Does anyone have any good pointers on an inexpensive counter clipper?
I have an Amazon Prime membership trial that's going to expire in about a week and I'm tired of clipping counters with an exacto knife.
I've seen some very inexpensive corner cutters, but am wondering if I wouldn't be better off with something that holds the counter snuggly.
I'm also wondering if all counter cutters work on oversize counters (e.g. large pike formations).
Don't do it.
>:(
Invest in an Oregon Lamination trimmer - https://www.amazon.com/Radius-Deluxe-Corner-Rounder-Cutter/dp/B00G08PEXO/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1508517623&sr=8-1-fkmr1&keywords=oregon+laminations+2mm+deluxe+corner+rounder (https://www.amazon.com/Radius-Deluxe-Corner-Rounder-Cutter/dp/B00G08PEXO/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1508517623&sr=8-1-fkmr1&keywords=oregon+laminations+2mm+deluxe+corner+rounder)
If you're not looking to spend that much money, just buy a good set of nail clippers and use those for counter trimming. You won't get the uniform cuts you do with the Oregon Lamination trimmer, but clippers have to be easier than an exacto knife.
I love my OL trimmer and could never go back to clippers now.
Quote from: Barthheart on October 20, 2017, 11:39:18 AM
Don't do it.
>:(
Ignore this guy. He's an angry hippie from Canuckistan.
Naive question.
What's the difference between 2.5 mm, 3 mm, and 5 mm radius corner rounder besides the price ?
Does 2.5 mm produce a sharper corner than 5 mm?
Can all three sizes work on a counter (I'm assuming the answer is yes), and is the difference between the radii that 2.5 gives a sharp 90 degree angle on the corner, 3 mm gives a slight rounding, and 5 mm gives a very rounded corner?
Quote from: Philippe on October 20, 2017, 12:14:05 PM
Naive question.
What's the difference between 2.5 mm, 3 mm, and 5 mm radius corner rounder besides the price ?
Does 2.5 mm produce a sharper corner than 5 mm?
Can all three sizes work on a counter (I'm assuming the answer is yes), and is the difference between the radii that 2.5 gives a sharp 90 degree angle on the corner, 3 mm gives a slight rounding, and 5 mm gives a very rounded corner?
It's the radius of the cut. None if them will give a sharp 90 degree cut. These trimmers give a nice rounded corner, the only difference is the amount of the counter that is trimmed off. I have the 2.5mm model and it works fine for my needs. For larger counters, you might want the 3mm trimmer.
I have pics somewhere of some of my trimmed counters. I'll see what I can find for you.
We also have a long running thread about the merits of trimming here - http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=17767.0
Here are a couple pics (Barth's brain will probably explode)
(https://i.imgur.com/0rHIK6F.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tmEcTYp.jpg)
^Nice looking counters. O0
Thanks!
Quote from: mirth on October 20, 2017, 11:45:56 AM
Quote from: Barthheart on October 20, 2017, 11:39:18 AM
Don't do it.
>:(
Ignore this guy. He's an angry hippie from Canuckistan.
not only that, but he
loves the pre-rounded counters that everyone's shipping with these days! :)
Quote from: bayonetbrant on October 20, 2017, 12:56:01 PM
Quote from: mirth on October 20, 2017, 11:45:56 AM
Quote from: Barthheart on October 20, 2017, 11:39:18 AM
Don't do it.
>:(
Ignore this guy. He's an angry hippie from Canuckistan.
not only that, but he loves the pre-rounded counters that everyone's shipping with these days! :)
He is strange.
Quote from: mirth on October 20, 2017, 12:37:44 PM
Here are a couple pics (Barth's brain will probably explode)
(https://i.imgur.com/0rHIK6F.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tmEcTYp.jpg)
I have the Oregon Lamination deluxe 2mm clipper and am very happy with it. It's $50 on Amazon.
Quote from: trailrunner on October 20, 2017, 01:57:57 PM
I have the Oregon Lamination deluxe 2mm clipper and am very happy with it. It's $50 on Amazon.
That's what I paid for the 2.5mm. Well worth the cost, imo.
