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2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Class
« on: November 21, 2017, 04:43:09 AM »
First year nominees

Chris Carpenter
Johnny Damon
Livan Hernandez
Orlando Hudson
Aubrey Huff
Jason Isringhausen
Andruw Jones
Chipper Jones
Carlos Lee
Brad Lidge
Hideki Matsui
Kevin Millwood
Jamie Moyer
Scott Rolen
Johan Santana
Jim Thome
Omar Vizquel
Kerry Wood
Carlos Zambrano



Holdovers

Vladimir Guerrero
Manny Ramirez
Trevor Hoffman
Billy Wagner
Gary Sheffield
Jeff Kent
Mike Mussina
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Curt Schilling
Sammy Sosa
Larry Walker
Edgar Martinez
Fred McGriff



Pick your 10 :)
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Re: 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2017, 04:47:48 AM »
My 10

Chipper Jones
Jim Thome
Vladimir Guerrero
Trevor Hoffman
Gary Sheffield
Jeff Kent
Mike Mussina
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
Edgar Martinez



Last few I cut

Brad Lidge
Omar Vizquel
Johan Santana
Johnny Damon
Livan Hernandez
Jamie Moyer


And even I'm not 100% sold on Lidge, Vizquel, Damon, or Moyer.
I wonder if Vizquel doesn't suffer from playing at the same time as Garciaparra and Rodriguez.
And Lidge pitched a lot of really tough innings, especially those years as a setup guy w/ Houston, that kept him from inflating his stats as much as Hoffman, but he just doesn't 'feel' like a Hall of Fame pitcher the way Mussina & Schilling do.
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Re: 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2017, 03:47:41 PM »
My 10

Chipper Jones
Jim Thome
Vladimir Guerrero
Trevor Hoffman
Gary Sheffield
Jeff Kent
Mike Mussina
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
Edgar Martinez <------  :notworthy: :notworthy:



Last few I cut

Brad Lidge
Omar Vizquel
Johan Santana
Johnny Damon
Livan Hernandez
Jamie Moyer


And even I'm not 100% sold on Lidge, Vizquel, Damon, or Moyer.
I wonder if Vizquel doesn't suffer from playing at the same time as Garciaparra and Rodriguez.
And Lidge pitched a lot of really tough innings, especially those years as a setup guy w/ Houston, that kept him from inflating his stats as much as Hoffman, but he just doesn't 'feel' like a Hall of Fame pitcher the way Mussina & Schilling do.

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Re: 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2017, 05:32:16 PM »
Johnny Damon
*Andruw Jones
Chipper Jones
*Johan Santana
Jim Thome
Vladimir Guerrero
Trevor Hoffman
Billy Wagner
Mike Mussina
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker
Edgar Martinez

The asterisk denotes close, but no cigar.  In Santana's case, not enough time dominating (only 5 years) his peers and Andruw Jones was brilliant in Atlanta, but played 5 years too long at the end (mostly mediocre to poor) and spoiled it.
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Re: 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2017, 09:48:44 PM »
Vladimir Guerrero
Jim Thome
Chipper Jones
Trevor Hoffman
Billy Wagner
Manny Ramirez
Curt Schilling
Mike Mussina
Edgar Martinez
Omar Vizquel/Johnny Damon    -   I keep waffling back and forth between these two.

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Re: 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2017, 06:17:04 AM »
I can't figure out why there isn't more support from the voters for Vlad.  I get that he played too long in Montreal, but he was better in that outfield than Andre Dawson ever was, and handled the instability of that franchise better than anyone could've expected.

The dude hit like a machine, and not just slapping singles around the park.  And he'd hit everything

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Re: 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2017, 11:24:59 AM »
Vladimir Guerrero
Jim Thome
Chipper Jones
Trevor Hoffman
Billy Wagner
Manny Ramirez
Curt Schilling
Mike Mussina
Edgar Martinez
Omar Vizquel/Johnny Damon    -   I keep waffling back and forth between these two.


Good list. I'd probably go with Vizquel over Damon.
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Re: 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2017, 11:30:41 AM »
I just have a hard time supporting Manny b/c of him being caught with PEDs - dude actually got caught and suspended
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Re: 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2017, 11:33:24 AM »
True.
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Re: 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2017, 11:35:54 AM »
That's why I left Clemens, Bonds, Kent, Sheff, Sosa, and Manny off my list
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Re: 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2017, 11:40:16 AM »
For some reason Manny isn't as prominent in my thinking as a roid user. Don't get me wrong, I know he's guilty as hell, but I tend to forget for whatever reason.

I'm glad the roid era guys are being kept out, but I have a feeling they're getting in eventually.
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Re: 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2017, 11:41:26 AM »
When was Kent ever caught / suspected of PEDs? 

I think of him as a fringe candidate anyway (even tho he's in my top 10 of the current available), but I'm curious b/c I don't ever remember him coming up in the discussions
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Re: 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2017, 11:49:38 AM »
Maybe I'm mis-remembering on Kent.  Happens as you get older.
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Re: 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2017, 12:14:08 PM »
The one who really deserves it who has been kept out due to politics is Curt Schilling.  No performance enhancing drugs and outstanding on the field performance.

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Re: 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2017, 12:18:47 PM »
The one who really deserves it who has been kept out due to politics is Curt Schilling.  No performance enhancing drugs and outstanding on the field performance.

100% agree.  Schilling was the ace on 2 different World Series winners, and the #2 guy on 2 others, and almost no one has the same playoff record he does (maybe Andy Petite?)
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