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Title: Guys, there's a War Total Rome game coming! ...uh, Total Rome War. um...
Post by: JasonPratt on March 26, 2021, 03:02:20 PM
Creative Assembly has made some baffling moves before, but releasing a remaster of RTW1 is... ... ...well, it's $15 (on Steam) if you already own the game (until May 31st), and otherwise $30. I can't think of what else to say about it that would be relevant.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/885970/Total_War_ROME_REMASTERED/

In case you're wondering, RTW2Emp is still $60.

Is there some rationale for this? Does this essentially make Emporium Barborium and other early super-mods more playable (perhaps again)? Even if it does, why bother? (Aside from the arguably superior musical score. And flaming war pigs.)
Title: Re: Guys, there's a War Total Rome game coming! ...uh, Total Rome War. um...
Post by: Gusington on March 26, 2021, 03:37:09 PM
Don't forget the Barbarian Invasion expansion, which is epic. And the Alexander expansion, which I've never played.
Title: Re: Guys, there's a War Total Rome game coming! ...uh, Total Rome War. um...
Post by: Father Ted on March 26, 2021, 03:38:01 PM
Aside from the arguably superior musical score. And flaming war pigs.

Just answered your own question there
Title: Re: Guys, there's a War Total Rome game coming! ...uh, Total Rome War. um...
Post by: IICptMillerII on March 26, 2021, 05:48:56 PM
I try to avoid commenting on things I do not like, but, RTW2 is the largest pile of actual fetid crap I ever had the misfortune of buying into. There are few purchases I regret more. And yes, I have tried the newest versions, and yes, I have tried the mods that supposedly "fix" the game. All bunk.

Rome 1 was not perfect, but I loved every second of it 15 years ago when I first played it, and I still love it today. I instantly pre-ordered this remaster and I cannot wait to get my hands on it and play it. I really don't care that I am essentially paying again for a game I already own. In the case of Rome 1, it is more than worth it for me.
Title: Re: Guys, there's a War Total Rome game coming! ...uh, Total Rome War. um...
Post by: Destraex on March 26, 2021, 05:52:55 PM
With the state of the total war franchise at the moment I would consider it! I am on the cusp of pre-ordering it.

It is well known that I hate how the more recent total war titles handle the 3D troop tactical aspect of the game. You don't get to watch your troops fight, you just see black ants at almost any distance and you may as well be playing bean counter flag watcher total war.

I am really hoping that this Rome1 remastered is a test to see if the devs should go back to making Total War games the way they should be made. With the focus on improving battles and a better graphics engine. They should realise that putting a gazillion troops in a battle does not matter if you cannot enjoy watching your troops and becoming attached to them. Get total war out of Ivory Tower mode and put it back down in the dirt with the troops.

Here is a video to highlight some of the features rome1 had that the newer total war games no longer have! Including battlefields generated based on where the armies clash rather than the limited selection in the more modern total war games.
Title: Re: Guys, there's a War Total Rome game coming! ...uh, Total Rome War. um...
Post by: Destraex on March 26, 2021, 06:58:25 PM
I try to avoid commenting on things I do not like, but, RTW2 is the largest pile of actual fetid crap I ever had the misfortune of buying into. There are few purchases I regret more. And yes, I have tried the newest versions, and yes, I have tried the mods that supposedly "fix" the game. All bunk.

Rome 1 was not perfect, but I loved every second of it 15 years ago when I first played it, and I still love it today. I instantly pre-ordered this remaster and I cannot wait to get my hands on it and play it. I really don't care that I am essentially paying again for a game I already own. In the case of Rome 1, it is more than worth it for me.
I imagine my problem is that I am not afraid of commenting when I do not like something. People do not like negativity because their is often a perception that a person is just "hating" on something. I think their is a difference between constructive negative comment and simple negativity towards something that others enjoy.
But I really do like to see what people like as well as do not like here so I know what interests them when I post. If we had likes and dislikes like youtube at least you would know if people who do not post find your comments useful or interesting.
Title: Re: Guys, there's a War Total Rome game coming! ...uh, Total Rome War. um...
Post by: MengJiao on March 26, 2021, 07:36:31 PM
I try to avoid commenting on things I do not like, but, RTW2 is the largest pile of actual fetid crap I ever had the misfortune of buying into. There are few purchases I regret more. And yes, I have tried the newest versions, and yes, I have tried the mods that supposedly "fix" the game. All bunk.

Rome 1 was not perfect, but I loved every second of it 15 years ago when I first played it, and I still love it today. I instantly pre-ordered this remaster and I cannot wait to get my hands on it and play it. I really don't care that I am essentially paying again for a game I already own. In the case of Rome 1, it is more than worth it for me.

   The really wonderful, delightful thing about Rome total war II is how much people have hated it.  It's worth having it get reissued just so I can wonder at the hate all over again.
Title: Re: Guys, there's a War Total Rome game coming! ...uh, Total Rome War. um...
Post by: MengJiao on March 26, 2021, 07:41:57 PM
I try to avoid commenting on things I do not like, but, RTW2 is the largest pile of actual fetid crap I ever had the misfortune of buying into. There are few purchases I regret more. And yes, I have tried the newest versions, and yes, I have tried the mods that supposedly "fix" the game. All bunk.

Rome 1 was not perfect, but I loved every second of it 15 years ago when I first played it, and I still love it today. I instantly pre-ordered this remaster and I cannot wait to get my hands on it and play it. I really don't care that I am essentially paying again for a game I already own. In the case of Rome 1, it is more than worth it for me.
I imagine my problem is that I am not afraid of commenting when I do not like something. People do not like negativity because their is often a perception that a person is just "hating" on something. I think their is a difference between constructive negative comment and simple negativity towards something that others enjoy.
But I really do like to see what people like as well as do not like here so I know what interests them when I post. If we had likes and dislikes like youtube at least you would know if people who do not post find your comments useful or interesting.

   I find all comments useful and interesting and I can hardly wait for the years and years of constructive negativity to be redirected at Rome Total War.
It just makes such perfect target somehow.  And now an even more perfect perfect target being reissued in a baffling manner.

    Let me hasten to add that I probably have had more fun playing Rome Total War II than any other game -- though I can see why it might deserve most of the constructive negativity directed at it.  This weird re-issued is just perfect for being constructively detested.  I'm so happy and satisfied with all the constructive negativity already.
Title: Re: Guys, there's a War Total Rome game coming! ...uh, Total Rome War. um...
Post by: Destraex on March 26, 2021, 07:57:13 PM
Meng. I thank you for your constructive negativity just then  :clap:
Can I ask if you play it for the tactical battles primarily?
Title: Re: Guys, there's a War Total Rome game coming! ...uh, Total Rome War. um...
Post by: Sparhawk on March 26, 2021, 08:32:05 PM
I'm very excited about the changes. Though later releases have their own merits (I particularly enjoy Warhammer II). I believe Rome and Medieval II were the pinnacle of the "Old style of Total War". Medieval I with expansions was exceptional during it's time. Though I feel I would need more than my current reading glasses to see the figures during tactical battles if I were to play now.
 