^+1
Quote from: mirth on October 20, 2017, 02:08:16 PM
Quote from: trailrunner on October 20, 2017, 01:57:57 PM
I have the Oregon Lamination deluxe 2mm clipper and am very happy with it. It's $50 on Amazon.
That's what I paid for the 2.5mm. Well worth the cost, imo.
Quote from: bbmike on October 20, 2017, 02:10:21 PM
^+1
^+2
The difference between the deluxe and the regular model seems to be about $15+ dollars.
Does that wide metal surface help make things easier when clipping 500+ counters? I can imagine my hand getting a bit shaky after a few hundred punches.
Apart from that, I'm still not sure if the way to go is 2mm, 2.5mm, or 3mm. The 5mm radius is probably too rounded. The larger pike formation counters that I was worrying over are about the size of the airplane counters.
Quote from: Philippe on October 20, 2017, 02:16:05 PM
The difference between the deluxe and the regular model seems to be about $15+ dollars.
Does that wide metal surface help make things easier when clipping 500+ counters? I can imagine my hand getting a bit shaky after a few hundred punches.
I kept hearing that it
does make a difference - the way the "deluxe" model makes it easier to align cardboard counters quickly so you don't actually over-cut them while speeding along.
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Apart from that, I'm still not sure if the way to go is 2mm, 2.5mm, or 3mm. The 5mm radius is probably too rounded. The larger pike formation counters that I was worrying over are about the size of the airplane counters.
Go with either 2mm or 2.5mm.
I have a 2.5mm. Works great on all sizes. I may have preferred the 2mm, but they were out of new ones at the time I was ready to purchase. Still quite happy; there's not much difference between those two sizes. Although I have to occasionally spray some lube into the metal guides in the clipper, else it will get squeaky due to the metal-on-metal action.
I really like the deluxe model. It is very easy to align the counters and make the cuts.
Nef is right about the size. 2.5 is probaly the way to go. Do not go bigger than 3mm.
Quote from: Philippe on October 20, 2017, 02:16:05 PM
The difference between the deluxe and the regular model seems to be about $15+ dollars.
Does that wide metal surface help make things easier when clipping 500+ counters?
YES.Get the deluxe. It's better even at the first counter you clip.
I have the deluxe one at home; somebody decided to change the order at work and got me a regular one there -- so I have direct hands-on experience with both.
It is *really easy* to put counters into the regular one wrong, and shave of a significant part of the side of the counter. I have not had this problem with the Deluxe.
Get the Deluxe. You'll regret the regular.
^this man is a professional ;)
Quote from: mirth on October 20, 2017, 07:01:12 PM
^this man is a professional ;)
And he puts up with no nonsense from his Intel guys. :buck2:
Quote from: bbmike on October 20, 2017, 07:36:13 PM
Quote from: mirth on October 20, 2017, 07:01:12 PM
^this man is a professional ;)
And he puts up with no nonsense from his Intel guys. :buck2:
Or actual intel
Quote from: mirth on October 20, 2017, 02:51:16 PM
I really like the deluxe model. It is very easy to align the counters and make the cuts.
Nef is right about the size. 2.5 is probaly the way to go. Do not go bigger than 3mm.
Another happy Oregon Deluxe user here. Mine's a 2.0mm one. Go for them, 2.5 is a good one too if you want them corners with a tad larger radius.
Either one, you won't regret O0
Here's a pic of my PB Hill of Death counters, they come in two sizes, 5/8" and 1/2", both at display here. (objective markers are from one of my magazine games don't recall which one.)
^beautiful :bd:
Somewhere in Canada, Barth is curled up in a fetal position. His wife keeps trying to get him to drink his beer, but he just cannot dislodge his thumb from his mouth, due to the horror that he is reading here.
Quote from: OJsDad on October 21, 2017, 08:54:55 AM
Somewhere in Canada, Barth is curled up in a fetal position. His wife keeps trying to get him to drink his beer, but he just cannot dislodge his thumb from his mouth, due to the horror that he is reading here.
I am against Unethical treatment of square corners as well.
