Matrixgames Warplan Pacific

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steve58

Can someone who has it, post a list/snapshot of any scenarios that come with WPP?  I've seen a list of the campaigns, just wondering if there are any smaller scenarios.  TIA!
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Quote from: steve58 on May 02, 2021, 01:14:52 PM
Can someone who has it, post a list/snapshot of any scenarios that come with WPP?  I've seen a list of the campaigns, just wondering if there are any smaller scenarios.  TIA!

There are five scenarios.

A Pacific '41 campaign
A Pacific '42 campaign
A Solomons Campaign with smaller map and revised scale
A China '37 land campaign (with smaller map)
An Okinawa '45 tutorial campaign
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steve58

So, in this case, campaigns=scenarios?  To me campaigns, are usually bigger, more turns, more units etc.  I was hoping MG would have released WPP with some smaller scenarios (less turns, less units, etc) to cut my teeth on.  I'm trying to keep my wallet closed (for now), but am struggling.  I know there is an editor, so maybe some smaller scenarios will come out soon.
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devoncop

Okinawa is a very short tutorial campaign/scenario with less than 20  units per side

The Solomons is actually a bigger learning scenario  but better balanced  and much more manageable than going straight in to a Grand Campaign in my opinion.


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smittyohio

I'm just hoping that the grand scenarios will allow you to deviate from history and not lose simply because you chose to defeat Japan using a different route.

rocketman

I don't have the game, but IIRC you can set the AI to play along historical lines or not. However, the AI is more tailored to play as in real life.

berto

Quote from: devoncop on May 02, 2021, 03:42:58 PM
Okinawa is a very short tutorial campaign/scenario with less than 20  units per side

It is interesting that WPP supports such wide differences in map scale.  Contrast how large Okinawa is in the Okinawa tutorial scenario with the much, much smaller (one hex? two hexes?) Okinawa in the full-war campaign scenarios.

I hope that, without too much difficulty, ordinary users/modders can create new, smaller scenarios like the Okinawa one.  So that WPP can have a long line-up of "battle" scenarios much like Order of Battle has.

Although I don't see any such community-made scenarios for the original WarPlan.  Maybe I missed them.  (An Operation Husky scenario was attempted, but seems to have been abandoned.  Not a good sign.)
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Ian C

I wonder how long the reviewer played the game for.
In my experience it takes a while until the game opens up in ways you didn't see at first, making the strategy experience deeper.

nobodyjune61944

Quote from: Ian C on May 05, 2021, 09:57:48 AM
I wonder how long the reviewer played the game for.
In my experience it takes a while until the game opens up in ways you didn't see at first, making the strategy experience deeper.

If you read the review you will discover that he played it for a long time.

Toonces

I haven't picked this up yet, but I definitely plan to soon. 

I'll always hold up WiTP:AE as the gold standard for a Pacific Theater wargame, but I think I'm liking the idea of abstracting some of the stuff out.  Honestly, logistics is/was such a huge part of the Pacific War but man alive is it tedious to manage in WiTP.  I might really like streamlining it to simple lines of supply like traditional board wargames. 

I haven't been on the Matrix forums but I would imagine this is getting some discussion on the WiTP:AE forum; I'd be curious their thoughts.  They can be a tough crowd.
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WPP has a very steep learning curve, but once you know what you're doing it is very easy to play. If you understand how it works it is very rewarding and if you don't it is very frustrating.

I do have some very minor gripes about some things that make no sense to me in the game design, but overall it is very elegant and streamlined.

I recommend it if you are interested in the subject, air-land-sea operational warfare, and also have the patience to read the manual before diving into the game.
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