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Post by: AchillesLastStand on March 27, 2021, 02:07:59 AM
Got RTW at Best Buy the day it came out and never bought the Steam version{which apparently is not available}. Still may dish out 30 for this, all of the improvements look sweet.
Title: Re: Guys, there's a War Total Rome game coming! ...uh, Total Rome War. um...
Post by: MengJiao on March 27, 2021, 06:05:18 AM
Meng. I thank you for your constructive negativity just then  :clap:
Can I ask if you play it for the tactical battles primarily?

   Good question.  For about the last two years I played it, I only played Rise of the Republic and mostly only to photograph tactical battles.  I do recall my favorite battle long ago, when I had a pretty good though small force of armored horsemen and faced a larger army of not-quite-so-armored horse men.  I dismounted my lancers (not called that) in the woods and commanded from the very point of the disposition and managed a win against what seemed like big odds.  I have to say that I've never thought of Rome total War II as a very serious game -- I think it has to be played with a lot of childish glee -- but that's why I like it.  Same for World of Warships and War Thunder.  For serious games, I play boardgames.
Title: Re: Guys, there's a War Total Rome game coming! ...uh, Total Rome War. um...
Post by: Gusington on March 27, 2021, 09:29:20 AM
Achilles the Steam version is available, itís a bundle with Barbarian Invasion and the Alexander expansions.

I actually do not own it on Steam...physical copy only. So I donít qualify for the discount, which kind of annoys me. The really old school fans are kinda getting the shaft here.

Maybe Iím just feeling a bit Abe Simpson today.
Title: Re: Guys, there's a War Total Rome game coming! ...uh, Total Rome War. um...
Post by: solops on March 27, 2021, 11:16:01 AM
I get the impression that a lot of people on the Steam forum are confused about it being Rome 1 being re-skinned, rather than Rome 2.
Title: Re: Guys, there's a War Total Rome game coming! ...uh, Total Rome War. um...
Post by: AchillesLastStand on March 27, 2021, 12:24:07 PM
Achilles the Steam version is available, itís a bundle with Barbarian Invasion and the Alexander expansions.

I actually do not own it on Steam...physical copy only. So I donít qualify for the discount, which kind of annoys me. The really old school fans are kinda getting the shaft here.

Maybe Iím just feeling a bit Abe Simpson today.

Yes, it is on Steam but oddly there is no purchase button.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/4760/Rome_Total_War__Collection/
Title: Re: Guys, there's a War Total Rome game coming! ...uh, Total Rome War. um...
Post by: MengJiao on March 27, 2021, 12:44:46 PM
I get the impression that a lot of people on the Steam forum are confused about it being Rome 1 being re-skinned, rather than Rome 2.

   The more I think about it (constructively) the more twisted (in a constructive way) it seems.  I'm not sure how anyone will be able to construct enough  constructive negativity to encompass such a thing.
Title: Re: Guys, there's a War Total Rome game coming! ...uh, Total Rome War. um...
Post by: Gusington on March 27, 2021, 02:55:19 PM
There is no purchase button! What is going on over there? Are they trying to keep people from purchasing the original to get the discount? Weird.
Title: Re: Guys, there's a War Total Rome game coming! ...uh, Total Rome War. um...
Post by: al_infierno on March 27, 2021, 03:52:02 PM
I get the impression that a lot of people on the Steam forum are confused about it being Rome 1 being re-skinned, rather than Rome 2.

But it is Rome 1 reskinned, isn't it?  It says it includes the Alexander and Barbarian Invasion DLCs, which were expansions for Rome 1.
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Post by: Destraex on March 27, 2021, 04:07:47 PM
There is no purchase button! What is going on over there? Are they trying to keep people from purchasing the original to get the discount? Weird.
The temastered ibcludes an option to play thr original from its main menu so maybe.
Title: Re: Guys, there's a War Total Rome game coming! ...uh, Total Rome War. um...
Post by: solops on March 27, 2021, 04:37:47 PM
There is no purchase button! What is going on over there? Are they trying to keep people from purchasing the original to get the discount? Weird.
The temastered ibcludes an option to play thr original from its main menu so maybe.
Finally! Someone with my typing skills!
Title: Re: Guys, there's a War Total Rome game coming! ...uh, Total Rome War. um...
Post by: solops on March 27, 2021, 04:39:06 PM
I get the impression that a lot of people on the Steam forum are confused about it being Rome 1 being re-skinned, rather than Rome 2.

But it is Rome 1 reskinned, isn't it?  It says it includes the Alexander and Barbarian Invasion DLCs, which were expansions for Rome 1.
yes, it appears to be Rome 1 with Technicolor!
Title: Re: Guys, there's a War Total Rome game coming! ...uh, Total Rome War. um...
Post by: al_infierno on March 27, 2021, 04:43:48 PM
I see, I was reading your post backwards.
Title: Re: Guys, there's a War Total Rome game coming! ...uh, Total Rome War. um...
Post by: Destraex on March 27, 2021, 05:32:41 PM
There is no purchase button! What is going on over there? Are they trying to keep people from purchasing the original to get the discount? Weird.
The temastered ibcludes an option to play thr original from its main menu so maybe.
Finally! Someone with my typing skills!

Sorry mate. You can always tell when I post from my phone. you will note most of the mistyped letters are one to the right or left of the phone keypad  :'(
Title: Re: Guys, there's a War Total Rome game coming! ...uh, Total Rome War. um...
Post by: Destraex on March 27, 2021, 05:35:57 PM
I get the impression that a lot of people on the Steam forum are confused about it being Rome 1 being re-skinned, rather than Rome 2.

But it is Rome 1 reskinned, isn't it?  It says it includes the Alexander and Barbarian Invasion DLCs, which were expansions for Rome 1.

It does have a fair few new little additions like ethnically correct faces for where units were recruited. Some old features are tweaked as well apparently.
There are a lot of previously locked factions available. The camera modes have been changed to be more modern. I hated the more modern total war cameras so hope the old camera is still available. They have added a new spy type - the merchant I think? Diplomacy has been changed as well apparently, they added a reputation system. My point is it's a little more than a reskin, but not a huge amount more.
Title: Re: Guys, there's a War Total Rome game coming! ...uh, Total Rome War. um...
Post by: Destraex on March 27, 2021, 05:37:36 PM
There is no purchase button! What is going on over there? Are they trying to keep people from purchasing the original to get the discount? Weird.
The temastered ibcludes an option to play thr original from its main menu so maybe.

I tell a slight lie. I think if you choose the original without all the changes you still get the better graphics.... you can turn old and new features off and on to get the original game mechanics and that is how you get the original game back. So I guess if you want classic with the old graphics you would have to buy it still.

From the CA faq:
"IS TOTAL WAR: ROME REMASTERED REPLACING THE ORIGINAL ROME: TOTAL WAR?
No Ė you can still play the original ROME: Total War and, if you donít already own it, ROME: Total War is included when you purchase Total War: ROME REMASTERED. If you already own ROME: Total War, it will still be present and playable on Windows in your Steam library."

WHY IS ROME: TOTAL WAR NOW UNAVAILABLE TO PURCHASE ON STEAM?
We decided to remove the ROME: Total War purchase option from Steam to focus on the definitive version: Total War: ROME REMASTERED. The original ROME: Total War will still be in your Steam library, and if you donít own it, it will be become available to you as part of your Total War: ROME REMASTERED purchase.


