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Title: The Forgotten Battle. New movie about the Scheldt Estuary
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on September 14, 2021, 11:47:32 PM
Looks like it's a Dutch film.  Here's hoping the Canadians get some love.  Nasty fight in terrible terrain that doesn't get much coverage even in Canada.

Title: Re: The Forgotten Battle. New movie about the Scheldt Estuary
Post by: Pete Dero on September 15, 2021, 03:42:24 AM
Looks like this one was released in 2020.

The Dutch are my neighbors but I never heard of this movie before.  It does have decent ratings on IMDB (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10521092/).
It is a real Dutch film.  Not a bunch of Americans pretending to speak Dutch  ;).

The last two years were terrible times to release movies ...
Title: Re: The Forgotten Battle. New movie about the Scheldt Estuary
Post by: Uberhaus on September 15, 2021, 07:11:11 PM
1944 pattern helmets!
The Dutch love us.
Looks like they'll show the Canadians fighting in the Scheldt as well as Market-Garden.
Title: Re: The Forgotten Battle. New movie about the Scheldt Estuary
Post by: z1812 on September 15, 2021, 09:12:23 PM
Thanks for posting. It looks a good Movie.
Title: Re: The Forgotten Battle. New movie about the Scheldt Estuary
Post by: Destraex on September 15, 2021, 10:06:08 PM
Lets hope its not woke. Its not a pure war movie is it? Would not be surprised if it was not more a story of dutch resistance fighters. Which would be fine, everybody who fought deserves recognition. But I am sure most of us wish their were more war movies and less drama movies about whatever tiny niche they can find these days.
Title: Re: The Forgotten Battle. New movie about the Scheldt Estuary
Post by: Pete Dero on October 15, 2021, 05:50:54 AM
https://www.netflix.com/title/81166791

I just got a mail the movie is released today in Belgium.

But maybe Netflix has regional release dates.
Title: Re: The Forgotten Battle. New movie about the Scheldt Estuary
Post by: Grim.Reaper on October 15, 2021, 08:46:04 AM
Available via NetFlix in USA as well today...
Title: Re: The Forgotten Battle. New movie about the Scheldt Estuary
Post by: ArizonaTank on October 15, 2021, 11:17:57 PM
It's getting top billing on my Netflix feed...
Title: Re: The Forgotten Battle. New movie about the Scheldt Estuary
Post by: Zulu1966 on October 16, 2021, 03:35:21 AM
Seen it. Its ok. Not really about the battle more a composite tale of different people. Has a suitably gritty feel to it - the final battle scene is poor in conveying any sense of scale.

Go into it expecting a band of brothers and you will be disappointed - but as a tale of war it is fine.
Title: Re: The Forgotten Battle. New movie about the Scheldt Estuary
Post by: Pete Dero on October 16, 2021, 04:59:26 AM
Quote from: Zulu1966 on October 16, 2021, 03:35:21 AM
Seen it. Its ok. Not really about the battle more a composite tale of different people. Has a suitably gritty feel to it - the final battle scene is poor in conveying any sense of scale.

Go into it expecting a band of brothers and you will be disappointed - but as a tale of war it is fine.

This movie is made in the Netherlands with a budget of around 14 million euro (the larger part spend on the final battle scene !).

With those budgets we (Belgium & the Netherlands) never can compete with those larger than life action movies, so we tend to focus more on human stories during the war.
Title: Re: The Forgotten Battle. New movie about the Scheldt Estuary
Post by: Zulu1966 on October 16, 2021, 08:22:23 AM
Quote from: Pete Dero on October 16, 2021, 04:59:26 AM
Quote from: Zulu1966 on October 16, 2021, 03:35:21 AM
Seen it. Its ok. Not really about the battle more a composite tale of different people. Has a suitably gritty feel to it - the final battle scene is poor in conveying any sense of scale.

Go into it expecting a band of brothers and you will be disappointed - but as a tale of war it is fine.

This movie is made in the Netherlands with a budget of around 14 million euro (the larger part spend on the final battle scene !).

With those budgets we (Belgium & the Netherlands) never can compete with those larger than life action movies, so we tend to focus more on human stories during the war.

Yes - and I enjoyed it. It was a good film - not bad by any means. I was maybe a bit too unenthusiastic with the "OK" ... Well worth watching in my view.
Title: Re: The Forgotten Battle. New movie about the Scheldt Estuary
Post by: rocketman on October 16, 2021, 09:45:38 AM
Not much about the battle of the Scheldt if you go by the official dates, rather it takes place during Market Garden  :o
I was disappointed. Acting is so and so. It has an authentic period feel which is good. No amphibious landings. No sense of scale of the campaign.

