this evening. I want to look at some shadow boxes and cork board. I also want to price out a bulk cut of felt for an old kitchen table I plan on converting into my gaming table. Nothing fancy like GJK and Mike did just a simple cover over the top.
Let me know what you find out about the dice tray materials. I'm not much of a DIYer, but I think I can manage the dice trays.
Quote from: mirth on April 21, 2017, 10:42:41 AM
Quote from: Bison on April 21, 2017, 10:40:41 AM
I'm thinking I'll make a trip to Hobby Lobby this evening. I want to look at some shadow boxes and cork board. I also want to price out a bulk cut of felt for an old kitchen table I plan on converting into my gaming table. Nothing fancy like GJK and Mike did just a simple cover over the top.
Let me know what you find out about the dice tray materials. I'm not much of a DIYer, but I think I can manage the dice trays.
Will do boss.
Quote from: mirth on April 21, 2017, 10:42:41 AM
Quote from: Bison on April 21, 2017, 10:40:41 AM
I'm thinking I'll make a trip to Hobby Lobby this evening. I want to look at some shadow boxes and cork board. I also want to price out a bulk cut of felt for an old kitchen table I plan on converting into my gaming table. Nothing fancy like GJK and Mike did just a simple cover over the top.
Let me know what you find out about the dice tray materials. I'm not much of a DIYer, but I think I can manage the dice trays.
I took a black wire desk tray from Office Depot and stuck felt in the bottom of it. Works great, and quiet.
Quote from: panzerde on April 21, 2017, 11:10:05 AM
Quote from: mirth on April 21, 2017, 10:42:41 AM
Quote from: Bison on April 21, 2017, 10:40:41 AM
I'm thinking I'll make a trip to Hobby Lobby this evening. I want to look at some shadow boxes and cork board. I also want to price out a bulk cut of felt for an old kitchen table I plan on converting into my gaming table. Nothing fancy like GJK and Mike did just a simple cover over the top.
Let me know what you find out about the dice tray materials. I'm not much of a DIYer, but I think I can manage the dice trays.
I took a black wire desk tray from Office Depot and stuck felt in the bottom of it. Works great, and quiet.
That's not a bad idea either. I did like like the look of the cork lined trays from that BGG link Bison posted.
Quote from: mirth on April 20, 2017, 08:19:26 AM
Let's talk laminated charts. I love my thermal laminator.
Let's do. I have one and haven't used it yet. How do the charts hold up? Do they fade or turn yellowish over time? Start to pull apart?
Quote from: bbmike on April 21, 2017, 02:57:46 PM
Quote from: mirth on April 20, 2017, 08:19:26 AM
Let's talk laminated charts. I love my thermal laminator.
Start to pull apart?
This would be a nightmare.
Quote from: bbmike on April 21, 2017, 02:57:46 PM
Quote from: mirth on April 20, 2017, 08:19:26 AM
Let's talk laminated charts. I love my thermal laminator.
Let's do. I have one and haven't used it yet. How do the charts hold up? Do they fade or turn yellowish over time? Start to pull apart?
Not that I've seen, but everything I've laminated is less than a year old.
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Home-made, camo dice boot!
Very nice!
..because I'm a skinflint.....
Quote from: bob48 on April 21, 2017, 04:31:44 PM
..because I'm a skinflint.....
more money for games
Bawb won't buy an OL clipper. Instead he carefully rubs the corners of his counters round by patiently rubbing them on the stones of Hadrian's Wall.
I'm slowly wearing the wall away. I'll show you the spot I use when you come over next month.
Quote from: panzerde on April 21, 2017, 04:50:22 PM
Bawb won't buy an OL clipper. Instead he carefully rubs the corners of his counters round by patiently rubbing them on the stones of Hadrian's Wall.
The old ways still work ;D
Quote from: Bison on April 21, 2017, 10:37:15 AM
Quote from: chemkid on April 21, 2017, 07:10:17 AM
nope, just the plain truth. that's exactly what happens after you grabbed your first pack of dragonshields to start sleeving your collection.
Dragon Shield sleeves are ok, but not my preferred sleeve. I've come to like the plain transparent Fantasy Flight sleeves. I like to see the card art. The key is to IMMEDIATELY sleeve after opening a new game.
I like "penny sleeves" just because they're not so damn bulky. Most of those thick deck protector ones make the deck size so much larger. Which can sometimes be a problem, especially if the deck in question was already large or I'm using it with my deck organizer/holder during play.