CONTENT
WHAT NEW FEATURES DOES TOTAL WAR: ROME REMASTERED HAVE?
Good question! You can find a quick rundown below Ė stay tuned for more in-depth information about all of Total War: ROME REMASTEREDís shiny new features.

VISUALS

UHD resolution support
Updated 3D unit models and textures
Widescreen and ultrawide monitor support
Enhanced battlefield environments
Enhanced campaign map
Improved visual effects
FEATURES

Campaign map overlays
Faction summary screen
Unit status displays
Enhanced camera and controls
New quick lists
GAMEPLAY

16 additional playable factions (38 in total)
Cross-platform multiplayer
Steam Workshop mod support
New agent: the merchant
New summary screen: the agent hub
Improved diplomacy
USER INTERFACE

Redesigned UI and tooltips
Optional classic versus remastered rules
Improved sound mix
Added UI scaling
Enhanced iconography
Improved support for colour blindness
HELP SYSTEM

Fully integrated game manual
Enhanced advisor messages
New first-time player advice
Redesigned campaign tutorial

https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-rome-remastered-faq/
Title: Re: Guys, there's a War Total Rome game coming! ...uh, Total Rome War. um...
Post by: Father Ted on March 27, 2021, 06:54:55 PM
Meng. I thank you for your constructive negativity just then  :clap:
Can I ask if you play it for the tactical battles primarily?

   Good question.  For about the last two years I played it, I only played Rise of the Republic and mostly only to photograph tactical battles.  I do recall my favorite battle long ago, when I had a pretty good though small force of armored horsemen and faced a larger army of not-quite-so-armored horse men.  I dismounted my lancers (not called that) in the woods and commanded from the very point of the disposition and managed a win against what seemed like big odds.  I have to say that I've never thought of Rome total War II as a very serious game -- I think it has to be played with a lot of childish glee -- but that's why I like it.  Same for World of Warships and War Thunder.  For serious games, I play boardgames.

The game being re-mastered is Rome Total War, not the sequel, if that alters your view on this news.
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Post by: MengJiao on March 27, 2021, 07:09:02 PM
Meng. I thank you for your constructive negativity just then  :clap:
Can I ask if you play it for the tactical battles primarily?

   Good question.  For about the last two years I played it, I only played Rise of the Republic and mostly only to photograph tactical battles.  I do recall my favorite battle long ago, when I had a pretty good though small force of armored horsemen and faced a larger army of not-quite-so-armored horse men.  I dismounted my lancers (not called that) in the woods and commanded from the very point of the disposition and managed a win against what seemed like big odds.  I have to say that I've never thought of Rome total War II as a very serious game -- I think it has to be played with a lot of childish glee -- but that's why I like it.  Same for World of Warships and War Thunder.  For serious games, I play boardgames.

The game being re-mastered is Rome Total War, not the sequel, if that alters your view on this news.

  I was confused before and now I'm even more confused.  I guess everybody should love it cuz Rome II was apparently bad because it wasn't enough like Rome Total Rome.  And I must admit, I can't see why anyone would want to issue a revised Rome Zero (One?) just because it was a good reason to hate Rome II.  Surely that ship has sailed long, long ago.  I'm just going to indulge in gratuitous negativity and suggest its really not just a bad idea, but a way overhyped bad idea.  At least boardgames have the virtue of not getting much hype.  So my altered view is all about my own confusion and inexcusable negativity.  Let that be a lesson to me!
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Post by: IICptMillerII on March 27, 2021, 09:51:37 PM
Silly me, I forgot that this is 2021, and that the world is in rapid decline. Thus, so is general reading comprehension.

Rome 2 bad. Rome 1 good. Rome 1 remaster much good. Very excite.
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Post by: Destraex on March 27, 2021, 10:03:06 PM
Meng. I thank you for your constructive negativity just then  :clap:
Can I ask if you play it for the tactical battles primarily?

   Good question.  For about the last two years I played it, I only played Rise of the Republic and mostly only to photograph tactical battles.  I do recall my favorite battle long ago, when I had a pretty good though small force of armored horsemen and faced a larger army of not-quite-so-armored horse men.  I dismounted my lancers (not called that) in the woods and commanded from the very point of the disposition and managed a win against what seemed like big odds.  I have to say that I've never thought of Rome total War II as a very serious game -- I think it has to be played with a lot of childish glee -- but that's why I like it.  Same for World of Warships and War Thunder.  For serious games, I play boardgames.
I actually thought of the old Total War games as the best computer simulation we had of ancient tactical battles. I looked forward to them getting even more simulation like with more and better understanding of ancient battles hopefully coming with it. Back then the only alternative was field of glory. Which was much more gamey. Move forward to rome2 and we actually had tactical battle mechanics removed instead of improved on and added to. Then their were the engine issues which made them turn off the amazing graphical detail that came with version 1 of rome2 because it killed peoples computers, thus we ended up with LOD problems that made that childish glee of watching the battles turn to watching flags bounce up and down as mobs of suddenly skinny bereft of all detail black ants wrapped around each other.
 This with a lot of campaign mechanics simply added to make sure you do not stay ahead for long.

As for tactical battles in board games. I don't know how these could be more serious? What does total war lack compared to board games? Apart from the turn based limitations?
Title: Re: Guys, there's a War Total Rome game coming! ...uh, Total Rome War. um...
Post by: Destraex on March 28, 2021, 01:26:14 AM
Another good video.
I must say I am impressed by the rome remastered features.
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Post by: Destraex on March 28, 2021, 03:39:31 AM
I just remembered another thing Rome2 stopped you from doing. Rome2 also stopped you from effectively managing your garrison forces.
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Post by: MengJiao on March 28, 2021, 05:29:37 AM
Silly me, I forgot that this is 2021, and that the world is in rapid decline. Thus, so is general reading comprehension.

Rome 2 bad. Rome 1 good. Rome 1 remaster much good. Very excite.

   I understand now.  I mean, now I understand.
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Post by: MengJiao on March 28, 2021, 05:48:36 AM
Meng. I thank you for your constructive negativity just then  :clap:
Can I ask if you play it for the tactical battles primarily?

   Good question.  For about the last two years I played it, I only played Rise of the Republic and mostly only to photograph tactical battles.  I do recall my favorite battle long ago, when I had a pretty good though small force of armored horsemen and faced a larger army of not-quite-so-armored horse men.  I dismounted my lancers (not called that) in the woods and commanded from the very point of the disposition and managed a win against what seemed like big odds.  I have to say that I've never thought of Rome total War II as a very serious game -- I think it has to be played with a lot of childish glee -- but that's why I like it.  Same for World of Warships and War Thunder.  For serious games, I play boardgames.
I actually thought of the old Total War games as the best computer simulation we had of ancient tactical battles. I looked forward to them getting even more simulation like with more and better understanding of ancient battles hopefully coming with it. Back then the only alternative was field of glory. Which was much more gamey. Move forward to rome2 and we actually had tactical battle mechanics removed instead of improved on and added to. Then their were the engine issues which made them turn off the amazing graphical detail that came with version 1 of rome2 because it killed peoples computers, thus we ended up with LOD problems that made that childish glee of watching the battles turn to watching flags bounce up and down as mobs of suddenly skinny bereft of all detail black ants wrapped around each other.
 This with a lot of campaign mechanics simply added to make sure you do not stay ahead for long.