Title: Re: The Forgotten Battle. New movie about the Scheldt Estuary
Post by: Pete Dero on October 16, 2021, 10:54:43 AM
Quote from: rocketman on October 16, 2021, 09:45:38 AM
Not much about the battle of the Scheldt if you go by the official dates, rather it takes place during Market Garden  :o

On September 17, a British and two American airborne divisions, together with a Polish brigade, landed behind the German lines at Eindhoven, Nijmegen and Arnhem. These landings started Operation Market Garden.

On September 21, the Canadian 4th Panzer Division moved north, roughly along the Ghent - Terneuzen line. It had the task of clearing the so-called "Breskens pocket", an area around Breskens that was still in German hands. The Polish 1st Armored Division moved further east to the Belgian-Dutch border for the crucial area north of Antwerp. This is the start of the Battle of the Scheldt.

So the two actually partially coincide.


Title: Re: The Forgotten Battle. New movie about the Scheldt Estuary
Post by: rocketman on October 16, 2021, 11:19:17 AM
Quote from: Pete Dero on October 16, 2021, 10:54:43 AM
Quote from: rocketman on October 16, 2021, 09:45:38 AM
Not much about the battle of the Scheldt if you go by the official dates, rather it takes place during Market Garden  :o

On September 17, a British and two American airborne divisions, together with a Polish brigade, landed behind the German lines at Eindhoven, Nijmegen and Arnhem. These landings started Operation Market Garden.

On September 21, the Canadian 4th Panzer Division moved north, roughly along the Ghent - Terneuzen line. It had the task of clearing the so-called "Breskens pocket", an area around Breskens that was still in German hands. The Polish 1st Armored Division moved further east to the Belgian-Dutch border for the crucial area north of Antwerp. This is the start of the Battle of the Scheldt.

So the two actually partially coincide.



Wikipedia puts it at Oct 2 to Nov 8:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Scheldt
Maybe the start date is fluid, but my expectation of the movie was on the campaign and that the main units would be amphibious landings, commandos and so on and not a glider plane (curiously with only two passangers aside two pilots).
Title: Re: The Forgotten Battle. New movie about the Scheldt Estuary
Post by: Destraex on January 03, 2022, 10:24:49 PM
I did not enjoy this. It was plodding, slow, poorly acted and I ended up fast forwarding to the end. Nothing to see here.
Title: Re: The Forgotten Battle. New movie about the Scheldt Estuary
Post by: Sir Slash on January 03, 2022, 10:28:05 PM
Yeah, I agree it was pretty in places but nothing to get excited about.
Title: Re: The Forgotten Battle. New movie about the Scheldt Estuary
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on January 05, 2022, 06:45:24 PM
Here's a decent Dutch documentary that gives a general overview of the battle.

Title: Re: The Forgotten Battle. New movie about the Scheldt Estuary
Post by: Gusington on January 05, 2022, 07:02:27 PM
I really enjoyed it.
Title: Re: The Forgotten Battle. New movie about the Scheldt Estuary
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on January 05, 2022, 09:35:04 PM
The Netflix show or the documentary?
Title: Re: The Forgotten Battle. New movie about the Scheldt Estuary
Post by: Gusington on January 05, 2022, 09:43:41 PM
On the Netflix.
Title: Re: The Forgotten Battle. New movie about the Scheldt Estuary
Post by: Destraex on January 13, 2022, 05:56:03 AM
Quote from: Gusington on January 05, 2022, 07:02:27 PM
I really enjoyed it.
What did you like about it?
Title: Re: The Forgotten Battle. New movie about the Scheldt Estuary
Post by: Boggit on January 13, 2022, 08:31:39 AM
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on January 05, 2022, 06:45:24 PM
Here's a decent Dutch documentary that gives a general overview of the battle.


Yes it is a good one.  O0

For my part I feel frustrated that the British and Americans did not give the Canadians (and the Poles for that matter) their due for their courage and hard sacrifice in liberating western Holland. That the victory over Antwerp and the Scheldt was celebrated by the British and American top brass, but they did not invite any Canadian representatives when the Canadians had done the lions share of the fighting. This was utterly insulting, as the Canadians largely won this victory and also shed a considerable amount of their blood to liberate the west Netherlands. :-[ >:(

I hope Michael Dorosh will some day get around to doing a Combat Mission campaign given his great knowledge about the Canadian forces of WW2. It would be a great tribute. :peace:
Title: Re: The Forgotten Battle. New movie about the Scheldt Estuary
Post by: Gusington on January 13, 2022, 09:46:29 AM
I didn't think it was plodding, slow or poorly acted at all. I wasn't bored once and enjoyed it the whole way through. I thought the battle scenes were well done and engaging and I was interested in the movie in general, as I didn't know much about the real events.
Title: Re: The Forgotten Battle. New movie about the Scheldt Estuary
Post by: Sir Slash on January 13, 2022, 10:36:57 AM
Somebody years back, it might've been Michael, made a scenario for the bridge-crossing in the movie for the original CMBO. I remember because I got my arse handed to me royally.   :buck2:   Though, I did enjoy it.