Unfortunately normal penny sleeves are a bit too wide, leaving extra open space inside.
So I'll eventually get a big pack of these reportedly tight-fitting thin Japanese card sleeves and see how they hold up. At twice the cost, I hope they're somewhat resilient. They seem pretty popular for regular size cards, though, so they must be decent.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00T3Z72Q8
Quote from: mirth on April 21, 2017, 04:52:48 PM
Quote from: panzerde on April 21, 2017, 04:50:22 PM
Bawb won't buy an OL clipper. Instead he carefully rubs the corners of his counters round by patiently rubbing them on the stones of Hadrian's Wall.
The old ways still work ;D
to Bawb, those are modern techniques.
..meh, don't need no new-fangled fancy machinery.............
I'll be sleeping up both Trajan and Bora Bora this evening. Stupid little mini euro cards...
Quote from: Bison on April 22, 2017, 04:46:28 PM
I'll be sleeping up both Trajan and Bora Bora this evening. Stupid little mini euro cards...
You slut! Don't let yer wife catch you sleeping with other sleeves..... :wow:
Quote from: Bison on April 22, 2017, 04:46:28 PM
I'll be sleeping up both Trajan and Bora Bora this evening. Stupid little mini euro cards...
Trajan would sleep with anything. ::)
Especially in Bora Bora
Trajan, you are a madman. When you stole that cow in Bora Bora, and your friend tried to make it with the cow? I want to party with you, cowboy.
I think some asshole at apple intentionally made autocorrect to provide endless humor at the expense of poor bastards such as me.
They really are geniuses
Evil.
I have a dilemma. I just punched Fields of Despair. The large counters (an entire sheet worth) punched cleanly and really do not need to be trimmed. The small counters (second counter sheet) have the usual corner tufts and should be trimmed. Do I trim them all for uniformity? Do I only trim the counters that need it?
Barthheart, you don't need to tell me not to trim any of them or to use those damned nail clippers of yours :P
Don't trim any of them, OR use cuticle clippers to trim the tufts only. :)
Trim them all. Got it.
Degenerate. L:-)
Trim the box edges while you're at it.
Quote from: Banzai_Cat on April 24, 2017, 06:34:21 PM
Trim the box edges while you're at it.
I smooth those down with a finger nail file.
Damn, I should have clipped all the counters to that D-Day game I sent him...I wonder if he'd have taken it? >:D
Nope. >:(
The next couple days will not make you happy ;)
If you send Barth a clipped game, you'll need to provide him with counter merkins.
Trimmer Claus is coming to town....
Quote from: mirth on April 24, 2017, 08:56:10 PM
Trimmer Claus is coming to town....
Oh my, this could get interesting...
This thread has the possibility of sinking to below the belt issues.
Quote from: Bison on April 24, 2017, 09:24:56 PM
This thread has the possibility of sinking to below the belt issues.
I'd prefer it not
Quote from: Barthheart on April 24, 2017, 08:15:58 PM
Nope. >:(
Easy hoss...you know I'd never do that, regardless of my clipping-cultural beliefs now. ;)
The only comparable I have in my experience is with fossil collection and prep.
If you want maximum durability and resistance to wear, you trim and smooth the edges of the rock plate that the fossil is embedded in, its just a side effect that the fossil plate looks more presentable....
Just my left field 2cent comparable.
Quote from: Windigo on April 25, 2017, 10:27:47 AM
The only comparable I have in my experience is with fossil collection and prep.
If you want maximum durability and resistance to wear, you trim and smooth the edges of the rock plate that the fossil is embedded in, its just a side effect that the fossil plate looks more presentable....
Just my left field 2cent comparable.
The crossover to counters here is that smoothing/rounding the corners greatly decreases the instances of counters catching on each other and getting knocked out of their hexes. "Crap! Where was the 3rd Panzer supposed to be?!"
Quote from: Ubercat on April 25, 2017, 10:49:32 AM
Quote from: Windigo on April 25, 2017, 10:27:47 AM
The only comparable I have in my experience is with fossil collection and prep.
If you want maximum durability and resistance to wear, you trim and smooth the edges of the rock plate that the fossil is embedded in, its just a side effect that the fossil plate looks more presentable....
Just my left field 2cent comparable.
The crossover to counters here is that smoothing/rounding the corners greatly decreases the instances of counters catching on each other and getting knocked out of their hexes. "Crap! Where was the 3rd Panzer supposed to be?!"