As for tactical battles in board games. I don't know how these could be more serious? What does total war lack compared to board games? Apart from the turn based limitations?

  As usual, I never had any of the weird problems people are always happy to report.  I thought the Rome II battles worked fine.  I strongly suspect most of the supposed "problems" with Rome II were worked into the frenzy of internet hysteria that seems to be associated with the cottage industry of hating Rome II.
   I hope Rome Re-Zero-ed works fine for all its wanna-be fanbois.
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Post by: Destraex on March 28, 2021, 06:20:03 AM
Meng. Don't take it so hard. It's nothing against you if you like it and some of us do not.
You liked it and did not see what we did not like. You had none of the "supposed" problems some of us had. I have no problem with that.
I am not sitting at the other end on this keyboard hating you. I usually find your posts informative and enjoy your commentary. Peace man.   O0
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Post by: MengJiao on March 28, 2021, 06:28:31 AM
Meng. Don't take it so hard. It's nothing against you if you like it and some of us do not.
You liked it and did not see what we did not like. You had none of the "supposed" problems some of us had. I have no problem with that.
I am not sitting at the other end on this keyboard hating you. I usually find your posts informative and enjoy your commentary. Peace man.   O0

   Sure.  I'm trying to come to terms with my bewilderment.  Part of it is, I'm pretty much totally over total war altogether.  I'm not even going to mess with Troy total War.  I think my submycenean Dungeons and Dragons 5th edition campaign world will be more realistic.  So, I hope everybody has a fine time with Rome remastered and put my negativity down in the "admits he's confused, bewildered and actually not even interested in Total War these days" column.
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Post by: Jarhead0331 on March 28, 2021, 08:45:01 AM
Iíve always been a huge fan and defender of the series. I remember when the original shogun was announced and they released a demo. I loved the flavor and concept so much, I swore it might be the last game I ever play.

I stuck with the series ever since, and although my interest has fluctuated over the years depending upon the subject material, I still think, overall, Total War is one of the greatest strategy game series ever made. I will never understand the hate for any of the traditionally themed titles. For the most part, nobody else comes close to holding a candle to what total war accomplishes. Yeah, the quality of the AI has varied, and there isnít the utmost of adherence to historical accuracy, but that is not what total war has ever been about. Itís part of the reason why warhammer was such a good fit. Finally, the haters who complain about medieval or Roman armor being off by a few decades, or not having the appropriate sheen just had to STFU. I didnít play Britannia, I barely touched Attila and I didnít care for the Chinese title, but I still love the series and give credit where it is due.

Anyway, I havenít looked too closely at this remaster, but I loved Rome 1 and I loved Rome 2, so Iíll probably get this.
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Post by: MOS:96B2P on March 28, 2021, 09:48:57 AM
Another good video.
I must say I am impressed by the rome remastered features.


Good video.  This looks interesting.  I have Rome Total War II Emperor Edition but have not played it in a looong time.  I may give this remastered version a try.
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Post by: Gusington on March 28, 2021, 10:21:02 AM
Like JH, I have loved TW long time...it's one of my favorite series and I have played it since the original. I have slowed down a little in my TW consumption...for example I just got done with my first campaign of Thrones of Britannia (enjoyed it a lot even though  I got my ass kicked as Gwynned), and the Warhammer TW games have befuddled me a bit with tons of lore previously unknown to me. But I still enjoy the series. Next is Three Kingdoms TW. And once Troy TW comes to Steam I will get it.

Also there is a pre-order discount over @ Fanatical:

https://www.fanatical.com/en/game/total-war-rome-remastered?utm_source=Push&utm_medium=Push&utm_campaign=totalwarrome
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Post by: Gusington on March 28, 2021, 10:30:17 AM
That video above was very well done, thanks for posting Des.

And the teaser at the end about a possible Medieval 2 remaster...GIGGITY. Only thing better than that would be an announcement of Medieval 3.
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Post by: Toonces on March 28, 2021, 12:37:37 PM
I quite enjoyed Rome 1 but for some reason Rome 2 never resonated with me like the original, or M2TW.  I don't really notice most of the negatives of Rome 2 that the real fans of TW see.  It just got too...hard...for me.  I absolutely loathed the food system (I have since modded that out) and, personally, I never grooved on the city management aspect of any of the TW games.  I am a full-blown "auto-manage" guy for the cities.  Which isn't available in Rome 2, which meant I was forced to play city builder.  I just don't find that fun.

So I'm definitely excited to see what Rome 1 Expanded brings to the series.  I've bought Rome 1 a few times, physical twice and on Steam, so another $15 isn't a great burden.  I've long since shelved all of my physical games for digital copies.

With any luck this new Rome 1 will be well-received and lead to similar treatment of Medieval 2.  Now that prospect makes me very excited.  Loin moistened even.
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Post by: AchillesLastStand on March 28, 2021, 01:42:13 PM
Like JH, I have loved TW long time...it's one of my favorite series and I have played it since the original. I have slowed down a little in my TW consumption...for example I just got done with my first campaign of Thrones of Britannia (enjoyed it a lot even though  I got my ass kicked as Gwynned), and the Warhammer TW games have befuddled me a bit with tons of lore previously unknown to me. But I still enjoy the series. Next is Three Kingdoms TW. And once Troy TW comes to Steam I will get it.

Also there is a pre-order discount over @ Fanatical:

https://www.fanatical.com/en/game/total-war-rome-remastered?utm_source=Push&utm_medium=Push&utm_campaign=totalwarrome

Not the best discount but better than nothing. Will purchase it there then, Thank you!
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Post by: Gusington on March 28, 2021, 03:30:18 PM
^I thought the same...but picked it up. I'm weak! But at least I know I will play it as soon as I will get it.
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Post by: CJReich46 on March 28, 2021, 04:05:51 PM
Intrigued.

Price tag isn't bad either. Especially since you get Alexander AND Barbarian Invasion as well.

I just wonder if Ptolemy is going to be well...the goofy  look they had or did they fix that?  :hide:

I bought Rome TW back when I got my last PC, and it was a blast to play and MOD (I must have tried all kinds of mods for it from Arthurian Total War, to Europa Barbaroum,  Darth Mod, Roma Surrectum)

Yeah I might get it. If I can get the discount yeah, if not no worries.
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Post by: Crossroads on April 02, 2021, 07:13:09 AM
I have Rome Total War and Alexander (and Barbaric Invasion) as discs, two first ones at my Steam library, but of course I will purchase this. Roma Surrectum is and remains the game I have probably clocked the most hours, ever.

(Total War Empire, as second, likely. I never cared for the colonial side of it, just happy to blunder the Europe with my Swedes. I am one of those that did not much care for Rome II, mostly because of the battles just weren't the organized business as with the old engine. I do like my squares square. But that's just me. )

I did not preorder though, there was not yet a chance to enter the disc key or whatever for the 50% off, want to make sure I get it.

