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Title: Zapad 2017
Post by: besilarius on September 06, 2017, 06:49:22 AM
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/zapad-2017-should-we-fear-russias-latest-military-dress-22097

Thoughts on the upcoming Russian military maneuvers around the Baltic States and Konigsberg.
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: Gusington on September 06, 2017, 07:42:26 AM
I like the theory that once the Russian troops move in to Belarus, they won't be leaving. Devious and believable, just like the last 300 years of Russian history.
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: bayonetbrant on September 06, 2017, 07:59:43 AM
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/russias-covert-cyber-warfare-will-end-human-death-warns-latvias-foreign-minister-1638095
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: Sir Slash on September 06, 2017, 10:30:32 AM
Could there be Russian 'moles' inside the Grogheads?  :timeout:
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: mirth on September 06, 2017, 10:34:35 AM
Quote from: Sir Slash on September 06, 2017, 10:30:32 AM
Could there be Russian 'moles' inside the Grogheads?  :timeout:

Nyet, tovarisch.
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: Sir Slash on September 06, 2017, 11:12:32 AM
Is that 'nyet' or 'not yet'?
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: mirth on September 06, 2017, 11:14:28 AM
My KGB handlers have told me I've said too much already.
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: bbmike on September 06, 2017, 11:22:13 AM
I can get you some good intel on this.  O0
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: mirth on September 06, 2017, 11:23:57 AM
you're a well known source of Imperialist disinformation
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: bayonetbrant on September 06, 2017, 11:29:33 AM
Quote from: bbmike on September 06, 2017, 11:22:13 AM
I can get you some good intel on this.  O0

You want intel on Mirth?  How about this:  "He's a flight risk"
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: Sir Slash on September 06, 2017, 02:58:03 PM
Does that mean he's a threat if we're flying over him or he's flying over us?  ;D
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: Staggerwing on September 06, 2017, 05:57:31 PM
It means don't sit next to him on an airplane if the flight is long enough for the bar cart to appear.
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: mirth on September 06, 2017, 06:12:03 PM
Quote from: Staggerwing on September 06, 2017, 05:57:31 PM
It means don't sit next to him on an airplane if the flight is long enough for the bar cart to appear.

This
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: Boggit on September 06, 2017, 07:29:23 PM
Quote from: Staggerwing on September 06, 2017, 05:57:31 PM
It means don't sit next to him on an airplane if the flight is long enough for the bar cart to appear.
Well the vodka's gone...??? ::)
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: bayonetbrant on September 06, 2017, 08:24:36 PM
Quote from: Sir Slash on September 06, 2017, 02:58:03 PM
Does that mean he's a threat if we're flying over him or he's flying over us?  ;D

it was intended as a riff on his time as the aviation officer  ::)
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: mirth on September 06, 2017, 08:31:48 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on September 06, 2017, 08:24:36 PM
Quote from: Sir Slash on September 06, 2017, 02:58:03 PM
Does that mean he's a threat if we're flying over him or he's flying over us?  ;D

it was intended as a riff on his time as the aviation officer  ::)

A job I handled brilliantly
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: Sir Slash on September 06, 2017, 10:07:22 PM
Weren't you the guy that shot-down Bob's Flying Moustache?
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: mirth on September 06, 2017, 10:15:22 PM
Quote from: Sir Slash on September 06, 2017, 10:07:22 PM
Weren't you the guy that shot-down Bob's Flying Moustache?

Not an easy feat. The Stache is wily.
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: JasonPratt on September 07, 2017, 11:48:00 AM
"And then I'm going to come back here and drink a mug of vodka like it's Chiggy Von Stachetoffen's blood." -- mirth, giving heart to the newbies when they need a big win.
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: Staggerwing on September 07, 2017, 06:48:19 PM
"Chiggy Von Stachetoffen"... Huh- someone else besides me actually remembers Space: Above and Beyond?
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: mirth on September 07, 2017, 06:59:33 PM
Kristen Cloke was super hot.
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: Uberhaus on September 11, 2017, 08:12:42 AM
BBC:  Russian military exercise in Belarus raises tension http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41185915 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41185915)

with link to "a fascinating piece" at War on the Rocks https://warontherocks.com/2017/08/what-to-expect-when-youre-expecting-zapad-2017/ (https://warontherocks.com/2017/08/what-to-expect-when-youre-expecting-zapad-2017/)

Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: mirth on September 11, 2017, 08:21:53 AM
The War on the Rocks article is quite good.  O0
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: bayonetbrant on September 12, 2017, 07:22:28 PM
If you're interested in keeping an eye on the current Russian/Belorussian exercises (includes some ORBAT info)
https://medium.com/dfrlab/zapadwatch-field-guide-b864cac35dd2
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: bayonetbrant on September 15, 2017, 08:13:06 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/world/europe/russia-baltics-belarus.html?_r=0

QuoteThe three fake countries at the center of the Zapad-2017 drills, however, have taken on a virtual life of their own online. While it is not clear who is behind it, a clearly pro-Western satirical Twitter account issues regular announcements in the name of the Veishnoriya Ministry of Foreign Affairs and displays pictures of the fake country's passport, flag, national currency and other national symbols, all of them invented.

"We are deeply concerned about the concentration of Belarusian military equipment at the borders of Veishnoriya," reads one message posted by the nonexistent nation's Foreign Ministry. Others include a call for volunteers from "brotherly countries" to repel an invasion from the east and warnings that Veishnoriyans are "warlike beasts" who will not surrender.

Veishnoriya also has a lively account on Vkontakte, the Russian equivalent of Facebook, with posts of beautiful Veishnoriyan women and natives in what is said to be traditional Veishnoriyan clothing. It also has fierce supporters on Facebook, where one fan provided a tongue-in-cheek "historical note" about the nonexistent country's martial spirit: "Throughout its history, Veishnoriya hasn't lost a single war."
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: Barthheart on September 15, 2017, 08:14:29 AM
 O0
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: Gusington on September 15, 2017, 08:15:52 AM
Heh 'warlike beasts'
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: Crossroads on September 15, 2017, 11:09:31 PM
Quote from: Uberhaus on September 11, 2017, 08:12:42 AM
BBC:  Russian military exercise in Belarus raises tension http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41185915 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41185915)

with link to "a fascinating piece" at War on the Rocks https://warontherocks.com/2017/08/what-to-expect-when-youre-expecting-zapad-2017/ (https://warontherocks.com/2017/08/what-to-expect-when-youre-expecting-zapad-2017/)

Thanks for the link! I tend to follow WotR articles, but had missed that one, probably after having grown weary after all the er.. sensational articles about it. Maybe that's what the Beeb comment is about as well? It is indeed fascinating to find a well thought well written article nowadays.

Having said that; Go Veishnoriya! Never Surrender!  :arr:
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: mirth on September 19, 2017, 01:40:09 PM
Yikes

https://theaviationist.com/?p=43706

Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: bayonetbrant on September 19, 2017, 01:43:40 PM
some more here, too
https://www.funker530.com/video-russian-helicopter-accidentally/
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: Gusington on September 19, 2017, 01:44:38 PM
The real Rocket Man!
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: mirth on September 19, 2017, 01:48:40 PM
Putin on the hits!
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: mirth on September 19, 2017, 01:53:59 PM
Another article

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/14468/watch-this-russian-ka-52-attack-chopper-accidentally-fire-rockets-at-exercise-observers
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: Gusington on September 19, 2017, 02:01:37 PM
Haha +1 for Putin on the Hits hahaha
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: mirth on September 19, 2017, 02:08:56 PM
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: mirth on September 19, 2017, 02:18:13 PM
In Soviet Russia, Zapad exercises you!
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: Gusington on September 19, 2017, 02:34:52 PM
Hahaha you slay me  :2funny:
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: Crossroads on September 21, 2017, 12:24:14 AM
Quote from: mirth on September 19, 2017, 01:53:59 PM
Another article

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/14468/watch-this-russian-ka-52-attack-chopper-accidentally-fire-rockets-at-exercise-observers

In another incident, General Serdyukov, head of VDV and architect of annexation of Crimea, has died in a traffic accident when moving between sites.
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: ComradeP on September 21, 2017, 01:54:18 AM
QuoteIn another incident, General Serdyukov, head of VDV and architect of annexation of Crimea, has died in a traffic accident when moving between sites.