Under the UN resolution, that translates to i) Leaving them untidy, as in fresh out from counter sheets; and/or; ii) Cutting them with anything but Oregon Lam clippers.
O:-)
I have a 3mm corner cutter that I'm quite happy with. It's the same brand as what all the RIGHT-minded people in this thread have been talking about. :)
I got mine for $27 last year so I must have caught it on sale.
Saw this on FB and thought of you guys ;D
(https://i.imgur.com/wjk18XX.jpg)
^hahahaha!
Barth, why are you oppossed to counter clipping
Mainly because I think it's a waste of time.... and a bizarre obsession with some people.
I've never felt the need to corner clip, although I do admit to trimming the worst of fuzzy corners... but still leaving the counter square.
I also would never buy a game from someone who has "clipped" the counters. You never know what yer gonna get.... see middle portrait in above picture....
Quote from: Barthheart on October 30, 2017, 06:13:46 PM
Mainly because I think it's a waste of time.... and a bizarre obsession with some people.
DINGDINGDING! We have a winner. I just have better things to do with my time.
Quote from: Arctic Blast on October 30, 2017, 09:37:31 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on October 30, 2017, 06:13:46 PM
Mainly because I think it's a waste of time.... and a bizarre obsession with some people.
DINGDINGDING! We have a winner. I just have better things to do with my time.
Like trying to straighten out your counters and figure out what hexes they belong in after their sloppy corners have caught on each other and dragged them out of place? ???
Quote from: Richie61 on October 30, 2017, 04:04:50 PM
Saw this on FB and thought of you guys ;D
(https://i.imgur.com/wjk18XX.jpg)
Spot on! You should always tidy up your chits with OregonLam clippers. It is known.
Quote from: Barthheart on October 30, 2017, 06:13:46 PM
Mainly because I think it's a waste of time.... and a bizarre obsession with some people.
I've never felt the need to corner clip, although I do admit to trimming the worst of fuzzy corners... but still leaving the counter square.
I also would never buy a game from someone who has "clipped" the counters. You never know what yer gonna get.... see middle portrait in above picture....
Given the games I've bought, I see corner clipping as a necessity. I wouldn't clip the counters on a game where there were no fuzzy edges...but apart from Conflict of Heroes, any counters I have had have required tidying up - and so for the sake of uniformity, I would clip them all rather than just cut off the fuzzy edges.
Says "I have better things to do with my time"
-spends all day Sundays laying on the sofa drinking beer and watching sports on TV.
:)
Quote from: Ubercat on October 30, 2017, 10:09:04 PM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on October 30, 2017, 09:37:31 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on October 30, 2017, 06:13:46 PM
Mainly because I think it's a waste of time.... and a bizarre obsession with some people.
DINGDINGDING! We have a winner. I just have better things to do with my time.
Like trying to straighten out your counters and figure out what hexes they belong in after their sloppy corners have caught on each other and dragged them out of place? ???
Seriously, how clumsy are you people?!
Quote from: Arctic Blast on November 01, 2017, 10:27:44 PM
Quote from: Ubercat on October 30, 2017, 10:09:04 PM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on October 30, 2017, 09:37:31 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on October 30, 2017, 06:13:46 PM
Mainly because I think it's a waste of time.... and a bizarre obsession with some people.
DINGDINGDING! We have a winner. I just have better things to do with my time.
Like trying to straighten out your counters and figure out what hexes they belong in after their sloppy corners have caught on each other and dragged them out of place? ???
Seriously, how clumsy are you people?!
+100 O0
Quote from: Arctic Blast on November 01, 2017, 10:27:44 PM
Quote from: Ubercat on October 30, 2017, 10:09:04 PM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on October 30, 2017, 09:37:31 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on October 30, 2017, 06:13:46 PM
Mainly because I think it's a waste of time.... and a bizarre obsession with some people.
DINGDINGDING! We have a winner. I just have better things to do with my time.
Like trying to straighten out your counters and figure out what hexes they belong in after their sloppy corners have caught on each other and dragged them out of place? ???
Seriously, how clumsy are you people?!
Seriously, do you play wargames with counters?!
