Germany - Plot to Overthrow the German Government 2022

Started by ArizonaTank, December 07, 2022, 11:44:07 AM

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ArizonaTank

Just when you thought 2022 couldn't get more chaotic...

Nationwide arrests in Germany over plot to overthrow the German Government.

Johannes "Honus" Wagner
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Gusington

Holy Moses...can we not call it an attempted...'putsch'? History just keeps on rhyming. This is nuts.


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Jarhead0331

Doesn't seem very realistic to me. I love how they already spin them as "terrorists" though. Maybe they are, but it's certainly a powerful term meant to discredit and justify extreme measures.
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al_infierno

52 people are accused to belong to this cell. 25 of them were arrested including:

    A former member of parliament (AFD) and current judge in Berlin
    A retired Colonel and founding member of the elite Bundeswehr special forces unit "KSK"
    A current logistics officer of the elite Bundeswehr special forces unit "KSK"
    Serving and retired soldiers and cops


But yeah, seems pretty delusional to think this would actually accomplish anything.  Presumably they believed the military and general public would side with them?
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Gusington

60 Minutes did an in-depth piece about a year ago (I think) on how German special forces, police and regular army have been 'riddled' with these types for years.


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Jarhead0331

Quote from: Gusington on December 07, 2022, 12:47:37 PM
60 Minutes did an in-depth piece about a year ago (I think) on how German special forces, police and regular army have been 'riddled' with these types for years.

They claim the same thing about the US Military. Some stupid Marine draws a bunch of dicks in the shape of a swastika on the wall in a portable toilet and its treated as a domestic extremist incident.
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Gusington

There are those types all over the place but usually they are too stupid to be a threat to anything, IMHO.

I get the same vibe with this story in Germany but there is a slightly more serious undercurrent, even if the sheer number of these people amongst the rest of the population is tiny.


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We can't live under the threat of a c*nt because he's threatening nuclear Armageddon.

-JudgeDredd

Jarhead0331

^No doubt that an organized plot involving former members of government, judges, high ranking military officers and specialized military forces could represent a serious threat to the current regime. Again, without knowing the facts regarding intentions, motivations and commitments, I think its premature to label them as "terrorists" or classify the group as a credible threat actively engaged in plotting a coup. Regrettably, i do not follow German politics.
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Gusington

I do, as an admitted amateur, only because I find German politics interesting if not overly complicated. And from a historical angle.


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We can't live under the threat of a c*nt because he's threatening nuclear Armageddon.

-JudgeDredd

SirAndrewD

Ok, I feel like I'm reading a Bond novel

According to Sky News the ringleader was Heinrich XIII, a descendant of the old German Monarchy. 

The German news site Bild reports he was in contact with a Russian known as "Natalia A" and was negotiating with the Russians for immediate recognition of the restoration of the German monarchy and a mutual defense treaty separate from NATO.

Heinrich XIII is the monarch recognized by the Reichsburger movement, which is a pro-imperial, pro-military restoration group that has been noted in its calls for and incidents of violence.

This is wild.
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Gusington



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JasonPratt

Hohenzollerns?

Well at least we can be sure they aren't Nazis...  ::) 
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Also, photos of Natalia might be useful.

In case she tries something else elsewhere.

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ArizonaTank

Quote from: SirAndrewD on December 07, 2022, 03:00:46 PM
Ok, I feel like I'm reading a Bond novel

According to Sky News the ringleader was Heinrich XIII, a descendant of the old German Monarchy. 

The German news site Bild reports he was in contact with a Russian known as "Natalia A" and was negotiating with the Russians for immediate recognition of the restoration of the German monarchy and a mutual defense treaty separate from NATO.

Heinrich XIII is the monarch recognized by the Reichsburger movement, which is a pro-imperial, pro-military restoration group that has been noted in its calls for and incidents of violence.

This is wild.

If he has a fluffy cat...that he pets as he thinks about his diabolical plans...I think I'll just start laughing and not be able to stop...except this is real...I think?
Johannes "Honus" Wagner
"The Flying Dutchman"
Shortstop: Pittsburgh Pirates 1900-1917
Rated as the 2nd most valuable player of all time by Bill James.

SirAndrewD

Quote from: JasonPratt on December 07, 2022, 03:05:51 PM
Hohenzollerns?

Well at least we can be sure they aren't Nazis...  ::)

House Reuss apparently.  That's the last active branch of the old line. 

ABC reports that he's been arrested as well, and there's no indication that the Russians had made any firm agreements to the ringleaders proposals.   It seems by reports (also ABC) the Reichsburgers reached out to the Russians, not vice versa. 
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