Middle Provincial Era GROGPUBLIC game thread

[JasonPratt]

Letting it run then!

The Militarists, Populists, and Progressives, have potentially 22 votes together against the Proposition.

The Aristocrats, starting things off, have 9 votes in favor. Plutocrats have potentially 12 either way; Aristocrats have potentially 13 either way (because they've got enough total Influence for their 3 knights to each bring x2 votes).

[Ethel the Frog]

I will vote for. 

[JasonPratt]

Then the next Faction voting in favor will seal the Proposal 'for'. All remaining Factions will have to vote 'against' to foil the Proposal.

[IncompetentIdiot]

The Aristocrats vote for.

[JasonPratt]

So that seals the vote. I'll process when I get back from dinner, tonight.

Tripoli will be on spotty internet access from now until Monday, so we'll keep that in mind when waiting for input. (He says he'll still check in on the thread when he can.)

[JasonPratt]

All three senators gain Consular Tribune mark (and Prior Consul mark), and each gains 2 Influence.

Valerius Inf up to 9, which means since he has the highest Influence he becomes the HRAO and the Presiding Magistrate for this Senate; Aristo Inf up to 29. (The Consular Tribunes have no inherent superiority of office among them, unlike Roman and Field Consul.)

Acilius Inf up to 5; Plutocrat Inf up to 20.

Papirius Inf up to 6; Conservative Inf up to 22.

I.I. now controls the PM, so he runs this Turn's Senate going forward.

Consular Tribunes have no special duty in this game -- you don't have to work to create the Ten-and-then-Twelve Tables for example. Any CT can be sent to War in any order, except of course the current President who must resign his post to the next CT downstream (Papirius of the Conservatives, in this case) in order to be sent out before other CTs.


This ends the Mandatory Business for this Senate.

Useless but possible non-Mandatory Business would include passing a Land Bill, which I mention only for the sake of completeness. I.I. could propose stripping Fabius of his PontMax office, I suppose? -- and then assigning a new PontMax (which would then become Mandatory Business)? The two actions would not be simultaneous, unlike the PontMax reassigning a priesthood. Another useless Proposal would be to Disband the 3rd Legion.

Useful Proposals would include possibly Raising the 1st and/or 2nd Legions again; Deploying a Relief Force of one or more Legions to Camilius (this would not require a distinct Leader); Recalling Cam if y'all don't want him commanding that War any longer for some reason; Deploying a Support Force with a Consular Tribune as Leader to create a separate attack on Cam's War; and/or Deploying a Force under a CT to the Aequian War.

[ArizonaTank]

Useful Proposals would include possibly Raising the 1st and/or 2nd Legions again; Deploying a Relief Force of one or more Legions to Camilius (this would not require a distinct Leader); Recalling Cam if y'all don't want him commanding that War any longer for some reason; Deploying a Support Force with a Consular Tribune as Leader to create a separate attack on Cam's War; and/or Deploying a Force under a CT to the Aequian War.

We need to send troops to Cam to kick the war in the teeth and finish it.

[JasonPratt]

That would certainly give the Republic a permanent increase in income and logistic capability, too.

[JasonPratt]

If the event doesn't fire (best case scenario), we have a 95% chance of victory.

If the event does fire (worst case scenario), it essentially takes out one of our dice, so we'd have to get 14+ on 2d6+8, which is still a 72% chance.

And JP, you can get the 'colored die' effect on forum code by rolling 2d6 and then a separate roll of 1d6.

Here is Erax's prior analysis again, from upthread, for convenience. The Event he's talking about is the 50/50 chance of Allies Deserting any fight this Turn. He's assuming the two potential remaining Legions are raised again and sent as a Reinforcement (aka Relief) Force to Camillus, for him to use (not replacing him nor as a follow-up attack under someone else's command).

[IncompetentIdiot]

Valerius first proposes that the Republic raise the last two legions.

Unless somebody has a good reason to replace Camillus, I will be sending him all our legions next.

[JasonPratt]

Since he didn't specify a voting order with the Proposition, I'll assume there is none, opening the floor to any Player to vote at your preferred convenience.

The Aristocrats start with 7 normal, plus 3 knight, plus 3 more (activist x2) knight = 13 votes for.

As a reminder for reference, the Republic currently has 76 Talents in its Treasury, with an expected net income (not counting the Proposed Legions or any Victories) of 30 + 25 - (2x5) upkeep - (10x2) War cost = 25 more Talents next Turn.

Raising these Legions will cost 20 Talents now, 2x2=4 more upkeep Talents ongoing.

If you defeat the War, the Republic will earn another 10 Talents each Turn permanently (new base income = 40).

[Erax]

The Progressives vote in favor of raising two legions.

[JasonPratt]

The Frog sent me a message voting 'for'.

[ArizonaTank]

conservatives, vote "For"

[JasonPratt]

Plutocrats add 9 + 3 knight votes; Conservatives add 8 + 1 knight; Progressives add 3 + 1 knight. So we're up to 13 (Aristocrats) + 25 others = 38.

That's a solid majority (17 votes remaining), so I'll process after work.