I like when a game comes with counters that are already rounded. That helps mitigate the crap that forms on the corners. A Wing And A Prayer's counters are all slightly rounded so I have no reason to take my 3mm to it. :)
You and your big 3mm
It's a little much for small counters.
Yeah, you did mention that. I've been happy with the 2.5mm rounder, but I'm thinking about picking up a 2 and a 3 just to round out my tool kit.
Actually it's not bad. I clipped my NATO: Next War in Europe counters...several of them had nibs on the corners. Though it never bothered me until I came among you heathens and you converted me.
Soon we shall convert Barthheart.
Soon.
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dumpaday.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F05%2Fcat-soon-meme.jpg&hash=fef702d0f2850b146799071846ce057d335182b4)
NEVER! :nerd:
Come on Barth! Most likely you were clipped at birth anyway!
And he's never gotten over it.
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2017, 05:29:43 AM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on November 01, 2017, 10:27:44 PM
Quote from: Ubercat on October 30, 2017, 10:09:04 PM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on October 30, 2017, 09:37:31 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on October 30, 2017, 06:13:46 PM
Mainly because I think it's a waste of time.... and a bizarre obsession with some people.
DINGDINGDING! We have a winner. I just have better things to do with my time.
Like trying to straighten out your counters and figure out what hexes they belong in after their sloppy corners have caught on each other and dragged them out of place? ???
Seriously, how clumsy are you people?!
Seriously, do you play wargames with counters?!
Apparently not many. I've never seen, in person or in pictures, a counter heavy monster wargame setup that didn't look like someone should take a half hour and straighten out all the crooked misplaced counters. Trimmed counters seem to alleviate much of that problem.
Barth should get a clipper from his Secret Santa. ;D
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2017, 05:29:43 AM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on November 01, 2017, 10:27:44 PM
Quote from: Ubercat on October 30, 2017, 10:09:04 PM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on October 30, 2017, 09:37:31 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on October 30, 2017, 06:13:46 PM
Mainly because I think it's a waste of time.... and a bizarre obsession with some people.
DINGDINGDING! We have a winner. I just have better things to do with my time.
Like trying to straighten out your counters and figure out what hexes they belong in after their sloppy corners have caught on each other and dragged them out of place? ???
Seriously, how clumsy are you people?!
Seriously, do you play wargames with counters?!
Yep. And I have never had problems with counters scattering everywhere, even after several drinks.
I think the lot of you need to get your eyes checked or something.
Quote from: Arctic Blast on November 02, 2017, 10:35:35 PM
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2017, 05:29:43 AM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on November 01, 2017, 10:27:44 PM
Quote from: Ubercat on October 30, 2017, 10:09:04 PM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on October 30, 2017, 09:37:31 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on October 30, 2017, 06:13:46 PM
Mainly because I think it's a waste of time.... and a bizarre obsession with some people.
DINGDINGDING! We have a winner. I just have better things to do with my time.
Like trying to straighten out your counters and figure out what hexes they belong in after their sloppy corners have caught on each other and dragged them out of place? ???
Seriously, how clumsy are you people?!
Seriously, do you play wargames with counters?!
Yep. And I have never had problems with counters scattering everywhere, even after several drinks.
I think the lot of you need to get your eyes checked or something.
Playing with unclipped counters is like having unsafe sex. I mean, you can do it, but you really should not :)
Quote from: Arctic Blast on November 02, 2017, 10:35:35 PM
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2017, 05:29:43 AM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on November 01, 2017, 10:27:44 PM
Quote from: Ubercat on October 30, 2017, 10:09:04 PM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on October 30, 2017, 09:37:31 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on October 30, 2017, 06:13:46 PM
Mainly because I think it's a waste of time.... and a bizarre obsession with some people.
DINGDINGDING! We have a winner. I just have better things to do with my time.
Like trying to straighten out your counters and figure out what hexes they belong in after their sloppy corners have caught on each other and dragged them out of place? ???
Seriously, how clumsy are you people?!
Seriously, do you play wargames with counters?!
Yep. And I have never had problems with counters scattering everywhere, even after several drinks.
I think the lot of you need to get your eyes checked or something.
Nah, I'll just continue trimming the counters.