When that happens the key is to make sure the counter goes back to the hex most advantageous to you ;)
A real wargamer would take still shots at the end of each players round to ensure board state fidelity.
https://twitter.com/eastfrontgames/status/864824169032073216
The horror! :wow:
If he's going after those with that pair of scissors, I'm with you on that.
But those are OCS counters, not East Front.
I am horrified at the using of plain old OSB to game on. :crazy2: A roll of card table felt works well...
Quote from: panzerde on May 18, 2017, 12:22:25 PM
If he's going after those with that pair of scissors, I'm with you on that.
x10
:timeout:
He could at least use toe nail clippers. Sweet Spaghetti Monster! That pic is chilling!
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=816086408557353&set=gm.1551007064910971&type=3&theater
QuoteWargaming Lesson #125: Never clip counters drunk.
some of the comments are pretty funny
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QuoteDonald Byron Johnson: Now a 7-4.
QuoteChris Friend Comrade General, the 33d Army was hit hard on the right flank!
QuoteRussell Evans In Soviet Russia, counter clips you!
Mutilated - gar...horrible.
O-R-E-G-O-N
L-A-M-I-N-A-T-I-O-N
For heaven's sake people, it's not complicated.
Do or do not...
The horror...the horror.
And as a side note for Doug, I finally got my second Battle Cry for "Big Battle Cry" purposes and was in the process of stickering the flags when I realized I could miscegenate the two boxes. My beloved waved me off from this notion for fear of your response.
miscegenate... This is not a word I thought I'd ever see in a wargame discussion.
Quote from: Cyrano on May 22, 2017, 08:58:19 AM
And as a side note for Doug, I finally got my second Battle Cry for "Big Battle Cry" purposes and was in the process of stickering the flags when I realized I could miscegenate the two boxes. My beloved waved me off from this notion for fear of your response.
She's a good woman. She keeps you from engaging in crimes against humanity.
Oh the humanity! Who would do such a thing!!!! Attack of the octagons! :hide:
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From an AAR on BGG
Yeah, that's some bad clipping.
The German 467 in melee gets a -2 on his CC roll because he obviously has a machete.
Yeah, but he also gets a -1 on his Ambush roll because EVERYBODY sees THAT coming...
Isn't that offset by the +3 for going onto the battlefield half dressed?
Quote from: Cyrano on August 02, 2017, 11:23:09 PM
Yeah, but he also gets a -1 on his Ambush roll because EVERYBODY sees THAT coming...
That would be a +1 but point taken. . :)
https://twitter.com/RitVPodcast/status/896733304443072512
Can't remember who, but one of you posted a pic of a round cutter (sort of like a pizza cutter, a round blade) that could be used to cut mounted counters smoothly. I can't find the pic anywhere though - figured it would be here.
Anyway...if someone knows what I'm talking about, if you wouldn't mind reposting the name of that thing I'd appreciate it. I had it in my Amazon cart for a while but it disappeared and I can't recall the name of it. Thanks!
Quote from: BanzaiCat on August 15, 2017, 09:41:59 AM
Can't remember who, but one of you posted a pic of a round cutter (sort of like a pizza cutter, a round blade) that could be used to cut mounted counters smoothly. I can't find the pic anywhere though - figured it would be here.
Anyway...if someone knows what I'm talking about, if you wouldn't mind reposting the name of that thing I'd appreciate it. I had it in my Amazon cart for a while but it disappeared and I can't recall the name of it. Thanks!
I think that was Barthheart, but I don't see it in this thread. IIRC, he uses the little wheelie thing to cut the counters from the sprues and then he trims any residual fuzz with a cuticle trimmer.
Don't tell me that's what your going to do :P
No, I have a couple of mounted boards of counters that need cutting. I don't trust scissors and was thinking of an xacto knife and ruler, actually, but this might be easier.
There's about a bazillion rotary cutters on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_2_8?url=search-alias%3Darts-crafts&field-keywords=rotary+cutter&sprefix=rotary+c%2Caps%2C205&crid=47FIIFLANN4K
True, but I wanted to find something counter-friendly. No idea if some of these are too thick/large for counters, or if that's not an issue.
https://www.amazon.com/Fiskars-SureCut-Deluxe-Trimmer-152490-1004/dp/B0038F1A0S/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_229_bs_t_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=CQNHA2RV9DPS1DG34NE8
O0
I might get one of those :P
That does look easy and effective...
http://privatewars.kyth.org/making_your_own_counters.htm#Cutting%20with%2012%20Rotary%20Cutter
This'll cut counters like nothin'
I found my Xacto knife and tried with a ruler, but I can't cut deep enough with the blade. I cut maybe one side of one counter from the bottom of the counter sheet. A cutting board/rotary cutter would be much, much easier for this.
