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Digital Gaming => Computer Gaming => Topic started by: Grim.Reaper on March 05, 2019, 10:22:02 AM

Title: Warthog flight stick?
Post by: Grim.Reaper on March 05, 2019, 10:22:02 AM
Noticed at Walmart only $196...believe lot cheaper than seen before.  My question is it doesnít come with throttles.  Do you need the warthog throttles or does other less expensive throttles work with it?  It would be hard for me to spend nearly $500 for both of them right now.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Thrustmaster-Hotas-Warthog-Flight-Stick/27537234
Title: Re: Warthog flight stick?
Post by: Grim.Reaper on March 05, 2019, 10:33:27 AM
Guess I should have asked too, is the stick worth $200?  Or better out there?
Title: Re: Warthog flight stick?
Post by: JudgeDredd on March 05, 2019, 11:07:47 AM
I bought the Warthog - it's splendid indeed. I paid £350 for the stick and throttle. Cost me another £100 for a set of pedals for rudder!.

Stick is well worth the money. The difference between that and my X52 Pro is night and day.

As for the throttle, I imagine you can use it with a different throttle because they aren't "connected". Both the stick and the throttle connect to the PC using USB and don't connect to each other like the X52 throttle and stick.
Title: Re: Warthog flight stick?
Post by: Yskonyn on March 05, 2019, 11:58:09 AM
The stick is nice and sturdy. If its worth the upgrade without the throttle is depending on what you have right now.
On the other hand you could see it as the part 1 of the upgrade if you plan on getting the throttle later. :)
In general its been the very best hotas I have ever used and mine is getting old; almost 9 years old now and still going strong.

The only thing I am about to change on the throttle is the mouse nib axis thingy. It was always functional, but very twitchy and a guy under the flag of Delta Sim Electronics (UK based) made an easy to install replacement 4 way switch that I've ordered and just received.
( www.deltasimelectronics.com/pages/install-instructions )
Other than that the HOTAS has been super solid.
Title: Re: Warthog flight stick?
Post by: Jarhead0331 on March 05, 2019, 01:54:22 PM
I just posted about this in the DCS thread. I saw the warthog stock and throttle on the shelf at a local store and bought it on impulse with the cougar MFDs. I thought the x55 rhino I was using was pretty good...until I got the hog. Iíve been seriously fighting the controls and didnít know just how bad I had it until I upgraded. Worth...every...penny.

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51231798_10156602277537702_4576770219233509376_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=a5738de7aace80e26d4f261ab26c48e5&oe=5CBB8FE1)
Title: Re: Warthog flight stick?
Post by: Skoop on March 05, 2019, 02:37:31 PM
I felt the same way going from a saitek to a wharthog.  It was great, but I used it so much my buttons failed and had to be replaced.  When I opened the metal exterior, I was surprised how cheap the parts were.  So I went to a VKB gunfighter with extension.
Title: Re: Warthog flight stick?
Post by: Grim.Reaper on March 05, 2019, 03:50:47 PM
I felt the same way going from a saitek to a wharthog.  It was great, but I used it so much my buttons failed and had to be replaced.  When I opened the metal exterior, I was surprised how cheap the parts where.  So I went to a VKB gunfighter with extension.

Are you saying the warthog was cheap parts or the saitek?
Title: Re: Warthog flight stick?
Post by: Yskonyn on March 06, 2019, 01:28:08 AM
Unfortunately while the grip and base of the Warthog is made of metal parts, the ball joint and armature is made of plastic.
Some people believe this should never have been allowed considering the price.
Thereís also a big thing on the internet about Ďstrictioní of the stick which is identified to being a result of the joint being plastic and lubrication being sub par, at least by the crowd concerned about stiction.

Iíve never experienced any on my stick though.
Iíve also never had a button fail on me in 9 years.
Perhaps the initial batches were less cheaply made or the issues are magnified by a disgruntled crowd, I donít know.

What I do know is that VirPil and VKB make top notch peripherals as well, but they are a little more expensive especially if you take shipping into consideration.