I wish there was also something that would punch out countersheets for you.
Now that the corner trimmer has made that part easier and more uniform, the counter punching and sorting is now the more annoying part. Especially if they're not cut too closely.
Quote from: Nefaro on November 03, 2017, 10:39:09 AM
I wish there was also something that would punch out countersheets for you.
Children
Quote from: mirth on November 03, 2017, 10:41:02 AM
Quote from: Nefaro on November 03, 2017, 10:39:09 AM
I wish there was also something that would punch out countersheets for you.
Children
Note to self: buy sweatshop.
Actually I'd panic the whole time, worried something would get torn. Almost had a seizure when I accidentally started tearing some of the printed paper on the shitty-cut RAF counters a few years ago.
Prefectionist! :))
I bought my first non PC game in decades yesterday. I looked, but didn't see any counter clippers there.
Quote from: Nefaro on November 03, 2017, 10:42:50 AM
Actually I'd panic the whole time, worried something would get torn. Almost had a seizure when I accidentally started tearing some of the printed paper on the shitty-cut RAF counters a few years ago.
I'm the same way. I hate it when they start to tear. It's like a tear in my soul (or would be if I had a soul).
Quote from: OJsDad on November 03, 2017, 10:46:04 AM
I bought my first non PC game in decades yesterday. I looked, but didn't see any counter clippers there.
Don't do it man... that way lies madness.... get a good rotary cutter and steel ruler. Nice square corners.
Rotary cutters are pretty nice. Barth's advice turned me on to a 45mm Fiskars rotary cutter that does very well for me.
O0
I'm still cutting corners where I deem it necessary, though. :)
>:(
I never cut corners when it comes to counter trimming.
I found a Fiskars cutting wheel in container of my grandmothers sewing supplies. Along with the cutter is a large supply of 28 and 45 mm blades. I used the 45 mm blade to cut the counters out for Eastern Front, part of the Der Weltkrieg series. Worked extremely well.
The only downside, was my daughter. She gets home from work, and points out that I had the blade on the wrong side of the handle. Ok, no big deal. She fixed it for me. But instead of handing it back to me, she then proceeds to cut out the chits. Sigh.
Quote from: OJsDad on January 30, 2018, 08:36:19 AM
I found a Fiskars cutting wheel in container of my grandmothers sewing supplies. Along with the cutter is a large supply of 28 and 45 mm blades. I used the 45 mm blade to cut the counters out for Eastern Front, part of the Der Weltkrieg series. Worked extremely well.
The only downside, was my daughter. She gets home from work, and points out that I had the blade on the wrong side of the handle. Ok, no big deal. She fixed it for me. But instead of handing it back to me, she then proceeds to cut out the chits. Sigh.
So glad I don't have a daugher, only sons. They'd never do that! Wheew.
Has anyone ever used the Oregon Laminations clipper on cards? I just received my copy of All Things Zombie Reloaded and the playing cards all have sharp edges, which seems kind of odd to me. (Of all of my LnL games, this one just isn't as nice component-wise as the other games by them)
Quote from: bbmike on March 10, 2018, 09:01:26 AM
Has anyone ever used the Oregon Laminations clipper on cards?
I've used my on card stock. Forget what for, but it worked fine.
Quote from: bbmike on March 10, 2018, 09:01:26 AM
Has anyone ever used the Oregon Laminations clipper on cards? I just received my copy of All Things Zombie Reloaded and the playing cards all have sharp edges, which seems kind of odd to me. (Of all of my LnL games, this one just isn't as nice component-wise as the other games by them)
They'll work just as well on cards, as mirth said.
Well...sorta. It works but these cards aren't the best quality to start with. It was hard to line them up and it scuffed some of the card edges. I may have create my own decks, at least for the encounters.
...the faint sound you can hear in the background is the blood draining from Barth's face.
Probably, but mediocre quality cards with square corners = disaster waiting to happen. 8)
LOL
Well, mine is a 3mm Fiskar cutter, so maybe that makes it easier?
What if you try cutting more than one card at a time and/or maybe even using some extra sacrificial card stock on either side to stiffen and protect the corners?