I also think the Xacto is murderizin' the edges, so I stopped pretty quickly.
This 60mm fiskars will cut through thick chipboard with ease - I highly recommend it. You have to be careful though...this will slice a counter in two or take your finger off if you stray from the metal ruler.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0055740UO/
I had a run in with my paper cutter last month. Turns out those warning labels are serious :P
Quote from: GJK on August 15, 2017, 09:08:35 PM
This 60mm fiskars will cut through thick chipboard with ease - I highly recommend it. You have to be careful though...this will slice a counter in two or take your finger off if you stray from the metal ruler.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0055740UO/
Thanks, GJK. I was eyeing that very cutter as well as the cutting board mirth suggested. I think I might go with the rotary and a mat as well.
Speaking of, any suggestions for mats? This is the one I have currently in my Amazon cart:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0015AOIYI/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Is 3mm enough? It says "self healing" but that doesn't really tell me if it stops a cutter from going through to the surface underneath.
^I have that one. I really don't see how a cutter could go all the way through it, an exacto knife won't.
Thanks, bbmike. O0
Quote from: BanzaiCat on August 16, 2017, 08:46:45 AM
Quote from: GJK on August 15, 2017, 09:08:35 PM
This 60mm fiskars will cut through thick chipboard with ease - I highly recommend it. You have to be careful though...this will slice a counter in two or take your finger off if you stray from the metal ruler.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0055740UO/ (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0055740UO/)
Thanks, GJK. I was eyeing that very cutter as well as the cutting board mirth suggested. I think I might go with the rotary and a mat as well.
Speaking of, any suggestions for mats? This is the one I have currently in my Amazon cart:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0015AOIYI/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0015AOIYI/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER)
Is 3mm enough? It says "self healing" but that doesn't really tell me if it stops a cutter from going through to the surface underneath.
I got this one which is a bit larger for a few dollars more
*: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003W0J9ES/
*Clint Eastwood action figure not included.
^That would be nice on my workbench. Now where can I buy the Clint Eastwood action figure? ^-^
Quote from: GJK on August 16, 2017, 05:48:41 PM
Quote from: BanzaiCat on August 16, 2017, 08:46:45 AM
Quote from: GJK on August 15, 2017, 09:08:35 PM
This 60mm fiskars will cut through thick chipboard with ease - I highly recommend it. You have to be careful though...this will slice a counter in two or take your finger off if you stray from the metal ruler.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0055740UO/ (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0055740UO/)
Thanks, GJK. I was eyeing that very cutter as well as the cutting board mirth suggested. I think I might go with the rotary and a mat as well.
Speaking of, any suggestions for mats? This is the one I have currently in my Amazon cart:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0015AOIYI/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0015AOIYI/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER)
Is 3mm enough? It says "self healing" but that doesn't really tell me if it stops a cutter from going through to the surface underneath.
I got this one which is a bit larger for a few dollars more*: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003W0J9ES/
*Clint Eastwood action figure not included.
I have some shopping to do :P
Quote from: GJK on August 15, 2017, 09:08:35 PM
This 60mm fiskars will cut through thick chipboard with ease - I highly recommend it. You have to be careful though...this will slice a counter in two or take your finger off if you stray from the metal ruler.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0055740UO/
Yeah that's the one I use too.
Quote from: Barthheart on August 21, 2017, 11:01:44 AM
Quote from: GJK on August 15, 2017, 09:08:35 PM
This 60mm fiskars will cut through thick chipboard with ease - I highly recommend it. You have to be careful though...this will slice a counter in two or take your finger off if you stray from the metal ruler.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0055740UO/
Yeah that's the one I use too.
Ordered and on the way. Should be here tomorrow. Along with a cutting mat. O0
http://uxmovement.com/thinking/why-rounded-corners-are-easier-on-the-eyes/
OMG! That's the best you can come up with? L:-)
Just trying to help you overcome your roundophobia
I thought it was clipacadasiaphobia.