Edit: Sorted, the price changes as I took the first step to pay it.
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Post by: Gusington on April 02, 2021, 09:03:20 AM
You were able to enter your old disc keys and get a discount??
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Post by: Crossroads on April 02, 2021, 10:56:23 AM
You were able to enter your old disc keys and get a discount??
Somehow I thought as that's how it'd play. But no, I got the discount because I had the Rome Total War already at my Steam library, too. I bought it some time ago as it was selling next to nothing iirc.
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Post by: Oche on April 02, 2021, 11:39:17 AM
I'm in...if they decide do this for Medieval 2 TW as well i'm also for it.   :notworthy:  \m/  :clap:
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Post by: Gusington on April 02, 2021, 12:45:28 PM
^Hello stranger.

And thanks for posting Crossroads. I almost went into nerd rage - I'm annoyed enough that CA didn't set up a discount for old schoolers who have the discs.
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Post by: Toonces on April 02, 2021, 06:09:59 PM
Frequently you can activate a game on Steam by entering your hard copy code in the activate game tab.  I don't know if it will work with Rome 1.  You'll have to try it to find out.

Games --> Activate a game on Steam
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Post by: Crossroads on April 03, 2021, 12:24:55 PM
Frequently you can activate a game on Steam by entering your hard copy code in the activate game tab.  I don't know if it will work with Rome 1.  You'll have to try it to find out.

Games --> Activate a game on Steam

I honestly donít remember if I bought the Steam versions separately or activated them...
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Post by: Crossroads on April 03, 2021, 12:33:24 PM
Steam remembers, of course. I had bought RTW from a sale for some three bucks  :nerd:

Well. I had bought the RTW Collection which includes RTW and BI. I also have Alexander in my library, but have not purchased that one. Could it be that it was available via disc key at some stage...
Title: Re: Guys, there's a War Total Rome game coming! ...uh, Total Rome War. um...
Post by: Gusington on April 03, 2021, 01:04:38 PM
I've never activated anything on Steam from a disc and without reminding from Toonces, etc., I would never even remember that it's possible.

After hiking with the dog today and spring cleaning out the yard and deck, I suppose I could go traipsing around my basement looking for my original Rome TW disc, dig it out (eventually), activate it on Steam, cancel my pre-order with Fanatical and save 9.00.

But I'm beat and feeling lazy now...but...in the back of my head is something yelling '9.00 is 9.00!'

There's still time...:)
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Post by: W8taminute on April 05, 2021, 09:49:25 AM
Whoa I didn't know you could use the cd key from a physical copy to activate a game on Steam.  I know exactly where my old RTW cd is as I was just recently re-organizing my gaming desk drawers.  Gonna try this tonight when I get home.
Title: Re: Guys, there's a War Total Rome game coming! ...uh, Total Rome War. um...
Post by: Gusington on April 05, 2021, 10:01:56 AM
^Don't let me catch you in my basement.
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Post by: Sir Slash on April 05, 2021, 10:31:02 AM
 ;D  Hell No! That's where Hoffa ended-up isn't it?  :knuppel2:
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Post by: Gusington on April 05, 2021, 11:28:47 AM
^Far more ancient evils lurk down there, I assure you  >:D
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Post by: W8taminute on April 05, 2021, 11:30:43 AM
^Thanks for the heads up Gus.  I was planning on using your basement to stage my nefarious deeds but now I'll steer clear. 
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Post by: Toonces on April 05, 2021, 12:37:06 PM
Funny enough, I was checking this out on Steam again last night.  I'm all-in, day 1, no questions asked.

If it's as awesome as I expect it to be, meaning scratches my own personal itches, then I desperately hope M2TW gets the same treatment.  And I'll be all-in day 1 on that too.

Giggity!
Title: Re: Guys, there's a War Total Rome game coming! ...uh, Total Rome War. um...
Post by: Gusington on April 05, 2021, 01:09:29 PM
I do indeed think that remastering R:TW is a 'toe in the water' for M2:TW, probably their most beloved title. I just hope that doesn't preclude Total War: Medieval 3 from seeing the light of day.
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Post by: JasonPratt on April 05, 2021, 01:50:42 PM
If anything, scoring rebuy cash from remasters of RTW and M2TW should help capitalize on M3TW.  :bd:
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Post by: Toonces on April 05, 2021, 02:16:05 PM
I can't think of anything I particularly would want from a M3 that a remastered M2 wouldn't provide.  Some improved graphics, an implementation of some of the best of the modding community...that's all I really need.  Other than looking tired, and needing to mod it to open up all the factions etc., M2TW is a pretty perfect game IMO.

Put another way, there is little Rome 2 brought to the table, other than graphics and ship combat, that made me enjoy it more than Rome 1.
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Post by: Gusington on April 05, 2021, 03:37:08 PM
Only thing I would add is a late Medieval/Renaissance campaign, and maybe a similar mini campaign set in the late 14th-early 15th century, in italy.
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Post by: Toonces on April 05, 2021, 05:34:08 PM
But you don't really need a Medieval 3 to do that.  That would be like a Thrones of Britannia type DLC, right?
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Post by: Gusington on April 05, 2021, 06:43:03 PM
Pretty much yeah. The guys who put together the 1212AD mod are promising a ĎLate Eraí campaign, starting in 1327, which I would accept - it would just be on a much larger scale.

There was an Italian Wars mod for Medieval 2 years ago put together by a modder who eventually joined CA full time, but I never played it.

Italian factions like Milan, Genoa, the Papacy, Venice, Ragusa, etc. have always been some of my favorites to play in these games.
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Post by: Sir Slash on April 05, 2021, 08:42:14 PM
I'd love to go back and give RTW another spin but I'm not feeling the need to go that far back in gaming time. Too retro for me even with new non-clone faces.
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Post by: Destraex on April 06, 2021, 03:44:50 AM
I'd love to go back and give RTW another spin but I'm not feeling the need to go that far back in gaming time. Too retro for me even with new non-clone faces.
Newer total war games are even further back in time as far as I am concerned.
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Post by: Boggit on April 15, 2021, 11:20:23 PM
I'd love to go back and give RTW another spin but I'm not feeling the need to go that far back in gaming time. Too retro for me even with new non-clone faces.
Newer total war games are even further back in time as far as I am concerned.
Trouble is that there are so many good mods for the original Rome TW. I particularly like Europa Barbarorum and RTW Platinum, both of which are still attractive and very playable even now.

If I get this rehash of the original, apart from a glossier look, there doesn't really seem to be much significant substance to it over the original. I had hoped they'd have had more realistic shields and helmets for the Marian Romans, but it looks like I'm out of luck. At least from the pics I've seen the banded armour has gone as it didn't really appear until the mid 1st century. I wonder if it will be compatible with any of the old mods - I don't suppose so, but I'm curious.
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Post by: Boggit on April 15, 2021, 11:24:25 PM
I can't think of anything I particularly would want from a M3 that a remastered M2 wouldn't provide.  Some improved graphics, an implementation of some of the best of the modding community...that's all I really need.  Other than looking tired, and needing to mod it to open up all the factions etc., M2TW is a pretty perfect game IMO.

Put another way, there is little Rome 2 brought to the table, other than graphics and ship combat, that made me enjoy it more than Rome 1.
I love M2TW too. M3 would be improved with Rome 2 style ship combat, and improved graphics, but otherwise it's still very good, even now.
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Post by: AchillesLastStand on April 15, 2021, 11:58:26 PM


The game is going to have several quality of life improvements which is a big plus for me.
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Post by: Gusington on April 16, 2021, 07:15:03 AM
For 1:35 that shows an incredible amount of info - thanks for posting!
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Post by: Sir Slash on April 16, 2021, 09:17:59 AM
Not a fan of the, 'yellowish' look of the map. Looks like somebody threw-up mustard all over Italy. I hope that can be adjusted in the UI Options.
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Post by: AchillesLastStand on April 16, 2021, 11:22:46 AM
Not a fan of the, 'yellowish' look of the map. Looks like somebody threw-up mustard all over Italy. I hope that can be adjusted in the UI Options.