The Warthog HOTAS is the most solid commonly found piece of kit, trust us. :)
Title: Re: Warthog flight stick?
Post by: jamus34 on December 03, 2020, 05:05:57 AM
<<Thread Resurrectus>>

So I recently picked up Elite and SW Squadrons (plus having various iterations of the X series games) and finally looking to throw down coin on a stick / HOTAS setup. I have mostly space games but not adverse to dipping the toe into DCS.

Right now I'm looking at the VKB / Virpil sticks as I'm firmly in the mindset of buy once / cry once since the last stick I had, a Logitec. failed fairly young in it's life when the twist / rudder function would not hold calibration. I like the Warthog but at that price level the quality issues I've heard / read about are somewhat concerning.

My question is, since I'm coming from having no gear should I pick up the VKB Gladiator and use that for a while since it has some added functionality beyond a standard stick or go whole hog and get a Gunfighter MkIII or a Virpil WarBRD / Constellation setup stick and just use keyboard and mouse when needed until I can expand my hardware.

Just wondering if anyone has used the VKB / Virpil gear and can say that the setup up in quality is worth it.


Title: Re: Warthog flight stick?
Post by: Yskonyn on December 03, 2020, 06:37:07 AM
I use the WarBRD base with the Warthog stick. Its build quality is great, but the feeling is quite different than that of Ďball jointí sticks.
The cams and spring config (which is variable) offers a somewhat personalized curve and tension setting, but it will always feel different than balljoint joysticks. It takes getting used to.
You can also get a set of CAMs for the WarBRD specifically for space sims (linear tension in all ranges)

One thing to consider is that Virpil and VKB make quality stuff, but its enthousiast high end grade at a premium price.

For a more casual gamer I would rather recommend something like the X52 Pro (fully featured hotas with loads op buttons) or one of the lower grade TM hotas offerings (non Warthog).
Both come with twist sticks, but I know for sure the X52 can be locked.
My X52 has lasted me a long long time.

Rudder twist in general is bad. Iíd avoid it if you want to fly accurately. The fact is that the motion in your wrist is limited anatomically and combining stick movement with wrist twist is hard and frankly unhealthy in the long run. Besides the podmeters in the twist range are awfully inaccurate on every stick Iíve tried.
Title: Re: Warthog flight stick?
Post by: jamus34 on December 03, 2020, 07:10:26 AM
Thanks for the feedback Ysk!

I agree on twist function, one of the reasons I was also looking at sticks that had ability to lock instead of needing an upgrade down the line.

Looks like most of the cheaper HOTAS gear is sold out everywhere, only availability is the secondary market at inflated prices.

I'll wait a bit and see what shakes out but I think right now I'm leaning towards the VKB Gladiator NXT to start with and try to add a throttle / rudder when available.
Title: Re: Warthog flight stick?
Post by: Jarhead0331 on December 03, 2020, 07:12:23 AM
To echo some of what Yskonym said, if you're just a casual simmer, you might find one of the less premium sticks to be not only more practical from an economic standpoint, but also more suitable for most of your needs. Personally, for games that do not require a complex set-up, I actually prefer using my TM T.16000m over the Warthog.

That being said, the vast majority of my flight gaming is DCS and so I use the Warthog a lot. I have absolutely no complaints and since I modified the slew sensor, I find that it's pretty damn near perfect. Now, you do hear some people complaining about the quality of this or that, but I think that is because the Warthog is more prolific than other premium HOTAS, and certainly more so than VKB and Virpil products. I don't think I've ever really seen any seriously negative feedback of VKB and Virpil products, but I also think that's because there aren't as many of them in circulation.

In any event, Warthog, VKB, Virpil, it's all fantastic stuff. It is very subjective as far is which will suit one's needs the best.
Title: Re: Warthog flight stick?
Post by: Pete Dero on December 03, 2020, 07:49:45 AM
To echo some of what Yskonym said, if you're just a casual simmer, you might find one of the less premium sticks to be not only more practical from an economic standpoint, but also more suitable for most of your needs.