Source?

I can only find mentions of him breaking his spine and being severely injured. He probably won't be going anywhere soon, but he isn't dead according to those reports.
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: Crossroads on September 21, 2017, 08:50:40 AM
Quote from: ComradeP on September 21, 2017, 01:54:18 AM
QuoteIn another incident, General Serdyukov, head of VDV and architect of annexation of Crimea, has died in a traffic accident when moving between sites.

Source?

I can only find mentions of him breaking his spine and being severely injured. He probably won't be going anywhere soon, but he isn't dead according to those reports.


I know there's been conflicting news, including official sites, but I've gone with Lennutrajektoor here:

https://twitter.com/lennutrajektoor/status/910461356440260610

He's pretty reliable normally. Could be of course he's gone with the scoop too early here.

Let us see how this develops.
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: mirth on September 27, 2017, 03:05:00 PM
https://twitter.com/TheAviationist/status/913130526931869696
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: mirth on September 27, 2017, 03:06:54 PM
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: Gusington on September 27, 2017, 04:34:03 PM
In Soviet Russia you are your own worst enemy!
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: Staggerwing on September 27, 2017, 05:34:12 PM
In Soviet Russia runway overshoots you!
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: Sir Slash on September 27, 2017, 06:36:07 PM
Ha! Looks like that one,'Backfired' on them.
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: mirth on September 27, 2017, 06:48:28 PM
^well played  O0
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: bbmike on September 27, 2017, 07:02:31 PM
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aarcentral.com%2Fpics%2Frvp.gif&hash=527aa5c8ed0dd05a95a5f232458d4e6c68969a26)
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: Gusington on September 27, 2017, 07:34:30 PM
^That should be your avatar.
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: GDS_Starfury on September 27, 2017, 08:02:10 PM
thats not going to buff out...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJxhs4FW4AUe23B.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: Sir Slash on September 27, 2017, 10:05:55 PM
I think I know a couple of Russian pilots that are going to be flying a Border Post in Siberia from now on.  :hide:
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: ComradeP on September 28, 2017, 01:07:37 AM
Accidents happen, and this wasn't very serious for the pilots.

Cold War accidents tended to be more costly, with Starfighters falling out of the sky like bricks for example.

Overshooting the runway is nowhere near as bad as those accidents during the Cold War, or even nowadays like the KC-130T crash in Mississippi in July.

Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: GDS_Starfury on September 28, 2017, 10:47:09 AM
From the extended clip it looks like they couldnt take off.
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: Airborne Rifles on September 28, 2017, 10:59:23 AM
Quote from: ComradeP on September 28, 2017, 01:07:37 AM
Accidents happen, and this wasn't very serious for the pilots.

Cold War accidents tended to be more costly, with Starfighters falling out of the sky like bricks for example.

Overshooting the runway is nowhere near as bad as those accidents during the Cold War, or even nowadays like the KC-130T crash in Mississippi in July.

Fair point.
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: Sir Slash on September 28, 2017, 01:44:13 PM
Used to be in Soviet Russia, KGB overshoots you if you overshoots runway. No more! Today you just get added to Anthony Weiner's 'Friends' list is all. Which is worse?  :-\
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: Crossroads on September 29, 2017, 12:34:53 AM
Was that a second Backfire already, or third?
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: mirth on October 16, 2017, 10:12:13 PM
This is interesting. Not so much the capability, but that they'd reveal it in an exercise

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/15194/russia-jammed-phones-and-gps-in-northern-europe-during-massive-military-drills

If anyone doubted we're back in the Cold War...
Title: Re: Zapad 2017
Post by: GDS_Starfury on October 17, 2017, 12:56:03 AM
according to p*****b, Russians jam a lot of things.