Well to be fair the game is going to have Steam workshop support, so hopefully this will be addressed via mods or reshade/sweetfx which am certain wasn't around in 2005.
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Post by: Crossroads on April 16, 2021, 01:32:16 PM
For 1:35 that shows an incredible amount of info - thanks for posting!
No sighting of the feared Naked Fanatics though  :timeout:
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Post by: Crossroads on April 16, 2021, 01:36:12 PM
I believe a few RTW and Rome II hours will be clocked this weekend. The announcement for Rome Remastered got me all excited for some reason  :dreamer:
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Post by: Gusington on April 16, 2021, 02:26:56 PM
If there are Naked Fanatics Slash will find them.
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Post by: Sir Slash on April 16, 2021, 09:13:12 PM
I thought I saw one today. But it turns out it was just me in the bathroom mirror getting out of the shower.  :hide:
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Post by: Crossroads on April 17, 2021, 12:41:03 AM
I thought I saw one today. But it turns out it was just me in the bathroom mirror getting out of the shower.  :hide:

Quote
Clad only in flimsy loincloths, the fanatics whip themselves into a frenzy by chanting, beating themselves and drinking heavily.

A regular Friday night at home watching [insert your favourite sport] then.
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Post by: AchillesLastStand on April 17, 2021, 10:56:24 PM
The game is advertised at coming in at a whopping 70 GBs.
Kinda hard for me to believe even with the additional 4K textures and such.
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Post by: Destraex on April 17, 2021, 11:31:41 PM
That IS really hard to believe.
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Post by: JasonPratt on April 18, 2021, 02:27:00 PM
I can kind of believe it, scaling up from what were basically 480p graphics (usually provided in 720 or better resolution).

My problem is that the graphics don't look all that much better than before. So what's all that extra detail going toward?
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Post by: solops on April 18, 2021, 05:06:38 PM
I can kind of believe it, scaling up from what were basically 480p graphics (usually provided in 720 or better resolution).

My problem is that the graphics don't look all that much better than before. So what's all that extra detail going toward?
Spyware?
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Post by: Boggit on April 22, 2021, 07:29:11 PM
I can kind of believe it, scaling up from what were basically 480p graphics (usually provided in 720 or better resolution).

My problem is that the graphics don't look all that much better than before. So what's all that extra detail going toward?
Pretty much my view.

If they had done a substantial overhaul using - and crediting the modders - ideas, extra territories and skins from Rome Total Realism, and Europa Barbarorum, then this would be an instant buy for me. I know they have unlocked previously locked factions, but these are really easy to unlock if you modify the strat_desc file in the Imperial Campaign folder - you can also modify the turn rate etc in that same file without much trouble to get seasonal turns too.
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Post by: Toonces on April 26, 2021, 08:16:22 PM
I went ahead and purchased this today.  I'm hoping it will pre-load so that when it's "released" it will already reside on my computer and I can dig right in.  My internet is the suck; if it's 70GB that's like a full day or more of downloading at Casa Toonces.
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Post by: Anguille on April 27, 2021, 03:10:45 AM
The game is advertised at coming in at a whopping 70 GBs.
Kinda hard for me to believe even with the additional 4K textures and such.
:o

I think there's also a new intro video for each faction in the game.
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Post by: Destraex on April 27, 2021, 05:03:17 PM
I went ahead and purchased this today.  I'm hoping it will pre-load so that when it's "released" it will already reside on my computer and I can dig right in.  My internet is the suck; if it's 70GB that's like a full day or more of downloading at Casa Toonces.

pre-load seems to be 24.2gig for me.
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Post by: Toonces on April 27, 2021, 05:39:55 PM
^ That's much more palatable.
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Post by: Boggit on April 27, 2021, 06:48:51 PM
I went ahead and purchased this today.  I'm hoping it will pre-load so that when it's "released" it will already reside on my computer and I can dig right in.  My internet is the suck; if it's 70GB that's like a full day or more of downloading at Casa Toonces.
So what do you think? Is it a major improvement?
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Post by: Gusington on April 27, 2021, 08:03:19 PM
^It will be fully released this coming Thursday, April 29.
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Post by: Pete Dero on April 28, 2021, 11:16:06 AM
https://www.ign.com/articles/total-war-rome-remastered-review

But in most other ways, it's simply fallen too far behind the times. Strategy games in general, and Total War specifically, have evolved so much in the last 18 years that going back to the original Rome can be deflating. The AI is one of the primary culprits.

https://www.pcgamer.com/total-war-rome-remastered-is-a-great-update-but-cant-compete-with-modern-strategy-games/

The result is a competent remaster and the best way to play this classic Total War, but it still can't compete with its modern heirs.

https://www.pcgamesn.com/total-war-rome-remastered/review

This remaster is really only for those who still enjoy the original game, and even then, itís only going to be worth the investment if the mod scene follows.
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Post by: Gusington on April 28, 2021, 11:26:43 AM
I've already pre-loaded.

The game.
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Post by: JasonPratt on April 28, 2021, 03:06:59 PM
^^ Phew, thanks for qualifying that particular information!  ^-^

At the risk of sounding snooty, while I don't entirely discount IGN and various generic gaming mags, I'll give more weight to dedicated military gamers. That said, neither do those results conflict with my expectations.

It was amazing (and still is, objectively speaking!) that the original game could be seriously modded so well, with all its problematic engine limitations. If this game just opens up the code to modding more easily, that will be worth something. (Though with epic mods in RTW2, I don't care yet.)

At the end of the day, this may be best considered as a financial investment toward developing MTW3.

But I'm not going to hold my breath on that, nor complain about its absence. Creative Assembly finally gave fans two things we had been asking for (myself included) for ages: Warhammer TW, and Three Kingdoms TW, in super-deluxe packages (and with more WTW on the way to finish out a full map trilogy). Along with what amounts to a deluxe remake of the British Isles campaign for MTW1. Regardless of how hit or miss those entries have been, the devs do have the fans in mind.  :smitten:
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Post by: Gusington on April 28, 2021, 05:09:55 PM
I still say that Thrones of Britannia is very underrated!
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Post by: ArizonaTank on April 29, 2021, 11:36:55 AM
Played it a little at lunch today...  I only put an hour into the game, so take this with a grain of salt.

I loved it when it first came out, and it was a first day buy for me back in the day.

But here in 2021, after having played Rome II for years, I'm sorry to say I'm not feeling love for this remaster...yet.

After playing today my first thought was: "Glad I got it with the previous owner discount."  I feel like all I bought was patch.

I thought the game was going to offer up all the factions, and previous expansions.  So far, it is only giving me the Imperial Rome campaign with three initial factions.  Guess I have to "unlock" the others. Maybe the expansions are in there somewhere and I just haven't found out how to get to them... or maybe its just 'silly me' for not reading the fine print.