I would have also suggested the stick I have (as a rather casual simmer) and that I like a lot : the Thrustmaster T1600m Hotas & Throttle that Jarhead mentioned.
But back then I paid less than $125 and right now I find them listed at $250 (https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960778-Thrustmaster-T16000M-HOTAS/dp/B01KCHPRXA?ref_=ast_sto_dp) or even no longer available ($500 for the full package with the rudder  !!! https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ?ref_=ast_sto_dp)

In that case a Warthog at $450 becomes more appealing.
Title: Re: Warthog flight stick?
Post by: Yskonyn on December 03, 2020, 08:23:22 AM
Prices being equal I would recommend the Warthog hotas without any regrets.
I have one of the first batches and it never has failed on me, ever. The stiction you read about wasnít a problem on my stick either.
If the stiction becomes a problem for you or you want to replace the plastic balljoint with metal cams you can just buy a base that supports the stick later.

The slew mod JH mentions is another great improvement, but not a necessary thing when you start out.

Be aware about the fact that the TM Warthog comes in two configs; stick only and stick plus throttle. It wont be the first time people thought theyíd found and excelllent price only discovering later it was stick only.

Title: Re: Warthog flight stick?
Post by: Father Ted on December 03, 2020, 08:32:54 AM

I would have also suggested the stick I have (as a rather casual simmer) and that I like a lot : the Thrustmaster T1600m Hotas & Throttle that Jarhead mentioned.
But back then I paid less than $125 and right now I find them listed at $250 (https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960778-Thrustmaster-T16000M-HOTAS/dp/B01KCHPRXA?ref_=ast_sto_dp) or even no longer available ($500 for the full package with the rudder  !!! https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ?ref_=ast_sto_dp)


Wow, I didn't realize they were that expensive!  I've had just the stick for years now (bought for £40/$50), and casually recommend it in discussions like this as the best cheap option.
Title: Re: Warthog flight stick?
Post by: Jarhead0331 on December 03, 2020, 08:35:14 AM

I would have also suggested the stick I have (as a rather casual simmer) and that I like a lot : the Thrustmaster T1600m Hotas & Throttle that Jarhead mentioned.
But back then I paid less than $125 and right now I find them listed at $250 (https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960778-Thrustmaster-T16000M-HOTAS/dp/B01KCHPRXA?ref_=ast_sto_dp) or even no longer available ($500 for the full package with the rudder  !!! https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ?ref_=ast_sto_dp)


Wow, I didn't realize they were that expensive!  I've had just the stick for years now (bought for £40/$50), and casually recommend it in discussions like this as the best cheap option.

Apparently, COVID lock-downs have stretched the global supply of toilet paper, paper towels, hand sanitizer and HOTAS systems.
Title: Re: Warthog flight stick?
Post by: Gusington on December 03, 2020, 12:14:21 PM
The classic four staples of the refined gentleman.
Title: Re: Warthog flight stick?
Post by: Father Ted on December 03, 2020, 04:00:18 PM
Well I know which one I'm be panic-buying - it begins with "h" (and doesn't end in "and sanitizer")
Title: Re: Warthog flight stick?
Post by: jamus34 on December 14, 2020, 09:50:35 AM
Wanted to update the group I ended up going with a VKB Gunfighter Space Combat edition (with the Kosmosima grip) and the T-Rudders for now.

I'll get use to this and probably look to pick up the VKB (if they ever release it) or the Virpil throttle to complete the set.

Title: Re: Warthog flight stick?
Post by: Jarhead0331 on December 14, 2020, 10:00:28 AM
Wanted to update the group I ended up going with a VKB Gunfighter Space Combat edition (with the Kosmosima grip) and the T-Rudders for now.

I'll get use to this and probably look to pick up the VKB (if they ever release it) or the Virpil throttle to complete the set.

Nice! Send pics when they arrive!
Title: Re: Warthog flight stick?
Post by: jamus34 on January 05, 2021, 04:24:50 PM
Little late on this, but here is a pic of the Gunfighter (please excuse the messy desk, this thing comes with a ton of optional bells and whistles)
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Post by: Jarhead0331 on January 05, 2021, 04:31:50 PM
^That's hawt.
Title: Re: Warthog flight stick?
Post by: Yskonyn on January 06, 2021, 01:52:11 AM
Congrats! SiŽrra Hotel indeed!