That 60mm Fiskars circular blade is awesome, gents - thanks for the recommendations. Had to figure out how to best hold down the counters with the metal ruler (cork side down, even pressure worked best). Only cut my index finger on my left hand twice! Fortunately I didn't get any blood on anything. Holy shit that thing is sharp. :-[
Quote from: mirth on August 16, 2017, 06:07:55 PM
I have some shopping to do :P
Yep, me too.
It never ends.
Soon I find myself building a gaming table...
Quote from: BanzaiCat on September 01, 2017, 07:33:49 AM
That 60mm Fiskars circular blade is awesome, gents - thanks for the recommendations. Had to figure out how to best hold down the counters with the metal ruler (cork side down, even pressure worked best). Only cut my index finger on my left hand twice! Fortunately I didn't get any blood on anything. Holy shit that thing is sharp. :-[
My wife was looking at a few framed pictures of our kids the other day, thinking out loud those could be put together into one larger frame, perhaps, if they could be cut a bit smaller. Some excess space in their borders, can be done, she said...
To her surprise, she found her dear old hubby rising to the occasion. "I know just the cutter, I'll get one on my way back from work".
All I need now is a couple of new boardgames O:-)
That's a good cutter. The guys here recommended it and it worked very well for me. :bd:
Yep, 2 thumbs from me. :bd:
Quote from: BanzaiCat on September 25, 2017, 10:32:33 AM
That's a good cutter. The guys here recommended it and it worked very well for me. :bd:
Quote from: Barthheart on September 25, 2017, 10:34:31 AM
Yep, 2 thumbs from me. :bd:
Sheesh but that thing is
sharp.
Yeah, watch yer fingers! :o
I cut the index finger on my left hand twice. :-[
Who said we're armchair generals only. We willingly, bravely bleed crimson blood for a chance to command our units :tickedoff:
Edge coloring?
So some guy on FB is showing off his very nicely clipped counters, with colored edges. So a red counter, gets red edges in the same shade as the counter face.
I must admit, it does look nice, and must make a stack look really good. But it takes counter love too far in my book.
But then again, I am only a fair weather counter clipper...I like nice counters, and the way they stack, but not going to hold up a good game for it.
Quote from: mirth on August 31, 2016, 10:40:38 AM
The kerthunk sound it makes, as each corner is rounded to perfection, is indeed soothing.
Indeed.
Although mine needed two things:
1) More lubrication.
It squeaks quite readily. I spray some lube into the guts, where the two metal posts are, and it reduces that problem. Gotta do it occasionally, however, and it still squeaks a bit.
2) Tape over the two screw holes on the guide plate.
When turning counters while inside the guide plate, and without tape over those holes, it would scratch the colored paper on the counters a bit. Not a big deal after putting a small slice of packing tape across them. Change it out on rare occasions when an edge of the tape starts curling from regular rubbing.
The counters look damn good though. \m/
Quote from: Crossroads on September 25, 2017, 10:22:23 AM
Quote from: BanzaiCat on September 01, 2017, 07:33:49 AM
That 60mm Fiskars circular blade is awesome, gents - thanks for the recommendations. Had to figure out how to best hold down the counters with the metal ruler (cork side down, even pressure worked best). Only cut my index finger on my left hand twice! Fortunately I didn't get any blood on anything. Holy shit that thing is sharp. :-[
My wife was looking at a few framed pictures of our kids the other day, thinking out loud those could be put together into one larger frame, perhaps, if they could be cut a bit smaller. Some excess space in their borders, can be done, she said...
To her surprise, she found her dear old hubby rising to the occasion. "I know just the cutter, I'll get one on my way back from work".
All I need now is a couple of new boardgames O:-)
I have this same model and have cut 100's of counters using it, all mostly done with success. The issue that I was having was that I would have to take breaks more frequently than I wanted because my index finger (which would guide the cutter) would start to ache after some time. I then found this one and am really happy with it - and I think my cuts are straighter and with no finger strain:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0001DUJLQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0001DUJLQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
ooh, a sight to behold! Legions (literally) of neat, tidy counters, each centuria organised in their proper place in contubernia of storage boxes, ... :hug: :bd: :smitten:
Veni, Vidi, Clippi :coolsmiley:
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https://twitter.com/gzBlitz/status/1607829772117200897
Board Wargamers outside the USA may not know all the US State names but Oregon is one that most of them do...
Quote from: Staggerwing on December 28, 2022, 06:46:22 AM
Board Wargamers outside the USA may not know all the US State names but Oregon is one that most of them do...
So you're saying there's other states too :o
O:-)