Anyway, it is on the hard drive so I'll plug away some more...maybe it will grow on me.
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Post by: Gusington on April 29, 2021, 11:39:41 AM
^Me too. There was a pop-up that appeared when I first launched it that described how to unlock all the factions but it disappeared before I could read it.

I also cannot find the Alexander or Barbarian Invasion campaigns...hoping they unlock the same way.
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Post by: Gusington on April 29, 2021, 11:53:20 AM
Just relaunched it again and the Barbarian Invasion and Alexander campaigns are available on the game launcher screen, on the left hand side, where it says 'Select Game.' The original, BI and Alexander are listed there.
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Post by: Gusington on April 29, 2021, 11:59:25 AM
And upon further tinkering, factions can be unlocked on that same launch screen...top left row, forth button over is a gear labeled 'Advanced' and under there is a tick box to 'Unlock all base game factions.'

Mildly infuriating location to put this stuff but there it is.
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Post by: ArizonaTank on April 29, 2021, 09:44:49 PM
And upon further tinkering, factions can be unlocked on that same launch screen...top left row, forth button over is a gear labeled 'Advanced' and under there is a tick box to 'Unlock all base game factions.'

Mildly infuriating location to put this stuff but there it is.

Thanks, I see how to get to the factions and go to the expansions now.  You are right, "mildly irritating" and not intuitive...but oh well....
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Post by: Gusington on April 30, 2021, 06:54:11 AM
^You're welcome. Reviews on Steam are mixed at best but I think this is mostly due to unreasonably high expectations. It's a modernization not a complete overhaul.
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Post by: Boggit on April 30, 2021, 06:51:49 PM
I still say that Thrones of Britannia is very underrated!
I agree. I think it got an undeserved bad press. It has some awesome siege maps.
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Post by: Boggit on April 30, 2021, 06:53:24 PM
^You're welcome. Reviews on Steam are mixed at best but I think this is mostly due to unreasonably high expectations. It's a modernization not a complete overhaul.
I might get it after all. Just noticed a naval mod being worked on and a new ROME TOTAL REALISM mod in the works!!!!! :notworthy:
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Post by: Gusington on April 30, 2021, 07:14:54 PM
Naval mod, you say?
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Post by: Boggit on April 30, 2021, 08:03:45 PM
Naval mod, you say?
Indeed sir! ...

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Post by: Destraex on May 01, 2021, 12:04:04 AM
Nice try with that naval mod. Here is what I play when I feel the need:

(https://i.imgur.com/AgiSPJv.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/hnzT0OR.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/DfVj8qY.png)
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Post by: Gusington on May 01, 2021, 12:31:13 PM
Holy crap Boggit!

Iíll be starting a Scipii imperial campaign at some point this weekend.
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Post by: Boggit on May 01, 2021, 12:59:27 PM
Nice try with that naval mod. Here is what I play when I feel the need:

That looks interesting. Is it a Rome TW naval mod or another game? I'm intrigued. :)
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Post by: Boggit on May 01, 2021, 01:00:07 PM
Holy crap Boggit!

Iíll be starting a Scipii imperial campaign at some point this weekend.
Yes, I thought so too! O0
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Post by: JasonPratt on May 02, 2021, 11:53:08 AM
Nice try with that naval mod. Here is what I play when I feel the need:

That looks interesting. Is it a Rome TW naval mod or another game? I'm intrigued. :)

I think it's a Matrix/litherine game called Mare Nostrum? (Did they have two such games from different devs at around the same time?)

Okay, no, Mare Nostrvm (indeed published by Matrix, and yes with a Roman 'v' in the second word) is a strategy game (turn based I think?) of ships from the period. The other game is a simulation calllllllled.... crap, I can't get the name to come to mind, it's the name of this style of ship. Argh, one of my neurons is laughing at me right now, aaarrghhh! Can't get the name to come up.
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Post by: JasonPratt on May 02, 2021, 11:54:28 AM
Meanwhile, here's a nice reminder of what RTW does, with a (humorous) horse-archer campaign from The Spiffing Brit:

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Post by: JasonPratt on May 20, 2021, 09:52:04 AM
"The Terminator" has been doing videos on TW games along with other things for a while, and has not been overly impressed with RTWRemastered (on the contrary, it has inspired him to talk more about Divide Et Imperia for R2TW, and by the way a new version of that mod is coming! Which has gotten me interested in going back to DEI again...!)

Anyway, here's the first main update for RTWR, and his commentary on it:



The update is on a beta branch right now, so he also shows how to opt in for it early through Steam's overlay.
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Post by: Sir Slash on May 20, 2021, 10:19:43 AM
Yes, the DEI Team just released a big update and another one is in the works. Great to see such dedication to a mod that's, what, 5-6 years old?
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Post by: JasonPratt on May 21, 2021, 11:33:19 PM
Meanwhile, first overhaul mod for RTWR arrives!




Apparently the Rome Total Realism and Roma Insurrectum teams are joining up to combine their mods for this!
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Post by: Destraex on May 26, 2021, 04:16:51 PM
If there was a mod iíd want to play on remastered it would be europa baraborum. But to be honest I have only played 5 minutes of remastered.
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Post by: Gusington on May 26, 2021, 05:49:18 PM
I put in about 25 hours as the Scipii and enjoy it very much. Put it aside to start a slightly modded Rome 2 Empire Divided campaign as Palmyra which has been epic.

Want to start another Rome TW Remastered campaign as Numidia soon. That Jugurtha (Numidian King) had some serious swagger and nerve.
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Post by: JasonPratt on May 29, 2021, 06:52:22 PM
The mods are coming a little faster than I expected -- so if you preferred EuropaBarbo, I will not be surprised if it's on the way. Insurrectum and Total Realism teams are already combining for a supermod.

We had been theorizing earlier why Creative Assembly was bothering with this at all, since the remaster is pretty meh, aside from some cash generation. The current theory among fans is that this has been a rag tossed to those who prefer the historicals, since the next two games will be Warhammer3 and a remake of Three Kingdoms!

Yes, a remake. Yes, already. Yes, after only two years. No, the first game was a major hit. No, the game never actually reaches the classic Three Kingdoms period. No, there will be no further support or patches for it, the new 3K2 will completely replace it (as with Medieval 2 and Rome 2 for example.)


Some videos about the news:



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Post by: Destraex on May 29, 2021, 07:17:58 PM
This is why I have essentially bowed out of the total war franchise...
a) I have done total wars style of history with little change over so many games that I am burnt out on it.
b) I absolutely hate the modern marketing machines influence on the series. i.e. A focus on the campaign map and away from furthering any realism in the game. Instead to fantasy and stats crunching. Something ancient warfare was less influenced by than things like moral and tactics.
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Post by: JasonPratt on May 29, 2021, 08:57:46 PM
Yep, I can totally understand that. (Although mods help to a real extent with that.)

What I'll say in their defense (sort of) is this: for DECADES we had historicals for the game plots. (Sort of, {coughcoughflamingpigscoughswordsaintshackbattlefieldninjas}.) And sure we were all glad to have those (when they worked), BUT for decades fans were asking for two things: fantasy total war, and Rot3K total war (with or without some fantasy for proper 3K flavoring).

And they have finally, finally, at long last, delivered. And delivered big.

