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Re: Matrixgames Warplan Pacific
« Reply #60 on: May 05, 2021, 03:46:46 PM »
I don't have the game, but IIRC you can set the AI to play along historical lines or not. However, the AI is more tailored to play as in real life.
It is better according to the designer to play the Allies, and the Japanese are apparently better optimised as the AI. You can still play the Japanese vs the AI, but don't expect the Allied AI to be as good.
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Re: Matrixgames Warplan Pacific
« Reply #61 on: May 05, 2021, 03:55:50 PM »
I wonder how long the reviewer played the game for.
In my experience it takes a while until the game opens up in ways you didn't see at first, making the strategy experience deeper.
Probably a fair while. I have been working on it since the weekend and it is a hard game to get into. By that I mean understanding what is going on. The mechanics are fairly simple, but you need to understand it to make sensible moves and decisions. It is all about the interrelationships between different factors.

Personally, I like it. I found it extremely frustrating when I tried to jump into a game, and only after reading the manual and doing several test games did it all start coming together. There are a few minor things that I think make little sense in the design, but I hope that the designer will pick these up in a patch. Otherwise, it is a good game that balances out a streamlined approach to a massive campaign and bypasses the extreme micromanagement that War in the Pacific can lead to.

Obviously, there are purists who want the detail of WitP, and WarPlan by design is a compromise. That said, I think it is a very good compromise and with a little more polish on a couple of issues will be even better.
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Re: Matrixgames Warplan Pacific
« Reply #62 on: May 05, 2021, 03:58:32 PM »
I haven't picked this up yet, but I definitely plan to soon. 

I'll always hold up WiTP:AE as the gold standard for a Pacific Theater wargame, but I think I'm liking the idea of abstracting some of the stuff out.  Honestly, logistics is/was such a huge part of the Pacific War but man alive is it tedious to manage in WiTP.  I might really like streamlining it to simple lines of supply like traditional board wargames. 

I haven't been on the Matrix forums but I would imagine this is getting some discussion on the WiTP:AE forum; I'd be curious their thoughts.  They can be a tough crowd.
I suspect that it will hit that sweet spot for you. It is quite an elegant and streamlined game. It does have some very minor issues, but overall I think it is good. O0
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Re: Matrixgames Warplan Pacific
« Reply #63 on: May 05, 2021, 04:08:05 PM »
Okinawa is a very short tutorial campaign/scenario with less than 20  units per side

It is interesting that WPP supports such wide differences in map scale.  Contrast how large Okinawa is in the Okinawa tutorial scenario with the much, much smaller (one hex? two hexes?) Okinawa in the full-war campaign scenarios.

I hope that, without too much difficulty, ordinary users/modders can create new, smaller scenarios like the Okinawa one.  So that WPP can have a long line-up of "battle" scenarios much like Order of Battle has.

Although I don't see any such community-made scenarios for the original WarPlan.  Maybe I missed them.  (An Operation Husky scenario was attempted, but seems to have been abandoned.  Not a good sign.)
A lot of liberties were taken with the Okinawa campaign in terms of scale.

I've played it, and won first time as the Allies, and it leaves out a lot of stuff in the main campaign game. It's an OK scenario which showcases the flexibility of the editor. There isn't an official tutorial, but essentially this is probably the best/nearest thing to one.

The game is really designed more for the larger campaigns where the 50nm per hex, two weeks per turn scale is much better. WarPlan is more geared up to a strategic/grand operational game, rather than for smaller battles.

For sure you can do them, but I suspect there are better games to handle these if you want the detail and flexibility required to depict smaller battles and campaigns.
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Re: Matrixgames Warplan Pacific
« Reply #64 on: May 31, 2021, 04:00:49 PM »
So I'm sitting on my Matrix anniversary coupon for 47% off and debating whether to get both Warplan games. I already have TOAW IV and the Strategic Commandand was wondering if it's almost redundant to get Warplan?
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Re: Matrixgames Warplan Pacific
« Reply #65 on: June 02, 2021, 06:31:53 AM »
I already have TOAW IV and the Strategic Commandand was wondering if it's almost redundant to get Warplan?

I'd say Warplan is the best tabletop-style European WW2 game out there.

It has a classic boardgame feel to it that the others don't and I think it's got the best supply and logistics system I've seen in games of this type so far and it plays very well. Definitely a one-more turn game.

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Re: Matrixgames Warplan Pacific
« Reply #66 on: June 02, 2021, 04:57:35 PM »
I thought WarPlan Europe was way better then Strategic Command.  I've got the Pacific game but haven't opened it up yet.  Strategy Gaming Dojo is doing a tutorial series plus a series of a PBEM game he is playing.  Watch those and see what you think.

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Re: Matrixgames Warplan Pacific
« Reply #67 on: June 02, 2021, 06:04:24 PM »
I thought WarPlan Europe was way better then Strategic Command.  I've got the Pacific game but haven't opened it up yet.  Strategy Gaming Dojo is doing a tutorial series plus a series of a PBEM game he is playing.  Watch those and see what you think.

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Re: Matrixgames Warplan Pacific
« Reply #68 on: June 03, 2021, 02:41:22 PM »
Thanks for the opinions. I might wait for the next Matrix sale and then combine the sale with my coupon and get both games.
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Re: Matrixgames Warplan Pacific
« Reply #69 on: June 03, 2021, 03:10:39 PM »
Thanks for the opinions. I might wait for the next Matrix sale and then combine the sale with my coupon and get both games.

Not sure when the next MG sale is, so just an fyi: Matrixgames anniversary coupons expire after 30 days.
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Re: Matrixgames Warplan Pacific
« Reply #70 on: June 03, 2021, 03:24:48 PM »
When I add the coupon to my cart for the Matrix store, it happily accepts it and gives me the discount. I got the coupon months ago.
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Re: Matrixgames Warplan Pacific
« Reply #71 on: June 03, 2021, 04:09:47 PM »
 ???  Well I want your coupon.  My MG anniversary coupons are always only good for 30 days.
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