And sure, 3K was a broken buggy mess (not too surprisingly) at launch, which won't ever be fully fixed now (mods notwithstanding maybe, a la Empire), and sure the DLC plan was schizophrenic, but even so the gameplay stats prove the game was substantially a hit. They wouldn't be going back immediately to the 3K field if they hadn't made boocoos of cash (which is how we talk French in West TN. ;) )

So I don't begrudge them making profit on doing something the fans (myself included) have been wistfully begging for, for decades now. I'm genuinely glad 3K paid off for them -- and I say that as someone who hasn't even gotten around to buying a copy yet! (Which I now feel conflicted amounts of no regret about....  :hide: )

I would just like to see an actual balance being made going forward between the fantasy and semi-fantasy (exemplified by WH and 3K) on one hand, and the historicals on the other. Really, the original 3K plan to offer fantasy and also a purely historical campaign, looked a good compromise, although apparently not one that worked for some reason.
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Post by: Anguille on May 30, 2021, 12:12:04 AM
 Already a remake of 3Kingdoms? i don't have that game yet. I just can't keep up with their production speed.
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Post by: Steel Panthers on May 30, 2021, 08:39:16 AM
I think 3K will be my last total war game.
 
I am dead. The game really changed too much since early total war.
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Post by: Destraex on May 30, 2021, 04:27:16 PM
Jason total war is like close combat to me. They keep releasing them but donít ever improve on them. Think the tank spinning bug in close combat. The compromises for wall melee rather than a fix in total war. These gsmes hit a wall then move sideways for the next 50yrs rather than forwards. There are so many things they could improve in total war, but apart from removing features or adding fantasy elements, nothing really gets added. Itís flag battles in a fantasy setting. Heck they did not even get the remaster right. Itís better than the newer total war games but some players have gone back to the original. Although I cannot vouch for this personally as I just cannot be bothered playing it.
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Post by: Sir Slash on May 30, 2021, 09:20:41 PM
I've felt for a couple of years now that CA relies on the Modders to finish their games for them so to speak. Rome 2 was the first to make me feel like this. They hit their peak with Shogun 2 but have been in slow decline since.  :'(
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Post by: JasonPratt on May 30, 2021, 09:33:52 PM
Jason total war is like close combat to me. They keep releasing them but donít ever improve on them. Think the tank spinning bug in close combat. The compromises for wall melee rather than a fix in total war.

I don't think that's quite fair even for Close Combat (though much moreso there). The CA team does make improvements -- on occasion, sure, but demonstrably more often than CC! However, the improvements come with underbaked releases, as well as papering over longer-term problems (as in your example); so I do understand the frustration. Heck, I understand it so much that despite hoping for 3K between every release since M2TW, I still haven't bought 3K yet!  :buck2:

The fact that they're planning to remake 3K immediately (to be "closer to the novels" whatever that's supposed to mean compared to what they've done so far), while leaving serious bugs permanently unfinished in 3K, is.....  :pullhair: I just have no confidence in them anymore, and the fan backlash on the net has been shattering. I will not be surprised if CA (or maybe Sega) course corrects a week or two from now. But, neither will I be surprised if they don't.  :buck2:

I'm not going to say that I'll never buy a Total War game again -- there's a reasonably good chance WH3 will be up to par, and will fill out the grand campaign with more content in synching together as promised. Obviously this is because the design team dedicated to that project has been given more support than for 3K. But even then, I'm going to wait a few weeks to hear feedback on bugs, design gaffes, etc.

I've felt for a couple of years now that CA relies on the Modders to finish their games for them so to speak. Rome 2 was the first to make me feel like this. They hit their peak with Shogun 2 but have been in slow decline since.  :'(

And before that was Empire, which was only sort-of fixed by NappyTW being a glorified standalone full-cost patch inapplicable to the original campaign.

.....OH THAT'S what they're trying to do with 3K!  #:-) Duh! I should have seen that immediately.
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Post by: Destraex on May 31, 2021, 02:38:12 AM
Thanks for understanding. In the mean time I am enjoying the ultimate admiral\general games as stand ins.
Ideally I want a scourge of war that actually has a good UI with glorious graphics. But despite owning scourge of war napoleon I just cannot bring myself to load it up. So bad is the immersion. Trees are not even drawn at tiny distances the optimisation is so bad.
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Post by: Gusington on May 31, 2021, 07:59:36 AM
TW has been one of my favorite series since the original Shogun. That said, it took me a few days to recognize the colossal nerve the have in declaring 3K Ďdone.í And the backlash is even more colossal. It almost looks like they wanted to get peopleís attention by pissing everyone off. I wonder if that has been their plan since the very beginning?

I have bought fewer of their games at a slower pace in the last few years only because they are not immediately in my wheelhouse, like Warhammer, or not available on platforms I want to use (Epic with Troy)...so I guess I am less of a fanboy now than I have ever been.

I agree that the high point for CA was Shogun 2...but that was 10 years ago!
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Post by: Sir Slash on May 31, 2021, 08:51:42 AM
10 Years ago was kind of my High-Point too.  :-[
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Post by: Gusington on May 31, 2021, 12:24:11 PM
Increasingly thinking that for me too :/
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Post by: CapnKirk on June 01, 2021, 10:04:20 PM
This thread made me reinstall Shogun 2, I really want to dive into it more than I have.  After that the series has kinda lost me.

Ancient Rome/Egypt are my favorite subjects but RTWII just hasn't held my interest.  I'm not a huge fan of the way building works and the ant battles really kill the immersion for me.  Also the interface just doesn't seem intuitive and is cluttered.  It's not that I dislike every new feature or change, it just there's enough I don't like to make it not as enjoyable as the older titles.

I do have Troy and Warhammer, and I would like to take the time to try them.  I'd imagine they both have the ant battles though, and that just drives me nuts.

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Post by: Sir Slash on June 02, 2021, 10:03:13 AM
I've been resisting the Shogun 2 urge for some time now. It just can't be as good as I remember....can it?
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Post by: Gusington on June 02, 2021, 05:38:57 PM
^No, it's better!

I just installed the DEI mod for Rome 2 for the first time, finally going to play as the Seleucids.
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Post by: CapnKirk on June 02, 2021, 08:20:35 PM
It just can't be as good as I remember....can it?

Are we talking about games or relationships  :-"

I'm going to fire it up tonight.  The game, not a relationship.  The misses might frown upon that. 
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Post by: Sir Slash on June 02, 2021, 09:05:27 PM
Don't they ALWAYS? Games are safer anyway, and way cheaper than a divorce. Playing the Seleucids in DEI is very tough, everybody hates you. There's some great videos on YouTube covering various factions strengths and weaknesses in DEI with a list of their respective units available. And the DEI sight has a complete roster of every unit that can be recruited by faction. I could spend hours there lost in Hoplites and War Elephants.  :bd:
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Post by: Gusington on June 03, 2021, 11:37:30 AM
^I'm used to it.

DEI site you say? Gotta link?

It's either Seleucids in DEI next or Numidia in Rome TW Remastered next...not sure
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Post by: Destraex on June 03, 2021, 05:13:45 PM
This gent can be pretty salty. But he does a good job of explaining why my eyes don't like what they see in modern total war games. This kind of stat based gameplay is probably why I suspected their new total war engines are not fully 3D/physics based.